Ep 22: Basic Fasteners and Field Etiquette

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[00:00:35] Hosts Ron and Tom hello everyone and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast I’m Ron and I’m Tom.

[00:00:43] So today we’re going to talk about lots of stuff I would add a quick update about.

[00:00:54] Go on, you’re doing great, all right. Well, I brain farted, that’s all right, you go. So, yeah, well, we mentioned in the last episode that we picked up a couple planes out of a dumpster and I don’t think we mentioned what they were, so I’ll go ahead and let everyone know, yeah, instead of keeping them in the in the dark like it’s some great secret. They were linear shrikes, the 10 and the 40 size, one of each. So if you’re out there on the interwebs you can look them up and see what they look like. They’re kind of a cool racer wing plane with a

[00:01:26] Just a couple of vertical tails and no horizontal stab very fast airplanes these airplanes had.

[00:01:33] Engines on them which was kind of cool they’re both gonna need some work I think probably some.

[00:01:37] Bearings. But look like it. Yeah, I mean, they come out of a dumpster. So what do you expect? It’s? Who knows how long they were in the dumpster- well, you never really know. Could have been rained on, could have been rained on- it’s been a while since we’ve had rain here- but it could have been rained on. Maybe a light mist dumps, maybe, maybe, certainly maybe do.

[00:01:58] Yeah, so the original plan was going to be: I was going to take one of those and Tom was going to take the other. I think he’s changed his mind once people: no, no, I’m we’re gonna. You can if you want. No, no, we’re gonna, we’re gonna fly them together. I think that’d be fun.

[00:02:12] Kind of like the Telemaster. We kind of resurrected that one. If we can resurrect these things, I think that’ll be, yeah, fun project. Yeah, I like dumpster planes, yeah, and I like working on engines and they’re gonna need work. So both of them wonderful. So they, that satisfies the itch.

[00:02:26] For me to tinker with something. So, yeah, awesome. The other thing I wanted to bring up: last week we talked about the, the, the cover right covering iron that I that I bought off of that guy. So I did end up checking the differences in and how accurate it ends up being versus the hanger nine one I have okay. So when I, when I put the little the thermometer on the 21st century one, it would stay just pegged right at 300. I mean it might move like a degree either way. But right when you said

[00:02:59] It’ll take some time for that spring that steel spring to register a change right temperature.

[00:03:04] But yeah, but it was not. I mean, there was no, no movement in it, like I said, barely, but not anything big, okay, so I did the same thing on the hanger nine. There was well, first off, guess how much of.

[00:03:19] A swing, do you think, in temperature? Oh gosh, if I had to guess, let’s say, if you had it set to 200, let’s say, I would estimate that there’d probably be a maybe a 10 to 15 degree swing. Way off, first off you.

[00:03:33] Can’t set that to an actual degree like I said it’s one well right so I just if you were.

[00:03:39] Trying to maintain 200 degrees I would say it would be plus or minus 15 either way so that got a little.

[00:03:46] Bit closer. Okay, I actually had a difference of 40 degrees from with that thermometer, from when the lowest temperature was 40 degrees to when the highest temperature was. So and you would hear it. You’d hear the thermostat click on, yep, and obviously once it clicked off, it still, it still rose five or six degrees on that scale. And yeah, sure enough, 40 degree difference if you’re working.

[00:04:12] With hanger nine ultra coat. That’s a huge. 40 Degrees is a huge difference because there’s only like a- I think it’s a 25 to 30 degree difference between adhesive activation and shrink activation, what I mean, or onset. So yeah, that makes that. That could make for a difficult.

[00:04:29] Covering job and the other thing I like a lot better about it too. I always watched when you were covering with yours how you could easily get in, like these little nooks and crannies and stuff.

[00:04:38] With it I never because of the shape of because of the shape of it right I never thought that much.

[00:04:42] About it until using this one, as opposed to the one that I had before. Huge difference just in the shape of it, right, and it works so much better, yeah, so, yeah, I’m very happy with. And the teflon coating is nice too. Yeah, well, I think the other one has teflon also. Oh, the hanger nine does I usually use the socks on them, though? Yeah, I do too. Better too. Socks are a lot easier to clean and they don’t scratch the surface and you can just throw them away when you’re done. That too, I mean, that’s what I did, and I don’t even know. I’m sure you can still buy those, but I ended up buying a whole bunch of

[00:05:15] Them from the hobby shop when they were on sale I think they’re like 99 cents a sock yeah I think.

[00:05:21] It used to be, you could buy them in bulk, like I think it was a bag of maybe 10 or 20, oh really, but I, I think those days are long gone because, well, not a lot of us builders left.

[00:05:35] Out there these days. Well, when I bought- I mean they were individual when I bought them, right. So well, yeah, if they were 99 cents, that’s. That’s, use one of those on a covering job you.

[00:05:45] Saved potentially an entire covering job for 99 cents. Yeah, because it’s true, like if you have sanding dust on there or whatever, it will scratch that. The monocoat and the ultra coat- yeah, I’ve seen that happen before. So, speaking of covering materials, I have not had a chance to use the cheapo coat, but I plan on doing that before next weekend and I will have a full report on.

[00:06:08] How good or bad that stuff may be yeah I want to know because I think I’m probably gonna order.

[00:06:14] Some yeah it would certainly it would certainly assist the cost factor of recovering this giant.

[00:06:22] Enormous yak of years. Yeah, I would like to get that done. I don’t know if it’ll happen or not, but I think I’d like to fly that this year. I mean, that’s- I know that’s a- that’s a lot to ask, but

[00:06:33] We’ll see. I mean, it all depends how. We have some other projects we need to finish up, or I have some other projects I need to finish up before I can devote any kind of time to helping you with the yak. But

[00:06:44] I mean you understand that so no I don’t that makes no sense to me I come first right.

[00:06:52] Ron’s projects. You heard it, folks: Ron’s projects come first. You never have time for my projects. You’re always working on somebody else’s projects. Tell me I’m wrong. I’m not gonna say you’re wrong.

[00:07:03] Yeah -huh every time you go out to the field somebody hands you something fix this do this well.

[00:07:07] That’s not exactly true, like not every time. Okay, when I go out there and it’s just you and I, true, okay, you’re right. If there’s anybody else out there though, well, that’s, it’s big, I mean, and I don’t, I don’t dislike it, I don’t want anybody to get the wrong impression. Yeah, I do enjoy helping fellow modelers. Yeah, it does make me, it does give me some satisfaction to help somebody with.

[00:07:31] Their engine or whatever. Speaking of helping somebody, last time we were out there I saw you. You set one of our friends up and finished the setup on his what. What scale is that? 30 Percent?

[00:07:44] You’re talking about the, the sboc. Yeah, that is a 37 percent 30 really. Yeah, it’s an odd percentage. It’s 105 or 107 inches the wing. Oh, okay, it’s an odd. Yeah, I guess I didn’t realize those planes were so like. If you look at small, then yeah. If you look at pilot, oh yeah, the real planes are.

[00:08:05] Not big at all. I mean, I knew, like the yak and stuff, originally one full-size plane, right I, I the model or the one they’re modeled after, right, I knew like the yak because it’s technically a 42 percent if you do the actual math, but I guess I didn’t realize that one was that high percentage wise. Yeah, those, because the yak is 126 inch on the wingspan right and I between that, so that one has 170 cc, the da 170 on it, whereas his, I think- what did you say? It was a 111, 11, 11, dle, yep.

[00:08:39] So I okay I just I didn’t realize it was going to be that pilot percentage wise so it’s a pilot sboc is.

[00:08:45] What we’re talking about. They make that sboc or they did make that sboc and I want to say there was five different sizes you could buy and this one, the one that he has, the 37 percent I think, is it’s either 37 or 34. I it’s an odd, it’s a weird number. Yeah was only their second biggest one. Their biggest one, I believe, was 42 percent. I thought they had a 50 percent because I thought the original

[00:09:10] One was a 50 it’s been a while since I’ve looked on that so they may but yeah I did I helped him.

[00:09:17] Get his setup got it bound up to his transmitter what are you laughing at nothing just santa was.

[00:09:24] What I was thinking of, but anyway, no, no, no, and that’s why I remember it was because I think that big one he was looking at for the plane and for the, the transmitter and stuff he wanted was about. It was about 10 grand from what he was what he was asking for, but no, and I- I pretty much- I think that was 50 percent- was the biggest. On that I could be wrong, though, but yeah, but, but at any rate, yeah, the gorgeous airplane though I mean it really is. He did, he did a good job. He’d never flown it by himself before that day, so it was good to see. I, I understand the nerves, oh sure I.

[00:09:59] Really do but he did a good job flying all by himself sure he did it twice even yeah.

[00:10:06] He had two successful flights, his first time flying it solo both times. Yeah, I wasn’t there for that one, but yeah, he did very well. So yeah, he’s got it all. It’s all bound up to his transmitter. Now a little backstory. I- I put this plane together for him. It’s been about six years ago now. Time flies. Yeah, he lives in a spot that’s hard to get it in and out, of, so it’s not easy for him to get it to the field. So that plays a role in how often it gets flyed or flown. Excuse me, plays a role in how often it gets flown also, but he also has a ton of airplanes.

[00:10:41] So he does. He could fly a different one every weekend and take him a couple years to get through them all, but that’s okay. He does have a lot of airplanes, but anyway, yeah, so yeah, I was able.

[00:10:53] To help him out this weekend and get that set up for him and now it’s all on him yep it’s.

[00:10:59] All his now he’s there for anything you’re finished with it you’ve you’ve washed your hands of it.

[00:11:05] And you’re done yeah I mean hopefully I’ll get to fly it again because it does fly I mean it flies.

[00:11:10] Very nice yeah the big ones always fly that’s true so easy and we say that all the time but it’s.

[00:11:16] Absolutely true the bigger they are the better they fly but the harder they fall and that’s the.

[00:11:21] Part that makes it difficult. Yeah, that’s true. So, yeah, but I understand that’s. Yeah, like I said, that’s the scary part about the yak and why I don’t fly it often and yeah, but after seeing him fly that one and it kind of gets you, gets you wanting to get back into it when you have your.

[00:11:38] Own big one. Sure, yeah, they are fun to fly and the one my big one is nowhere near as big as his or yours, but yeah, it kind of stirred, if you will, the, the urge, if you will, to go fly my big one. So now I need to figure out how to, how to transport it in my car. Yeah, that’s the hardest part, but you’ll finish the suburban. I still don’t know why you sold it. Well, anyway, go buy.

[00:12:04] Another one I could, I could. I guess you should just have an airplane vehicle. Yep, that’d be perfect. So, yeah, one of the other things I wanted to bring up. So last time you were out, we were working on stuff and you kept asking me for screws and I had to pretty much say I don’t have that. So fasteners, yeah, what makes a good overall- not necessarily kit, but what makes a good overall collection? Sure, what should I be getting to have on hand? So when I need to use something, I will

[00:12:40] Have right everything I need here, right? Well, I mean, probably depends on how often you’re going to be building airplanes, or rebuilding or working on airplanes, let’s say fairly often. Well, let’s just, I’ll go over what I have in my shop, what I, what I keep or I try to keep on hand. So we’ll start with hardware. Well, let’s go ahead and define it. It’s, it’s nuts, bolts, screws, that sort of fastener. And then for my definition of hardware, when it comes to rc,

[00:13:15] Planes. There’s the other stuff that’s required also, like control horns and clevices and threaded rod and all that sort of stuff. So I’ll start with. I’ll start with the nuts and bolts. I like to keep a quantity. That quantity is different for everybody. I don’t like to be out of something, especially now that we don’t have a hobby shop locally. So running out of hardware is can be a really frustrating experience, especially if it’s an odd size that you can’t just go to lowe’s or menards or, in our case, big r tractor supply company. These types of places.

[00:13:50] Yeah, you have saved me a couple times when I’ve needed something special, you’ve had it. I haven’t right. And yeah, because I’ve looked at like menards and stuff before and you can’t get the 440, you can’t get the 256, they just don’t carry it. And then the other thing too, when you go to a hobby shop, like I don’t remember what size I was looking at. Last time we went to a hobby shop it was two screws for like a dollar 25, right, I, yeah, I, I want to load up and buy 100 or 200 at a time, as opposed to that, because I remember like when I bought, I bought a whole pack of a bunch of

[00:14:21] Different sizes of the servo screws, like the threaded ones, for that right, and that was like I want to say. I bought, oh, I want to say it was about 800 screws or so and it couldn’t have been more.

[00:14:32] Than 15 bucks, right, I mean, you always get a better deal when you buy them in quantity. Right, and before I go any further, if you want to buy hardware in quantity, there’s two places that I recommend going to. It’s rtl fasteners, which I think that- yeah, that’s who I bought from, but I bought.

[00:14:49] From I bought them through ebay but it was supplied by them and then I like the website fastenexpress.Com.

[00:14:55] I believe it’s fastener hyphen, expresscom, okay, and they sell, I mean, just any kind of fastener that you can imagine and they sell it in bulk type quantities, like quantities of 25 or 50 or 100. So I’ve also purchased through mcmaster car before. Yeah, I’m familiar. I buy a lot of like tooling. Yeah, for when I’m a machine. I used to be a machinist also, so I would buy tooling through there. But I’ve I found that their hardware is a little on the expensive side when

[00:15:27] Comparing to the other types of places. Okay. So anyway, yeah, in your, in your stash of hardware, you’ll want a quantity, whatever that quantity means to you, how, and the quantity is it’s, in my case, determined by how easy it is to get. Like, if I, if I’m, if I’m down to my last five, 440 by 3, 8 socket head cap screws, I, I know that it’s time to get some more in here and I can order some from fastener express and I can get them in a week or whatever. So I don’t really need more than 30 or 40 of those because I know I can get them.

[00:16:04] Relatively quickly. So quantity is defined by, in my opinion, how easy it is to restock it. So you’re going to want some 256 and you’re going to want some 440, probably going to want fewer quantities of 632, 832 and 1032 machine bolts and I myself I like socket head type bolts because they’re a lot easier to use. Yeah, and that’s an allen wrench and if you’re not familiar, or a ball ended allen wrench like the bondus stuff and I think gray plane sells a set and dubro sells a.

[00:16:36] Set of those wrenches as well, which we’ll cover in our tool episode someday. But I like to have quantities of those handy, especially the 440 and the 632, because 440 you can use for I mean lots of stuff: engine mounts, mounting engines. To the engine mounts, larger engines, I’ll step it up to 632, and then the, the associated blind nuts that go with those. 440, 632, 832, A little bit bigger. Maybe I don’t need the blind nuts. I can back those up with washers to fit those to.

[00:17:09] Fit those screws and I keep large quantities of washers because use washers for lots of stuff yeah.

[00:17:14] And 632 and 832. You can usually start getting those like at your hardware store exactly, which is why you don’t need maybe as many of those on hand, but they are a little bit more expensive.

[00:17:24] At a hardware store than if you buy them online, right? Yeah, so those are the sizes I like to keep quantity quantities of on hand. And then, like I said, washers and I like self-locking nuts myself. They don’t vibrate loose, but you can certainly use standard non-locking hex nuts to use as jam nuts or whatever. So that’s what I what I keep in quantity. And then also, like I mentioned, stuff like control horns and clevises. I like plastic and steel.

[00:17:59] Clevises. Sullivan makes really, really great quality hardware and so does dubro, in both plastic and steel. So I’ll keep quantities of those 256 threaded clevises. I like those, and I’m talking all sae stuff here. Now there’s metric stuff out there too. The metric stuff the, the bolts and nuts are. You can get those in quantities just as easily as you can the sae stuff. But when it comes to the hardware like clevises and threaded rods, stuff like that, it’s a little bit more difficult to navigate the different sizes when you want to buy those in quantity. So

[00:18:34] Myself, I just stick with sae stuff and if the hardware that comes in an ARF or whatever is junk, then I know I can replace it all with sae stuff and know that I can have the stuff I need in my shop to do that. What would make it junk? Well, so you can usually tell it’s junk, like if, for instance, a, let’s say, a push rod in an ARF. If you can take it and bend it with two fingers, that’s junk. I mean, you don’t want that in your airplane because it’s going to flex, it’s going to vibrate, it’s going to, it’s not going to perform as, as well as something that’s nice and solid. It doesn’t have to.

[00:19:09] Be tempered steel or anything like that. But yeah, I mean, that makes junk. And then also- I’ve seen this in arfs too- I’ve seen clevises that won’t snap together. Yeah, I have seen, and they and they expect you to depend on that piece of fuel tubing wrapped around it to hold that clevis closed. Yeah, I don’t like that. I want my clevis to snap closed and then use the tubing as kind of a backup, not as the primary source, to keep that thing on the control horn. Yeah, so that to me is junk hardware. Okay, and then I’ll.

[00:19:41] Replace that with my quality stuff that I got from dubro or great plains or sullivan. What have you? So control horns? And then another item that I seem to frequently be looking for in my shop is wheel collars. Ah yeah, because I use wheel collars. I’ve used them for lots of different things: obviously to hold wheels on an axle, but also, for instance, like if you’re using, if you’re, if you’ve got a tricycle airplane with a nose gear, that nose gear is held in the bearing by.

[00:20:12] Wheel collars, yeah, what I mean. So various different sizes of wheel collars. I keep 16th inch, 532, eighth inch and I keep 3 16ths. I try to keep those on the end, okay. So because you never know when you’re gonna need a wheel collar for something. And they also make like if you have a needle valve on an engine that’s maybe got a hole in the end of the needle valve with a set screw- really easy to stick a piece of 16th inch wire in there and then put a wheel collar on the end of it. Now you got a handy little handle to turn the needle that you can get outside the cowl, if that I’m not following.

[00:20:47] Sorry. So, like on a lot of os engines, I think sato 2, the end of the high speed needle valve is drilled. There’s a hole, okay, and then there’s a set screw and then you can stick a piece of rod in there and get that thing to sit outside the cowl and then you can put a little wheel collar on it to give you a handy little handle to turn it with. I gotcha another use for a wheel collar: yeah, so okay, and this kind of goes with radios. But I like to keep a lot of servo horns in my, in my parts supply also. Yeah, and me personally, I like the dubro heavy duty ones. So how many different sizes?

[00:21:22] Are there of servo horns like I mean the actual part that mounts to the servo yeah the splined.

[00:21:30] Part. Yeah, lots okay. So yeah, and dubro does a really good job- and I think there’s another company- I’ll just escaped me, but a google search will find it. Dubro does a pretty good job of producing servo horns that fit most. I’m gonna say all with the caveat here. In a second, brands of servo splines like futaba, aertronics and gr used to be like the three main ones, and then now these other companies.

[00:22:02] Like fms and fr sky and tower pro and all these other kind of manufacturers hobby king has that are, and I think they’re sold under five or six different names. So these are copies of branded servos, right? So dubro does a pretty good job of catching the three big ones which will also fit by trial and error, usually an off-branded one. So I keep the dubro heavy duty ones and then I keep a stash of their micro servo horns, also for the small servos, because there’s two. So there’s basically.

[00:22:39] Two output shaft sizes, like diameters different, yeah, with different spline counts. Yeah, because there’s the micro size and then there’s, like, the standard size. Well, so what I came across, I was.

[00:22:50] Trying to put some servos in the wings of this cavalier, and I have some really nice servo horns that are big enough to do what I want them to do, but the actual the output shaft- the output shaft of the servo right, yeah- is too big to fit inside of that servo horn. So- and it’s weird to me though, because the servo horns are huge, I mean like it would have come off like a bigger type of

[00:23:13] Airplane or bigger something you can. You’d be surprised at how big a servo horn you can get in the micro output shaft size, whatever. Oh, that’s not micro size, though it’s, it’s the full. I mean, like it’s a regular size servo, right, but the servo horn is too small to fit over the output shaft, right. So it’s a micro sized horn, but it’s big, is what you’re saying. Well, I guess I don’t know the difference.

[00:23:37] In the micro size, because I assume you were talking about like the micro size that would work on like the five gram servos. Yes, it’s bigger than that. Oh, so it’s in between. Yeah, okay, so maybe.

[00:23:47] There’s three different sizes of output. I thought there was like the micro size, like for the nine gram servos and servos like that, and then there was like the standard diameter ish size of the other types of servos. But maybe there, maybe there is one in between. Is it possible? Are you sure it’s not the? The spline count is just not letting it fit over the servo. Yeah, you’re sure of that? Yeah, I can.

[00:24:10] Get it right now and show you if you want you don’t I believe you but maybe there’s maybe there’s more.

[00:24:14] Than just a couple that I was thinking that were well are there different splines depending on what.

[00:24:19] Kind of servo you’re using as in like servos for rc cars are those different than the airplane ones or.

[00:24:25] The servos themselves. Yeah, so servos that are designed to be used with rc cars have a componentry in them that is- for lack of a better word- shock proof- a little more impervious to vibration and shock, especially on a steering servo. Even though we use servo saver, or even though we used to use servo savers on the servos, yeah, or some sort of a servo saver mechanism in the steering of the vehicle, they still take a pretty severe amount of shock. Yeah, because you’re driving along and

[00:25:00] You hit a rock or whatever and that’s still a shock to the gear train and the electronics of the servo, so they’re designed to handle that, whereas they’d be different sizes, no, like on the output shaft, no, okay. Well then I don’t know. Yeah, because I can take. You could take a kimbro servo saver that’s designed to work with a futaba steering servo in your car and it’ll fit a standard futaba airplane servo. Okay, the shaft diameter and spline count are the same, okay, on futaba, on jr on or so on and so

[00:25:32] Forth. So futaba, at least across the futaba and spectrum, which is jr, across the brand, they standardize it, but they don’t standardize it across the hobby, unfortunately. Some more standardization.

[00:25:45] That would be nice, but right, we’re not going to get yeah, which is okay, it is what it is. I mean, everybody has their favorite right: ford, chevy, dodge, whatever. That’s true, I’m saying.

[00:25:54] Yeah, I have volley on that one. So anyway, I like to keep a stash of servo horns to fit my quantity of servos also that I like to keep on hand mostly I like. Well, it doesn’t matter what I like, it is, have some servo horns to fit your servos. And, like I said, I like the heavy duty dubro ones. They are really well made. They’re. They’re glass, reinforced plastic, oh, reinforced glass fiber like frp or something, right, yeah, so they’re really, really durable and

[00:26:29] Because of what they’re made of, you can actually tap the hole and put like a threaded ball in there like a dubro ball link, and then back it up with a nut and it’s really, really secure. That’s what I like about those. Oh, that is handy, yeah. So, and then things like dubro makes a and gray planes. Most of the hardware manufacturers make a item called an easy connector or a quick connector, which is basically what I’m talking about. It snaps into the hole on the servo arm and has a

[00:26:59] Nut that gets pushed on the back side of it and then you has a set screw and you run a rod in there.

[00:27:03] And run the set screw down. Yeah, I’m not a fan of those, I don’t like them myself. But if you are into those, you might want to keep a quantity of those as well to assist your servo hookups. And then, like I said earlier, 256 threaded rod and 440 thread rod to actually terminate the end of your push rods where you’re going to thread on your clevis. Yeah, last time we went to the hobby shop we got a heck.

[00:27:28] Of a deal on a bunch of those I think they had yeah five packs of I think it was 10 inch rod.

[00:27:32] With the clevis for a dollar. Yeah, carl goldberg, these are yeah been out of production for a while, but I mean the stuff doesn’t go bad. Yeah, they’re still quality stuff.

[00:27:43] For a dollar per bag. We bought every bag. They had, everything they had, so we’re set for quite a while on those, yeah, although I’ve already gone through a couple of them. So yeah, and I will too on this.

[00:27:53] Thing that I’m putting together now I’ll use some of mine as well so yeah they won’t they won’t.

[00:27:58] Last as long as you expect I guess but we did buy a bunch yeah and the nice thing about those is if.

[00:28:03] You don’t use the threaded end, or if you use the threaded end and you have a quantity of the rod steel rod left, it’s very easy to put a z-bend in one end of that and then use an easy connector on the other end. There you gotta. You’ve gotten two push rods out of one.

[00:28:17] Yeah, especially if you’re doing like a small, like foamy, profile foamy or something like that, to where you don’t have to worry about right a really strong connection or anything that’s too important. And if I could make a recommendation, if, if you will allow it, okay, if you use easy.

[00:28:34] Connectors or the or these types of set screw connectors do me a favor do us all a favor.

[00:28:40] And use when you use them, use a clevis on the other end so that you can on the end where the easy connector, the wire goes through the easy connector and then the set screw clamps down on the wire, file a flat spot on that wire where the set screw bears down and then do your adjusting on the clevis end. That is a much, I feel, much better about that connection than just running the wire in there, running the set screw down and calling it good. That flat spot adds a little extra measure of.

[00:29:12] Security. Well, so what I have done before- and I actually ended up changing them all out because it didn’t work right- I’ve over tightened those, the, the ball, or the, the easy connector, and it’s easy to do. It is because they’re only made of brass usually. Well, but then it bent this, the, the control horn, or not the control horn, the, the rod, and so then when I needed to adjust it, because I just had a z bend on the other side, you couldn’t adjust it. Oh, I see what you’re saying. It was not. You could take that screw completely out, and it was. It was deformed so much.

[00:29:44] That you couldn’t get that to move. So even if you have a z bend on the other end, making the other end not adjustable, if you file a long flat spot, at least that gives that set screw much more area to grab onto more purchase to hold that connection secure than just running it down on a

[00:30:00] Round rod. What I’m, yeah, I understand. I mean, I know the end of those set screws are. It’s not just a normal type set screw, it really it does have something that kind of eats into it some of them.

[00:30:10] Are knurled on the end -huh, but like the great plains ones, those are just 440 bolts. Just oh, really plain old. Yeah, they’re really short, I think they’re eighth inch, yeah, but they’re just, yeah, they’re.

[00:30:21] Not knurled or anything they just they just go down and clamp on it and you hope it’s your fingers.

[00:30:27] Yeah just do me a favor and file a flat spot on the rod where that set screw goes down.

[00:30:31] It’ll make me very happy. Well, you, you’ve pretty much told me you don’t like set screws, so I think I’ve I’ve switched over to doing the z bend on the end that goes into the control horn. Now I will say that’s how I like to do it. So and it’s easy enough to do it that way, because then that still gives you that adjustment with the thread rod on the end with the clevis.

[00:30:52] Now I will say that I’ve, I’ve to. To my recollection, I have only ever seen one of those fail once. Which one? The easy connector really, and when I say fail I mean the rod slide in the and change its position. Yeah, even though the set screw was tight. I’ve only seen that fail once. But

[00:31:13] That was enough for me. Yeah, and I’ve done a lot of them with those, and once again, especially on smaller planes where it’s not right using a lot of pressure, like our little foamy is the sandpiper? Yeah, fine, it’s. You can get enough clamping pressure on that. It’s not going to go anywhere. And

[00:31:28] We’re not putting that much flight load on those well I don’t know or are we I don’t know not nearly.

[00:31:33] As much as on a bigger plane, right. So, yeah, I, I understand, I wouldn’t use it on something to where I’m I’m really concerned about how much pressure is on it, right so that’s.

[00:31:44] What I like to keep in my, in my shop on hand so that I don’t run out of, and if I think of anything else, I’ll I’ll update it on the next episode. Yeah, I need to. I’ll have to get online.

[00:31:56] And do some research and get an order together so I have a bunch of stuff here I can help you spend.

[00:32:01] That your money it’s always easy to spend somebody else’s money right I can give you a very nice list.

[00:32:06] Of stuff you should have yeah well maybe we should do that way I do have stuff on hand and if.

[00:32:11] You’re listening do me a favor don’t buy flathead hardware oh my goodness okay so that’s a dig at me.

[00:32:20] Well, the only reason I used that flathead hardware is because that’s what I had. Yeah, I didn’t have it worked. Well it did. Oh my, from listening to you whine and complain about it, you would have thought the world was ending. I mean, there was. You didn’t have a dry eye. I may have complained a little, a lot, but yeah, it did its job. Actually, it’s still doing its job, I think that’s.

[00:32:44] The engine is still on the airplane. We’re talking about the Telemaster mounting, the fourth engine on the which we have yet to run. We will, we will, but yeah, so I will fly it eventually one of these days.

[00:32:55] But, yeah, the only thing I had was the, the slotted screws, the old style, and I think they were honestly those have got to be probably 30 or 40 years old because they’re very shiny. Well, they came from. I think those are ones that came from a whole bunch of stuff my grandpa had before he died, okay, and he died in 1992, so 91 or 92, I think it was 92. So, yeah, that’s where those came, but they

[00:33:23] Work so I shouldn’t complain but boy do I but willie despise flathead hardware well I’ll I’ll be.

[00:33:31] Honest, like with the, the socket head screws that I bought for the, the servo screws. Yeah, it’s so much easier, aren’t those nice? They really are. Yeah, you don’t have to worry about it slipping out of the, the screw head. You don’t have to worry about any of the beauty of those is you can use either a.

[00:33:48] Two millimeter wrench, or you can use a 564 wrench- oh I didn’t know either- or, yeah, I just have the two millimeter. Fits them really nice, awesome, which I like, yeah, so yeah, well, good, so I’ll, I’ll, I’ll get my list together and get something ordered right on. So, yeah, that’s that pretty much covers, I think, what I, what I keep in my sash and if I like I said, if I think of anything else, I’ll update it on.

[00:34:12] The next episode. Okay, so the only other thing I think you wanted to cover, it’s due and I don’t know if there’s a reason behind this or something happened, but field etiquette, yeah, so it’s. So we’ve.

[00:34:27] We’ve been talking about flying and getting newcomers into the hobby and things like that, and we haven’t really talked at all about what to do at the club field. If you’re going to join a club and then you’re going to hopefully fly at a club field, okay, I understand.

[00:34:43] Where you’re going now. I thought it was more like something happened at the field that I wasn’t aware of and you were going to complain about. No, no, no, I’m not. I’m not going to complain at all, okay, I’m just.

[00:34:51] Going to go over some stuff that, as a newcomer to the hobby, might want to know, sure, before they get to the field, some do’s and don’ts. If yeah, of flying at the club field. That makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah, what do you got? Well? So I mean there’s some general rules that, whatever club you join, are going to have rules like don’t fly over the pit. And that’s you. You don’t want to do that because, number one, you don’t want to fly, and we’ve not touched on this either. Really flying directly over your head is not a good idea for lots of reasons, but

[00:35:26] It’s disorienting, but the most of which is exactly it’s disorienting. It’s it’s hard to tell, when the airplane is directly overhead, what attitude it’s in. Is it going up, is it going down? And it’s very easy to lose. Actually, even though you have full control of it before you get to that point, it’s very easy to lose control and get disoriented due to vertigo that hurts your neck and while you’re staring directly up into the sky, which can be kind of bright sometimes- yeah, big, shiny orange thing up there. So it’s not a good idea to fly over your head, and usually where you’re flying, you’re

[00:35:59] Going to be standing in the pit or a flight line, so don’t fly over your head. That’s one thing that every club pretty much has in their bylaws or other rules of the field is: you don’t want to fly over the pit, you don’t want to put yourself in danger and you don’t want to put other flyers and spectators potentially in danger. Good to know also if you’re not just flying at a

[00:36:20] Field but you’re flying at your house or something like that too it’s good to realize that’s.

[00:36:25] Not a good idea to do. Keep it out in front of you a good distance? Yeah it, it helps your, your situational awareness, it helps you get a better view of what the airplane is doing and it keeps you it’s easier to control the airplane if you can see the attitude of the airplane. Absolutely so. It’s just one dimension that also every club is going to have, like I said, their, their, their own rules. Most clubs have a have a set pattern, if you will. So depending on maybe, like for instance, our

[00:36:56] Club. You’re either going to fly a left hand or a right hand pattern, which depending on the wind, or the wind on the wind, exactly. So our runway is kind of oriented more or less east west and prevailing winds here are from the west, generally speaking, so it works out pretty nice. We’re usually flying a right hand pattern, but not always. Sometimes the wind is crossways, whatever, and you, the, the club, will usually have a default, like if there’s absolutely no.

[00:37:27] Wind, they’ll have a default pattern. They want you to fly that way. Everybody who’s there is flying the same pattern. You don’t have two planes coming ahead on down the runway- yeah, to land or take off or what have you. So pay attention to that. Like our, our field, I believe our default is right hand, I think, because that’s the prevailing wind from the west and that makes for a right hand pattern if you’re flying into the wind. So that’s another thing to sort of keep an eye on. And then some general stuff that I like to have people kind of be aware of when they’re at the field, and this is kind of

[00:38:04] It’s not annoying to me, but it makes me cringe when I see people do this- and I know they’re doing it out of a good place, that they want to be helpful, which is great. I we always need some sort of assistance, especially if we’re flying the big airplanes. But don’t, don’t go up to an airplane that’s either running or somebody’s working on the ground and just grab it like, say something like hey, would you, would you like me to hold it, or can I hold this for you, or whatever, because not everybody.

[00:38:35] Knows the where the fragile areas are on every single airplane, like I couldn’t tell you where the fragile area is on your yak, for example. I have a good idea of where they’re at, but it’s very easy, especially on larger airplanes. The turtle deck area, that area behind the canopy, that sort of tapers down into the tail, that is, believe it or not, that is a very fragile area on most of these big airplanes, because most of them are sheeted foam. That’s what make gives it that.

[00:39:03] Shape, and if not, they’re just little stringers too, or just little stringers that are not very right. They’re just balsa, right, and we all know balsa is very light and breaks and snaps easy.

[00:39:13] So before you go grabbing somebody’s airplane- I know it’s probably out of a good place- you’re just trying to help and we appreciate that, as, as experienced pilots, we sometimes we need a few extra hands. But just say, hey, listen, can you can use a hand, or can I help you, or whatever. And if the he doesn’t want you to, he’ll let or she, they’ll let, whether they want your help or not. Yeah, or maybe even better, they’ll say, yeah, yeah, just grab it here or what have you. Then you’ll learn something and you’ll be giving them a hand and everybody’s happy, yeah. So

[00:39:45] It happened to me once when I had the, the big yak out of the field. I had somebody kind of doing the same thing. They wanted to hold it down for me when I ran it up after I started it and I explained to him that it has a lot of pull, be careful. And they’re like, I’ve been around big airplanes, I know I know how to do it and stuff, and she was very, very nice about it. But yeah, sure enough, as soon she, she straddled it and had one and the one foot on one side, one foot on the other side, and then had the tail, yeah, pushing into the back of her. That’s how you.

[00:40:17] Hold some of the big ones. And I asked her: are you ready? She said yeah, I went up to full throttle, knocked her down. Luckily she fell off to the left of the plane. But if you don’t know the person right- especially if it’s a bigger plane like that- don’t over exaggerate what, how to do right. And from that point on it’s kind of like: okay, I’ll have a friend do it, just because I trust them right and I- I would never go up to somebody that I’m not decently acquainted with and ask them: would you like me to hold that, would you like me to do that? Like even.

[00:40:51] When we’re out there, I’m not comfortable grabbing somebody else’s plane to take it off the table and set it on the ground right, even if I’m good friends with them right, because of what you’re saying, you could put it in the wrong spot if you, if you’re not, grab it in just the wrong spot and you.

[00:41:04] Poke a hole in their monocoat or you crush some of the sheeting underneath the monocoat, then you would feel bad that you’ve damaged somebody’s airplane number one, and that person is probably.

[00:41:13] Going to be not too happy with you. Or if you pull it out and you misjudge and you smack the propeller, because you can’t always see propellers when they run, you don’t know how big they are on somebody else’s airplane. You don’t want to smack it on the side of the table or something like that when it’s running, so or stick your hand in it. Well, that would be worse, right? Yeah, I mean, and I mentioned

[00:41:31] This because just recently a friend at the field was running one of his larger airplanes and one of the other club members just went down there to help him out. Didn’t, didn’t ask, he didn’t do anything. He was but, like I said, he was coming from a good place. He was trying to help. But, yeah, he grabbed the total deck and sure enough where he grabbed it, and made a little indentation in the, in the sheeting, and now I’m probably going to get to be the one to fix it, which is okay, I don’t mind.

[00:41:59] Well it’s. It’s okay that it can be fixed, but it’s not okay, because that’s one of the things: if you don’t know what you’re doing, you don’t pretend like you do right, so exactly. You’re best off staying away. In my opinion, I- I don’t know, yeah, so that’s, that’s all I really wanted to say about.

[00:42:14] That just if. If you want to help somebody, that’s awesome. Just to ask first. And usually if they, if they appreciate your help, they’ll. They’ll guide you, especially if you’re new. Hey, grab it here, don’t grab it here, whatever. And don’t get mad if they say no, right, sometimes I’m, sometimes I can be that way. Sometimes I get very into what I’m doing and I’m focused and I want to handle it. Sometimes I don’t want any help and sometimes don’t take it personally and

[00:42:39] Sometimes you’re that way with me even and yeah it’s like all right well he’s and you don’t take.

[00:42:43] It personally. No, you go about your business and we move on. But yeah, so, just that’s all I really want to say. Just ask them if you can help and if they want your help, they’ll say, sure, here, grab it here. The next thing I wanted to talk about was so when you’re running your airplane up on the so at our field we have tables right that have the stops on that we can put the airplane up on. And for smaller planes, yeah right, yeah, we can’t, obviously put the big planes on there. But when you’re running your airplane up right- and- and I’m guilty of this too, I do it all the time-

[00:43:15] Without even thinking. But you got your airplane on the table, so it’s elevated, and at our field we have benches behind the tables for spectators and other pilots to sit and heckle us and whatever, which they do a lot of, a lot of, which is part of the fun. But when you’re running your airplane up- and especially with the, with the nitros that I love so much- sometimes I’m not really mindful of where that exhaust is going right. So the airplane’s on the table and I run it up to full throttle and I’m making my needle adjustments and I look back and luckily it was my own.

[00:43:49] Car, but I still had the lift gate open on the car and all that exhaust is going right into the back of my car. So just be mindful of where the exhaust is going. If it looks like maybe you’re going to smoke somebody out with your, with your nitro two-stroke, just maybe either give them a heads up- hey, I’m going to run this up so they can either move and not get a face full of oil, or maybe you can move to another table or put it on the ground, or whatever.

[00:44:16] Okay, I see where you’re going with that one, but I kind of come at that a different way. You go out to the field. What kind of things I mean? What’s the reason you go to a field?

[00:44:25] First off people are going to fly airplanes well some people go to the field to watch people fly.

[00:44:29] Airplanes right but still if you go to watch somebody fly an airplane what you’re going.

[00:44:34] For unless you’re a spectator that it’s maybe getting into the hobby for the first time okay.

[00:44:40] Sure, but okay, I guess I do see that. But if you’re a spectator, I mean, that’s what I’m getting at- you’re not going to. I mean, I see you have your hatch open, parked right behind an airplane, to where you’re going to get stuff inside of it. And unless you’re me- which I did well, but you’re not new to the hobby, what I’m saying, you’re not. I just simply forgot to close the hatch on my car.

[00:45:02] Okay, I mean, it affects everybody it does. So I’m just saying: be mindful of where it’s at and if it looks like it’s gonna, maybe smoke somebody’s car out, and you maybe. Maybe it’s a nice, really nice gmc envoy or whatever suv. Why would you pick that one? Well, because that’s a nice vehicle, isn’t it? Gmc envoys? I don’t know, those are nice. I don’t know either, but I’m coming from a place I drive a 2009 suv. That’s a nice vehicle to me. Well, but I don’t know out of everywhere why that’s what you.

[00:45:32] Would pull out to bring up. I don’t know anybody that has one of those. I don’t think you do either. Oh yeah, I know how do you have them. Okay, they’re not cheap. Okay, that’s anyway weird choice, maybe a.

[00:45:42] Nice vehicle that you don’t want to oil it up with your nitro exhaust so just be mindful of where your.

[00:45:49] Exhaust is going. That’s all I’m saying. Let’s come from the other side then, if you’re going to a field and you’re not sure what to expect, be mindful where you park, okay, and be mindful where you stand because, like I said, I come at it from. I know what goes on at the field. That’s on my list, okay.

[00:46:07] Go ahead well then I know you’re covering it I’ll stop go on you’ve got it you’ve got it you’ve got.

[00:46:11] It no you have the list I don’t so I don’t want to steal your thunder so here’s another pet peeve of.

[00:46:17] Mine and I don’t mind loaning my tools. I really don’t, especially when I’m at the field. If somebody needs a screwdriver or a wrench or whatever. If I’ve got it and you don’t, then more power to you. Please don’t make me come and get my tool back from you. If you borrow something from somebody, do them the favor. I mean they did out of the kindness of their heart they let you borrow their tool. The least you can do is take that tool back to them. Don’t make them come to you to get their tool back. Yeah, that’s really annoying to me and I’ve lost tools over the years. That

[00:46:51] Way, yeah, and that’s really annoying. So replace what you borrow, don’t make them come and get it from you. Here’s another one. Hey, can I borrow your nice starter? Hey, can I borrow your glow igniter? Hey, can I borrow your thing that you put on the glow plug to make this thing go? Sure, I don’t mind, but if you have one in your box and you’re not using it because it’s dead, that’s on you. Yeah, that’s not my fault. I don’t mind you using my glow starter, but you’re not going to use my glow.

[00:47:23] Starter all day because you forgot to charge yours. That should be part of your pre-flight or pre-going to the field checklist: charging all your batteries. That includes your glow igniter, so do everyone else.

[00:47:33] At the field a favor and please charge your glow igniter when you’re charging your radio or your other.

[00:47:38] Batteries or what have you because that can get. I mean, because we have a limited lifespan of these things, right, they’re only good for so many starts, yeah, and if I’m gonna, if I’m planning on spending all day at the field, yeah, I bring extra nice starters with food, but not everybody does. What are you calling them? Nice starters? Nice nitro starters? Nice starters? Okay, they were. They were that’s how they were sold by mcdaniel back in the day. They were called nye starters. I’ve never heard that before. So, okay, glow plug igniter. That’s what we’re talking about here. That’s what I know it as right. So do everybody a favor: charge your glow plug igniter the night before, please. I want to be out.

[00:48:15] There. I want to have a good time. Everybody wants to have a good time. I don’t want to not be able to start my airplane because the schmuck at the end of the flight line there didn’t charge his glow plug igniter and has been using mine all day, and now I can’t start my airplanes. So what else do you have on your Tom dale cranky list? Let’s see here. Yeah, so this one’s kind of a kind of a touchy subject. Oh boy, I don’t really have a feeling on this one way or the other. Okay, but dogs at the field. I love dogs. Yeah, I really do, and you can tell whenever I come over here I’m.

[00:48:50] Always: hi, zoe, vetting our dog and stuff. I love dogs and for a long time. I can never do that at your house. By the way, your dog would eat me. Well, my dog is kind of a butthole. Well, the big one is anyway. Yeah, like I could take the little one out to the field and she’d be just fine. Yeah, but I would have her on a leash right and, like I said, there are- I even have- friends who have dogs that are extremely well behaved that would never run after an airplane or chase a little kid.

[00:49:22] As he’s running up and down the behind the flight line or the pits or whatever. But- and I think most clubs have this rule in their bylaw- but your dogs really ought to be on a leash, don’t let them. I mean, even if your dog, like our little dog, would never run off because they’re too old, too fat, too lazy, too, whatever, or just too well-mannered, sure, there’s always that chance. You never know what’s going to set a dog off right? So having a dog on a leash is usually a rule, especially on

[00:49:55] On busier weekends, like if you’re, if you’re expecting a big turnout at the field and you’re going to take your dog- probably ought to have the dog on a leash. What about kids? Should you put your kids on a leash too, if you take them out? Well, that’s so okay. I’m sorry, I have not seen your list like the perfect segue. Okay, so kids at the field? Sure no, obviously we don’t want you to have your kids on a leash. We want, we want kids. Me as an older guy at the field, I want.

[00:50:26] Kids to get excited about the hobby, because I want the hobby to continue. Yeah, right, I want. I want cool new airplanes every year. I want cool new radio equipment every year. I want cool, new, this cool. And the way to do that is to get the younger generations excited about the hobby and hopefully eventually they’ll be lawmakers and they can help us defend our hobby and keep it what it is.

[00:50:48] Right now or just be hobbyist and keep the keep the demand up exactly right so yes I want I want.

[00:50:55] Kids at the field, especially, especially kids who have never seen model airplanes before, because they do, like you can see it. They get really, really excited, like I remember when I got excited when I first saw an rc airplane. But as a parent of those children, there are some things that we as club members can inform the parents of, like let them know the ins and outs of, hey, this is the flight line. We don’t want spectators beyond this. So we want little kevin here. We want him to be excited about it, but please keep him back for his safety.

[00:51:29] And really that’s what it’s about. It’s about club liability. The club wants to continue being a club. They don’t want to have to stop being a club because they had to settle a lawsuit, because little kevin ran out and got his thumb cut off by a 50 cc s box or whatever.

[00:51:45] So, as club members and as a new club member it’s, it’s up to us to let new people and spectators know what the rules are and where the safe zones are and what we kind of expect of them. Everybody can have a good time. We have, like. Every field I’ve ever been to has an area, if you will, that is kind of a safe area that should be safe from the hazards of flying model airplanes, and for us it’s it’s anything behind the pit and that’s how it is, I think, probably for most.

[00:52:16] Club fields. Yeah. So as a club member, as a, as a new rc flyer, it’s up to us to educate spectators and their children when they’re when they’re there. So that was a good segue. But no, we don’t want, we don’t want them to put their kids on leashes. That’s not good for anybody. So, yeah, spectators are welcome but, like I said, they don’t know the rules. So it’s up to us to inform them and then, and hands off the airplanes and right, yeah, obviously we don’t.

[00:52:48] Want spectators grabbing our airplanes yeah because they don’t know where to grab them safely and or how.

[00:52:53] Fragile, they really are exactly. And that experience is learned firsthand and you don’t want them to learn that on your airplane, right? So, yeah, yes, I’ve learned that on.

[00:53:05] Mine before oh I have too they’re very weak in certain places yeah so it’s a family it’s a.

[00:53:12] Family-friendly hobby. That’s what I have always gone with. I’ve always tried to encourage my kids to take it up, which they never have, but I’ve always tried to because it to me it’s a, it’s a quality time with family that it can be. So because of that, maybe we want to try to watch our language, know your audience, which is exactly, I mean that is. That is word for word what I have written down right here and I have not seen that. You probably can’t read it from there, but

[00:53:44] Know your terrible handwriting it yeah it is and I admit it yeah but no I don’t know.

[00:53:50] That. So yeah, and know your audience that is. That’s perfect, because we don’t want anyone to be turned off of the hobby because of something they heard us say with our filthy mouths. And I’m guilty, like I’m terribly guilty. I have a, I have a sailor’s mouth and I can listen. I can too for everybody who’s listening. It’s a real challenge for me sometimes, when we’re talking, not to throw.

[00:54:14] Out certain colorful phrases yeah I’ve got myself trying to do that also right we’ll have.

[00:54:21] To figure out a bleep button or something like that so that we can simulate. Maybe that’ll make me feel better. But anyway, when you’re at the field as a club member and you’re flying, and especially if there’s potentially newcomers to the hobby in the in the making curb, the try to.

[00:54:40] Maybe curb the, the sailor talk. Yeah, I’m always amazed, though, at the difference, like the vibe you get at the field based on who’s out there, right, so if there’s a lot of people out there that you’re not really friends with, you’re comfortable around them and stuff. It’s a lot more subdued, yes, than usually when they leave. And it’s just us, it’s just us. It gets. It gets to be a lot more fun.

[00:55:01] Right, I think exactly. I mean, I’m still having fun when there’s lots of people there and I’m- and I’m minding my manners, right. But yeah, it’s certainly I don’t want anyone to be discouraged from going to the field because they feel like they’re encroaching on our fun. No, and you’re right.

[00:55:16] That’s not how I meant it. I hope it didn’t come out that way. But well, it’s just like a group of friends when they get together. Obviously you’re gonna have more or a different type of fun when it’s just your, your close-knit group. Right then if it was a whole bunch of people you’re at a party with, or exactly, or something like that. So, yeah, know your audience, that’s a that. That, like I said, that’s exactly what I have written here, and if and if there’s a family present, curb the. Curb the language, at least until they be courteous.

[00:55:49] Exactly be kind right and I and that applies in my opinion that applies to life.

[00:55:55] Yeah I think but that’s a whole other life lessons with Tom and that concludes my.

[00:56:01] My field etiquette list. Can you think of anything else? That concludes your list of things you don’t like. So well, it’s not just things I don’t like, it’s things I think new, potentially new club members, new people to flying would want to know. Maybe they didn’t think of that. They’re the ambassadors of the hobby. Now they’re kind of like the, the presenting face of the hobby. We don’t want to turn people away with. You put a lot of stress on us.

[00:56:31] I mean, that’s a lot. I just want to fly an airplane, right, got it? Yeah, no, I understand what you’re saying and that is very true. Just be courteous, be kind, be think about other people, right don’t. Don’t just think you’re going out there by yourself to fly and you’re the only one there. Obviously we’re going.

[00:56:52] Out there to enjoy ourselves, obviously. But a little courtesy goes a long way, and especially when, when maybe some potential new comers to the hobby are present. Just other thing, and it’s

[00:57:06] Kind of annoying sometimes. I don’t necessarily like to fly when there’s a lot of other people up in the air. Depends on the people, right, it does. That’s kind of what I was alluding to, right, kind of with a know your audience thing who’s flying. There’s going to be some that you trust, there’s going to be some that you don’t trust, right, and when somebody that you’re not sure of is up,

[00:57:27] Flying. I just wait until they’re done. Yeah, just wait it out, watch them fly. Maybe, internally, you can maybe learn from stuff that you see them doing well or maybe not doing well. You, there’s always, there’s always something to do at the field if you’re not flying. Yeah, so that five to ten minutes that you wait it’s really not that big a deal. No, not at all. So if it’s like you said, if it’s somebody that you’ve never seen fly before, maybe, or maybe you’ve seen a pattern with their flying that makes you uncomfortable, just wait it out.

[00:57:59] Yeah, and then, and then fly your fly on your time. Yeah, I would agree with that myself. I will fly almost with anybody. The problem I have, though, sometimes is it’s not so much the flying, it’s them landing while I’m flying. That’s the part, sometimes, with certain, with certain.

[00:58:20] Characters at the field that I get nervous about why because you think they might hit you well you.

[00:58:24] Know I’ve seen a few planes make it into the pits over the years. I’m a little close. It does, yeah, it does. It is a little unnerving, especially if you’re- if you’re flying an airplane for like the first time. Yeah, that’s. That’s another point that I could probably make. If somebody’s maidening an airplane, do them the courtesy of just waiting, let them have. Let them, because you never know what’s. Yeah, probably, I don’t know what. The percentage is a high percentage of the time. Nothing’s going to happen, everything’s going to be just fine. Depends on who. It is right, but you never know. I mean, anything can happen on a maiden. Maybe they’re going to take off with their.

[00:58:58] Ailerons reversed. And wouldn’t it does that? And wouldn’t it be nice if they had all the airspace they needed to try to get it back, as opposed to didn’t have to worry about somebody?

[00:59:08] Else on the field didn’t have to worry about any of that stuff yeah I understand and usually.

[00:59:12] That pilot who’s maidening an airplane is probably going to maiden that airplane some other not busy time at the field. But if they’ve chosen to come out the field on a saturday morning and maiden an airplane, do them a favor and just wait until they’re done. Well, especially, get to the, if it gets to.

[00:59:25] The point where it’s just two or three of you and they’re going to maiden something yeah it’s it’s.

[00:59:28] So much easier not to not to go. And you never know, they may ask for your help on the sticks. Maybe their hands are going to be so full just trying to fly a thing. Maybe they need somebody to help them add some trim or whatever. So well, and the other thing too, that it’s.

[00:59:41] Difficult for me to fly with other people because obviously, when you’re flying, you watch your airplane and I like to see what’s going on. I mean, I like watching other people fly airplanes, so it’s it’s almost as fun for me to go out and just watch, yeah, than it is actually fly anything. And, and a lot of times I’ll

[00:59:58] I’ll be watching and another pilot to do something cool with his airplane. I’ll be like man that look cool. I’m going to try to replicate that whenever I go fly. What I mean? And sometimes you ask him: how’d you do that? I don’t even know what I did. I don’t even know. That happens to me a lot. Yeah, that was cool. What’d you do? I don’t know. I just moving sticks around, it was just going on its own, beats me.

[01:00:18] Right, oh yeah, so that’s that. That pretty much concludes my list. I okay, yeah, just know your audience is the is a is a key takeaway from that, and a little bit of courtesy goes a long way. And have fun with it. Oh yeah, definitely have fun. That’s like number one, that’s the most important.

[01:00:36] Thing. It is a fun hobby. There’s a lot of people that you’re going to meet that are going to be characters. There’s a lot of people you’re going to meet that you’re going to become friends with, and that’s the best part of it. So, yeah, I agree, yeah. With that, I think I am finished.

[01:00:51] That’s that’s all I got okay that’s all I wanted to cover well until next time everybody thanks for.

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