Ep 108: We’re Back!!! Again…

[00:00:03] You okay there I’m good hello everyone welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast I’m Ron.

[00:00:15] I’m dave and I’m Tom. We’re out of practice. Switching up the order a little bit. I was saying we’re out of order here. It’s been a while. Everybody just stared at me like what do I do? Now we talk. Yeah, I, I know tommy missed his cue. I did that on purpose. Oh, did you to throw off the groove, to make it anyway, to make everybody uncomfortable a little bit? Well, it made me uncomfortable. That’s why I’m still talking, because I’m just I don’t know what to do or what to say, so we’re just spewing stuff out. How’s everybody have we been busy? How’s everybody doing? I know good, I’m good.

[00:00:44] Yeah, we’ve been like crazy. We’re like this is the most I’ve flown, probably in the last year, five years combined- like I have flown more this summer so far and it’s not even over yet. It’s been a great time so far. It’s been like I know dave flies all the time but don’t know, I’ve got a lot in recently. Yeah, yay, but it’s, yeah, it’s been a great summer. Taking the month of july off was genius. It was a

[00:01:10] Great idea. Whoever decided to do that? Yeah, we have gotten so much flying done and, yeah, and a lot to talk about we do. First thing we need to cover though. Yeah, I’m gonna let you take, okay, this one.

[00:01:22] Yeah, so there’s been a few incidents at the field. Because we’ve been flying a lot, we’ve had a lot of exposure at the field, so we’ve seen a lot of things that I think would be worthy of talking about. On the podcast, safety related, a couple of guys at the field, at our local field and not just our field. On facebook, a couple of the groups I belong to it’s it seems like there’s a rash of these going on over the summer. Maybe it happens every summer, but because I haven’t been flying, just haven’t noticed. Yeah, but be careful, like especially around these spinning propellers.

[00:01:57] Man, these are like lawnmower blades, set up on end that are just waiting to eat somebody’s fingers. So, yeah, we’ve had a couple of incidents at the field. A couple guys have gotten stitches because they put their hands in a rotating propeller for various reasons which I will go over. But I just want everybody to be safe out there and, like anytime you’re going to be putting your hands or have your hands around those spinning propellers, man, just please be mindful of position and just keep safety at the at the front of your mind, because I don’t like seeing photos of

[00:02:32] People’s hands with stitches and yeah, that sort of thing. So, like a couple of the causal factors that I’ve seen, number one seems to be not having your aircraft properly restrained, no matter what size it is. Yeah, absolutely like. So at our field- and a lot of fields have these tables that are built like ours as well- they it’s like either a t-shaped table or a table that has a nice big flat top but it has posts at the end of it to sort of hold back your wing if you’re not going to utilize.

[00:03:03] One of those tables. Make sure you’ve make sure that you use some sort of restraining device. Myself I’ve got one of these fold up things that gets staked into the ground. And same idea: it goes behind the or in front of the horizontal stab and holds the airplane for you so you can do what you got to do. But if you don’t have one of those, at least have somebody holding the airplane for you. Yeah, that seems to be the primary, the primary culprit for people with missing fingers or and or stitches. Lurching aircraft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then starting procedure. I mean.

[00:03:40] You. You don’t want that airplane to surprise you, right like so you. If you, if you have your starting procedure dialed in, awesome. But if it’s a new airplane, it’s even more important to have somebody helping you out, because a runaway airplane is no fun for anybody, nope. So just be careful. Yeah, we just want everybody to go home after a day at the field with the same number of fingers that they.

[00:04:04] Went to the field with in the same shape as you showed up, preferably yeah. So I don’t want to harp on it, but I think it was important to kind of bring that up. Just yeah, brought it to the yeah.

[00:04:14] Brought it to the forefront because one of them happened to be a close friend of ours and we.

[00:04:19] Don’t want to see that happen to anybody so nope and one more thing whenever possible never fly alone.

[00:04:24] Yeah, I thank you. I agree just to a certain extent, yes, extent, I agree I- because of the proxy or the remoteness of our field. It has been proven this last go around that it’s not.

[00:04:44] Easy for first responders to find our field yeah which I okay yeah okay I find that difficult.

[00:04:51] Where it is. But I mean, let’s think about that. Most airfields are remote because they have to be right, because we could, we don’t want to fly in residential neighborhoods and all that kind of stuff, right? So first responders may or may not be aware of where your field is, so, or controlled. Having somebody there with you, maybe you’re not going to have to rely on first responders to try to find you. You’ve got that person with you that can take you to the hospital in the event something happens, which is exactly what happened. Yeah, well, with, with, with our

[00:05:21] Experience so okay anyway be safe let’s move on I like I don’t want to bring them down no this is.

[00:05:26] Going to be a good podcast because we’ve got a lot let’s talk about all the cool stuff we’ve done.

[00:05:30] So I ordered a 3d printer. Yay, I mean, that’s not too cool, but it is. You already have a printer, though, so I have a regular, what’s it called fdm or whatever? The one that uses the, the actual filament. So the one I bought’s a resin printer. Do what he’s talking about, dave? Yes, I do. The fdm is the filament deposit something method maybe, yeah, not machine, I don’t know- but the resin. So the reason I brought or bought it is kind of for a dorky reason, but that’s okay, I want to be.

[00:06:04] Able to print my own pilots and you can do them a lot better. You can get a lot more detail with the resin printer. I don’t have it yet, but I should be getting it, hopefully in the next week or so. So we’ll have to talk about how that goes. And then I found out: if you have an iphone- which I don’t but your wife Tom does, she does- you can scan your face. So I’m gonna be able to fly my own planes, and so will

[00:06:26] You guys, that is really dorky, but awesome, awesome at the same time. So let’s talk about what sort of prompted looking into this in the first place. So we went up to brian’s and you have like 18 or 25 or whatever it is- new airplanes that need pilots, so you were gonna buy. You were gonna buy pilots while we were up there, and then you quickly discovered how much of an investment that was gonna turn out.

[00:06:50] To be so yeah, so one of the things I was wanting to buy pilots for is the that lazy b, because I want to put like at least three in there, because it’s got a big cabin and it’d be neat to kind of put a few of them in there, like the ones that I didn’t like. That were just kind of crappy looking, where you can get them for 10 bucks a piece. Decent looking ones, though, were at least 20 bucks per pilot.

[00:07:15] My gosh the t28 they were 35 a piece for a bust gosh yeah so imagine I’ve got 70 worth of pilots.

[00:07:26] In my big t28 and they’re just busts it’s worth mentioning again that during the dualist build I.

[00:07:33] Found my pilot, yeah, at the goodwill for a dollar. Well, I have forky and the- the guy from what was it? I don’t even remember that- and I think those pilots are awesome. They are pretty cool, like I. I understand that, but how cool is it going to be to have your own face flying an airplane? It’s pretty cool. That’s my plan, so we’ll see how that goes. I’m excited about that, but what else you plan on printing with this thing? That’s really all I can talk about right now. Whatever I want, that’s.

[00:08:03] Small because it’s tiny. Let me ask you this: the resin printer. So I’m I’m the dumb one of the bunch, right, well, so am I. I’ve never done it. When it comes to technology type stuff and additive machining- which is what this is -huh will the material that’s made of? Could you print parts out of that and they would be durable for, like, rc use or whatever? Oh yeah, because I know some of the, some of the other, the what, the dl, what is your printer? The one you have, fdm, the fdm printers.

[00:08:36] Depending on the filament, the type of plastic you use. They can or cannot be used for rc because they’re not durable. Some of them right, sure, so will this one be like? The resin printer? Is that same idea? You have to use the right stuff. Or like: how does it work? Like, I guess, is what I mean. Is this the one that uses two lasers and wherever they meet it melts the no, it’s. It’s a little different, it’s pretty.

[00:08:59] Much a tv that’s facing upwards, and so it’s, it’s, it’s like it will. It’s an lcd or led, yeah, lcd screen, ellie, whatever. And then the leds are uv leds- okay, so this is uv cure resin, okay. And as it shoots the exact pattern, yes, on the plate, that’s what gets hardened, and then it moves up and continues to do that. It’s built upside down, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it should be like I said: it’ll be interesting, that’ll be cool around, it’ll be like fun to watch it do its thing, and it’s supposed to print a lot faster than

[00:09:30] My other printer too, so we’ll see. Yeah, I think each layer- and granted the layers are a lot finer, like mine, the finest it’ll go is one- wait- 0.1 Millimeter, and this one will print at 0.01 Millimeter, so it’s a lot finer. A lot less lining: yeah, a lot less sanding is what I’m hearing. Yeah, I should hopefully not have to sand anything. Oh, and it would be nice to go straight from it and I got clear. Like the resin I bought was clear, so it’ll be interesting to see how clear works. Like I’m excited for clear.

[00:10:01] For some reason, I don’t know why. I mean, I know, to each his own, but yeah, then you have to paint them though. Well, you have to paint no matter what, even if they’re just pretty white, well, but look how expensive they’re and they don’t look like me. So what’s the point? Like I want, I want a good picture of me, like screaming, so it looks like, looks like I’m just like, put my hands up in front of my face or something. Just be like: ah, like you’re crashing, like I’m crashing. My thing is, I can never

[00:10:28] Find the pilots in the exact right size I need so you can size these perfectly. Oh yeah, absolutely. I’m always putting one that’s just a little too small or a little too big. Yeah, yeah, and that’s the other.

[00:10:38] Thing, like the pilots I was looking to get, like one of needs to be just under two inches wide. That’s hard to find something, because even brian doesn’t carry a bunch of different pilots. There’s a few up there, but not a ton of them, so it’ll be nice to be able to do. Yeah, dave, like you said, exactly what I need, size wise and all that. So I’m excited. Yeah, that’ll be neat. I can’t wait to see your first printed pilot, my first scary face looking thing. Yeah, yeah, we’ll see. I’ve got a couple.

[00:11:09] Files done. Just I found on thingiverse to see how it prints and we’ll hopefully get some scans done before too long and go from there. Cool, yeah, what else? Well, if I remember, right before last episode I challenged you to get your hobie hawk together. You did, and there’s a little bit of

[00:11:29] Confusion on what you actually meant, because in the, I think, in the episode you said- set up, I think is what you, the term you said- challenged me to get the hobie hawk set up, and so we could, right, and, and your, you framed that conversation around the fact that you wanted to arrow toe with it. Well, I must have missed that in well, appearance into the inference, inference, inference, inference into the conversation.

[00:12:01] So I just got it ready to fly. Well, it worked out fine, and here’s what I think. Here’s what made it okay. We went to brian’s. We’ve made several trips to brian’s lately, by the way, both together and separately. I

[00:12:14] Know I think you’ve been three times have you been three no I’ve been with you twice and well three.

[00:12:20] Times. Yeah, so three times, no, four times. Then twice with me, once with laurie, once by yourself, right, and then I, that’s right, five dollars a gallon a gallon. And then I went up on my own because I couldn’t make it awful work the day that you went up. So I made a trip up on my own and I got a couple things. We’ll talk about that later, but the first time we went up there, brian had a high start.

[00:12:49] Yeah that he gave to us that he gave to us and that free that was which was very awesome that was.

[00:12:55] Not expected, like I had no interest in getting one of those, but I’m glad that we did. Yeah, because we’ve flown the hobie hawk. I’m still getting out of like I’m doing it again, like I’m bouncing around in.

[00:13:09] Time frame on things. So, yeah, you challenged me to get the hobie hawk set up and you meant for arrow too, and I thought you meant just to fly. So I set it up and got it ready to fly and it flies terribly- it does actually. I mean it’s just awful and I think it’s probably well. I think it’s a combination of factors. I think it’s tail heavy, which we- I think we both- agree on, because it seems to fly okay, ish, straight and level, with a little bit of down elevator, which is that tail heavier or is that?

[00:13:43] Just not enough down elevator to where you’re holding elevator the whole time it could be but.

[00:13:47] I mean the elevator. I have it set up so that it’s flush with the molded peat on the horizontal stab. That it where it meets on that. So like I think it’s at zero nets, but anyway. Well, I don’t think it’s at the same incidence as the wings, though no, it’s not, but I don’t know if it’s supposed to be otherwise. That molded in portion of the fuselage would match that I would think. But anyway, it’s also crooked. Yeah.

[00:14:17] The plastic is bent. Yeah, the fuselage- so it’s an abs- I’m assuming it’s abs. It looks like it is- is molded in such a way that the horizontal stab is off by several degrees with the wing- yeah, it’s twisted. They’re not so parallel to each other. So the cords, yeah, longitudinal axis, whatever it is. So, yeah, I’ve got elevator. I’ve got, yeah, I’ve got a little runner too. Yes, exactly. So I’ve got some work to do. I flew it twice, or I should say I saved it twice.

[00:14:54] One. Is that a fair statement? You did, like I- I thought it was going bye-bye- me too- like- and I don’t really know what I did to- I mean, you never quit flying them right, like if it’s gonna crash, you fly them to the crash right, but anyway, yeah. So I’ve got some work to do. I’m not sure how motivated I am to do it because it was so terrible, but eventually I’ll. I think that’d be.

[00:15:18] A good winter project just see if you can get it lined up we can go at it with I think what I might.

[00:15:23] Need to. I might actually cut the fuselage where it’s mostly round and then cut it off, cut the tail off, essentially- and then throw some doublers on the inside of that and reconnect it and tweak it, reclock it, exactly. I think that’s probably what I’ll end up doing, because that fuselage, I mean it- is really resistant to any kind of twisting like, which is good. Well, yeah, you don’t, great, if it’s set up right. Yeah, I don’t think heat is gonna allow me to get the correction I need, so, but anyway, that’s.

[00:15:54] A good idea it has flown and it is off of my spreadsheet off of your list yes it has been.

[00:15:59] Flown this year so you don’t care anymore and in my mind I met your challenge so there no you did.

[00:16:05] I was actually pretty happy we didn’t do anything with the aero tow stuff not yet not yet I still want.

[00:16:11] To do that because like I said we’ll get I would like to do it with a better flying glider like my other.

[00:16:16] One yeah we’ll get into that stuff later we flew a lot we’ll talk about that but let’s let’s get.

[00:16:22] Into really quick I want to talk about the tool of the week it’s time for rc plane labs tool of the.

[00:16:29] Week. Yes, we actually have a tool of the week this week. So after listening to dave’s LiPo story, yeah, on the last episode when we were in the street when he had one kind of go off on him, it didn’t kind of go off, it went off okay. When we, when we heard how one went off on him, it did concern me a little bit, me too. So I recently bought a the what is it? The 30 amp, 12 volt power supply thing, because that isdt charger didn’t come with one right, and then it hit me that I have my four port high.

[00:17:02] Tech charger that I never use at home. It used to go out to the field with me and use a battery to charge because I didn’t have a power supply for it. So I started to use that at home so I can charge more.

[00:17:12] Batteries at a time which scares me more because now there’s four times the amount of probability.

[00:17:18] That something might happen. So I found the LiPo state or LiPo safe storage bag and charging container on amazon. They’re like 15 bucks- cheap insurance. You can’t not have one. Yeah, it’s- I don’t know how like they say this because it can’t be, but it’s explosion proof, that’s what it said on there and it’s supposed to withstand up to 3000 degree heat. Yeah, so that’s good enough for me, good enough. So, yeah, tool of the week: the LiPo safe storage bag or whatever it’s card, I don’t know.

[00:17:51] I have a bag that I use that’s left over from the rc car days and that’s what I normally charge.

[00:17:58] My batteries in? Yeah, just a single one, though, right, no, I can fit. I can fit two batteries. I mean, is it like a flat, well like envelope looking thing? It’s a yeah, it’s a bag, yeah, so that’s kind of what I have, but the ones that I bought. It looks like a little lunch box, even has a handle on top, it has a over the shoulder strap so you can carry it, and it’s very nice, like I said, very cheap and worthwhile. That’s where, yeah, I need to get a couple more of them. Actually, because my other, non-used at the time LiPos, are still stored in the refrigerator just in a clear plastic tote, oh my, and they probably

[00:18:30] Ought to be in the refrigerator. Oh really well, I want them to be able to come out at once, so I don’t want to have to like open up the crisper drawer and then be like: where’s the battery? I.

[00:18:38] Want. So it’s funny, you should say, because that’s exactly how my process. It’s in the bottom drawer of the refrigerator downstairs we don’t use, and then I have to.

[00:18:47] Shift through them to bottom right, bottom left. Oh, mine’s in the bottom right. Yeah, mine are just bagging around in an ammo can. Yeah, and that’s okay. I mean, it’s still safe. They’re contained. Yeah, they’re safe. Mine would not be contained. If something happened in the mine would be in the refrigerator.

[00:19:01] But the refrigerator is not fireproof, is it no? But I mean, there’s not a lot of oxygen in the refrigerator, like once it’s used up? It would take quite a bit. Yeah, I guess you’re right.

[00:19:11] The door which probably is what that’s what is that noise what is oh shoot I shouldn’t have done.

[00:19:16] Yeah, yeah, we got a dog. I took a charge- the twin to the one that went off the other night- and I just the whole time sat there stared at it. Are you going to do the same thing your brother did is?

[00:19:27] It swelling, that looks like it’s swung, and then you’re poking it, touching it every five minutes. Is it warm? Yet it feels like it’s warmer than it was five minutes ago. Do you hear something? What is?

[00:19:36] That noise? What is that? Is that hissing at me? It’s scary. The LiPos can be scary. I mean I’m still. Every time I look at the two batteries that I have for that big jet, it’s like

[00:19:45] Scare me. Well, they do, I know, but there’s, I like I get it, but I still think that I’m being silly. I know, yeah, the size of the battery isn’t going to make a huge difference in what it can do. If any of them go off, you’re going to have a problem. Yeah, because they’re all stored together.

[00:20:04] Pretty much so if one goes off they’re all going they all go off firework store yes so all right so.

[00:20:12] I want to know the week thank you that was the tool of the week so moving on I want to know what.

[00:20:16] Constitutes a maiden successful takeoff successful landing where it comes back in one piece more or.

[00:20:24] Less okay so that’s a successful maiden but what constitutes a maiden so if you buy a used plane.

[00:20:31] Bind it to your radio and fly. Is that a maiden the first time you fly it on your radio is a maiden. Agreed, I agree. Okay, so if it’s just a new plane to you and you fly it, correct, it has to be on your radio. Well, why wouldn’t it be? I’m just trying to figure how many maidens I had. Okay, I’m going through here before your transmitter. Okay, so that’s what if it’s an airplane like, okay, the.

[00:21:03] One you did. You had your christian eagle was electric and you converted it to nitro. That is a. That is a remade. Yeah, that’s a, exactly, but that would still be counted as a maiden. Yes. What if it’s the same thing and you just train a motor out like? I don’t like the size nitro motor I had on. Let’s put

[00:21:20] A new one on. That is the same. Is it the same size or bigger or smaller? Oh so size matters because it changes the flying characteristics. Okay, same size motor. Okay, here on my dualist, I swapped out one of the irvine 40s that I have on it because I the carburetor kept coming loose on the right one, I think it was. I swapped it out for an identical irvine 40 the next time I fly it. It’s not a. That’s not a remade. It’s the same engine. It should have the same flying characteristics. I haven’t changed anything.

[00:21:53] Aerodynamically with the airplane. It’s not a remade, even okay. However, I pull those two irvine 40s off and put two os-46s on it. That’s a remade, yeah, anytime there’s a major change or major repair. Yeah.

[00:22:06] I agree. So crashed and fixed. Crashed is a remade, okay. Well then, my number is eight. I have to take one off because I didn’t have. I don’t get to add the ninth one on yet, but I guess I’ll have that later. So I’ve had eight maidens since when I had our last break. I don’t have them because I may, I may.

[00:22:23] Refute one of them. What one are you refuting the umx? All tricks. Why? Because you flew that on my transmitter for the first time. Yes, so you have to take that one off. Wait, no, hold on. No, you did talk.

[00:22:38] Amongst yourselves. Let me look at this. I printed my list but it printed so small I cannot actually read this. Oh, so I have. It’s a good looking spreadsheet, though this is well on the computer screen. So this is what I have and this is the one I took off was the f27 striker. I flew it after you handed me the controller when it was in the air, and I landed it, but it was not on my controller. So that’s not nine, that only gives me eight. No, that’s not amazing. So I have my ultra 600, the big one, the big one that counts. The vista grand, obviously, SIG. Riser night, radian, yep, umx, ultrax. Nope, why you flew that on my

[00:23:16] Transmitter. But the first time, oh wait, hold on, I wasn’t counting that one. Anyway, I was looking at the wrong column. Oh, let’s go there. You go hold on one, two, three, so I have the striker. I’m not counting the ultra 600. I am vista. Grand SIG. Riser night, radian the piper, pa 20, the wings maker ogre.

[00:23:38] The no, that doesn’t count. What are we at? Six, seven, that’s seven. I have one more, one more, oh, and that ugly edge foam, or the ugly foam edge, 540, oh, the one that I gave you. Yeah, so that’s seven. Eight, eight, that’s eight. Yeah, and I’m missing the ninth one because I didn’t count that. So, yes, I have eight maidens. Nice, you cannot argue that. No, I’m not going to. So eight mains in that time. I don’t think that’s too bad, really, really good. Over several trips to the field, because we have all flown a lot recently, I know, and we have each kind of sort of crashed, oh, absolutely, I’ve crashed.

[00:24:15] What do you mean? Well, I mean the, the v900 that was a crash. That was absolutely the corn saved it. Had it not been for the corn, that would have been ugly. Do you want to talk about it? Well, sure, tell me what happened. So yeah, so I got it ready for well, I just want to start by saying that v900 flies great on three and four cells. Either way, it flies great on four cells. It’s really fast and really fun. Let’s be honest, but in a picture that you took of it and shared with me, you could

[00:24:50] You could visibly see a misalignment of the stab and wing at speed due to the torque of the motor. I’m assuming something and I did notice at higher speeds with four cells that it flew kind of weird. It was wonky. Okay, having said that, now got that out of the way. I pulled the wing off of it. I forget exactly. Oh, I pulled the wing off of it. Oh, to put carbon rod down the both sides of the fuselage.

[00:25:21] To stiffen it up to keep it from twisting, because that’s what it looks like it was doing in the picture. Look like it was twisting and if you grab the tail and then the nose, you could easily. And there were cracks at the back edges, if you remember of the at the back edge where the canopy goes on right, exactly,

[00:25:36] Where the yeah which is right where the carbon rods that’s in it the carbon comes from the factory.

[00:25:40] Stopped stops, yeah, so I bridged the gap with a larger diameter right anyway. So I pulled the wing off so I could affect the repair. When I put the wing back on, apparently I did not fully seat one of the aileron servo connections. I didn’t notice that because it looked fully seated to me. I squeeze them together and it wouldn’t go any farther together. At least I didn’t think it would put the wing back on and flew it and lost one of the ailerons in flight. Didn’t know that until after.

[00:26:13] The fact, all I knew was that it was just very difficult to control and this had four cells in it, so it was going at quite a rate of speed. When I discovered that, I thought it was lost. I really did, but, like we always tell everybody, fly it to the crash site, right, don’t stop flying. So I didn’t, and I somehow managed to get it over into the corn. I don’t know how you did that, by the way, to slow it down and, yeah, the corn is really was safe, it wasn’t. There was no damage whatsoever. Nope, like I got really, really lucky, but that’s a crash. Yeah, in my opinion, that is a crash, because, had it not been,

[00:26:48] For the corn if it would have went into the beans yeah done so because it was going at a pretty.

[00:26:53] High rate of speed. Even you had it slowed down. Yeah, but I mean a lot from where it was. Oh, yeah, but yeah, if it would hit the ground and the corn wasn’t there and you lucked out because it was close to.

[00:27:04] The edge of the corn too we didn’t have to go very far at all I got scared because I heard an animal or.

[00:27:08] Something, I guess, back and there was something big and that in the little woods that was right by it didn’t make me too happy. It kind of right, yeah, made me want to run, which I don’t run, so how bad that was. But anyway, we were able to easily get that out of the corn and you figured out.

[00:27:25] What was wrong? Yeah, we got it back to the, to the pits, and I noticed well, even before that, because we were using the radio, remember to find it, yeah, to try and hear and try and listen, because those servos are little micro servers are noisy actually. Yeah, but yeah, we got it back. Or even before we got it back, I’m looking at, oh, I lost an aileron. And then when I got back I pulled the wing off and squeezed the connector. I was like, oh, hey, it’s fixed, didn’t have it, and then I think I flew it again. You.

[00:27:49] Did so, yeah, you threw it right back up so that was break the prop, that was a crash. Yeah, I kind of crashed too, kinda I went out. We’re getting out of order, so I’m going to be confused later. But the that little blue and yellow hybrid little thingy, so I ended up taking that out to fly it. I still don’t know what to call it like. I wish I knew what that was, because just calling it the blue and yellow hybrid thing is just weird. But it’s the one that has the built-up fuselage out of plywood or balsa.

[00:28:24] And it has the foam wing and rear stab yeah, and it’s just, it’s a weird looking airplane, but anyway. So I flew that kind of, got it dialed in after you crashed it because we lost the, the signal to it, which was not your fault. I put a new receiver in it and stuff and it flew okay. It was a little bit tail heavy so I went ahead and put some weight in the nose and we kind of had a really bad storm roll through the field that night so I didn’t get to do anything else with it. So I went back out a couple

[00:28:55] Days later it flew a lot better. Yeah, like I mean it really did. It wasn’t bad, it was like a little trainer, yeah. And then something happened as I was coming over- luckily coming over the runway, to where the motor just stopped, just stop. I mean it felt like it was a nitro plane because the motor

[00:29:12] Just stopped I mean everything else worked like no warning either no it didn’t slowly come down and.

[00:29:18] Then stop it was just made a weird noise and then stopped and it’s still like you can spin it freely.

[00:29:23] So I don’t know I don’t know something noise at the end though yeah the table like I don’t know if it.

[00:29:29] So that was the motor that crashed, obviously, and there was dirt and stuff that got into it. So I don’t know if maybe that shorted it out and did something to the esc or I have not changed any of that stuff out yet, I will soon. But that one was a crash only because it landed so hard like it bent the tail, it brent the, the landing gear on it had to bend that back and it did mess up the very front just a little bit. So I consider that a crash. Ish, it’s an incident. Yeah, there you go. So at least I can say I’ve

[00:30:08] Incidented over my break, but that’s one, so like I wanted to try and make piper more interested in airplanes and stuff. So I cut out some or some decals on the vinyl cutter of a face and put it on the front and I was like piper, come look at this. She was not impressed, oh really. She was just like, oh, that’s dumb. I was like, thank you, piper, like I appreciate that. What, what would make this less dumb? And she’s like: well, you should put rainbows on it. And I was like rainbow, of course. I mean, why would

[00:30:38] I not think. And unicorns- probably right there with the unicorns, well. And so I told her I was like what here? This is a plane that we paid nothing for, so it’s it’s not. Thanks, brian. Yeah, thanks, brian, it’s not anything that I have a lot of care for. For some reason, I wanted to get it flying, I don’t know why. So I told her I was like here, tell you what? This is? A foam wing. Here’s some markers, permanent markers, do whatever you want. Oh boy, so that plane now has a whole bunch of hearts all over it. Nice, and she’s excited to go out and see it fly. All right, so we will have to get that fixed and take.

[00:31:11] It out. So that’s going to be her plane. Hopefully I can convince her in a couple years to start trying to fly and that can be the plane we use. The teacher- oh, that’ll be great. That’s a great trainer plane. Yeah, it does fly decent. There’s nothing to it. Yeah, I mean I it looked like it flew decent until the motorquake and then, once she’s got that one mastered, she wants a plane that looks like a cheetah. I don’t know how we’ll do that. We’ll have to figure something out. Yeah, I got. I got a tiger.

[00:31:38] Stripe. Well, I mean, it does have, what’s that? Four star, isn’t it? I have a SIG, wonder that’s right, and I have a SIG something extra, both in tiger stripes. Yeah see, I’ll have to do something to make it look.

[00:31:51] Like yeah she loves cheetahs but anyway so that’s what she wants on that okay so that was my that.

[00:31:57] Was your crash, ish incident. Now dave. Dave crashed, what so can I just say: but dave crashed. None of our crashes have been pilot error. That mine’s- marginally my problem, okay, well, let’s hear it.

[00:32:16] They’ve crashed. You’ve been saying that you fly it to the to the very end, kind of like you did the last time with the radiant xl that had no battery in it. This one I gave up about 300 foot up, oh, because it had watered itself up into a giant white snowball in the air. In the air. Cool it was.

[00:32:39] Good yeah I missed that this is the radiant xl the one that last time we talked about he had his.

[00:32:46] Issues with yeah that’s the one that the prop exploded right prop exploded ripped the nose off.

[00:32:51] We did a little bit of damage, not bad, the no I mean. So I’m gonna be honest, like in the in the last episode, you said you fixed it and you couldn’t tell that it was crashed. Right, I kind of doubted you. I’m I’ll be honest, I can’t. And then I saw it and I was like: holy, he’s not wrong like I. If I did not know this was that airplane, I would never have thought: dave, I will vouch for dave, he is.

[00:33:14] An excellent builder and also an excellent repairer well I don’t know dave what happened.

[00:33:20] Well, so we were remaining, remaining this aircraft. That’s a remake. This is the second time I flew it that day. It was a mediocre thermal day but I was having some luck catching some thermals. But the wind was blowing from behind us, from south to north, and I had been riding a thermal up to our well, let’s call it our faa approved, approved limit. You were 400 feet. Yeah, yeah, four. Yeah, it was 400 feet, we’ll go with that. Anyway, it was getting up there a little bit.

[00:33:53] And it was drifting downwind quite a bit. So I decided it was time to bail out of this thermal and head back to the field with it. Motor’s been off. Been off for quite a while because it’s- it’s really good floater. Yeah, so it’s 102 inch wingspan, so I pushed the nose over into a very shallow dive and let it build up a little speed. Coming back to the field. Motor on or off? Motor off: okay.

[00:34:19] It built up a little speed for a few seconds and it was a very shallow dive- 20 maybe. I started out 30 degrees and backed off of it and all of a sudden I saw something flutter, because this is an eight foot wing, so I saw some flutter and that, oh, we need to slow this down. And it wasn’t going that fast in my opinion, but, as I completely forgot, the airplane had spoilers at this point trying to slow it down, so I pulled back on the stick to bring the nose up to kill off some airspeed, which

[00:34:53] Anytime you have flutter, you immediately chop the throttle, yes, and slow down. Down, yeah, which you didn’t have throttle to begin with, so I had no throttle to kill, so the only thing I could do is yank the nose up. I pulled the nose up and it came up for a half a second and then it tucked under again and the wings collapsed in on each other. Oh, they gave themselves a high five, cool, massive, massive amount of flutter. And then they touched the. Does that airplane have ailerons? It does not. So what?

[00:35:23] Was fluttering the whole wing, really the whole wing. Yeah, it tipped the stern stem. Wow, there had to have been something that happened in the last crash. Well, it ended up, I believe the right wing it came off and folded over and touched the left wing and at that point then the airplane whips itself around and breaks the tail, so now it is basically a ball of foam falling straight down out of the sky.

[00:35:53] I quit flying because there’s nothing. There’s nothing to fly. Yeah, like I said, it wasn’t like last time where you thought you were flying it with no batteries. Yeah, I should talk about batteries.

[00:36:05] So it smacks the ground and it’s what almost a half mile out in the field oh my gosh yeah.

[00:36:13] I measured it was the corn or the beans- beans, thanks, luckily, but it was about the farthest out like you could go without hitting the trees way down there. Oh my, yeah, wow, that’s the reason I was coming home. Yeah, it was getting a little. Yeah, it was blowing away. Yeah, wow, so yeah it was. It was a.

[00:36:30] Mess. Three of us went out to get it with fred, of course. Reggie ended up finding the wing panel and then, about what? 10, 15 Rows over, he found the main wreckage. Yeah, wow, never did find the canopy, nope, and unfortunately he picked up and moved the fuselage where we were able to survey it, the scene, and we can’t find the brand new batteries on their first flight. Yeah, no, and that’s what? Because

[00:37:00] You usually you go out and you’re like, oh, here it is, I’m gonna grab it and start walking and just leave it, like that’s first thing, find it, know where it is. Yeah, don’t touch anything. Like let’s look around, take an inventory. And by the time it was picked up and moved- it was, I mean by the time we got to him- he’s like: I think I was over here, I don’t know, and it’s like: well, because that’s where the battery is going to be and the batteries were black, yeah, and it’s dang it. And even like if they, if you knew where they were, like if you knew exactly where they were, there was still.

[00:37:31] I know it’s just beans, but those beans covered so much like you would not be able to see them unless you got down on your hands and knees and crawled through the field. I mean, this was eight.

[00:37:39] Foot of foam we were trying to find and it took a few minutes to find it like even driving past like.

[00:37:45] On the runway driving down to the end of the field, you could see down the rows of beans. We could not see that until you actually got out. Yeah, the whole airplane could not be seen, dang, until you got out and walked and it was like I said, it was a couple thousand feet out there.

[00:38:01] The radian xl it was unsolvable it got gutted when we got home and we just happened to.

[00:38:07] Have a junk day that day so the only thing I was really concerned about getting back from that for.

[00:38:13] You was the receiver. Yep, we got the receiver back. I got everything back, except for the canopy- who cares? And my brand new batteries. Brand new batteries- is that the one with the brand new spinner and prop too?

[00:38:25] Yeah, dang it. Did it hurt the prop? No, oh well, so yeah. So anybody needs a spinner or a nice carbon prop for a radian xl. I’ve got you covered. Or, conversely, if somebody has a radian xl out there that they don’t want anymore, I think dave would probably be interested in wheeling and dealing.

[00:38:44] For one because it was a good airplane yes I’ve done quite a bit of poking around on the internet and.

[00:38:48] It just seems like nobody’s got one. Yeah, it’s a discontinued airplane from horizon. They don’t make them anymore, but, very common, anybody is sitting on one that they no longer want. Yeah, dave is in the.

[00:38:59] Market reach out because, yeah, dave crashed his twice, yeah, so the five of you out there that are listening to us right now, please, okay, moving on. Oh, so what else? What else we flying or been flying?

[00:39:12] I also had another incident. I had a control horn pull out on the. What was the grand tundra? Oh, that’s right. On the aileron. Yeah, I was flying it, it was a aileron, it was one of the ailerons.

[00:39:25] That’s right yeah I don’t think I knew about this yeah I don’t think you were out there you weren’t.

[00:39:29] Out there. No, it was really not. It was. It was an incident, not a crash. Oh, it didn’t like you landed it. I actually flew it for quite a while, thinking with one really weird with this airplane: it didn’t snap like it used to. When I took it inverted and tried to snap it, it’s like it just kind of flopped around- it’s like that’s different- and brought it back. It just was feeling weird and I landed it and every now and then I flip it over on its nose and then in this case I did. My brother went to get it and brought it back and I could see the aileron flopping the whole time. He’s bringing it back in the

[00:40:00] Breeze so yeah it flies fine stuck in up or down position yeah at least it was just free to do yeah.

[00:40:09] That could have been bad and being a foam hinge it wanted to go to center so yeah it just it.

[00:40:14] Just kind of felt weird that’s an incident not really a crash but yeah so yeah nothing.

[00:40:22] Hurt nope you’re able to fly it again probably fixed already it was two minutes with the foam tack and.

[00:40:29] Yep, back in business the next morning when it was nice and cured. Yeah, yeah. So I think at the beginning of this year we where I issued a challenge to myself. I wanted to fly everything that I could. That was on my list, my number, everything ready to go. Yeah, and I just want to say that I’ve made one heck of a dent in my list thanks to all the flying. And then you said you were going to

[00:40:52] Match my challenge. Yeah, I, I was. I was questioning at first when you first brought it up because that seemed like a lot, but I think I’m on board now, even though we’re over halfway. Yeah, you have a.

[00:41:05] Lot more left to fly in your arsenal than I do I only have nine left well eight actually that I need.

[00:41:12] To fly. I think I have, like you, 17, I think, okay, 17. Sure, there’s quite a few out there still that need to be gone through, yeah, but I’ve flown a lot of them. You have, like, I’ve gotten through a bunch of planes this year. Yeah, like I’ve already flown 19 different ones. I think I cannot read this anymore because

[00:41:29] It’s so small. Yeah, 19 different planes I’ve flown. So, since we’re talking about our list and numbers, do you want to talk about, like, what we’ve added to our list so far this year, or you mean columns? Well, like how we have it set up, what airplanes we now own that we didn’t own when we?

[00:41:47] First talked about our lists so I don’t actually know because I don’t have a copy of the first.

[00:41:54] List that I made. Oh, so this is. You can’t look at your list and say, oh, that one’s new this year. Well, I can do. You want to talk about that? Okay, you start. All right, you have a lot more than I do.

[00:42:06] Well, but I don’t. I mean pretty much all the stuff I named before that I’ve made in so far, like I don’t I wouldn’t plan on looking at. I should have printed this a lot bigger, because I feel like you right now, tommy. Well, let’s just mine, can you? Yeah, it’s huge, I mean it’s bit, it’s like it’s not.

[00:42:23] That it’s huge. It just doesn’t have as much silly information that yours has. What do you mean silly information? Oh, you had to go through and make formulas and like: this is all. This is all.

[00:42:33] Important information let’s talk about lists then let’s see what’s on the list okay so what do.

[00:42:38] You have on your list what do you keep track of so I just I have three basically I have three groups.

[00:42:44] Right I have a flyable aircraft list no I don’t care about that I mean like what are your columns oh.

[00:42:51] Like we’ve talked about okay, so what’s ready? What’s already? What? One, two, three, four, five, six, eight columns is all. I have eight columns of information and I know everything I need to know.

[00:43:02] About that airplane I have 11. What’s the difference because I’ve not okay well I have.

[00:43:05] I have the what the airplane is right, how it’s powered, what supplies the power, what transmitter I have it programmed to- I say I don’t have that when I last flew it- the number of flights and then the total flights for the year and then I have a notes column that I put notes in.

[00:43:23] Okay. So I have a few different things then, from you. Okay, because I like information. I have, obviously, what the airplane is, right, what it’s powered by, whether it be electric or gas, or yes, there’s no nitro, now there’s one nitro. What battery it takes, right? So that way I know what I’m looking for, since I have all my batteries numbered, what battery numbers I use for it- nerd, what do you? Is that what that’s mean? What connector it takes. So if it’s a dean’s or an xt60 or what, if you just had

[00:43:55] One day next year. Well, I’m trying. Actually, if I’m no, that’s not possible because, like I have the ph connector on the ultrax, I have the jst on the, or no, the jst is on the ultrax. The umx p47 takes a ph connector. Who’s ever heard of a ph connector? But that’s what it’s. I don’t even know what that is, so that

[00:44:15] One that’s why do me that’s why I need to know because if I ever have to buy a new battery for.

[00:44:20] This. Then I know what connector I need. I just use google. Oh, this is my google. I just cut them off and put deans on everything, not all those tiny, tiny little 281 cell. You wouldn’t do them, but anyway. So last date flown I have on there. Yeah, I have maiden date. When did I maiden it? When did I buy it like date acquired? How many flights this year? Where did I get it from? And notes, that’s a lot of information. That’s not all that much, it’s just a couple extra columns, but I like having that.

[00:44:52] Information so are you always going to have your computer handy when you want that information it’s.

[00:44:57] On my phone. Oh, my phone’s in my pocket all the time. My list has got two columns: manufacture and name. Well, at least he has a list.

[00:45:11] No, but we’ve gotten a few new ones. Obviously, yeah, since we’ve been. I wasn’t going to talk about all the stuff we got because I didn’t. You don’t have to remember we can, but I just don’t.

[00:45:19] Have it prepared so for anyone listening like. If you have a list that you maintain of your airplanes, why don’t you shoot us a message and tell us how you have your list arranged? Yeah, let us know. More, better or is less better? Less is more, I say, but more is better, so does that mean less is better?

[00:45:34] If less is more and more is better. See, I don’t agree. Less is better. No, I win. That’s how dave absolutely wins two columns. No, but, like I said, I enjoy knowing things about this, and that way in the notes column you can see what. Yeah, anyway, if you have notes about the airplane, how many airplanes have you gotten rid of this year? That’s several, yeah, do you have that on there? Well, no, but I know, oh, let me.

[00:45:58] Go to my list and see what I got rid of this year. Ah, why would I keep an airplane that I no longer own on my list? When I get rid of it, I delete it. It’s information I no longer need. How many have you?

[00:46:07] Gotten rid of but I don’t know you just said you knew why’d you just whisper forward and say I don’t.

[00:46:13] Know well, because it doesn’t matter. I’ve gotten rid of seven. Why does that matter? I don’t know. It makes crystal happy. Okay, actually, I have no idea. Here we go, okay, no, I’ve gotten rid of four this year. Okay, but I don’t feel the need to keep them on my list because I don’t need to keep track of.

[00:46:32] Them anymore. You’re probably right, but it’s, and it clutters up my list. Maybe I should have another list. I like: oh, there you go. Now you’re talking. That’s not a bad idea. Keep a list of airplanes.

[00:46:42] That you’ve gotten rid of? Yeah, because, so you can remember them. Actually, it is handy. I have pictures of them in my transmitter. Not all of them, all the ones I’ve gotten rid of. Yeah, absolutely.

[00:46:51] This year, but not the ones from beforehand. Well, no, not before I own the transmitter. Yeah, so we’ve done a lot of flying. I don’t know, we’re just googling, we’re I’m goofing. It’s getting light, that’s what you’re doing. Oh god, I think I’m anyway, so we’ve flown a lot. One of the other things we started that you kind of alluded to before was the high start. Yeah, let’s talk about that, because we have both acquired a new unpowered glider to glide around with. And what do you think of the high start?

[00:47:26] It’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of walking. It’s a lot of work. Even like, even if we talked about maybe having a golf cart handy or a scooter- I want to buy a scooter, like, and that would help, but it’s still. It’s still a lot of work. Yeah, like, because you have to roll the thing up, you have to unroll it. Well, we need to bring a drill out. It’s a long, it’s a, it’s a. It doesn’t take long to set up, no, and it really doesn’t take long to take it down either. Not really, yeah, but when it’s 95 plus out and 90 plus humidity, in the open sun with no shade, which is when you want to do it anyway.

[00:48:02] You don’t want to do it in the fall when it’s not warm right because you don’t have thermals you’re.

[00:48:06] Going to have a 30 second flight right, which is exactly what we probably the longest flight we’ve had with it. So no, I had a pretty good one with the SIG riser I got. That’s true, you did, yeah, one.

[00:48:17] That’s a proper glider it is a an actual glider it does a good job it does a very good job but.

[00:48:21] It’s a lot of work because this thing, it’s about a hundred yards or so worth of rubber surgical tubing and then about another 300 yards. Would you say ish, 225. No, 300 feet, not yards, I’m sorry. Feet yeah, of nylon cord. That the layout. And then you pull back like a giant rubber band, like a slingshot, and launch these things and it’s fun, it adds a new dimension. But I’m kind

[00:48:50] Of over it, if I’m honest. So from where we let go of the airplane to where it’s staked down, I measured from the last time we went. It’s a thousand feet. Yeah, that’s a lot of walking, a lot of walking to get there.

[00:49:02] And back, yeah, which- and then every time you launch it, depending on the winds, maybe the end of the cord will come back to you, but generally speaking it does another 500 feet the other direction. But

[00:49:15] We’ve been doing good like actually getting it to release right over the runway so it starts to come down like directly over it. But then the wind got a little parachute on the end, which the parachute’s nice. Actually it’s helpful to see it come down. I’m wondering if a streamer might be better. I don’t.

[00:49:31] Know, just put a streamer on it so when it comes down it just goes straight down instead of letting the wind take it. That could be. But yeah, it’s a lot of work. It is fun, and if I was a better glider pilot, maybe, and had a proper glider and not a sailplane, that’s the difference. I think that’s the difference, but anyway, I would probably have more fun with it. Yeah, and eventually I think I’ll I’ll end up with a, a proper, like your riser. There’s a bunch of them up at brian’s, I know they’re, but

[00:50:01] They’re all powered. No, there’s still a few up there. They’re pretty good. I thought they were like: anyway, there’s the one that was missing the canopy, you’d be good. Oh yeah, I could fix that one pretty easily. Yeah, you were gonna go out there and make him a deal and I didn’t even. I know because I have one and that’s enough. After seeing how much walking and stuff it is, that’s. I’m too fat and old for that.

[00:50:22] I don’t want to well to be fair. To be fair, I don’t feel like we used it in the proper conditions, like once it was cloudy and kind of not like conducive to thermals, yeah, and the other time we used it was it was actually quite windy and I don’t think there was a lot of it was in the evening, so everything was starting to cool down. So again, I don’t think there was proper thermaling to be had, so maybe the experience would be different. On a proper sail glider plane day, yeah well, I mean I, I

[00:51:00] Still honestly think that if we had a way of getting there and back not walking slowly in the heat a.

[00:51:10] Thousand feet there and a thousand feet back because I mean I used my car last time and even that it was.

[00:51:16] You used your car to go stake it down but not to go pick no I’d use the car to go pick it up too.

[00:51:20] Because, oh, did you, but you did you fly without me there then? No, you were there. I’m talking about between launches. Oh, no, no, not between launches. We walked to wherever it was and brought.

[00:51:31] It back right I think if we had that down to where we had a scooter or something that’s what I’m.

[00:51:36] Thinking, yeah, streamer might be better than a parachute, but either way, yeah, but even with a car put, setting it up and taking it down, there’s still a lot of walking. Yeah, not so much with the putting it up, because I can just hold my arm out the window and let it unspool as I drive from the anchor point, but spooling it up it takes a lot of winding. Yeah, that’s where a drill, I think.

[00:51:56] Like you said, come in handy. Yeah, I think we’ve done it twice. I spooled it out or in once and you spooled it in once. So we both know the suck that goes into it. And it’s in your hand because the way you do it there’s a handle on it, and then you just put your finger in this little molded spot. Well,

[00:52:12] My finger started getting really hot. I quickly discovered if you grab the handle and then just flip the thing and it would spin on the handle as you as you rolled it up. Oh see, I just put my finger in it. I did that too, until my finger got hot. That’s what I meant. Yeah, this is much better.

[00:52:25] Burning and then you look at your finger and it’s all like shiny. And you’re like, oh, that’s not good. So shiny finger, yeah, but we so that. Gliding aside, we had some good times with a couple other gliders, so I went out with the, the steven zero helium- it’s a dumb name, but a cool glider.

[00:52:45] So I was hoping to get a long flight out of it and I kind of failed because I grabbed the wrong battery. Like, the battery I started with was at 70 and I thought I grabbed my fully charged one, but the battery I had was 70. I still got 45, I think, minutes out of that battery. That is crazy and I can vouch for that. I was there the whole time. That’s awesome it was. It was fun. Yeah, dave was trying to teach me how to look for thermals, because I don’t know what to look for. You usually don’t pay attention to wing tip and all that kind of stuff when you’re flying, and he’s a good teacher.

[00:53:16] He was kind of showing me what to, what to look for and when you kind of see the wing tip rock, how to go back around and try and hit it and then see if you can get any rise out of it and all that. So it was. It was a lot of fun. Like I said, a very long flight and so that whole 45 minutes of flying time was six and a half minutes of motor time. So you, most of that was in the beginning, yeah, yeah, trying to figure out what I was doing. There was one time I hit like I actually had it up there without

[00:53:49] Going back up like just motor off for a good 10 minutes straight. That’s and it was. It was nice flight. Yeah, once again, dave was a good teacher. Does your neck get sore looking up? No, that long. No, because you sit down and just like we were sitting under the umbrella. Yeah, oh, it was, it was nice. Yeah, you weren’t in the sun, you were sitting down. I would like to be out there next time you guys do that.

[00:54:10] Well, we can take it out anytime, because I- no, I want to like the three of us. Well, I’m saying we can take it out anytime. I want to hear, I want to see the instruction, and so I can put it together and

[00:54:20] I actually wouldn’t mind doing that again too, because since that flight on that airplane I have put the, the, the, yeah, the, the very other telemetry mod or the receiver in it and so that’ll tell me height and all that kind of stuff, which will be nice. Yeah, I flew it once, since I’ve done that, but it was a very bad day for flying gliders, which it kind of made me feel better, because so I, I, we, I bought the vista grand a while ago. I got that all put together. I made it. That was one of my.

[00:54:51] Maidens over our little break. It flew terribly like. I was very much not happy with it and so I thought, okay, I’ll deal with this later. So I got my other, the glider out that I’ve flown, that I know flies so wonderfully, and it flew like crap too. So I was like, okay, it was the conditions. I’m actually glad this one’s not flying very well because that tells me that I have hope for the other one. Yeah, so I think the other one will be good too. Yeah, but there’s just like it’s almost too big. I mean, I know it sounds.

[00:55:24] Weird but so like the little two meter glider, which is what that stevens row one is, it’s just the perfect size. It’s light, there’s nothing to it. It’s a two-cell LiPo. You can fly forever. It’s just, it’s simple to put together. I mean, I don’t know, it’s just like the perfect, like I was excited for something bigger, but getting it out there and putting together and doing all that kind of stuff, it’s just like harder to transport, hard to store and even like on the, the steven zero. The nice thing too is the. The rear stab comes off if you need it to, so it takes up like no space at all. Yeah, but it was fun and we.

[00:55:59] Will do it more often. Gliding is something that, like power gliding, I think is going to be something I do more than unpowered gliding, yeah, which is why I didn’t want to go make an offer on all the non-powered gliders you had up there at Dynamic Balsa, because that’s a lot of them that I don’t need.

[00:56:18] True. So what else? What else have we done? I mean, besides flying that, we installed lights on the. You got your own altrix. I did. I don’t think we talked about that, because that’s been since last.

[00:56:31] Time. No, I yeah. So after flying yours, you let me fly yours and put the lights in it. I had to have one. Yeah, because they are awesome, they are a lot of fun, and I put the lights in mine too, and they ended up being defective. So I’m going back and forth on that, but still, it’s great because it’s such a little airplane. It takes up no space and it flies in a surprisingly small space. Like I flew it in my backyard, it does. I mean you can use a big field in my back. I know I heard you.

[00:57:01] That’s awesome, like it, like not. I didn’t go to the in your side of the school, in your side yard, but in my, yeah, I flew it in there. Awesome, I don’t know how big your yard is. Like it’s not big wise, but it’s not well, I mean standard city lot. Yeah, it’s like well, he’s not a double, well, a lot and a half, so it’s like 120 feet, but 80 feet of that is like the house on the garage. So 40 feet by 75 feet deep with trees around. But I mean it’s just so slow, like it just flies right down and it’s so light.

[00:57:33] That if you were to run into a tree it wouldn’t matter yeah it really wouldn’t it’s not gonna hurt.

[00:57:39] It no it’s not like it’s a it’s not like it’s a cub or something like that right like I hate to admit.

[00:57:44] It. But I love that airplane, I do too, like you love it so much. You bought the bigger one, I did, and I’m I’m regretting that it’s not. It doesn’t fly as well. Well, okay, I guess I shouldn’t judge it, not yet give me time, because dave had a really good suggestion. Yeah, I will judge it later, but I flew it the way it said to set it up, which is kind of fairly forward for CG. It will not do the little pancake spins and stuff that the, the little ultrax, does. I bet it will if you, which makes it so much fun it really does. But yeah, dave suggested moving the CG back a little bit and seeing if that makes

[00:58:18] A difference and we will try that I bet it does and go from there I hope it does yeah because that’s.

[00:58:24] That would be a fun plane too. It’s a little bit bigger, probably a little not quite as convenient as the, as the umx one. It’s not like, however. I mean like bigger flies better. I thought so, but I don’t think so now. I mean like the way that the small one is just tweaky, tweaky, twitchy, or enough twerky, twitchy, enough to be twitchy, that’s fun, whereas maybe something more stable is not, as it doesn’t.

[00:58:51] Have that factor that fun factor and with yeah and with the AS3X on it I mean and then you put the.

[00:58:56] Lights in it and it’s just it’s awesome I love taking that thing over to the school because it.

[00:59:01] Gets so much attention, I put the lights on the bigger one too. I’m disappointed just in the fact that the micro one has the red little tail lights on it, which is very helpful when you’re flying. It really is. The big one doesn’t have any tail lights. Oh, that’s unfortunate. But the big one does have wheels on the back, which is weird. So I don’t know if you could actually take it off on like a paved runway, because it has a little wheel you can put in the front too. It’s not steerable, oh, but

[00:59:29] You might be able to actually take off and does it launch okay from your hand though yeah so I mean.

[00:59:34] There’s, no, no bad tendencies with that. It’s got plenty of power for 3d, for hovering, for unlimited vertical and stuff. So, yeah, after flying yours, I had to have one, and I’ve I’ve got.

[00:59:45] According to my spreadsheet I think I’m up to 11 flights on it oh well let’s look at mine how many.

[00:59:50] Do I have on that one? It’s rolling his eyes at us. I think that says 28, but I can’t tell it’s either 28 because it’s so small, because you got so much information on it. But it’s. The nice thing about that is you can charge the batteries on the 1s charger, just a little charger that plugs into the usb port like charging thing, whereas. So I kind of went all out with this ultrax when I bought it with a bigger one, because it takes a 3s 850, which I don’t have any 3s batteries that small, so I went.

[01:00:25] Ahead and bought the spectrum smart charger and two of the spectrum smart batteries- the generation two or whatever it is. You did go all out. I’ve never used cha-ching. Yeah, it was expensive, but I’ve never used any of the smart stuff before. It’s always been the dumb old batteries that you have to plug everything in, like these, don’t even have balance ports on them. It’s all controlled on the battery itself. We can talk about another time when I learn a little bit more about it. But all you do to charge it- which is nice- is plug it in, yeah, and then it senses what the battery is.

[01:00:59] And then it charges it you can so it’s almost like it has a bat air thing built into it right.

[01:01:06] Communicating with the smart charger which I’ve not had a lot of luck getting the smart charger from.

[01:01:12] Isdt with the bad airs to actually communicate and start on its own. Like you can plug it in and it only works if it’s plugged in, like okay, so if I put a battery on and charge it, it knows what it is, it does. Fine, you have to manually tell it start charging all that stuff. If I take that battery off and put another one on, it doesn’t know what that battery is. You have to unplug it from the wall.

[01:01:34] Reset the charger and then plug it back in and then it will do its thing, find out what it is, and then it’ll read the plug and then you have to start it, whereas this one, you just plug it in. It doesn’t matter how many times you unplug one or unplug at the spectrum one, and it will know what battery it is. However, you were unfortunately talking about one of your led. Things was a problematic on your mini alteryx. I have a bad battery. Whenever, for some reason, I plug one of the batteries in that I got, it says the polarity is reversed and won’t do anything. On one of your

[01:02:06] Brand new. One of the brand new batteries- gen 2 smart batteries. So I’m gonna have to get that taken care of, but they’ll stand behind it. I’m sure I’m not too worried about that, but it’s just more of a problem that I have to deal with, and I don’t want to have to deal with it. Yeah, no, I get that. So

[01:02:21] One question on your smart charger. Can you override it like? Like, let’s say you plug a battery in, let’s say we’re we’re still racing cars- and you plug a 5000 milliamp, 7.2 Volt or, I’m sorry, two cell in it and it automatically defaults to what? 1C, 10c, 5c. What is like? Does it different or does it whatever you set it to? Well, you said you plug it in and it just does its thing. Yes, but if you change, okay. So

[01:02:49] Like when I plug this one in the one battery I have that works, when I when I well, so I can’t tell you if I’m plugging different batteries and what it’s going to do so with this one battery that works. When I plugged it in, it started charging at 850 mil amps- like 0.8 Amps, I think it was playing, it doesn’t matter, it was under one amp. And then I was reading on the battery: it says you can charge up to 4.2 Amps on this battery. So I raised that charge rate up to okay, so you can. So I raised it up to four amps. I didn’t want to go to the full 4.2. And then it actually knows on the charger. Well,

[01:03:23] I shouldn’t say that the charger would only let me go to 4.2 Amps. So I don’t know if that’s because it knows that battery will only go to 4.2 Amps or what. I haven’t charged a regular battery on it.

[01:03:33] So it automatically even though you selected four amps it went up to 4.2 Where it gives you the.

[01:03:38] Options of how much to charge. Oh, I see it would not go back or wouldn’t go past 4.2. So, like I said, I don’t know if it’s reading that from the battery or what, but must be it. I would assume so, because it should charge more than 4.2 Amps if you have a bigger battery to go on it. But anyway, so I was able to do that. It charged at 4.2 Amps, which, by the way, that’s freaking fast, I mean like I think for the initial charge. Yeah, it’ll go, one of the charges I had. I was under half on the battery, put it on there to charge. It got to full charge in six minutes. That’s kind of nice, but anyway so.

[01:04:10] When I unplugged it and plugged it back in, it defaulted back to what I said it at: at the four amps, so it didn’t go back to the eight or the 0.8 Amps, or whatever it was. So what I had to be interesting to see what it does with a different battery. Right and going back and forth. So I won’t know that until I get another battery fixed so well, but I mean a different type or size battery, is what I’m talking. Well, what I’m saying, though, is if I have one battery and set it to four amps and then have another battery and say, just charge this one at two amps, I can go back and forth to see if

[01:04:41] It will remember it per battery so we’ll see yeah I don’t know yet it’ll be interesting I can’t tell.

[01:04:45] You yet, because it doesn’t work well. Horizon doesn’t want you sending batteries back to them, so it’ll be interesting to see how they handle this. I wasn’t sure if I was going to do that or just go.

[01:04:54] Straight back to brian’s, but that’s a two-hour drive just for a just exchange and I’m broke like I cannot go spend any more money. I’m out of things to sell and I’m out of money to buy, so that’s almost a wasted trip- not a wasted trip, it’s never a waste of stuff, but anyway. So what else have we done? Oh, I think we’ve flown a lot, but we haven’t built anything. Have I’ve? No, I’ve- the night radian. I haven’t flown that since that was maiden, since we did this right, my night radian.

[01:05:26] Yeah, okay, so I have a night radian now too. That’s been made. Since then, we’ve talked about your new night radian on the show. I think I’ve flown it since then, did I? No, I did, you’re right. Okay, step back. So this is what happened. We talked about it. One of our listeners reached out and said: hey, if you have that, you need to get the light controller from wingnut tech. So thank you very much. I did that. I like it a lot better, so I installed the light controller. You can actually change from your transmitter the.

[01:06:00] Different light show things that it does and it’s kind of nice now I kind of like it dave also.

[01:06:07] Got a night radian so I was going to say yeah and I like the mods that he did to his dave you want to.

[01:06:12] Talk about what you did. Pretty simple, just based on experience with my brother’s standard radian from years ago. He had the push rods let loose at the back. So real quick and easy. Just put a zip tie around the neck, yeah, which you told me to do that on mine. Thank you, it looks like they’ve upgraded that a little bit. They’ve got some staples in there now the help hold them in place.

[01:06:32] But still the staples are pulling out when I got it so I actually glued the staples in oh so yeah the.

[01:06:37] Zip tie is not a bad idea, no, and cheap, doesn’t do anything to it. And then I cut out a little plywood floor to put in the nose to velcro- the battery too. For some reason or another, they’ve got the battery strap all the way at the back of the cockpit, so it just grabs the last inch of your battery. There’s not much hanging on to your battery. No, the battery’s supposed to go all the way down in.

[01:06:56] The wing root, under the wing. Well, mine won’t go. That’s where that’s what I was saying with mine, because I had to take the velcro off the batteries I had, because it would not fit in that. Get your nose off. What the time? What? I can hear microphone, but I can still hear your nose going across the microphone. You’re weirdo. Edit that I’m not adding that out. People are going to hear how weird you are. Okay, so anyway that battery goes in, like I said, under the wing, and that’s where it’s actually.

[01:07:26] Supposed to go. There’s a little cutout back there. I could not get its fit without taking the velcro off from using it on other batteries, so I ended up cutting the velcro off and then I was only able to put like a inch or inch and a half piece of velcro on the front of it, where it doesn’t actually go into the wing. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes full sense. But yeah, I saw a nice little pocket and stuck my receiver in there. Oh, did you see my receiver was already in, did you not? You got the plug and play. There’s the difference, then. Okay, well, I can show you how mine is set up.

[01:08:01] So you can see how it comes from the factory and that way you can see exactly how they had everything lined up. Except my controller is in a different spot now because I put that well the light controller used to be. It was really bad the way they had it used to be powered by the charge, which actually how does that even work? So let’s say your spectrum. This just hit me. Let’s say your spectrum and you’re using smart batteries on this airplane. That doesn’t have the balance. Lead you.

[01:08:31] Cannot power their leds from the factory because the leds from the factory plugged into the balance lead. Wow, bad design. So the new wingnut tech actual light controller is powered off of the battery, the normal lead, so you don’t have to worry about having that extra. What does it go in line?

[01:08:52] Or something between the battery and it’s powered off of the speed controller okay all right yeah.

[01:08:57] It just plugs into a empty port on your receiver just uses the bec yeah and it works great yeah.

[01:09:03] So and the other modification that I was referring to on yours is for the lights oh yeah I removed a.

[01:09:10] Lot of the decals that were covering the light the leds actual leds yeah so the top well and he did the.

[01:09:17] Ones on the bottom. How, like there’s those two black stripes that we’re always thinking, wow man, there’s two leds out on here. Yeah, well, dave cut the little squares out above, so now his doesn’t have.

[01:09:26] That and I like that mod a lot. I do too, but I’m paranoid. I would cut too deep and mess up an led strip.

[01:09:32] Or something. No, it’s not hard, just get a fresh blade and just lightly score. I mean, it’s just blade pressure, those decals cut. So yeah, they’re really thin. They’re actually stuck on there pretty good. You got to pull on them pretty hard to get them off. Well, that’s how it was with that, the ultrax and I.

[01:09:47] Had to put the lights on it. The big they went. The big one, yeah, the lights went under some decals they already had on there and that was stuck very good and it stuck back down very good. I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah, nice, cool. Yeah, so we both have night radians now. And you’re looking at me like:

[01:10:05] What I need to buy one now. No, if you don’t want one, you don’t need to buy. I’m not saying I don’t want one, you ought to buy one, just saying, but like you, I’m kind of I’m spent out, I’m spent for the longest time. I mean like I don’t know, like I just bought three gallons of fuel so I’m like done for the rest.

[01:10:20] Of the year. I think I don’t know if I will be buying any new airplanes the rest of the year. Well, I take that back. There’s still one I want, but well, I for some reason really want one of the umx a10s.

[01:10:32] Oh, those are cool. I know, don’t you have one of those dave? Yeah, I got the parts for one. The parts for one, okay. Yeah, I kind of watered it up on a field. Are you going to finish your gws a10?

[01:10:42] Or yeah, I will, like I mean, why, soon, would you like me go back to my list on things that need work? Because that’s on my need work list. Okay, that will be done and flown this year. You heard it here, folks, it will. No, I mean like I hope, okay, I’m gonna take this out just in case. Yeah, take that out why.

[01:11:02] Because I’m gonna sprinkle it in through the conversation from here on out, so you can’t edit any of that out. Yeah sure, well, you said you’re gonna fly the nevermind. Go ahead, go on, are you?

[01:11:13] Gonna say that again. I was gonna say, yeah, the gws a10, I will fly them this year. Okay, because then I’m blue mining it. They’re so much fun. I would like to have 20 maidens this year. I don’t know why, but I just think that would be nice to be able to have 20 maidens. I don’t like the way that sounds.

[01:11:29] I don’t say that sounds a little creepy yeah you would like to have 20 maidens this year.

[01:11:34] You need to talk to crystal. Yeah, wow, that was. That’s a stretch, guys. I would like to have 20 maiden flights this year. Is that better? Yes, it even took me a minute to understand what you were talking about, so this is not like the 15th century, but I mean- or is it, is that saying something, though, that it took you that long to figure it out? Really, I’m thinking about airplanes. That’s what we’re.

[01:11:54] Talking about: yeah, so 20 maidens, okay, well, and I think I think you could do it because you’ve got 17 left to fly on your list. Yeah, but some of those are what I was just gonna say. Okay, go on some of.

[01:12:08] Those are probably maidens. Oh wait, never mind, I’m gonna be able to do that because I think I’m at 15 already. I can’t read this list because it’s so small, but I think yeah, so that’s my goal 20.. I did maiden an airplane and then get rid of it the ogre. I also have done that. Oh yeah, what.

[01:12:25] Did you get rid of the little ultimate the small one that bought me yeah what about that.

[01:12:31] Cloud Dancer, you got rid of that too right, I did, yeah, but I didn’t maiden it. You never flew that one, no understandable. But so we took that ogre out. It was actually not a good flying airplane, like, but

[01:12:45] Looking back though it go on is it because of the conditions or is it just genuinely not a good.

[01:12:50] Flying airplane genuinely not a good flying airplane I’m looking at dave because yeah the.

[01:12:54] Sync rate was incredible. Well, but now hold on, if, we, if, because that I almost didn’t get rid of it, because, as I was going over that in my mind, I’m like maybe this isn’t an actual glider, maybe this is a power glider kind of thing that should be powered all the time. When it was under power it was not that bad, no, but ailerons were very sluggish. They were now also. The ailerons were very slow to move, like the. How was the rudder authority? Rudder felt okay, it felt normal. I mean, because it’s a glider, yeah, I

[01:13:31] Mean we had control mostly probably with it had rudder control mostly with the rudder because the.

[01:13:36] Other ones were pretty useless, yeah, but once again, the, the aileron, the servos were on the ailerons from the factory. We’re very like. I even noticed how slow they were and if I would have kept it, I was going to change them out for something that would not take two seconds to go from full deflection to full deflection. Hmm, so that could have something to do with it too. Like, as you’re thinking, you’re trying to get some movement out of it. It’s just lagging so much because it’s slow. But it doesn’t matter, because that one’s gone. I forgot to take my receiver out of that. That really hurts me, but

[01:14:09] Anyway, yeah, what else did I get rid of? That’s I don’t know, that’s about it. I don’t remember what all I got rid of. Let me go to my list. Oh, my twin star. I flew that this year. It’s gone now, yeah, sold that back to Reggie the goldberg extra 300 that I bought. I would really like to have seen you fly.

[01:14:29] That though at least once because I bet that was a really good flying airplane it is it still is yeah I.

[01:14:35] Didn’t the batteries. I get it. I don’t want to buy batteries. Yes, I know I could borrow batteries from several of my friends that have them, but hear me out, okay, you could have borrowed.

[01:14:44] One of mine, because it was just said it was a six cell, right? Six cell, 5000, yeah. So just to fly it, so that you could have said that I flew it and now I’m getting rid of it and I’m okay with that.

[01:14:57] However, that would have been a lot of work to go into, to go through the whole airplane to make sure it was okay, to make sure no servos were bad, to get a receiver put in, to get a balance, to do all that.

[01:15:06] See to me that’s fun. I like for a plane that you don’t want. I like to tinker. Why is the horton I did? Well, that’s not tinkering, that’s like rebuilding and well.

[01:15:18] Really engineering, but like that someone else put together and to me it was a plane I knew I didn’t and that hurt I have, I’m sorry. Well, you were like I’m sorry I shouldn’t have said that, but you said you like to tinker and you were giving me the eye for getting rid of it without doing it.

[01:15:34] But I knew, like I said, that plane was like I’m not a big extra fan. If it would have been a yak in that size it could have sat here for three years until I came around to it. I would have done- just because you like looking at them, because I like looking at them a lot- but I just I knew I have enough projects as it is, that it’s good to get it off my list, okay. So that was my reason behind that. If I had nothing else going on, all my airplanes were done and everything was built and I had no arse, I had no kits, I had nothing- would have been a different story. Okay, I’ll give you that. Okay, well, what else?

[01:16:07] Are we good? Are we done? I got a maiden, oh, an airplane I’ve had done for over a year now. Yeah, finally, yeah, it was a ball csa stop with quarter scale pup that I kind of inherited. I didn’t really want it because I actually have a camel, so this was a friend of mine, ed’s. He all of a sudden, out of the blue, decided to move to florida and I inherited this airplane he had. He had done the original construction on it, had built up most of it, so I needed to finish it and I was going to.

[01:16:43] He actually gave me the camel for finishing this airplane for him and then ended up giving you the this airplane too. So I ended up having to rebuild the center section. There was some.

[01:16:58] Misalignments with the plans. Apparently it was best I can figure- the center section was jacked up so I had to scratch, build a center section at the top wing and then just finish it up, cover it, paint it, install the motor radio etc. I missed my deadline for getting it done, with him moving by about a week.

[01:17:15] Oh. And he said: I don’t want to take it with me, just keep it. You dragging your feet. And that turned out okay. Well, so Reggie actually a couple weeks ago was driving through with his truck the same area that ed moved to and volunteered to take it down there for him. So I gave ed a call and say, hey, Reggie’s gonna be in the area, we’re gonna throw it on the truck for you. He said no, I don’t want it. He’s hurt his back and it’s not feeling real good. He’s not doing a lot of flying. And he said: I’m just not gonna mess with it, you just keep it. It’s like, okay, he’s not doing well.

[01:17:46] Yeah, I am too, but anyway, I’ve now got this soft with pup that I’ve been sitting on for a year. I said, well, it’s, it’s definitely mine. Now we’re gonna go ahead and fly it, so I take it out to the field. It’s not exactly a complicated airplane, but it’s very difficult to put together. Oh, I watched.

[01:18:05] You and that made me cry for you I mean did you did you see why did you have to do that in front.

[01:18:12] Of Ron I keep he’s so anti-biplane as it is and now if I were to just to put it together as a stock.

[01:18:20] Model. It’d be fine, but I’ve got all the scaled struts and wires and all the extra stuff that goes along with it and I was taking a quiz the whole time I was putting it together.

[01:18:32] Yeah, that’s right, my brother was out there and a friend or not a friend, a guy he works with, I guess a friend- lives a couple blocks from the field and had never been there, so he had him come on down. Oh, I didn’t know. You guys knew him. Yeah, he worked with my brother, okay, at the county there, and he brought his children out, one of which was a nine-year-old little boy.

[01:18:57] Oh I’m, yeah. Yeah, this is the same little kid that was asking to fly all of our airplanes. Yes, I, I don’t know, I was busy, yeah well, but I mean it was that day. Yes, yeah, same kid, that kid. Yeah, all right, I thought that was the guy that owns one of the ultralights that hangers it. I did. I see him out there and he looked very similar. So I thought, oh well, he’s got right. That’s yeah, okay, now it’s all.

[01:19:21] Coming. So he is giving me a history quiz because he thought the airplane was a camel and I can see that the pups and camels look very similar. I thought it was a camel and then, based on the striping on the tail, he thought it was french and then, no, it’s just reverse for the british. I’m good for him for knowing that, because I don’t even know. He was popping off facts at me that no nine-year-old should ever know about world war ii aircraft. Okay, and then all of a sudden he got in the bright idea that start giving me a quiz while I’m trying to figure out all these flabbergasted wires on this airplane that are now tangled up and I can’t get them untangled.

[01:19:55] This and you got a nine-year-old quizzing you on your aircraft history so name three blah.

[01:20:02] I can’t let a nine-year-old beat me, okay, heavens, no. So yeah, I’m a bit of a aircraft history buff, so I’m pretty good at this. But yeah, so I got all these cables and starts to figure out it’s a brand new airplane, that we’d even had the cowl off. I was having to put the cowl on it because we ran up the engine. I put a new carburetor on it because it wasn’t running right, so we put a new carb on it. What engines on that? Just no 26. Okay, the magneto, my go-to. Yeah, so I’ve had

[01:20:34] To put the cowl on. I’ve had to bolt this complicated airplane together with the struts and the wheels, and because you even have to take the wheels off this thing to put the wing on it, and then all these cables. It’s terrible, it’s bad. Yeah, it’s. It’s not one you want to put together when it’s 100 degrees.

[01:20:48] Outside and then you’re having to answer trivia questions from the nine-year-old screw up and not.

[01:20:53] Get it wrong. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, finally we got through the quiz show portion. I guess I got complimentary prize or something, I don’t know. Yeah, you flew your airplane. Yeah, well, that’s good because

[01:21:05] That ties that ties in nicely to the message at the very beginning of this podcast safety I was.

[01:21:12] Being distracted to the max. Yeah, with a brand new, complicated airplane. Yeah, so I was having to think extremely hard. Yeah, it’s like these game shows where they turn you upside down or something. But you did it and you flew it very well. Yeah, it flew great. Actually it was my best maiden that I’ve had with one of the balsa usa world war one. The very little trim involved in it, yeah. Yeah, it looked like it looks very good. Yeah, so great flyer. Thank you, ed. I really appreciate it. If you’re ever up here, come get your damn airplane.

[01:21:42] And he won’t, he won’t, he won’t. It’s yours for perpetuity. Now, perpetuity? Yeah, nice, I like that. I know, I thought I’d throw that out there just for funsies. Yeah, hey, so I just want to throw a plug.

[01:21:53] In there to for our facebook page. All the cool stuff that all five of you guys are listening to us talk about out there, you can keep up with us on facebook. We try to. We try to post on facebook whenever we do something cool- I go out and fly, or whatever- so that’s a good place to go to try to keep up with us. If you’re dying for content, to see what we’re doing, you can usually see what we’re doing on facebook, on our facebook page. I should say we’ve been doing some more lately, so there’s been a few more posts. Yes, so, and don’t forget the discord. Yeah, and just join the discord server, man, that’s that.

[01:22:26] Place is hopping, it’s hard for me to catch up. Sometimes it’s fun. Yeah, there’s a lot of good conversations going there and it’s nice to learn about good information that comes out of that. That’s.

[01:22:36] I said, there’s a lot of good stuff to learn, so I’ve enjoyed it good deal. I also wanted to see or say: did you guys hear, by the way, that the ama price is going up? Of course it is well. Why wouldn’t it go up, right? Yeah, so it’s going up to 85 bucks a year. Well, that’s 75, now, right, 78, 78. Oh, so it’s going up to 85. But there’s supposed to be a discount for two and now a three-year membership, but they haven’t said what the discount is going to be yet. So at least at the

[01:23:09] At the recording time. Now they haven’t said what the three-year discounted rate is going to be, so I just renewed last month, so that was due in july. I think I’m good till december. I think, yeah, I’ll have to look, all right, well, anything else you want to talk about, or are we ready to get out?

[01:23:29] Of here it’s been long yeah it says I apologize for the long episode but we’ve been busy we have.

[01:23:34] Lots to talk about well thank you everybody for listening until next time I’m Ron I’m Tom and I’m.

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