Ep 126: Rob Pemberton

[00:00:04] Hello everyone and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I’m Tom, I’m Ron and I’m dave and I’m rob. All right, it’s the international version of the podcast. This time we’ve got rob pemberton on.

[00:00:22] The line with us all the way from australia. Yeah, that’s our first time we’ve gone down under. Yeah, yeah, I’m standing on my head, by the way. Yeah, we’re kind of upside down. Yeah, so we’re all facing the.

[00:00:33] Same way unfortunately we got we got rob out of bed early on his sunday morning to record with us.

[00:00:39] Thanks rob for being with us that’s right I’m used to living on my head so I’m pretty normal.

[00:00:45] Yeah, this is so like I was gonna say this. It’s hard for me to get my mind wrapped around this. It’s five o’clock at night on a saturday, here we are recording and it’s eight o’clock sunday morning, where he is. Yeah, sunday morning, yeah. So what happens between now and then? Oh, he can’t he.

[00:01:03] Can’t tell the future well I’m in the future I think you’ve got to tell the future that’s oh.

[00:01:08] That’s right. Yeah, I’m so behind. Or we’re living in the past or we’re. Yeah, I’ve always been slow, yeah, we. Well, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna argue with you. So, rob, how are you? Why don’t you tell us a?

[00:01:20] Little bit about yourself. Well, hello everyone. So, rob pemberton, I’ve been in the hobby for a couple of a couple of years now. I thought I’d look for a bit of a online resource for rc plane information at the start of last year, and I was. I was into podcasts a lot of the time and guess what I found? I found you guys. Sorry about that, apologies. Yeah. Yeah, it’s been a detriment ever since, but yes, I started listening avidly because I found that there’s not much in the

[00:01:56] Way of information out there, written down anywhere, about the hobby that’s. That’s really kind of- I guess you’d call it an authoritative source. So I was trying to find information about stuff generally and you guys were actually a really good avenue for that. Well, thank you, I would not call us.

[00:02:14] Authoritative. I was just getting ready to go there, yeah, but yeah, that was kind of our goal. One of our goals when Ron approached me about doing this was basically kind of codifying information, putting it out there, especially for folks that were, just like you, just getting into the hobby. So I’m glad you found us and hopefully we’ve been helpful.

[00:02:33] Yeah, actually you’ve been really helpful and you mightn’t remember I actually put a question into one of your question shows about setting thrust angles. Yeah, thrust angles correct, and that was actually quite useful, so I’ve incorporated that into the plane. I was talking

[00:02:51] About so thank you very much for that sweet I love to hear when people say hey what you said.

[00:02:58] Made sense and I use it and it worked I love that’s better than I heard what you said and I use.

[00:03:03] It and it didn’t work right yeah you’re my plane Tom yeah thankfully not all right you can expect.

[00:03:12] That in about 10 years or so you’ve been in the hobby by rowboat yeah a couple of years what.

[00:03:21] Airplane did you start with, if you don’t mind me asking. So I started with the, the, the, the good old hobby zone aeroscout s, the little 1.1 Meter one. That’s a little electric pusher, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little electric pusher bought it as a, bought it as an rtf, with the whole, with the whole kit, and that was my. That was my first proper one. So I’ve had, I guess, dalliances with, with rc planes over the years, but this is the first time I’ve tried to do it properly. So, yeah, that was my.

[00:03:53] First one. So I’m I’m not familiar with what transmitter that comes with. What in the rtf version transmitted that or did you get that’s? That’s the dxe, dxe, okay, yeah, so a good starter, but not a not one to stick with you over time. Yeah, surprisingly good little flyer actually, but

[00:04:12] Yeah I guess the your first plane and you then move on from there yeah not a not a transmitter.

[00:04:19] You would probably grow with right yeah I think yeah exactly yeah and that’s I mean that’s how it.

[00:04:24] Was with me when I got my first hobby zone. That came with the dx4, which was for what it was for, that airplane. It worked fine, but, yeah you, not multiple or not multiple model memory, and it really was not suited for anything more range-wise than a small park flyer. Yeah so, but so as the story goes here in,

[00:04:43] The states anyway, like the, the kind of the, the progression is you go to a hobby shop and somebody at the hobby shop sells you an airplane and you go and fly it and learn. Is that, is that?

[00:04:54] Kind of the same experience in australia. Pretty much yeah so. So I’m sure we’ll talk about it later, but we have we have a club system governed by a national body, very similar to you guys. But I actually didn’t start by going to a club, I just started in my local park, okay, which had mixed results. Also a common, a common theme here in the states. Yeah, yeah, common, common theme, common theme. But the mixed results did, I guess, give me the taste and I was pretty keen, so I

[00:05:30] I up my up my transmitter game to a dx8e. There you go and bought real flight and did a lot of real light and a lot of practice at home and up to my up my hanger to two, with a or three, actually with two- umx’s, got a turbo timber and a little umx radian as well and flew them. How do you like that one, the radian I, I think I think this stands for me, my experiences.

[00:06:06] With both the radian and the turbo timber was they’re really good if it’s like no wind, so not even not even low wind, like essentially I’d have to get out at like six o’clock in the morning for the things to not get thrown around, because I found, as soon as I flew after that, particularly the timber really affected by wind. So, yeah, yeah, because I thought about getting one of the, the umx radians.

[00:06:31] For flying around here and I just haven’t pulled the trigger on it yet because that I think that one.

[00:06:36] Flies on the. That’s a what s 150. Yeah, one of those little 150, yeah, slab pack things, yeah, which they’re a dime, a dozen, I mean pretty much. Yeah, exactly. So. So I got a few of them and actually it flies pretty well for what it is and it does do with, I think it actually deals with when wind may be better than the timber, but it goes all right for what it is. Yeah, that’s that’s.

[00:06:59] Interesting to me because there’s no ailerons on there right yep yeah it’s just a classic.

[00:07:04] Two-channel or three-channel yeah glider so and then what sorry not to dive too much into that.

[00:07:10] Airplane, but, like I said I, it’s one that I had thought about before. What holds the wings on? Is that, like I? Is that one that fits in the box, like as a whole airplane? Yeah, it’s, it’s a whole, the whole.

[00:07:21] Airplane in the box. Oh sorry, no, it’s two piece and you slide. So there’s the, the, the fuselage has got like a, a cut out of the of the, the wing, and you slide the wing into the fuselage and then hold it in place with a single screw and it’s. It’s pretty. To be honest, it’s pretty flimsy. I don’t know how long it’d last if you were flying it regularly. That was part of the reason I moved away from it. It was like I’m gonna break this thing, just sort of carrying it around and using

[00:07:51] It rather than even crashing. So okay it’s, you could probably sit and you could definitely sit and fix it, but it’s a it’s a very lightweight build, so it’s- yeah, I don’t know how long it’d last.

[00:08:02] Like day-to-day use kind of thing. Yeah, well, that’s good information. By the way, yeah, that makes me think that maybe I don’t want to, don’t necessarily need to get something. It’s a one-piece wing that slides in.

[00:08:13] From one side and then locks down with one screw yeah correct okay I got it all right yeah that’s.

[00:08:18] Probably not something you want to fly around here yeah probably not that’s okay cool well thank you.

[00:08:22] For that, by the way. So, rob, did you have you mentioned, kind of kind of starting off on your own, what? What actually like, I would be curious to know, like what you said. You had a few other experiences with rc planes, but what like, really, what was your impetus to get started?

[00:08:39] What really got you going? Yeah, so I’ve I’ve. It’s been something that’s interested me as long as I can remember and I’ve kind of had waxing and waning interest in it, and I’ve had a couple of a number of planes over the years like kind of not hobby grade but sort of toy grade model, remote control models that have never, never really worked very well. I got a two channel glider years ago I flew a fair bit of, but that then I sort of lost interest in.

[00:09:14] That and went on to other things. I guess I just got my interest was on a waxing path in 2020. I thought I’d be keen to give it a go and just went for it. Really, it was just a case of me saying I think I’ll do this and have a go properly, really, so it wasn’t really. Yeah, it was just. It was just kind of burgeoning interest in something that I was already interested in, I guess, and actually deciding to do it properly. When you decided to make that jump, did you have?

[00:09:45] Anybody around to help you no it was me by myself so it was all internet research and google and.

[00:09:51] All that and yeah, off to the race. Internet research and then deciding on something that looked like a good, a good first plane, and then just going from there. Okay, right on. I think you made a good.

[00:10:02] Decision on your first plane. Yeah, for sure, the aeroscout with the safe and all that’s built into it, that’s. That’s very helpful for learning to fly. Yeah, yeah, it’s good to get away from that.

[00:10:11] By the way, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the yeah I mean, I mean I, I found actually moved away from safe, essentially from the first flight on, particularly having done some a fair bit of time on the simulator, right, I think once you’ve, once you’ve got that down, you can, you can move away from it and it just makes the whole thing, the whole experience, much, much better, I think moving away from safe.

[00:10:37] As quickly as you can. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think safe- really from my experience it really is only there to kind of help with orientation, do what I mean, because the only time you’re really going to use safe is if you’ve kind of lost orientation in the airplane, is diving for the ground or whatever, and like flying a simulator, you’re going to learn that. So, yeah, I’m not surprised that you went away from safe like almost right away after flying the simulator. Yep, yeah, actually the, the.

[00:11:05] The first time I flew the. So we’ll get to it, I’m sure. But I actually crashed the aeroscout the first time I flew it. Oh, we’re gonna get to that, oh, yeah for sure. And then had to buy a second aero scout but also got the turbo timber as like a. It’s not as costly as an aero scout and smaller, and I figured I could fly that first. So I actually did a lot of Tom on the simulator and flew the, flew the turbo timber first time and actually flew it on, essentially on expert.

[00:11:39] Mode from the start nice and kind of didn’t really use safe outside of like the first two minutes of flying it. So, yeah, moved right along with that. Yeah, so you touched on it and we can talk.

[00:11:52] About it more later. But do you? So? How do the flying clubs work there in australia is it? Is it like it is here, where it’s just basically a bunch of guys who get together, we form a club, form a committee, and then you, you sign on with the, with the, the governing organization. For us it’s it’s ama. Is it kind of the same idea, or is it just something completely different? No, it’s pretty much.

[00:12:14] The same thing. So we have most of the most of our clubs are relatively old, but there are. There are new clubs forming and it’s and it’s just through that you apply to the ama or the. Ours is called the m triple a, which is model aircraft association australia. They’ve been around for 75 years now. 75, 75Th anniversary this year, excellent, okay, and they, they in a similar way that you go to your ama ties in with the faa, ours, ours ties in with our version of the faa, which is called casa, which

[00:12:48] Is civil aviation safety authority and essentially does the same type of roles that the ama does for you guys, that m triple a does for us. Okay, so, yeah, you, you organize, set up your club through the m triple a and then you can you go through a process of having flying locations authorized through casa as well. Sounds very, very similar. Yeah, very much stuff being regulated as much as we are like through the faa. Yeah, so we’re, we’re going, we’re about to head into the whole

[00:13:22] Registration thing here as well, but we’ve- we’re in a similar way to you guys, I think we’ve got a. We’ve got dispensation where m triple a members flying at m triple a recognized clubs don’t need any registration. The registration thing seems to be targeted mainly at people driving flying drones like multi-copters right out in the, out in the, the public environs, rather than at a club. So, yeah, it looks like we’re going to be spared any of that, but we’ll wait and see, I guess. Yeah, yeah, I’m.

[00:13:52] Hoping we’re along the same lines of that and it kind of seems like it’s going to be yeah, which I’m fine with that. That means really for us nothing is going to change. Yeah, pretty much, which is great.

[00:14:02] That’s yeah, yeah, and I mean that’s what’s great about having the m triple a is. I essentially just had me, as far as I’m aware, reading the stuff that comes out from the president is they met with caster and outlined the level of training that people do and the level of controls that are in place at a club, and they were happy that I was going to cover it. So, yeah, there you.

[00:14:21] Go. That sounds remarkably similar to what, yeah, to what we got going on. So, yeah, that’s good news. I think absolutely yeah. So if other organizations are sort of doing things the way our organizations are doing, then hopefully it all kind of goes that direction and stays simple. Yeah, I like that and

[00:14:39] That’s. That’s, to me, one of the important things about being a member of like ama here is the. The money that we pay is what funds all of that stuff? So, yes, we get some extra insurance protection and stuff that I don’t think they will ever pay out because there’s so many fine lines on it, which is that’s cool. But just having the, the, what, what’s the word? I’m looking for the communal power of all the members and stuff with the funds that they’re able to.

[00:15:10] Put towards things yeah the lobbying that’s the word I was looking for thanks that is what.

[00:15:15] Is kind of nice about it, I think. So, yeah, about, yeah, yeah, I agree. How big is the club that you fly with, like membership wise, it’s about a hundred. Oh, wow, oh, that’s really good, that’s awesome, yeah.

[00:15:27] So okay so I only ever see the same like eight people flying at any one time but yeah that’s there.

[00:15:34] Yeah, that was going to be my next question. Okay, so of the of the hundred or so, that like, how many are active? So yeah, that’s a, that’s a pretty common. I don’t know about you guys, but for us

[00:15:45] The, the demographics of the club is essentially retirees. I’m I’m 39 and I feel like I’m the youngest by like 10 years. It’s kind of funny actually. So I’m 52 and sometimes when I show up,

[00:15:57] For the morning gatherings yeah I am the youngest guy there so I know what you mean so but it.

[00:16:05] Means that I think there’s a lot of guys that fly through the week because I just fly on. I usually just fly on a sunday, yeah. So I got my little crew and we have the same guys who always turn up on a sunday, who see each other every week, but there are little crews that turn up. There’s like a crew that turns up on a tuesday, there’s a wednesday group, there’s there’s little groups that come all the time. So but it means I just never see those people, which is kind of funny. So of the hundred members of the club, I definitely not met a hundred. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so do you have monthly?

[00:16:33] Meetings then kind of the same as we do with our local clubs yeah yep and do you go to them.

[00:16:39] Because we don’t. We don’t, so we don’t really have club meetings per se. We actually we have committee meetings- I’ve actually joined the committee, which is pretty exciting, yeah- but so the committee is, the committee is pretty, pretty regular, but we don’t really have like club meetings per se. Oh okay, yeah have agms, but that’s about it. What’s agm? Annual, annual, annual general meeting.

[00:17:04] Oh, okay, so, and to me that makes so much more sense. It does. It really does, then- to gather the whole club every month. Just do it once a year to get the really big stuff out there and have your committee- just like he’s talking about- have your committee meet, get done what they need to get done and don’t require all the club members to be at the meeting. Well, they don’t require all of us to be at the

[00:17:24] Meeting it’s the option that we could go if we wanted to but we don’t that way that makes way.

[00:17:29] More sense. Yeah, no, that’s. Yeah, that’s a good setup too. So you mentioned that you- you tend to show up, and it’s always the same sort of group of guys that you fly with, and then there’s another group that shows up on tuesday mornings. The only opportunity you get to fly with them sometimes is like big events and stuff like that does your club put on, like annual fun flies or stuff like.

[00:17:50] That, yeah, we, we do. The two things we’ve done this year have been scale fly-ins, so essentially inviting any other members from other clubs in the in the area to come in and for like a weekend, do like a camping weekend and have a, have a social fly-in over the weekend and a bit of a, a bit of a like a scale aircraft modeling, competition kind of thing as a just like.

[00:18:23] An informal thing, cool, and actually it attracts quite a lot of people. So we get- I don’t know if you guys have, I’m sure you do- the real, the real diehards who turn up with like a, a massive enclosed trailer that looks like they’re going to a motocross weekend, like those guys turn up and camp over the weekend and pull out. There’s some really amazing planes. Oh yeah, we’re not going to mention

[00:18:45] Names. But yeah, we know those people. Yeah, how close are you to your field? Is it a pretty easy? Yeah, like 15 minute drive. Oh, that’s not bad. So when you do your like inter club, like, how many clubs would you say you could comfortably be a member of like? Do you have clubs that are close enough that?

[00:19:05] You could also be a member of what I mean, yeah, so I live in, I live in canberra in australia, and, and in our local area we’ve got three clubs, all of which, from my house, would be about a sort of- oh, it’s somewhere between a 15 and 30 minute drive, oh, awesome, that’s not bad at all, yeah, but, amusingly, three clubs, no hobby shops, zero hobby shops, really. Yeah, well, we’re.

[00:19:33] Kind of the same way here. I mean, we’ve we’ve got a couple hobby shops semi close, but nothing I would consider fully stocked hobby shops. Would you agree? Yeah, I would agree with that, nothing reasonable.

[00:19:45] Within well 120 kilometers yeah what is that miles 60 ish miles right yeah 70 miles something like.

[00:19:52] That, because we have. We have one like a, like a toy store that carries some basic hobby stuff and that’s it. And the next, the next hobby shop from us would be it’s it’s more like 300 kilometers, so sort of 100, and what’s that? 100 And 180 miles, something like that. That’s about a three hour drive.

[00:20:13] Then wow, yeah, yeah, wow. So he’s kind of same situation we are. Yeah, yeah, kind of he’s a little farther off than we are, we can get to a decent one within two hours. Yeah, and unfortunately the

[00:20:26] Distributorship right horizon doesn’t like have a big presence. They don’t have a facility in australia, so I imagine it’s not as simple as just getting on. They don’t on google.

[00:20:37] And ordering the stuff you need either. Right, we have. They’re pretty well stocked in. We’ve got a number of hobby shops around australia that do a lot of online stuff, so I just order almost everything online. But it’s all pretty much available from australian local hobby shops. That’s not shipping an international economy to get here, so it’s usually pretty good.

[00:21:01] Actually, okay, yeah, the eros scott wouldn’t have been. I mean, that would have been something I’m sure he purchased locally, instead of trying to ship it from the states. So, no, no, yeah, ship, ship from.

[00:21:10] Melbourne for that one, yeah right, but what I’m saying is like I don’t- I could be wrong, but I don’t think horizon has a distributorship in australia like they’ll. They’ll sell stuff to hobby shops or online retailers in bulk or whatever, but it’s not that you had like, if you send, if you had to send in a spectrum radio, would you send it to someplace in australia or would it have to come?

[00:21:29] To the states that would be going to the u.S and say they don’t have a warehouse in australia.

[00:21:33] I know they do in england, so I just didn’t know how far they were. Yeah, like everywhere else. Okay, I like that hand motion nobody saw. But yeah, that’s, that’s the, he’s drawn a globe everywhere else.

[00:21:46] You guys knew what I meant. Yeah, so cool. Yeah, so it sounds like it’s a. It’s a very similar kind of setup to here as far as the, the club organization and the and the organized sanctioning, sanctioning, I guess, the sanctioning bodies, kind of like fai or whatever, so neat. Well, that makes things simple, so our conversation will be very relatable. Yeah, it won’t.

[00:22:11] Be yeah I’ll understand what we’re talking about until we get into measurements and stuff.

[00:22:16] Yeah because yeah we still don’t really hang with the metric system here I think I’ve I think.

[00:22:22] I’ve converted everything into inches and ounces for you so when we when we talk planes I think.

[00:22:26] I’ve got everything good to go. Thank you very much. I kind of noticed that on your paperwork you were very thorough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And speaking of paperwork, I mean I didn’t want to bring it up yet.

[00:22:36] When we get to it we can we’ll talk about it your list is very I’m envious of how you have.

[00:22:42] Everything set up, we’ll get to that, okay. So one of my favorite subjects to talk about is: do you have a favorite crash story? I mean, I know you’ve only been in a short time, whatever, but

[00:22:55] Everybody’s got a crash story they can share, so listen to this: with my, with my diligent real flight usage and my diligent training, I’ve had one crash, and that was my aero scout on day one, and that’s it. That’s impressive and disappointing. You’re about to say no, no, I was not going to do some more. I need to fly a bit more crazy. Potentially well, but I mean honestly, though, that isn’t that the

[00:23:23] Point of a simulator though no that means it did its job it did its job yeah perfectly so but how did.

[00:23:29] You crash the aero scout so on day one he said day one that’s fine so not being a member of a.

[00:23:37] Club. I drove around the place and found a, a cricket pitch. So like a, like a sports field to fly in. Sports field is round, is ringed by trees, so get this thing off the ground. Do a couple of circuits around. And I was doing the, the classic starting to fly thing of trying to keep it low because it feels safer, right, keep it close to the ground. That way the damage is close to potential energy, right, potential energy, exactly. So I was doing that and that, plus a combination or a combination.

[00:24:12] Of that, plus first time flying, not really understanding the depth perception thing, clearly my aero scout was in front of the bank of trees when in fact it wasn’t. It was aligned with the bank of trees and it went into the trunk of a of a large eucalyptus tree at full power and just completely destroyed itself. At least it smelled good when you picked up the pieces.

[00:24:43] Yeah, so, yeah. So it was a. It was a, a couple of a couple of what I would call rookie errors that resulted in crash number one. But I guess I was a rookie, so it kind of makes.

[00:24:55] Sense, sure, and that’s been the only one. Yeah, don’t, don’t feel bad about that. I know like I’ve ended up in a tree with my first airplane and I don’t remember if I’ve ever told the story before or not. But cody, this has been many, many years ago my oldest son. We bought him. I don’t remember what it was like, a duet or something, maybe it was a hobby zone, or whoever e-flight made it was a. It was a little twin, electric, yeah, twin, I can’t remember, it doesn’t matter. So it was maybe a three.

[00:25:27] Foot wingspan, something like that, and it was ready to fly. It came with stone transmitter and everything, and so that was a christmas present and we went outside and I’ve got a video of this somewhere. I got to try and find it. We went outside and I told him I would fly it first to get it ready for him and then he could take it over. So I threw it and I took off. Everything was going great made. My first turn came around about 10 seconds after I took off. It was in a tree and we could not get it down for like four days. So, yeah, poor cody, maybe that’s what turned him off of the whole thing. Well, it could be.

[00:26:00] Maybe that’s why he has no interest in it now, because you crashed his plane before he could fly it. Yeah, and crash it, that’s. Is that the one? That’s the one we used to fly out the field, we used to run out there and he used to go out there and grab it out of the sky and yeah, yeah, oh yeah, once it came.

[00:26:13] Out of the tree it was fine but it just stayed up there for a while and yeah all right cool kid.

[00:26:18] Well, that’s disappointing, but also, it’s very it’s a good thing. Yeah, it’s a good thing. Yep, you did. Yep seems to have worked. Yeah, it makes for a boring story, but that’s okay. So do you guys do.

[00:26:35] Swap meets there. Yeah, we do so, not, not in, not in- maybe not in the same way that you guys do- is that there’s not like a, an event at a, at a convention center or something, but it’s more like a bit lower, it’s sort of smaller scale, like clubs. You’ll put on swap meets and you just go to the club. That’s by far what we have around here. Yeah, that’s. Yeah, that’s the norm. Yeah, the big, the

[00:26:59] Big events at the convention centers those are few and far between but yeah I don’t think.

[00:27:06] We’ve got the size here to do that but we do like club swap meets pretty regularly actually so.

[00:27:10] Neat yeah quite good yeah a lot of exchanging hands of airframes from one person to the next to.

[00:27:18] Get the new experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah maybe. Maybe a lot of sometimes just trying to get rid of foist your junk onto someone else potentially. We find that it’s a good place to.

[00:27:30] Go and bulk up your collection? Yeah, absolutely, because you can get airplanes usually pretty cheap at a swap meet. Yeah, yeah, so if you’re looking to get more airplanes, that’s a good place to do it normally. Oh, I agree. Okay, so I’m looking at your list and I see mostly ready to fly and rf type stuff. So this kind of this next question is kind of silly. But do you prefer to tinker with?

[00:27:53] Your airplanes or do you prefer to actually fly I? So I thought about this. I think the answer is fly. Okay, though. That being said, I am. I have done a lot of thinking about and tinkering with the ones I’ve got, so I’ve actually I’m pretty keen to try building. I haven’t built any planes yet, but I’ve got a couple of kits- one sitting ready to go and a couple more than I’m intending to order. So I think I’m I’m kind of- I’m not sure if I’m a builder, but I like the tinkering.

[00:28:29] Aspect in terms of like figuring out, figuring out electronic setups and radio setups and stuff like that, sitting for a long time sanding balsa. Maybe not so much, but I’ll give it a go and see how.

[00:28:43] I go it’s not it’s not for everyone and I we get that but yeah you don’t know till.

[00:28:49] You try it exactly yeah exactly yeah so since you brought that up balsa or foam oh yeah or don’t.

[00:28:56] Care, I would, I would my, my tick would be a balsa, but I gotta, I gotta admit, man, foam is easy, isn’t it? It is there’s, there’s this, there’s like really good options out there, particularly the good looking options. Yeah, like the pnps where you can just you just get it chuck in a receiver, all the bnfs like it’s just, it’s just ready and like really well priced you couldn’t build.

[00:29:23] It for that money. So well, right, especially if you prefer flying. I mean, what? What better way to do it than to get something that you don’t have to tinker with at all? You just put a battery in it and off you go. Other guys, they just don’t fly as well as the boss ones. That’s all. I agree. We, yeah, we’ve.

[00:29:38] Said that many, many times, yeah, but I still can’t put my hand on what it is. But, yeah, I just. I like balsa better. Yes, it’s more rigid, less flex, things track straighter. Yeah, a bit more white. Do you think a bit more white as well? Not always, I mean, there are some. Some of these foamies that I’ve I’ve held are

[00:29:58] Pretty heavy for their size. Yeah, so I don’t know. Yeah, that 90 millimeter jet of mine is not lightweight, I think. Did you have you picked that thing up? I think it weighs like seven pounds it’s.

[00:30:09] It’s heavy for foam yeah and my f-15 is really heavy yeah I’ve picked that up and that is ridiculously.

[00:30:15] Heavy, yeah so yeah, there’s just something about balsa, but you’re right, the foam: there are some really attractive airplanes out there that are made of foam. Unfortunately, well, not.

[00:30:28] Unfortunately I mean it’s good because it gets more people into the hobby yeah I think true that’s.

[00:30:33] True so rob balsa or I’m sorry nitro electric or gas petrol yeah there so remember we’re.

[00:30:44] International today that’s right I’m I currently primarily fly nitro actually I love that but it’s.

[00:30:54] Really annoying I love that I fully understand what you’re saying so how is the pricing on nitro.

[00:31:01] I was gonna ask that too yeah so for us so a gallon would be thank you about 50 bucks.

[00:31:09] Holy smokes wow okay yeah so I would wait is that australian dollars or because there’s you call.

[00:31:17] Them yeah that’s a good point that’s a good point so I guess the what the conversion right now would be.

[00:31:22] About 35 40. Okay so that’s yeah that’s a little higher than what we pay here or 32 to 35 I would.

[00:31:28] Think yeah right depending on what kind of mood brian’s in well yeah depends when he gets that.

[00:31:33] In. That’s true, that’s what I mean. But, as you can see from my list, primarily electrics, yeah, but I think that’s primarily around what I’ve decided to purchase. That wasn’t really a decision like a conscious decision to not to not go one over the other. Yeah, I think I think long term I want to transition to a, to the Ron model of electric and gas petrol. I think it’s going to be the answer. Yeah, but I that being said, like for a 40 size plane, I think nitro nitrate kind of makes sense to me. But

[00:32:07] There’s a lot. I was gonna say there’s a lot of smaller motors and engines and whatever coming out and that size that I would like to try, and the 40 to 60 size- yeah, yeah, I mean of nitro that.

[00:32:19] Are gasoline powered. Is the new ssh engines? I think they’re doing a, a gas glow right, so it’s gasoline powered but it uses a glow plug. Still don’t know how that works- I don’t either, but I’m assuming it’s super high compression, but and they’re doing these in the in the popular 40 size, so I can see that might be a really good option. That’s potentially quite an attractive option there. Right, exactly, I know, yeah, so I’m I’m anxious to see how some reviews of those and see how they perform. I’m watching one guy right now on- not right now, but I mean currently on.

[00:32:53] Youtube. He’s got one of these and going through the break-in process so I can’t wait to see how it how it does so far. He says it’s promising. Doesn’t make as much power for a similar size but potential injury it’s not the same from alcohol to gasoline. So anyway, there’s some good options coming down the road in those smaller gas type and even evolution. I mean. Well, it’s not.

[00:33:19] Evolution anymore but there’s a whoever I forget who it is now side l or anyway there’s more options.

[00:33:28] Coming so it’ll be easier to go gas in the smaller airplanes over electric than it is currently so rob.

[00:33:35] Did you? Did you stick with spectrum after the aeroscout? Yeah, I did so as you. As, as you’ll see from my list, there’s a number of like bnf options there and with having, like having real flight as well, I think spectrum for me just makes sense for the moment and it’s it’s also kind of, I guess, the probably the most readily available system here through decent hobby shops. So I think it’s it’s where I’m at with at the moment, but I think I’m I want to do. I think I want to do.

[00:34:11] Some more complicated models. I’m going to run out of channels so I’m trying to think of like a, a where to go from here in terms of going to like a 10 plus channel receiver or transmitter and what, what I’d go with there, whether I stay with spectrum or switch to something else.

[00:34:27] Have you thought at all about doing like the open tx type stuff yeah I kind of have.

[00:34:34] Because you look at, you get like a 16 channel transmitter for a couple of hundred bucks right, which is which is pretty a pretty interesting option right there. It’s appealing, for sure, and I also I also kind of like how much you can tinker with. Like the open tx allows you to kind of tinker with your, with your, with your radius setup a bit more, and I kind of like that, that idea of tinkering and having a bit of freedom right. Yeah, if you’re into tinkering, that’s probably going to fit your bill really well, like just fiddling with it. It kind of appeals to me.

[00:35:05] Actually. But that being said, I was sitting, I’ve been sitting here thinking like seeing the nx, the nx series come out and think like, oh man, I wish, I wish they just did like an nx 14 or an nx 16, yeah, and now this ix thing’s been announced, so that maybe that, maybe that’s the.

[00:35:23] Answer if I can justify the money but yeah that’s the hard part yeah I fully understand that’s.

[00:35:29] A lot of money for a radio. Well, I don’t know a lot about the, the open tx type stuff, but I know that, like the radio master stuff you can, you can make that compatible with like the spectrum. What, however? That communication technology? Yeah, they have modules you can put into. Yeah, so, like different radio, so you wouldn’t be out all of your p and p stuff, right, so you’d be able to use the new radio master with your older spectrum stuff, right, yeah, and just have the, the dsmx protocol, right, exactly, module on it. Yeah, so that to me like way back in the day, and dave will probably

[00:36:03] Remember this. But when we, when you switch to brands, you pretty much had to re-outfit your entire fleet unless you kept your old transfer and then and then you got into the whole having two, three, four transmitters for different airplanes, whatever, because we didn’t have the model memories that we have now. But they’ve made it so easy, like you said, with the tinkering and the programming and stuff, to where you can make that one transmitter, your do-it-all transmitter. Well,

[00:36:28] Yes, but like, if you go from name brand to name brand, you’re still gonna have to change, like Futaba and spectrum don’t play well together, right? So if you go to a third party that says: okay, I figured out how they do this, I’ll work with you guys, that’s how you get that. Well, that’s what I’m.

[00:36:45] Saying like: if you, if you get a radio master transmitter, then you’ve pretty much solved all of your compatibility issues, because they’re all compatible with that one transmitter. I see what you’re.

[00:36:56] In the name brand to name brand comparison. Okay, I mean, like the, the main overview, where you have, like the, your fast and spectrum spread, spectrum stuff and all that, those are proprietary to that brand. Yes, whereas radio master is just saying I will make something to work with it, right? Yeah, what I was saying was like, if you were gonna, I’m sorry. You said, when you switch brands, like to me, radio master and I.

[00:37:26] Maybe I’m way off on my thinking on this, but I look at that as kind of like a, a third party. Let’s figure other people’s stuff out, yes, whereas the main, like radio brands, yes, are still only playing.

[00:37:40] Well with themselves, correct, gotcha? What I’m saying is I think we’re on the same page, but we don’t know it. If what. What I’m? I’ll try to put it simply. I’m saying: if you switch from spectrum to fitaba, you pretty much have to re-outfit your entire fleet. You do that’s exactly what I said, yes, and I’m saying: you do yes, and instead of going for, say, switching from spectrum to fitaba, you switch from spectrum to radio master. Now you have a radio master that does all of it. You don’t have to re-outfit your entire, it can talk to everybody, right? That’s what I was getting at, okay, okay, so anyway, the only downside I can see:

[00:38:16] With switching to radio master is. I don’t know if ford programming works with spectrum. Oh yeah, that’s a good question. You’ve probably noticed more and more the newer spectrum receivers. You need to do things in ford programming, the forward programming that you can’t really do.

[00:38:35] Otherwise, yeah, so that might be a bit of an issue. I’ll be honest, Ron probably knows more about that than I do. I don’t even know what forward programming is. All that means is on your transmitter. You can.

[00:38:45] Change settings that it saves on the receiver. Oh okay, handy, yeah, so if you don’t have a, a transmitter that can talk to the receiver that way, then it’s kind of pointless. Then you’re still saving it on the.

[00:38:59] Transmitter under the model memory yeah so what’s the advantage no there’s stuff yeah in receivers.

[00:39:09] That have got, like AS3X or any kind of. There’s a bunch of stuff that you can fiddle within the receiver that you actually can’t. It’s difficult to do that without having ford programming setup.

[00:39:25] Yeah, any of the receiver base stuff is what you change or what you can change with ford programming, like you said, AS3X with gains and all that. Oh, okay, setting it up. Yeah, something positive. Okay, it has nothing to do with your transmitter. I got you okay. Yeah, because the old way of doing.

[00:39:39] That would have been with the with the lights and the and all that now you can do it from your.

[00:39:43] Transmitter or cable if you cable yeah oh that’s it now I can see the advantage in that oh yeah it’s a.

[00:39:49] Lot easier in the old way. And rob, you’re saying that potentially the radio master stuff or the proprietary or non-proprietary stuff, I should say may or may not be compatible with that. Yeah, I don’t.

[00:40:00] Know it is or not but I think that’d be a that’d be a bit of a sticking point for me potentially sure.

[00:40:05] We got a lot of people yelling at the podcast right now saying either it is or it isn’t.

[00:40:09] But I’ve never used it so I don’t know yeah well we’ll probably hopefully get an email to enlighten.

[00:40:15] Us there you go let us know actually good question yeah or a good thing to say let us know if that.

[00:40:20] Works or not rob do you have a favorite airplane like an airplane that is always with you when you.

[00:40:24] Go to the field now. The one, the one I probably fly the most, is my 40 trainer, so low wings called a phoenix scanner low wing trainer, and that’s the one that gets flown the most. Yeah, probably the.

[00:40:39] Most fun because it’s balsa and nitro just saying I’m just saying so it’s kind of like.

[00:40:46] Sticking all the boxes have you owned a stick yet no I’ve not now I’ve thought about that actually.

[00:40:52] Yeah okay well they come highly recommended I understand by you especially.

[00:40:59] It’s literally the best airplane ever. I mean, oh man, that’s, I mean it is it just it does everything. Well, so, except for look like a real airplane- well, I mean, it’s got a wing and a tail and an engine and wheels. It looks like an airplane to me, all right. Well, so I’m, I’m the, I’m the outlier, I guess. Well, that’s why they’re called ugly sticks. Well, they aren’t terribly attractive, but they fly, well they do. That’s why I have a sweat wing version of it. You do, yeah, called a blue max, so would you also?

[00:41:33] Say that your scanner is your go-to. Yeah, I think so. Yep, even with the cost of nitro, yeah, yep, I’m so glad to hear you say that because it’s not electric. So many times people’s go-to airplanes are electric and I, oh I totally understand why. It’s simple, easy, you can throw it in the car, you don’t have to worry about dragging the, the field box and all that. But I’m so glad to hear because my go-to is my stick. I mean os 46, whatever, the oh so go-to. You don’t even

[00:42:07] Remember what motor is in it well it’s an la 46 okay smarty pants it’s the blue one I was thinking.

[00:42:13] Fp but I couldn’t get la out of my mouth so because fp is the old version of the la’s dave knows what I’m.

[00:42:19] Talking about the bushing engine. What I am, what I usually do, is take two. You’ll take a, I’ll take an electric, and the nitro, and it means that you can fly the electric and while the batteries are.

[00:42:29] Recharging, you can fly the nitro. Yeah, that’s a good strategy. That is a good strategy. I like that. I always try to take at least two with me because, based on my track history, especially this summer, at least one I’m not going to be working. Yeah, so I always want to make sure I have at least

[00:42:44] A backup to try to fly, or you could take one and leave fred at home. You try that. Yeah, I don’t think fred the dog will let you leave without him, especially if he knows there are airplanes in the truck and his frisbees are in the truck. We’ll leave the frisbees at home. Maybe mom will play with.

[00:43:01] Them no okay I was gonna say that it was wow.

[00:43:10] All right, okay, do you have anything that you’re working on right now, rob, like anything on the bench? I know I’m looking at your list and we’ll get to that, but do you have anything that like? So we have a where we live, we have a definite flying season and building season and we’re we’re kind of getting out of flying because winter’s coming. Do you have that sort of thing?

[00:43:34] Where you live or can you fly like all year round? Well, we can pretty much fly all year round, so jealous. Majority of places, yeah, coming into summer there are. There are sort of seasons where we get quite high winds around canberra, which makes it a bit difficult, but coming into when we’re coming into summer now, so it’s. I think it’s going to be peak flying season coming shortly. Nice. I’ve actually been away from home for a number of months now due to family reasons, so I’ve not actually touched.

[00:44:05] The plane. So I’m very keen to get back and sure and get into, get into, get into doing some stuff I need to finish. I’ve got a chipmunk off sitting there with like all the components ready to go, everything that I’m really keen to get on and get, get done and get in, get in the air, and it’s so refreshing to.

[00:44:24] See a chipmunk in something other than the art show paint scheme or the canadian air force training.

[00:44:29] Scheme, yeah, and that’s actually a model of a real plane, that still flies to this day, that’s awesome, that chipmunk in that color. So that’s it’s sitting. I think it’s in private.

[00:44:41] Hands in the uk somewhere so it looks like you’re going to put a dle 20 on the on the chippy.

[00:44:48] Yeah, yeah, dle 20s, I mean it’s got that. It’s got that quite a narrow nose. So I figured that having the, the inline exhaust, would work well, and it should be, should be plenty.

[00:45:00] Of power for that thing so yeah that’s what I put in my p40 with a narrow nose and it fit perfectly.

[00:45:05] Yeah, yeah, nice, it should be a really good combination because that’s not a very heavy airplane, so that should fly really well. I would say, yeah, I think I think the model built up.

[00:45:14] It’s meant to be about five kilos, so call that sort of 12 pounds or something like that. So yeah, it should be. It should be really good.

[00:45:24] I’m reading the comments that you put on the spreadsheet so 3d printed pilots.

[00:45:31] Yeah, I’ve. I went a bit, may have overthought this one slightly, so I’ve gone for 3d printed pilots made by a company in the uk because I realized that this plane is a. The model they’ve, they’ve gone with, isn’t just like a, an indicative model of a plane, it’s actually the registration of a real chipmunk that still exists and was in british army air corps service all through the 60s and the 70s. So I’ve actually gone for scale pilots of british army air corps.

[00:46:07] Pilots doing their flight training in the sort of mid 60s. So I even went to the point of figuring out, like what, what helmets they would wear and what color their gear was and all that sort of stuff. And with a pink bag style helmet, yeah, yeah, so that’s awesome, it should actually look. Should look pretty scale when it, when it’s all put together. Yeah, even to the point of the, the trainee pilots would wear silver helmets because they were like the, just the, the ones they had a bulk amount of that they could just give to the trainees, whereas the instructors would have their own proper white helmet. So I went and figured out, like what, what in-service british helmets they were in the.

[00:46:43] 60S and the 70s and incorporated that into the, into the custom one. So this- this company in the uk just does 3d printing, 3d printed pilots, which means you can pretty much do what you want with them. Nice, so customized, custom painted the whole bit, so it should look really good. Yeah, so Ron.

[00:47:02] Downloaded a app, right? What? No, oh the well. You bought a printer, 3d printer. And, yeah, lori, my wife downloaded the, the 3d camera app scanning app. So Ron is going to 3d print. We’re going to try us so that we can put us and our model airplanes. Yes, that’s the plan. I don’t know if it’s going to work, but yeah, I’m actually looking forward to that. At first I was like man, that’s kind of cheesy, but then, the more I thought about it- you mentioned it tonight about putting a pilot in my cub- it.

[00:47:32] Absolutely needs a pilot, and that pilot better be me. It is. Yeah, I agree, and you better be making a scared face. Oh well, of course, of course, because I’m always on the verge of crashing, right, I wouldn’t say that. Anyway, it’s so cool. Scared, I like it. Yeah, that’ll. That’ll be a good, good looking chipmine. I mean it already is, but with the real pilot or the scale pilots in there, I think that’ll be really cool. It’ll be one worthy of taking to your scale competitions. Well, I think.

[00:47:57] Actually, funnily enough, someone else brought that same model to the sale scale competition- the last one we had- so, but mine’s gonna be better of, of course, done some other bits and bobs, got more accurate wheels and stuff like that, like that as well. So nice, pretty good, yeah, yeah, I like it.

[00:48:12] So that’s what you’re that’s probably next on the list to work on then yep that’s the.

[00:48:18] Next one. Okay, I think I might try actually doing a, a build after that, which is a, an e-res glider. I think I’ll try an e-res glider. It’s it’s my first build attempt. Might be a little bit ambitious, so there’s lots of carbon fiber and stuff in there. But yeah, I’m up for the challenge. Why not? I’ll give.

[00:48:38] It a go well you won’t know until you try yeah exactly right it should go together fairly.

[00:48:43] Easily from what I’m looking at here on your on your list because it looks like the tail.

[00:48:48] Boom is just carbon fiber, yeah, just, and you just epoxy it in, or epoxy it in at the, at the fuselage end and the tail surfaces are actually held in with little carbon stakes, so it should.

[00:49:03] Be should be pretty straightforward, I think. Yeah, just a safety tip for you working with carbon fiber: make sure you wear a respirator or something. You don’t want to breathe that dust. Yeah, I don’t.

[00:49:14] Think I think they pre-cut all the parts so it’s actually it should be hopefully I can just avoid.

[00:49:19] That whole thing yes that’s that’s pretty nasty on your lungs yeah that’d be awesome spoiler too.

[00:49:26] Yeah, I like that. All right, so we keep referencing your list. I’m gonna go ahead and, yeah, let’s just get to it. I’m gonna get to it. Yeah, I have so many good airplanes here. So, by the way, I’m just gonna comment on the, on the formatting of your list. I really like it. Yeah, I’ve got to up my list game now. Yeah, yeah, I, and I’m not. I don’t like it enough to change mine because I have so much stuff on mine, but the having the picture next to the, the model name, I love that, by the way. And

[00:49:58] Then the notes yeah okay so I’m just gonna get after it here so your total number up on a you’ve got me.

[00:50:04] Up on a sunday morning and I actually did this list specifically for you guys. Oh really, man, this looks like something you’ve been working on, so he just threw this together. Yeah, that means I- you guys suck- really don’t have a bad job on mine, yeah, so I do a lot of, I do a lot of generating tables like this for work. So, okay, yeah, it was just kind of well, I don’t feel so bad through it together. I still feel.

[00:50:26] Kind of bad that you went through all this work just for us. I appreciate that. So your total number is 11, which is a respectable number, especially having been flying for two years. Ish, yeah, cool, yeah, just under two years. That’s pretty respectable. More than I had, I mean, yeah. So, yeah, my first- I think first- 11 years in the hobby. I think I only had like three airplanes. So, yeah, got me beat by far. All right, so we’ll start with the. I’ll start with the ones that you have ready to fly. Okay, we got the phoenix.

[00:50:58] Scanner, which we’ve already talked about. That’s your go-to, that one’s got an os 46 on it. Yeah, baby nitro. Yeah, and I agree it’s a good 40 size low wing trainer. Probably flies a lot like a stick, only a low wing. It looks a lot like a super sportster. It does it kind of does. Yeah, I like the. I like the.

[00:51:19] Color scheme the red white and blue all right it makes it easy to say yeah which is quite good yep the.

[00:51:24] Contrast yep I like that okay next we got a durafly ef extra from what I remember those are those are.

[00:51:31] Speedy little suckers. So actually I actually bought this as a bit of a bit of a high speed, low cost project, okay. So it comes 3s and 4s capable, but the motor will go to 6s. So I’ve actually in the process of converting that to a 6s setup here. That’s going to be a thing I’m going to do for this for the upcoming flying period as well. So, oh boy, yeah, 6s on like a 60 amp, I think 80 amp actually.

[00:52:01] 80 Amp bsc and like a 1300 milliamp battery. So real lightweight setup. Yeah, I think it’s got a small thing with a screaming and it’s gonna. It’s got like a five and a half inch carbon prop. I’ve got to go on there, so that sounds cool. It’s gonna be. Wow, it’s gonna be a little bloody hornet. Yeah, when the

[00:52:18] Thing gets going yeah awesome okay you’re definitely gonna have to let us know how that pans.

[00:52:23] Out. There’s actually. There’s actually some if you go on youtube and if you just youtube ef, extra success. There’s some videos of people flying them on success and they, they. It’s impressive and

[00:52:36] The airframes are they can take that kind of speed and loading so they actually they actually.

[00:52:41] Tell you how to do this the 6x the 6s conversion in the manual oh no kidding so they’ve kind.

[00:52:48] Of designed it with this in mind. So it sounds like yeah, so I can say so, speaking from experience from my the, the e-flight v900 that I have. It’s a blast on four cells, it’s designed to handle four cells and it’s fast. But the it doesn’t fly the same on four cells as does three, like that extra speed and loading. You can see, remember the picture you took, stuff flexing at their speed. So my concern would be the airframe. But it sounds to me like they’ve they’ve designed it to handle that.

[00:53:17] So you have to go for it and they tell you how to do it that’s probably good I’m probably going to get.

[00:53:21] On youtube and check that out, because, yeah, little screaming foam airplanes are pretty cool, all right. So next on the list: everybody’s seems like they’ve owned one of these. Need flight t28. This is the 1.1 Meter, just an all-around good flying airplane for what it is. Well, Ron has. No, I don’t one. Yeah, I know, dave has owned one, at least one, not the small one, I’ve got the big one. Oh really, I’ve never had one. Well, I stand corrected. Wow, everybody. Yeah, so have you owned one? I’ve flown.

[00:53:50] Several so you’ve never owned so you said it seems like everybody owns one but seems like no one.

[00:53:54] Knows one. Seems like everybody who has been a guest on the show owns that. We don’t. How about that? Is that better? That’s okay. Okay, all right. Next we have a dynam f6 hellcat. This is the pnf version. That’s a 50 inch. I’m not familiar with this one. Yeah, I’ve been around for a while. I.

[00:54:13] Bought this second hand actually and you will notice from the picture that the guy bought it off has actually done it up in a in a royal navy okay color scheme rather than a rather than a us color scheme, so it’s a bit different, bit individual. I bought it actually to just to try and teach myself how to fly a tail drag because you’ll notice, with the aero scout- and I flew the, the t28 after the aero scout, okay as my primary- that I’ve done a lot of tricycle undercarriage.

[00:54:44] And not really done much in the way of the tail dragger. So I wanted to get something to get used to it prior to, prior to getting the chipmunk out, because I definitely didn’t want to, didn’t want to crash my bloody sure very nice chipmunk with a dealing on the front of it. So I wanted to get something a bit cheaper to practice with. So it goes all right. I found that the undercarriage is a little bit flimsy for just like doing touch and goes constantly. So I’ll, actually we’ll get further down the list. I’ve got a, I’ve got another plane. I’ve bought to specifically

[00:55:16] Practice with the tail dragger okay that leads me to a question I forgot to ask you at your club field.

[00:55:22] What? What sort of surface is the runway so? Funnily enough it’s. It’s a bit of a funny one. We’ve actually got a. The runway surface is flattened dirt and on top of the flattened dirt they’ve put down conveyor belt material out of a paper mill. Yep, we, we’ve still. We’re not unfamiliar with that.

[00:55:43] As well I know I and that one of the clubs I flew out as a kid that’s exactly what we used except it.

[00:55:48] Was on top of grass so it was lumpy. Yeah, so this is, this is quite. Apparently, this is quite. This has been quite common in all the clubs around our area because there was one paper mill that everyone went and got the conveyor belt material from sure. So yeah it’s, it’s been like that, it’s been like that for years, so it works pretty well. How wide would you see about? Oh, would it be 12? Quick maths in my head: call a sort of 25 feet wide. Oh, okay, that’s pretty good. Yeah, nice, not bad at all. No, yeah, all.

[00:56:20] Right so the f6 how catch you bought to practice with the tail dragger and that so.

[00:56:28] The landing gear is flimsy. On that one, yeah, it’s. It’s been sort of, yeah, retractable, fiddled with and kind of repaired a number of times and it’s just got that little bit of four and aft movement where it’ll, it’ll get sort of near the cog and then wanna check it goes, yeah, yeah, so it. I’ve sort of fiddled with it and haven’t really got it to a point where it’s. I trust it and the, the dynam retracts are a little bit renowned for being a bit finicky on.

[00:57:01] Occasion. So, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s an option, but it probably needs something with just like a, a fixed aluminium under undercarriage as a tail dragger, to just be a bit more robust for.

[00:57:12] Just doing touches and goes all the time. Yeah, especially if you’re gonna fly like a, like we do, off of a grass field that can be kind of lumpy sometimes, probably not a great option, all right, so next I have trouble with the name of this one. It’s either volantex or volantex. Which one is?

[00:57:29] It or am I’m gonna go with volantex I’ve never heard anyone say it okay volantex is the way I read.

[00:57:34] It okay and that’s a phoenix 2000 looks like a glider I’m not familiar with this one looks cool.

[00:57:40] Yeah, so this is a. This is a low-cost glider. Do you have? Do you guys have, a company in the us that sells stuff online called banggood? Yeah, but we have access to banggood. Yeah, I think.

[00:57:55] Most of it’s from their international warehouse which is out of china global warehouse yeah so this.

[00:58:01] Is. This is a. This is a. This is a banggood special this thing, but seems to be pretty, pretty well renowned as a pretty decent glider for the money. Yeah, so this is a. This is kind of a, a low-cost way of getting into a, getting into a motor glider. Yeah, that’s not a two like not a three channel, actually has flaps and I’ve set up a canvas system on it. That’s cool. I’m I’m yet to fly it. It’s. It’s sitting there all ready to go, and I had to come up away from home for a while, so I’ve not got this thing out yet, but I’m very keen to get this thing up in the air. Cool, it’s not.

[00:58:35] It’s not a small model it’s a 79 inch wing so yeah that’s a nice looking airplane pretty good size.

[00:58:41] Actually, yeah, yeah, all right. And then we got a hobby. Oh, go ahead, it’s good because it comes with a. It comes with quite a cool little snap lock system for getting the wings, so both wings come off. So you can really reduce it down to a pretty easy to transport package and the wings just really nicely clip on. So it’s it’s good little setup actually on that thing, cool folding prop looks.

[00:59:04] Like it’s got a folding prop on it. Yeah, yep, nice. No, it looks. It looks pretty cool, actually. Banggood, I may have to look into that. Yeah, I think hobby king sells those as well. Oh, do they okay? Cool, speaking of hobby king, that’s our next airplane, a hobby king radjet 800. I’ve looked at these things a couple of times and have you flown it yet, rob? I have. I have flown this a fair bit okay, and so I bought this.

[00:59:27] As my speed project -huh, that got that- then got overtaken by the, by the ef extra, I found that. So this thing’s a two elevon and esc setup, so like a, like a three channel. What I’ve found is I really like having rudder control. So either I’d have to get something similar with rudders- this one’s you probably could, you probably could modify it to have rudder control.

[00:59:58] But I found that it just doesn’t have the level control I’d like. So this has been flown but is kind of languishing in the in the back of the spare room a little bit. This one is it fast, I mean, because

[01:00:10] It looks fast to me, like all the youtube stuff. I’ve looked at that and that’s why it kind of intrigued me. I thought, oh, this looks like it could be, and this was before I bought the v900, so it’s a while back.

[01:00:20] But is it fast? Relatively not fast enough to be fun. Fast, okay, that makes it’s pretty good. And there are- I’ve found videos on youtube of them going fast and all those videos they’ve done like an engine swap and an esc swap. So okay, out of the box. Yeah, okay, that’s everything I needed to know.

[01:00:45] About that airplane I’m glad I chose what I chose instead of that one yeah so and then.

[01:00:50] So next we have the e-flight umx turbo timber which those fly really well from what I understand yeah.

[01:00:58] Yeah, so this is, this is where I really, after crashing the first aeroscout, this is where I actually did all my initial flying, and it does fly well, I agree. I’ve just found that it only I found that wind gets to it a lot. So, yeah, quite frustrating having to go out either early in morning or, like picking the time of day to fly the thing. Yeah, because otherwise it just gets.

[01:01:23] Thrown around right, yeah, the umx. The umx airplanes are really small and light and, yeah, any kind of wind greatly. By the way, even the as with the AS3X and all that stuff, it can still get, just like you said, tossed around and not a lot of fun if you’re trying to practice precision landings and things like that. Yeah, but a lot of the bigger version I’ve heard flies really well too. So that might be on my to purchase list one of these days. You think so? The bigger one? Yeah, they look cool. They do, even with those big ugly wheels. They are big, cool. Ron likes the big wheels.

[01:01:57] I’m gonna I’m gonna I’m gonna go with big cool wheels as well actually I kind of like.

[01:02:01] The backcountry look is pretty cool right I love the bush plane look yeah okay and then.

[01:02:09] So that does it for the ready to fly. So seven that are ready to go at a moment’s notice, with proper charging ahead of time and then so we move on to almost ready to fly. You got one on this list and it’s one of my all-time favorites: the SIG four star 40. Huge fan of that airplane, yeah. So this is.

[01:02:28] This is one of. I bought secondhand so I bought built up, ready to go, just missing a receiver. So, like I was talking about with the, the f6, wanting to have something relatively robust as a tail dragger, to learn properly how to fly a tail dragger before moving on to the chipmunk, yep, this is. This is what I found on a on a secondhand, secondhand swap meet type thing and I thought this thing is perfect for that. Yeah, it’s got the. It’s a great, great plane, it’s.

[01:02:59] Well regarded, obviously solid, solid undercarriage. It’s pretty much does everything I wanted, I wanted to do and I think once I get it out and flying it, it potentially might become the go-to- potentially. We’ll see. Yeah it, it’s a beautiful build. I love how kind of svelte and light the airframe is it’s. It’s really nicely made, whoever did it. So I’m very keen to get this.

[01:03:24] Thing up in the end. Yeah, svelte, that is a. That is a very accurate description, in my opinion, of the four star of the. All of them like. They do the 40 size, they do a 60 size, they do a 120 size. There might even be a giant one out there. That’s not kitted but like plans available. Yeah, I’m a huge fan. This was like one of my third or fourth airplanes. It was like early on, like when I started flying, I built one of these and, man, what a great flight. It’s almost like: well, I mean, it’s a low-wing trainer essentially, yeah, with a semi-symmetrical wing. I think you’ll like it a lot, actually, and it

[01:03:58] Handles wind pretty well too. So there you go, okay, awaiting build. So these are, these are the ones, the, the kit, which, okay, I’ll talk about it in a minute. So we’ve got the. We’ve got the seagull chipmunk, which we’ve already talked about, that one, you’re going to do that up real nice and scale with the pilots. It sounds awesome. Send us pics when it’s done and then, okay. So the performance models glider kit. Can we really call that building if it’s? I mean, it’s not like. It’s not like building in the traditional sense of the word. Right, why you’re still building a wing. Oh well, I guess that’s true.

[01:04:32] That’s a true balsa. It is, that’s true. It’s just slightly different techniques, right, yeah? So, okay, don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. That’s you, that’s true. So when, when, what sort of time frame we’re looking at for you to get that one on the table and start putting it together? All right,

[01:04:47] That’s a good question, I reckon, realistically. I reckon early next year. Okay, we’d see that one commencing, hopefully. So yeah, but yeah, as ed’s wrong was saying, it’s it’s got carbon fiber tubes in it to strengthen, but primarily it’s a it’s a balsa build and that’s. I guess that’s the whole point of the e-res style gliders is to keep the things relatively simple in terms of build. So hopefully it should go together pretty easily. I’ve looked through the instructions and it looks pretty straightforward. It’s just, I guess, the

[01:05:19] Complexity is the integration of the, the carbon, whereas on a, on a more simple builder, just all be balsa or apply. But it looks. I think it should be doable. Yeah, so this is a v tail, so we.

[01:05:33] Have to. I’m assuming you’ll have to set up some sort of mixing and the transfer to get that, because you got, you’ve got the v tail and then a spoiler. Nothing else in the wing, right, yeah, so no.

[01:05:43] Ailerons or flaps or anything like that. No, that’ll be interesting. So, yeah, well, I’ve got the, I’ve got the, the, the model set up in my, my dx8, already ready to go. Nice so, and yeah, it’s essentially just doing a v tail setup and I quite like for two channel, flying with the rudder on the rudder on the aileron, like on the right hand side, rather than rather than switching it, so you still have like a, like a stick, like a plane. Okay, so I’ve got that all set up ready to go, so yeah,

[01:06:16] So that begs that begs the question do you fly mode one or mode two mode two okay all right cool.

[01:06:23] Well because you never know no and that’s exactly what I was thinking okay like that was my next.

[01:06:28] Question, but you took it out of my mouth, I’m sorry. Yeah, like what I like to do with a v tail with just rudder only, so I’ll set it up on the right stick like an aileron. I also just mix the rudder 100 so I can control the rudder from either stick. So, okay, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that way, if you get used to control, being my left hand naturally wants to move things around. Yeah, yeah, and my left

[01:06:50] Makes sense to coordinate turns automatically now, thanks to you, dave, so perfect, all right. Last on the list is probably the one I’m most excited about on your list is the asm a26 ARF, and this is not a small airplane which is really kind of the odd man out on all of your, on your whole list.

[01:07:09] Yeah, this, this one, this one’s a bit of a- let’s call it a- stretch goal. So this one, this one, I’m I’m pretty excited to get into this. I’ve done a lot of thinking about setup on this one, so off, obviously it’s. It’s quite a complicated off. Yes, I guess, yes, the instructions. You open the instruction booklet and on the front page it says in big red letters: if you are not experienced, if you are not an experienced builder or flyer, do not commence this model. Essentially, it’s really.

[01:07:40] Setting the scene right, but yeah it’s. So the instructions are pretty good. They’re pretty indicative actually. So there’s a lot of stuff that’s just kind of left the imagination. Okay, and the model is set up for, was set up for like 55 glow twin and I’m going to do it electric, so and it the instructions cover electric to a degree, but I think there’s going to be a fair bit of me kind of fiddling and making it work a little bit to get it, to get it organized. So yeah, it’s.

[01:08:17] Quite it’s. It’s a bit of a step up for me in terms of complexity, both in terms of flying and putting it together, but I’m I’m pretty keen to sort of get it, get it organized. So yeah, it’s, it’s an.

[01:08:29] Interesting one for sure. So you’re gonna. Are you gonna leave it in the as or the esm colors? Are you gonna? Are you gonna do it up different? So, because I noticed you’re putting a 3d pilot bus in this one.

[01:08:41] Too. Yeah, so it’s staying in those colors because they’re korean war colors. So guess what? I’ve gone and got korean war pilots. That’s awesome to the point where, actually to the point where- I went and did some research as to as to what type of goggles usaf pilots had in korean, in the korean war, what type of jackets they wore. I’ve got, I’ve got photo evidence for all my selections, for what they’re, what the pilots are wearing. So I’ve actually got the

[01:09:13] The pilot is wearing aviators with just his, with just his pig cap on rather than his, rather than his b8 goggles, and that’s actually. That’s accurate. I’ve got a photo of someone doing that, so I feel justified there. You’re gonna put a crew member on the front too, so I’m actually going to go two side by side in the cockpit, okay, because the nose cone isn’t, isn’t really well set up to have a figurine in there. There’s a bit of bracing and stuff in there, okay, so I’ve got two in the cockpit and then actually going to have a the gunner in the gunner station at the back. That.

[01:09:44] You can see as well. So I’m all good to go. I actually did a fair bit of, I guess, research into this one because I found a build log on rc groups of a of a guy who did the build of a made by the same company, made by asm, a build of a p61 black widow and he did a lot of work to build out the interior of the aircraft scale so it looked. It was very scale from the outside. You could.

[01:10:14] See all the details in the cockpit and it kind of energized me to do something similar. And then I kind of I’ve paired it back a bit because I realized I don’t, I don’t have the time or, frankly, the inclination to go to that level of detail, right, but do want to totally get that. Yeah. So, so painting, like painting out the painting out the interior of the, the cockpit and the appropriate, the appropriate, that green us aircraft, yeah, the zinc chromate color, and doing some other details to make it, to make it relatively scale, I’m putting in a, putting in a, an.

[01:10:48] Instrument panel with instruments that replicates what’s in the real aircraft, because in the real aircraft the pilot sits on one side and there’s actually a passageway on his right hand side, so there isn’t a second like a full-time second seat and there isn’t a co-pilot per se. It’s a flight engineer who then moves around the aircraft, lots of things in the air. So he’s going to have he’s going to have a seat, he’s going to be positioned next to the pilot, but the, the actual instrument panel on the aircraft only covers like two-thirds of the of the front of the plane.

[01:11:18] So just going to do some scale details like that. But yeah, other than that, yeah, trying to figure out stuff like: yeah, I think it’ll look awesome and it’s a pretty big plane. I think it’s going to have some really good presence in the air. When the thing’s up, absolutely it won’t sound as cool.

[01:11:33] With the electrics but I guess I can forgive that is this a fiberglass or is it built up I can’t remember.

[01:11:40] So it’s, it’s, it’s a combination built up. It’s built up balsa and plywood with actually like a abs carbon body over it. Oh, really, okay. Yeah, it’s quite unusual that way. So the, the wings are built up normally, but the, the fuselage and the nacelles are actually plastic with an internal wooden.

[01:12:04] Slash carbon structure. Nice, yeah, reminiscent of the old SIG quick build kits. Yeah, I’m really had my thoughts and, yeah, cool. Well, like I said before the list, I love the format and Ron is probably going to update, change mine to match yours, and you even provided links on the on the right hand side, which is very handy because, yeah, because I’m going to go, I’m going to go check out a couple of these. Actually, oh, we can talk about this real quick. Thoughts on streamlining your plane collection.

[01:12:37] For the space conscious enthusiast. I think I know where you’re going with that, because I’ve had to do that with my other hobby, which is lego. I know, don’t judge me, I am, but yeah, I’ve sort of had to narrow down my, my, my collecting because it’s just getting overwhelming right, because of my available space. So, yeah, I haven’t done that with airplanes. I, if I like an airplane, I buy it and I figure out a place to store and I think pretty much that’s how the everybody here at the table has done things.

[01:13:08] But have you found that you needed to do that? Well, I rent, so I don’t have. I can’t sort of do any modifications and put stuff on the wall or do anything way of storing stuff. Yeah, so storage of aircraft is becoming a bit of an issue- maybe a la Reggie, but obviously not that bad- and getting worse apparently. Yeah, yeah. But I guess it’s also a question of: do you, do you guys ever find that like, how, like, how many low wing 40 trainers can you own? What I mean like

[01:13:44] Do you find that you have a lot of aircraft that you fly, that essentially it’s the same flying experience aircraft to aircraft? Yes, and you could potentially kind of streamline and not have as

[01:13:54] Many of a similar type, depends on your end goal. I mean, yeah, I don’t mind having more airplanes, so I don’t want to get rid of them and have just one of everything. But if you have to, yeah, I could see doing that. But if you like them, why get rid of them? Right and so that’s. That’s a really great point.

[01:14:13] Is I’ve. I’ve experienced that I. I currently have two hanger 9 t34s. I don’t want to get rid of either one of them. I like them both. They are exactly the same airplane. Dave’s air, the one I got from dave, it’s a little bit more airplane because we’ve got the flaps and lights and I have slides. It weighs a little bit more. Yeah, so it’s a little bit of a different flying experience, but they’re both the same airplane. But I don’t want to get rid of either one of them, but they’re different colors.

[01:14:43] Right, there you go, but they’re the same type and, yeah, if I had to, if I had to downsize, absolutely I would- I would probably get rid of multiples of the similar type, like a low wing sport plane.

[01:14:55] Get rid of one of multiples. You mean, right, yeah, yeah, I gotcha. So, like all of mine, I’ve got multiple quarter scale world war one airplanes, but they’re all unique flying experience. They all fly different. Everything I have flies differently. Even though I’ve got an f86 jet and I’ve got an f15, they are completely different. Yeah, so I really couldn’t anything on flying experience because

[01:15:20] They’re all so different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that, but I’m I’m definitely to the point where I can’t really add much more to me, to my well. Yeah, you got all kinds of space way more than I do. I don’t.

[01:15:36] Know, like I really don’t. Like there is not. The planes are not stored well and you’re safe, they’re safe, but they’re not stored like I don’t have. Yeah, there’s a lot just sitting on the floor in the basement.

[01:15:48] But, but no, to sort of hit that topic. Yeah, absolutely, and that’s exactly how I would downsize the collection is. I would downsize the ones that are most similar or identical. So yeah, yeah, I mean, how many biopings does a guy need, right, zero, I’ve got quite a few for me.

[01:16:09] I think if you can, I think if you can, if you’ve got the space, I mean, why not? I mean it’s you, you might as well just keep on going. But I’ve found that I think I’m going to be hit. I’m going to hit my limit at like a dozen and that’s that’s kind of. That’s kind of it. I don’t think I’d fit them anywhere else. Yeah, so you really need to make some hard decisions about what to keep.

[01:16:30] And what not to keep or what to change. Well, you got to figure what you like and what you don’t like, and that, I think, is just. You will naturally fly one more than another right and the ones that you don’t fly very often maybe those aren’t as important to you and you don’t need to keep them.

[01:16:43] Well and that and that sort of hits the next bullet point in the email you sent to us figuring out what direction to go in the hobby. Having, having been in the hobby for a couple years now, you, you kind of know what you like and what you don’t like and what you prefer to fly over things that you don’t prefer, and I think that’ll sort of guide what you, what you acquire in the future, and I think that’s true for everybody. Like I have a preferred type of air, like I really enjoy sticks, obviously, so I tend to gravitate towards airplanes that fly.

[01:17:14] Like a stick, what I mean? Like I’m not a 3d pilot or anything like that, so those kinds of airplanes don’t really, yeah, get me going right like a really well-built stick or whatever. So I think what you decide what direction you go in the hobby sort of depends on what sort of what you’re drawn to.

[01:17:34] Fills your yeah checks all the boxes and that’s going to change from year to year over time yes.

[01:17:39] And based on, based on other stuff that you experience- like you may go to the field next week and some new guy- that’s the new member of the club- is out there with some new airplane that looks like it flies, awesome, and he gives you the sticks and you fly it, and then now you’ve changed your mind, now you want one of these, so your direction could change.

[01:17:57] Or the problem is you talk to a bunch of different people and find out what they’re flying and think I want one of those too, yeah, and then get into it that way, like we have. I mean, definitely from the podcast, from talking to different people has taken me into different ways that I wasn’t expecting to go.

[01:18:11] I never, I never, ever, ever thought that I would have enjoyed gliders as much as I as I. Yeah, that’s the biggest thanks to you buying that glider at the, which all goes back to interviewing guests and

[01:18:25] Having someone talk about gliders so getting ideas yeah exactly absolutely yeah and.

[01:18:31] As far as keeping the hobby alive, the next bullet here: yeah, getting the new, the next generation interested, is it’s a challenge, it’s it’s hard. Like Ron, he’s trying to get his daughter in. She’s on the simulator and she seems she and I were talking a little bit about it earlier and I asked her if it was fun and she said no, I’m like what do you mean? It’s not fun. And then I forget what it was. She’s trying to figure something out, or, like I think she said something about crashing and then I was like, of course, well, well, that’s what the simulator is for. The more you do.

[01:19:04] It the better you get at it. Well then, that makes it sound like it’s work. Yeah, no, I don’t want it. I don’t want her to think it’s work. So, yeah, I don’t know what the what the secret is, but definitely getting younger people involved is gotta be the direction we’re gonna have to go.

[01:19:19] Yeah, from. From your perspective, do you do you feel like there was a younger crowd, sort of 20 years ago in the, in the hobby and in its heyday, and I feel like maybe that crowd has just stayed on but the whole body of people doing the activity has not really grown since then? I don’t know if, if, what your thoughts about that are. Yeah, I would say it kind of feels that way.

[01:19:41] To me as well. Like so, 20 years ago I was trying to get my kids kind of interested in it. Because I was interested in it and they showed no interest at all and that was sort of a common occurrence with the other friends that I was flying with at the time. They were trying to get their kids or neighbors or whatever, into it and it just I don’t know if it has something to do with.

[01:20:02] The proliferation of video gaming probably so it’s so much easier to do it that way and that’s.

[01:20:07] A cheaper? Yeah, absolutely so. But I think, I think, I hope, I’m hopeful. Maybe not the last few years because of covet and all that kind of stuff, but with the, with what you can purchase now, ready to fly for less than a couple hundred bucks, and how successful people have been with these types of airplanes, I’m hopeful that will bring in the next generation to keep.

[01:20:31] The hobby going. Yeah, I agree, I’ve got a question actually going back to the a26, okay, and, and it ties in actually to when you guys did the dualists, which is central battery powering two motors. Oh, this is because that’s how, this is how you set up yours- one Ron, wasn’t it correct you had? How’d you go with wiring in battery to ESCs, to motors? Did you run like decent thickness cables out from the

[01:21:01] From the fuselage to ESCs mounted out in the wings now I have to think because it’s been a long time ago.

[01:21:09] So my original plan was to do two batteries and the nacelles. It was not possible to do that and still get CG without putting a ton of weight in the back. So it flies with one battery in the center. One battery has, I think it goes to a y harness, you would go over to yeah. So it goes to a y harness, yeah to a, to a splitter to get to each esc and motor and then only one of the esc’s powers the radio. So I cut the, cut the red wire, yeah, the power wire off. That way the ground and everything is the same.

[01:21:45] Between them all but yeah so that’s why I hooked that one up yeah because I’m this is this is.

[01:21:50] Thinking about the a26, because I know like both motors- both motors at anything above 80 throttle- are going to pull sort of 100 plus amps. Yeah. So I’m thinking about how, like decent thickness cables coming off the middle, because the a26 is actually in the plans or in the in the build.

[01:22:09] Book. It actually tells you to put the batteries in the nacelles, but I can’t figure out how to. I can’t figure out how to fit them in. There’s just not enough space in there to put a. This thing’s going to run on like a success, probably two by six s, four thousand or five thousand. So trying to fit them in just doesn’t look. It doesn’t look.

[01:22:27] Feasible. So, yeah, and see, that was the problem with the way I did it. So I designed it to where the motors went more forward, obviously because the nacelles I built, or built, were size for the batteries I was going to put it in. So mine is a lot more squared off than the plans called for, thinking that’s where the batteries were going to mount. I regret that a lot because of like I could have had the motors farther back and had it done really more to sleep, like to plan. Yeah, more sleek. Had I known I wasn’t gonna be able to get the batteries in there. So, yeah, that is kind

[01:23:02] Of my point. Like I could not have fit that in with or fit the batteries in by going by the plans, I had to change it, so I don’t know where you will be able to find a spot to put all that I’m thinking.

[01:23:13] Of sitting them just on top of the, on top of the wing, in the center section, in the fuselage, because that’s a, there’s like a yeah, if you have room, that’s true, yeah, and I’d prefer to have that weight.

[01:23:24] In the center instead of out on the wings yeah so it’s gonna roll better it’s gonna be less stress.

[01:23:28] On the wings. Yeah, yeah, I also think, as the as the batteries degrade, I don’t need to worry about like a thrust differential, true, because if it’s, if it’s the same power going to.

[01:23:38] Both sides. Yeah, that’s a good point. This is going to be weird for me to say, though, but since you’re already a nitro guy, I would probably do those nitro. He’s already made up his mind, though. He’s going to go electric, I know, but I’m just saying that’s probably what I would end up doing with that.

[01:23:53] Yeah, yeah, it might make it easier. Yeah, it might be a good time to look at those sh engines, those gas, gas, gas engines. Yeah, I’m, I’m very interested. I’m gonna check that guy’s youtube.

[01:24:07] Channel tonight when I get home yeah see if he’s made any progress he hasn’t posted in a while but.

[01:24:11] They look very promising and they’re surprisingly affordable. I think the- I think their 52, the sh52 gas glow, if I recall- was like less than 210 bucks. I think it was like 209, I think is what it was. It’s not bad, which for me, that’s. That’s very good now, granted, there’s no ignition, so you don’t have to pay for that. But yeah, I mean, for a decent quality engine that runs on gas, not bad at all, might not be a bad option. What else you got? I think I’m. I think I’m done, I think I’m good.

[01:24:45] All right. Well, like I said before, it’s been it’s been a lot of fun. Thank you for giving us your sunday morning. I, I sure, appreciate that. Oh thanks. Thanks for thanks for having me on it’s.

[01:24:55] Been a been a lot of fun and, annoyingly, you’ve given me lots of things to think about in terms of purchases, which is which is never good. That’s always the fun part. Yeah, yeah, maybe that is the fun.

[01:25:04] Part. Actually, if we can plant the seed for other people to spend more of their hard-earned income, then we’ve done our job, because we do it ourselves- yes, we, we can miserate in other people’s pain. So, thanks again. It’s, it’s been, it’s been a hoot. And make sure you give us, send us updates, like if you, if you make progress on any of your, like the chippy or the a26, send us, send us pictures to the, to the web page. We’ll we’ll put them on there for others to see there. You.

[01:25:35] Go all right so that’s all I got I’m Tom I’m Ron I’m dave and I’m rub there we go have a great night.

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