Ep 126: Rob Pemberton

[00:00:04] Hello everyone and welcome to the rc plane lab podcast i'm tom i'm ron and i'm dave and i'm rob all right it's the international version of the podcast this time we've got rob pemberton on

[00:00:22] The line with us all the way from australia yeah that's our first time we've gone down under yeah yeah i'm standing on my head by the way yeah we're kind of upside down yeah so we're all facing the

[00:00:33] Same way unfortunately we got we got rob out of bed early on his sunday morning to record with us

[00:00:39] Thanks rob for being with us that's right i'm used to living on my head so i'm pretty normal

[00:00:45] Yeah this is so like i was gonna say this it's hard for me to get my my mind wrapped around this it's five o'clock at night on a saturday here we are recording and it's eight o'clock sunday morning where he is yeah sunday morning yeah so what happens between now and then oh he can't he

[00:01:03] Can't tell the future well i'm in the future i think you've got to tell the future that's oh

[00:01:08] That's right yeah i'm so behind or we're living in the past or we're yeah i've always been slow yeah we well i'm not gonna i'm not gonna argue with you so rob how are you why don't you tell us a

[00:01:20] Little bit about yourself well hello everyone so rob pemberton i've been in the hobby for a couple of a couple of years now i thought i'd look for a bit of a online resource for rc plane information at the start of last year and i was i was into podcasts a lot of the time and guess what i found i found you guys sorry about that apologies yeah yeah it's been a detriment ever since but yes i started listening avidly because i found that there's not much in the

[00:01:56] Way of information out there written down anywhere about the hobby that's that's really kind of i guess you'd call it an authoritative source so i was trying to find information about stuff generally and you guys were actually a really good avenue for that well thank you i would not call us

[00:02:14] Authoritative i was just getting ready to go there yeah but yeah that was kind of our goal one of our goals when when ron approached me about doing this was basically kind of codifying information putting it out there especially for folks that were just like you just getting into the hobby so i'm glad you found us and hopefully we've been helpful

[00:02:33] Yeah actually you've been really helpful and you mightn't remember i actually put a question into one of your question shows about setting thrust angles yeah thrust angles correct and that was actually quite useful so i've incorporated that into the plane i was talking

[00:02:51] About so thank you very much for that sweet i love to hear when people say hey what you said

[00:02:58] Made sense and i use it and it worked i love that that's better than i heard what you said and i use

[00:03:03] It and it didn't work right yeah you're my plane tom yeah thankfully not all right you can expect

[00:03:12] That in about 10 years or so so you've been in the hobby by rowboat yeah a couple of years what

[00:03:21] Airplane did you start with if you don't mind me asking so i started with the the the the good old hobby zone aeroscout s the little 1.1 meter one that's a little electric pusher right oh yeah yeah yeah a little electric pusher bought it as a bought it as an rtf with the whole with the whole kit and that was my that was my first proper one so i've had i guess dalliances with with rc planes over the years but this is the first time i've tried to do it properly so yeah that was my

[00:03:53] First one so i'm i'm not familiar with what transmitter that comes with what in the rtf version transmitted that or did you get that's that's the dxe dxe okay yeah so a good starter but not a not one to stick with you over time yeah surprisingly good little flyer actually but

[00:04:12] Yeah i guess the your first plane and you then move on from there yeah yeah not not a not a transmitter

[00:04:19] You would probably grow with right yeah i think yeah exactly yeah and that's i mean that's how it

[00:04:24] Was with me when i got my first hobby zone that came with the dx4 which was for what it was for that airplane it worked fine but yeah you not multiple or not multiple model memory and it really was not suited for anything more range-wise than a small park flyer yeah so but so as the story goes here in

[00:04:43] The states anyway like the the kind of the the progression is you go to a hobby shop and somebody at the hobby shop sells you an airplane and you go and fly it and learn is that is that

[00:04:54] Kind of the same experience in australia pretty much yeah so so i'm sure we'll talk about it later but we have we have a club system governed by a national body very similar to you guys but i actually didn't start by going to a club i just started in my local park okay which had mixed results also a common a common theme here in the states yeah yeah common common theme common theme but the mixed results did i guess give me the taste and i was pretty keen so i

[00:05:30] I up my up my transmitter game to a dx8e there you go and and bought real flight and did a lot of real light and a lot of practice at home and up to my up my hanger to to two with a or three actually with two umx's got a turbo timber and a a little umx radian as well and flew them how do you like that one the radian i i think i think this this stands for for me my experiences

[00:06:06] With both the radian and the turbo timber was they're really good if it's like no wind so not even not even low wind like essentially i'd have to get out at like six o'clock in the morning for the things to not get thrown around because i found as soon as i flew after that particularly the timber really affected by wind so yeah yeah because i thought about getting one of the the umx radians

[00:06:31] For flying around here and i just haven't pulled the trigger on it yet because that i think that one

[00:06:36] Flies on the that's a what s 150 yeah one of those little 150 yeah slab pack things yeah which they're a dime a dozen i mean pretty much yeah exactly so so i got a few of them and actually it flies pretty well for what it is and it does do with i think it actually deals with when wind may be better than the timber but it it goes all right for what it is yeah that's that's

[00:06:59] Interesting to me because there's no ailerons on there right yep yeah yeah it's just a classic

[00:07:04] Two-channel or three-channel yeah glider so and then what sorry not to dive too much into that

[00:07:10] Airplane but like i said i it's one that i had thought about before what holds the wings on is that like i is that one that fits in the box like as a whole airplane yeah it's it's a whole the whole

[00:07:21] Airplane in the box oh sorry no it's two piece and you slide so there's the the the fuselage has got like a a cut out of the of the the wing and you slide the wing into the fuselage and then hold it in place with a single screw and it's it's pretty to be honest it's pretty flimsy i don't know how long it'd last if you were flying it regularly that was part of the reason i moved away from it it was like i'm gonna break this thing just sort of carrying it around and using

[00:07:51] It rather than even crashing so okay it's you could probably sit and you could definitely sit and fix it but it's a it's a very lightweight build so it's yeah i don't know how long it'd last

[00:08:02] Like day-to-day use kind of thing yeah well that's good information by the way yeah that makes me think that maybe i don't want to don't necessarily need to get something it's a one-piece wing that slides in

[00:08:13] From one side and then locks down with one screw yeah correct okay i got it all right yeah that's

[00:08:18] Probably not something you want to fly around here yeah probably not that's okay cool well thank you

[00:08:22] For that by the way so rob did you have you mentioned kind of kind of starting off on your own what what actually like i would be curious to know like what you said you had a few other experiences with rc planes but what like really what was your impetus to get started

[00:08:39] What really got you going yeah so i've i've it's been something that's interested me as long as i can remember and i've kind of had waxing and waning interest in it and i've had a couple of a number of planes over the years like like kind of not hobby grade but but sort of toy grade model remote control models that have never never really worked very well i got a two channel glider years ago i flew a fair bit of but that then i sort of lost interest in

[00:09:14] That and went on to other things i guess i just got my interest was on a waxing path in in 2020 i thought i'd be keen to give it a go and just went for it really it was just a case of me saying i think i'll do this and have a go properly really so it wasn't really yeah it was just it was just kind of burgeoning interest in something that i was already interested in i guess and actually deciding to do it properly when you decided to make that jump did you have

[00:09:45] Anybody around to help you no no it was me by myself so it was all internet research and google and

[00:09:51] All that and yeah off to the race internet research and then deciding on something that looked like a good a good first plane and then just going from there okay right on i think you made a good

[00:10:02] Decision on your first plane yeah for sure the aeroscout with the safe and all that that's built into it that's that's very helpful for learning to fly yeah yeah it's good to get away from that

[00:10:11] By the way yeah yeah yeah yeah i think the yeah i mean i mean i i i found actually moved away from safe essentially from the first flight on particularly having done some a fair bit of time on the simulator right i think once you've once you've got that down you can you can move away from it and it just makes the whole thing the whole experience much much better i think moving away from safe

[00:10:37] As quickly as you can yeah i would agree with that i think safe really from my experience it it really is only there to kind of help with orientation do what i mean because the only time you're really going to use safe is if you've kind of lost orientation in the airplane is diving for the ground or whatever and like flying a simulator you're going to learn that so yeah i'm not surprised that you went away from safe like almost right away after flying the simulator yep yeah actually the the

[00:11:05] The first time i flew the so we'll get to it i'm sure but i actually crashed the aeroscout the first time i flew it oh we're gonna get to that oh yeah for sure and then had to buy a second aero scout but also got the turbo timber as like a it's not as costly as an aero scout and smaller and i figured i could fly that first so i actually did a lot of tom on the simulator and flew the flew the turbo timber first time and actually flew it on essentially on expert

[00:11:39] Mode from the start nice and kind of didn't really use safe outside of like the first two minutes of flying it so yeah moved right along with that yeah so you touched on it and we can talk

[00:11:52] About it more later but do you so how do the flying clubs work there in australia is it is it like it is here where it's just basically a bunch of guys who get together we form a club form a committee and then you you sign on with the with the the governing organization for us it's it's ama is it kind of the same idea or is it just something completely different no it's pretty much

[00:12:14] The same thing so we have most of the most of our clubs are relatively old but there are there are new clubs forming and it's and it's just through that you apply to the ama or the ours is called the m triple a which is model aircraft association australia they've been around for 75 years now 75 75th anniversary this year excellent okay and they they in a similar way that you go to your ama ties in with the faa ours ours ties in with our version of the faa which is called casa which

[00:12:48] Is civil aviation safety authority and essentially does the same type of roles that the ama does for you guys that m triple a does for us okay so yeah you you organize set up your club through the m triple a and then you can you go through a process of having flying flying locations authorized through casa as well sounds very very similar yeah very much stuff being regulated as much as we are like through the faa yeah so we're we're going we're about to head into the whole

[00:13:22] Registration thing here as well but we've we're in a similar way to you guys i think we've got a we've got dispensation where m triple a members flying at m triple a recognized clubs don't need any registration the registration thing seems to be targeted mainly at people driving flying drones like multi-copters right out in the out in the the public environs rather than at a club so yeah it looks like we're going to be spared any of that but we'll wait and see i guess yeah yeah i'm

[00:13:52] Hoping we're along the same lines of that and it kind of seems like it's going to be yeah which i'm fine with that that means really for us nothing is going to change yeah pretty much which is great

[00:14:02] That's yeah yeah and i mean that's what's great about having the m triple a is i essentially just had me as far as i'm aware reading reading the stuff that comes out from the president is they met with caster and outlined the level of training that people do and the level of controls that are in place at a club and they were happy that i was going to cover it so yeah there you

[00:14:21] Go that sounds remarkably similar to to what yeah to what we got going on so yeah that's good news i think absolutely yeah so if other organizations are sort of doing things the way our organizations are doing then hopefully it all kind of goes that direction and stays simple yeah i like that and

[00:14:39] That's that's to me one of the important things about being a member of like ama here is the the money that we pay is what funds all of that stuff so yes we get some extra insurance protection and stuff that i don't think they will ever pay out because there's so many fine lines on it which is that's cool but just having the the what what's the word i'm looking for the communal power of all the members and stuff with the funds that that they're able to

[00:15:10] Put towards things yeah the lobbying that that's the word i was looking for thanks that that is what

[00:15:15] Is kind of nice about it i think so yeah about yeah yeah i agree how big is is the club that you fly with like membership wise it's about a hundred oh wow oh that's really good that's awesome yeah

[00:15:27] So okay so i only ever see the same like eight people flying at any one time but yeah that's there

[00:15:34] Yeah that was going to be my next question okay so of the of the hundred or so that like how many are active so yeah that's a that's a pretty common i don't know about you guys but for us

[00:15:45] The the demographics of the club is essentially retirees i'm i'm 39 and i feel like i'm the youngest by like 10 years it's kind of funny actually so i'm 52 and sometimes when i show up

[00:15:57] For the morning gatherings yeah i am the youngest guy there so i know what you mean so but it

[00:16:05] Means that i think there's a lot of guys that fly through the week because i just fly on i usually just fly on a sunday yeah so i got my little crew and we have the same guys who always turn up on a sunday who see each other every week but there are little crews that turn up there's like a crew that turns up on a tuesday there's a wednesday group there's there's little groups that come all the time so but but it means i just never see those people which is kind of funny so of the hundred members of the club i definitely not met a hundred yeah yeah yeah so do you have monthly

[00:16:33] Meetings then kind of the same as we do with our local clubs yeah yep and do you go to them

[00:16:39] Because we don't we don't so so we don't really have club meetings per se we actually we have committee meetings i've actually joined the committee which is pretty exciting yeah but so the committee is the committee is pretty pretty regular but we don't really have like club meetings per se oh okay yeah have agms but that's about it what's agm annual annual annual general meeting

[00:17:04] Oh okay so and to me that makes so much more sense it does it really does then to gather the whole club every month just do it once a year to get the really big stuff out there and have your committee just like he's talking about have your committee meet get done what they need to get done and don't require all the club members to be at the meeting well they don't require all of us to be at the

[00:17:24] Meeting it's the option that we could go if we wanted to but we don't that way that makes way

[00:17:29] More sense yeah no that's yeah that's a good setup too so so you mentioned that you you tend to show up and it's always the same sort of group of guys that you fly with and then there's another group that shows up on tuesday mornings the only opportunity you get to fly with them sometimes is like big events and stuff like that does your club put on like annual fun flies or or stuff like

[00:17:50] That yeah we we do the two things we've done this year have been scale fly-ins so essentially inviting any other members from other clubs in the in the area to come in and for like a weekend do like a camping weekend and have a have a social fly-in over the weekend and a bit of a a bit of a like a scale aircraft modeling competition kind of thing as a just like

[00:18:23] An informal thing cool and actually it attracts quite a lot of people so we get i don't know if you guys have i'm sure you do the real the real diehards who turn up with like a a massive enclosed trailer that looks like they're going to a motocross weekend like those guys turn up and camp over the weekend and pull out there's some really amazing planes oh yeah we're not going to mention

[00:18:45] Names but yeah we know those people yeah how close are you to your field is it a pretty easy yeah like 15 minute drive oh that's not bad so when you do your like inter club like how many clubs would you say you could comfortably be a member of like do you have clubs that are close enough that

[00:19:05] You could also be a member of what i mean yeah so so i live in i live in in canberra in australia and and in our local area we've got three clubs all of which from my house would be about a sort of oh it's somewhere between a 15 and 30 minute drive oh awesome that's not bad at all yeah but amusingly three clubs no hobby shops zero hobby shops really yeah well we're

[00:19:33] Kind of the same way here i mean we've we've got a couple hobby shops semi close but nothing i would consider fully stocked hobby shops would you agree yeah i would agree with that nothing reasonable

[00:19:45] Within well 120 kilometers yeah what is that miles 60 ish miles right yeah yeah 70 miles something like

[00:19:52] That because we have we have one like a like a toy store that that carries some basic hobby stuff and that's it and the next the next hobby shop from us would be it's it's more like 300 kilometers so sort of 100 and what's that 100 and 180 miles something like that that's about a three hour drive

[00:20:13] Then wow yeah yeah wow so he's kind of same situation we are yeah yeah kind of he's a little farther off than we are we can get to a decent one within two hours yeah and unfortunately the the

[00:20:26] Distributorship right horizon doesn't like have a big presence they don't have a facility in australia so i imagine it's not as simple as just getting on they don't on google

[00:20:37] And ordering the stuff you need either right we we have they're pretty well stocked in in we've got a number of hobby shops around australia that do a lot of online stuff so i just order almost everything online but it's all pretty much available from from australian local hobby shops that's not shipping an international economy to get here so it's usually pretty good

[00:21:01] Actually okay yeah the eros scott wouldn't have been i mean that would have been something i'm sure he purchased locally instead of trying to ship it from the states so no no yeah ship ship from

[00:21:10] Melbourne for that one yeah right but what i'm saying is like i don't i could be wrong but i don't think horizon has a distributorship in australia like they'll they'll sell stuff to hobby shops or online retailers in bulk or whatever but it's not that you had like if you send if you had to send in a spectrum radio would you send it to someplace in australia or would it have to come

[00:21:29] To the states that would be going to the u.s and say they don't have a warehouse in australia

[00:21:33] I know they do in england so i just didn't know how far they were yeah like everywhere else okay i like that hand motion nobody saw but yeah that's that's the he's drawn a globe everywhere else

[00:21:46] You guys knew what i meant yeah so cool yeah so it sounds like it's a it's a very similar kind of setup to to here as far as the the club organization and the and the organized sanctioning sanctioning i guess the sanctioning bodies kind of like fai or whatever so neat well that makes things simple so our conversation will be very relatable yeah it won't

[00:22:11] Be yeah i'll understand what we're talking about until we get into measurements and stuff

[00:22:16] Yeah because yeah we still don't really hang with the metric system here i think i've i think

[00:22:22] I've converted everything into inches and ounces for you so when we when we talk planes i think

[00:22:26] I've got everything good to go thank you very much i kind of noticed that on your paperwork you were very thorough yeah yeah yeah and speaking of paperwork i mean i didn't want to bring it up yet

[00:22:36] When we get to it we can we'll talk about it your your list is very i'm envious of how you have

[00:22:42] Everything set up we'll get to that okay so one of my favorite subjects to talk about is do you have a favorite crash story i mean i know you've only been in a short time whatever but

[00:22:55] Everybody's got a crash story they can share so so listen to this with with my with my diligent real flight usage and and my diligent training i've had one crash and that was my aero scout on day one and that's it that's impressive and disappointing you're about to say no no i was not going to do some more i need to fly a bit more crazy potentially well but i mean honestly though that isn't that the

[00:23:23] Point of a simulator though no that means it did its job it did its job yeah perfectly so but how did

[00:23:29] You crash the aero scout so so on day one he said day one that's fine so so not being a member of a

[00:23:37] Club i drove around the place and found a a cricket pitch so like a like a sports field to fly in sports field is round is is ringed by trees so get this thing off the ground do a couple of circuits around and i was doing the the classic starting to fly thing of trying to keep it low because it feels safer right keep it close to the ground that way the damage is close to potential energy right potential energy exactly so so i was doing that and that plus a combination or a combination

[00:24:12] Of that plus first time flying not really understanding the depth perception thing clearly my aero scout was in front of the bank of trees when in fact it wasn't it was aligned with the bank of trees and it went into the trunk of a of a large eucalyptus tree at full power and just completely destroyed itself at least it smelled good when you picked up the pieces

[00:24:43] Yeah so yeah so so it was a it was a a couple of a couple of what i would call rookie errors that resulted in in in crash number one but i guess i was a rookie so it kind of makes

[00:24:55] Sense sure and that's been the only one yeah don't don't feel bad about that i know like i've ended up in a tree with my first airplane and i don't remember if i've ever told the story before or not but cody this has been many many years ago my oldest son we bought him i don't remember what it was like a duet or something maybe it was a hobby zone or whoever e-flight made it was a it was a little twin electric yeah twin i can't remember it doesn't matter so it was maybe a three

[00:25:27] Foot wingspan something like that and it was ready to fly it came with stone transmitter and everything and so that was a christmas present and we went outside and i've got a video of this somewhere i got to try and find it we went outside and i told him i would fly it first to get it ready for him and then he could take it over so i threw it and i took off everything was going great made my first turn came around about 10 seconds after i took off it was in a tree and we could not get it down for like four days so yeah poor cody maybe that's what turned him off of the whole thing well it could be

[00:26:00] Maybe that's why he has no interest in it now because you crashed his plane before he could fly it yeah and crash it that's is that the one that's the one we used to fly out the field we used to run out there and he used to go out there and grab it out of the sky and yeah yeah oh yeah once it came

[00:26:13] Out of the tree it was fine but it just stayed up there for a while and yeah yeah all right cool kid

[00:26:18] Well that's disappointing but also it's very it's a good thing yeah it's a good thing yep you did yep seems to have worked yeah it makes makes for a boring story but that's okay so do you guys do

[00:26:35] Swap meets there yeah we do so not not in not in maybe not in the same way that you guys do is that there's not like a an event at a at a convention center or something but it's more like a bit lower it's sort of smaller scale like clubs you'll put on swap meets and you just go to the club that's by far what we have around here yeah that's yeah that's the norm yeah the big the

[00:26:59] Big events at the convention centers those are few and far between but yeah yeah yeah i don't think

[00:27:06] We've got the size here to do that but we we do like club swap meets pretty regularly actually so

[00:27:10] Neat yeah quite good yeah a lot of exchanging hands of airframes from one person to the next to

[00:27:18] Get the new experience yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe maybe a lot of sometimes just trying to get rid of foist your junk onto someone else potentially we find that it's a good place to

[00:27:30] Go and bulk up your collection yeah absolutely because you can get airplanes usually pretty cheap at a swap meet yeah yeah so if you're looking to get more airplanes that's a good place to do it normally oh i agree okay so i'm looking at your list and i see mostly ready to fly and rf type stuff so this kind of this next question is kind of silly but do you prefer to tinker with

[00:27:53] Your airplanes or do you prefer to actually fly i so i thought about this i think the answer is fly okay though that being said i i am i have done a lot of thinking about and tinkering with the ones i've got so i've actually i'm pretty keen to try building i haven't built any planes yet but i've got a couple of kits one one sitting ready to go and a couple more than i'm intending to order so i think i'm i'm kind of i'm not sure if i'm a builder but i i like the tinkering

[00:28:29] Aspect in terms of like figuring out figuring out electronic setups and radio setups and stuff like that sitting for a long time sanding balsa maybe not so much but i'll give it a go and see how

[00:28:43] I go it's not it's not for everyone and i i we we get that but yeah you don't know till

[00:28:49] You try it exactly yeah exactly yeah so so since you brought that up balsa or foam oh yeah or don't

[00:28:56] Care i would i would my my tick would be a balsa but i gotta i gotta admit man foam is easy isn't it it is there's there's this there's like really good options out there particularly the good looking options yeah like the pnps where you can just you just get it chuck in a receiver all the bnfs like it's just it's just ready and and like really well priced you couldn't build

[00:29:23] It for that money so well right especially if you prefer flying i mean what what better way to do it than to get something that you don't have to tinker with at all you just put a battery in it and off you go other guys they just don't fly as well as the boss ones that's all i agree we yeah we've

[00:29:38] Said that many many times yeah but i still can't put my hand on what it is but yeah i just i like balsa better yes it's more rigid less flex things track straighter yeah a bit more white do you think a bit more white as well not always i mean there are some some of these foamies that i've i've held are

[00:29:58] Pretty heavy for their size yeah so i don't know yeah that 90 millimeter jet of mine is not lightweight i think did you have you picked that thing up i think it weighs like seven pounds it's

[00:30:09] It's heavy for foam yeah and my f-15 is really heavy yeah i've picked that up and that is ridiculously

[00:30:15] Heavy yeah so yeah there's just something about balsa but you're right the foam there are some really really attractive airplanes out there that are made of foam unfortunately well not

[00:30:28] Unfortunately i mean it's good because it gets more people into the hobby yeah i think true that's

[00:30:33] True so rob balsa or i'm sorry nitro electric or gas petrol petrol yeah there so remember we're

[00:30:44] International today that's right i'm i currently primarily fly nitro actually i love that but it's

[00:30:54] Really annoying i love that i fully understand what you're saying so how is the pricing on nitro

[00:31:01] I was gonna ask that too yeah yeah so so for us so a gallon would be thank you about 50 bucks

[00:31:09] Holy smokes wow okay yeah so i would wait is that australian dollars or because there's you call

[00:31:17] Them yeah that's a good point that's a good point so so i guess the what the conversion right now would be

[00:31:22] About 35 40. okay so that's yeah that's a little higher than what we pay here or 32 to 35 i would

[00:31:28] Think yeah right depending on what kind of mood brian's in well yeah depends when he gets that

[00:31:33] In that's true that's what i mean but as you can see from my list primarily electrics yeah but i think that's primarily around what i've decided to purchase that wasn't really a decision like a conscious decision to not to not go one over the other yeah i think i think long term i want to transition to a to to the ron model of of electric and and gas petrol i think it's going to be the answer yeah but i that being said like for a 40 size plane i think nitro nitrate kind of makes sense to me but

[00:32:07] There's a lot i was gonna say there's a lot of smaller motors and engines and whatever coming out and that size that i would like to try and the 40 to 60 size yeah yeah i mean of nitro that

[00:32:19] Are gasoline powered is the the new ssh engines i think they're doing a a gas glow right so it's gasoline powered but it uses a glow plug still don't know how that works i don't either but i'm assuming it's super high compression but and they're doing these in the in the popular 40 size so i can see that that might be a really really good option that's potentially quite an attractive option there right exactly i know yeah so i i'm i'm anxious to see how some reviews of those and see how they perform i'm watching one guy right now on not right now but i mean currently on

[00:32:53] Youtube he's got one of these and going through the break-in process so i can't wait to see how it how it does so far he says it's promising doesn't make as much power for a similar size but potential injury it's not the same from alcohol to gasoline so anyway there's some good options coming down the road in those smaller gas type and even evolution i mean well it's not

[00:33:19] Evolution anymore but there's a whoever i forget who it is now side l or anyway there's more options

[00:33:28] Coming so it'll be easier to go gas in the smaller airplanes over electric than it is currently so rob

[00:33:35] Did you did you stick with spectrum after the aeroscout yeah i did so as you as as you'll see from my list there's a number of like bnf options there and with having like having real flight as well i think spectrum for me just makes sense for the moment and it's it's also kind of i guess the probably the most readily available system here through through decent hobby shops so i think it's it's where i'm at with at the moment but i think i'm i want to do i think i want to do

[00:34:11] Some more complicated models i'm going to run out of channels so i'm trying to think of like a a where to go from here in terms of going going to like a 10 plus channel receiver or transmitter and what what i'd go with there whether i stay with spectrum or switch to something else

[00:34:27] Have you thought at all about doing like the the open tx type stuff yeah i kind of have

[00:34:34] Because you look at you get like a 16 channel transmitter for a couple of hundred bucks right which is which is pretty a pretty interesting option right there it's appealing for sure and i also i also kind of like how much you can tinker with like the open tx allows you to kind of tinker with your with your with your radius setup a bit more and i kind of like that that idea of tinkering and having a bit of freedom right yeah if you're into tinkering that's probably going to fit your bill really well like just just fiddling with it it kind of appeals to me

[00:35:05] Actually but that being said i was sitting i've been sitting here thinking like seeing the nx the nx series come out and think like oh man i wish i wish they just did like an nx 14 or an nx 16 yeah and now this ix thing's been been announced so that maybe that maybe that's the

[00:35:23] Answer if i can justify the money but yeah that's the hard part yeah yeah i fully understand that that's

[00:35:29] A lot of money for a radio well i don't know a lot about the the open tx type stuff but i know that like the radio master stuff you can you can make that compatible with like the spectrum what however that communication technology yeah they have modules you can put into yeah so like different radio so you wouldn't be out all of your p and p stuff right so you'd be able to use the new radio master with your older spectrum stuff right yeah and just have the the dsmx protocol right exactly module on it yeah so that to me like way back in the day and dave will probably

[00:36:03] Remember this but when we when you switch to brands you you pretty much had to re-outfit your entire fleet unless you kept your old transfer and then and then you got into the whole having two three four transmitters for different airplanes whatever because we didn't have the model memories that we have now but they've made it so easy like you said with the tinkering and the programming and stuff to where you can make that one transmitter your do-it-all transmitter well

[00:36:28] Yes but like if you go from name brand to name brand you're still gonna have to change like futaba and spectrum don't play well together right so if you go to a third party that says okay i figured out how they do this i'll work with you guys that's how you get that well that's what i'm

[00:36:45] Saying like if you if you get a radio master transmitter then you've pretty much solved all of your compatibility issues because they're all compatible with that one transmitter i see what you're

[00:36:56] In the name brand to name brand comparison okay i mean like the the main overview where you have like the your fast and and spectrum spread spectrum stuff and all that those are proprietary to that brand yes whereas radio master is just saying i will make something to work with it right yeah what i was saying was like if you were gonna i'm sorry you said when you switch brands like to me radio master and i

[00:37:26] Maybe i'm way off on my thinking on this but i look at that as kind of like a a third party let's figure other people's stuff out yes whereas the main like radio brands yes are still only playing

[00:37:40] Well with themselves correct gotcha what i'm saying is i think we're on the same page but we don't know it if what what i'm i'll try to put it simply i'm saying if you switch from spectrum to fitaba you pretty much have to re-outfit your entire fleet you do that's exactly what i said yes and i'm saying you do yes and instead of going for say switching from spectrum to fitaba you switch from spectrum to radio master now you have a radio master that does all of it you don't have to re-outfit your entire it can talk to everybody right that's what i was getting at okay okay so anyway the only downside i can see

[00:38:16] With switching to radio master is i don't know if ford programming works with spectrum oh yeah that's a good question you've probably noticed more and more the newer spectrum receivers you need to do things in ford programming the forward programming that you can't really do

[00:38:35] Otherwise yeah so that might be a bit of an issue i'll be honest ron probably knows more about that than i do i don't even know what forward programming is all that means is on your transmitter you can

[00:38:45] Change settings that it saves on the receiver oh okay handy yeah so if you don't have a a transmitter that can talk to the receiver that way then it's kind of pointless then you're still saving it on the

[00:38:59] Transmitter under the model memory yeah so what's the advantage no there's stuff yeah in in receivers

[00:39:09] That have got like as3x or any kind of there's a bunch of stuff that you can fiddle within the receiver that you actually can't it's difficult to do that without having ford programming setup

[00:39:25] Yeah any of the receiver base stuff is what you change or what you can change with ford programming like you said as3x with gains and all that oh okay setting it up yeah something positive okay it has nothing to do with your transmitter i got you okay yeah because the old way of doing

[00:39:39] That would have been with the with the lights and the and all that now you can do it from your

[00:39:43] Transmitter or cable if you cable yeah oh that's it now i can see the advantage in that oh yeah it's a

[00:39:49] Lot easier in the old way and rob you're saying that potentially the radio master stuff or the proprietary or non-proprietary stuff i should say may or may not be compatible with that yeah i don't

[00:40:00] Know it is or not but i think that'd be a that'd be a bit of a sticking point for me potentially sure sure

[00:40:05] We got a lot of people yelling at the podcast right now saying either it is or it isn't

[00:40:09] But i've never used it so i don't know yeah well we'll probably hopefully get an email to enlighten

[00:40:15] Us there you go let us know actually good question yeah or a good thing to say let us know if that

[00:40:20] Works or not rob do you have a favorite airplane like an airplane that is always with you when you

[00:40:24] Go to the field now the one the one i probably fly the most is my 40 trainer so low wings called a phoenix scanner low wing trainer and that's the one that gets flown the most yeah probably the

[00:40:39] Most fun because it's balsa and nitro just saying i'm just saying so it's kind of like

[00:40:46] Sticking all the boxes have you owned a stick yet no i've not now i've thought about that actually

[00:40:52] Yeah okay well they come highly recommended i understand by you especially

[00:40:59] It's literally the best airplane ever i mean oh man that's i mean it is it just it does everything well so except for look like a real airplane well i mean it's got a wing and a tail and an engine and wheels it looks like an airplane to me all right well so i'm i'm the i'm the outlier i guess well that's why they're called ugly sticks well they aren't terribly attractive but they fly well they do that's why i have a sweat wing version of it you do yeah called a blue max so would you also

[00:41:33] Say that your scanner is your go-to yeah i think so yep even with the cost of nitro yeah yep i'm so glad to hear you say that because it's not electric so many times people's go-to airplanes are electric and i oh i totally understand why it's simple easy you can throw it in the car you don't have to worry about dragging the the field box and all that but i'm so glad to hear because my go-to is my stick i mean os 46 whatever the oh so go-to you don't even

[00:42:07] Remember what motor is in it well it's an la 46 okay smarty pants it's the blue one i was thinking

[00:42:13] Fp but i couldn't get la out of my mouth so because fp is the old version of the la's dave knows what i'm

[00:42:19] Talking about the bushing engine what i am what i usually do is take two you'll take a i'll take an electric and and the nitro and it means that you can fly the electric and while the batteries are

[00:42:29] Recharging you can fly the nitro yeah that's a good strategy that is a good strategy i like that i always try to take at least two with me because based on my track history especially this summer at least one i'm not going to be working yeah so i always want to make sure i have at least

[00:42:44] A backup to try to fly or you could take one and leave fred at home you try that yeah i don't think fred the dog will let you leave without him especially if he knows there are airplanes in the truck and his frisbees are in the truck we'll leave the frisbees at home maybe mom will play with

[00:43:01] Them no okay i was gonna say that it was wow

[00:43:10] All right okay do you have anything that you're working on right now rob like anything on the bench i know i'm looking at your list and we'll get to that but do you have anything that like so we have a where we live we have a definite flying season and building season and we're we're kind of getting out of flying because winter's coming do you have that sort of thing

[00:43:34] Where you live or can you fly like all year round well we can pretty much fly all year round so jealous majority of places yeah coming into summer there are there are sort of seasons where we get quite high winds around canberra which makes it a bit difficult but coming into when we're coming into summer now so it's i think it's going to be peak flying season coming shortly nice i've actually been away from home for a number of months now due to family reasons so i've not actually touched

[00:44:05] The plane so i'm very keen to get back and sure and get into get into get into doing some stuff i need to finish i've got a chipmunk off sitting there with like all the components ready to go everything that i'm really keen to get on and get get done and get in get in the air and it's so refreshing to

[00:44:24] See a chipmunk in something other than the art show paint scheme or the canadian air force training

[00:44:29] Scheme yeah and that that's actually a model of a real plane that that still flies to this day that that's awesome that chipmunk in that color so that's it's sitting i think it's in private

[00:44:41] Hands in the uk somewhere so it looks like you're going to put a dle 20 on the on the chippy

[00:44:48] Yeah yeah dle 20s i mean it's got that it's got that quite a narrow nose so i figured that having the the inline exhaust would work well and it should be should be plenty

[00:45:00] Of power for that thing so yeah that's what i put in my p40 with a narrow nose and it fit perfectly

[00:45:05] Yeah yeah nice it should be a really good combination because that's not a very heavy airplane so that should fly really really well i would say yeah i think i think the model built up

[00:45:14] It's meant to be about five kilos so call that sort of 12 pounds or something like that so yeah it should be it should be really good

[00:45:24] I'm reading the the comments that you put on the spreadsheet so 3d printed pilots

[00:45:31] Yeah i've i went a bit may have overthought this one slightly so i've gone for 3d printed printed pilots made by a company in the uk because i realized that this plane is a the model they've they've gone with isn't just like a an indicative model of a plane it's actually the registration of a real chipmunk that still exists and was in british army air corps service all through the 60s and the 70s so i've actually gone for scale pilots of british army air corps

[00:46:07] Pilots doing their flight training in the sort of mid 60s so i even went to the point of figuring out like what what helmets they would wear and what color their gear was and all that sort of stuff and with a pink bag style helmet yeah yeah so that's awesome it should actually look should look pretty scale when it when it's all put together yeah even to the point of the the trainee pilots would wear silver helmets because they were like the just the the ones they had a bulk amount of that they could just give to the trainees whereas the instructors would have their own proper white helmet so i went and figured out like what what in-service british helmets they were in the

[00:46:43] 60s and the 70s and incorporated that into the into the custom one so this this company in the uk just does 3d printing 3d printed pilots which means you can pretty much do what you want with them nice so customized custom painted the whole bit so it should look really good yeah so ron

[00:47:02] Downloaded a app right what no oh the well you bought a printer 3d printer and yeah lori my wife downloaded the the 3d camera app scanning app so ron is going to 3d print we're going to try us so that we can put us and our model airplanes yes that's the plan i don't know if it's going to work but yeah i'm actually looking forward to that at first i was like man that's kind of cheesy but then the more i thought about it you mentioned it tonight about putting a pilot in my cub it

[00:47:32] Absolutely needs a pilot and that pilot better be me it is yeah i agree and you better be making a scared face oh well of course of course because i'm always on the verge of crashing right i wouldn't say that anyway it's so cool scared i like it yeah that'll that'll be a good good looking chipmine i mean it already is but with the real pilot or the scale pilots in there i think that'll be really cool it'll be one worthy of taking to your scale competitions well i think

[00:47:57] Actually funnily enough someone else brought that same model to the sale scale competition the last one we had so but mine's gonna be better of of course done some other bits and bobs got more accurate wheels and stuff like that like that as well so nice pretty good yeah yeah i like it

[00:48:12] So that's what you're that that's probably next on the list to work on then yep that's the

[00:48:18] Next one okay i think i might try actually doing a a build after that which is a an e-res glider i think i'll try an e-res glider it's it's my first build attempt might be a little bit ambitious so there's lots of carbon fiber and stuff in there but yeah i'm up for the challenge why not i'll give

[00:48:38] It a go well you won't know until you try yeah exactly right it should go together fairly

[00:48:43] Easily from what i'm looking at here on your on your list because it looks like the the tail

[00:48:48] Boom is just carbon fiber yeah just and you just epoxy it in or epoxy it in at the at the fuselage end and the the tail surfaces are actually held in with little carbon stakes so it should

[00:49:03] Be should be pretty straightforward i think yeah just a safety tip for you working with carbon fiber make sure you wear a respirator or something you don't want to breathe that dust yeah i don't

[00:49:14] Think i think they pre-cut all the parts so it's actually it should be hopefully i can just avoid

[00:49:19] That whole thing yes that's that's pretty nasty on your lungs yeah that'd be awesome spoiler too

[00:49:26] Yeah i like that all right so we keep referencing your list i'm gonna go ahead and yeah let's just get to it i'm gonna get to it yeah i have so many good airplanes here so by the way i'm just gonna comment on the on the formatting of your list i really like it yeah i've got to up my list game now yeah yeah i and i'm not i don't like it enough to change mine because i have so much stuff on mine but the having the picture next to the the model name i love that by the way and

[00:49:58] Then the notes yeah okay so i'm just gonna get after it here so your total number up on a you've got me

[00:50:04] Up on a sunday morning and i actually did this list specifically for you guys oh really man this looks like something you've been working on so he just threw this together yeah that means i you guys suck really don't have a bad job on mine yeah so i do a lot of i do a lot of generating tables like this for work so okay yeah it was just kind of well i don't feel so bad through it together i still feel

[00:50:26] Kind of bad that you went through all this work just for us i appreciate that so your total number is 11 which is a respectable number especially having been flying for two years ish yeah cool yeah just under two years that's pretty respectable more than i had i mean yeah so yeah my first i think first 11 years in the hobby i think i only had like three airplanes so yeah got me beat by far all right so we'll start with the i'll start with the ones that you have ready to fly okay we got the phoenix

[00:50:58] Scanner which we've already talked about that's your go-to that one's got an os 46 on it yeah baby nitro yeah and i agree it's a good 40 size low wing trainer probably flies a lot like a stick only a low wing it looks a lot like a super sportster it does it kind of does yeah i like the i like the

[00:51:19] Color scheme the red white and blue all right it makes it easy to say yeah which is quite good yep the

[00:51:24] Contrast yep i like that okay next we got a durafly ef extra from what i remember those are those are

[00:51:31] Speedy little suckers so actually i actually bought this as a bit of a a bit of a high speed low cost project okay so it comes 3s and 4s capable but the motor will go to 6s so i've actually in the process of converting that to a 6s setup here that's going to be a thing i'm going to do for this for the upcoming flying period as well so oh boy yeah 6s on like a 60 amp i think 80 amp actually

[00:52:01] 80 amp bsc and like a 1300 milliamp battery so real lightweight setup yeah i think it's got a small thing with a screaming and it's gonna it's got like a five and a half inch carbon prop i've got to go on there so that sounds cool it's gonna be wow it's gonna be a little bloody hornet yeah when the

[00:52:18] Thing gets going yeah yeah awesome okay you're definitely gonna have to let us know how that pans

[00:52:23] Out there's actually there's actually some if you go on youtube and if you just youtube ef extra success there's some videos of people flying them on success and they they it's impressive and

[00:52:36] The airframes are they can take that that kind of speed and loading so they actually they actually

[00:52:41] Tell you how to do this the 6x the 6s conversion in the manual oh no kidding so so they've kind

[00:52:48] Of designed it with this in mind so it sounds like yeah so i can say so speaking from experience from my the the e-flight v900 that i have it's a blast on four cells it's designed to handle four cells and it's fast but the it doesn't fly the same on four cells as does three like that extra speed and loading you can see remember the picture you took stuff flexing at their speed so my concern would be the airframe but it sounds to me like they've they've designed it to handle that

[00:53:17] So you have to go for it and they tell you how to do it that's probably good i'm probably going to get

[00:53:21] On youtube and check that out because yeah little screaming foam airplanes are are pretty cool all right so next on the list everybody's seems like they've owned one of these need flight t28 this is the 1.1 meter just an all-around good flying airplane for what it is well ron has no i don't one yeah i know dave has owned one at least one not the small one i've got the big one oh really i've never had one well i stand corrected wow everybody yeah so have you owned one i've flown

[00:53:50] Several so you've never owned so you said it seems like everybody owns one but seems like no one

[00:53:54] Knows one seems like everybody who has been a guest on the show owns that we don't how about that is that better that's okay okay all right next we have a dynam f6 hellcat this is the pnf version that's a 50 inch i'm not familiar with this one yeah i've been around for a while i

[00:54:13] Bought this second hand actually and you will notice from the picture that the guy bought it off has actually done it up in a in a royal navy okay color scheme rather than a rather than a us color scheme so it's a bit different bit individual i bought it actually to just to try and teach myself how to fly a tail drag because you'll notice with the aero scout and i flew the the t28 after the aero scout okay as my primary that i've done a lot of tricycle undercarriage

[00:54:44] And not really done much in the way of the tail dragger so i wanted to get something to get used to it prior to prior to getting the chipmunk out because i definitely didn't want to didn't want to crash my bloody sure very nice chipmunk with a dealing on the front of it so i wanted to get something a bit cheaper to to to practice with so it goes all right i found that the the undercarriage is a little bit flimsy for for just like doing touch and goes constantly so i'll actually we'll get further down the list i've got a i've got another plane i've bought to specifically

[00:55:16] Practice with the tail dragger okay that leads me to a question i forgot to ask you at your club field

[00:55:22] What what sort of surface is the runway so funnily enough it's it's a bit of a funny one we've actually got a the runway surface is flattened dirt and on top of the flattened dirt they've put down conveyor belt material out of a paper mill yep we we've still we're not unfamiliar with that

[00:55:43] As well i know i and that one of the clubs i flew out as a kid that's exactly what we used except it

[00:55:48] Was on top of grass so it was lumpy yeah so this is this is quite apparently this is quite this has been quite common in all the clubs around our area because there was one paper mill that everyone went and got the conveyor belt material from sure so yeah it's it's been like that it's been like that for years so it works pretty well how wide would you see about oh would it be 12 quick maths in my head call a sort of 25 feet wide oh okay that's pretty good yeah nice not bad at all no yeah all

[00:56:20] Right so the the f6 how catch you bought to practice with the tail dragger and that so

[00:56:28] The landing gear is flimsy on that one yeah it's it's been sort of yeah retractable fiddled with and kind of repaired a number of times and it's just got that that little bit of four and aft movement where it'll it'll get sort of near the cog and then wanna wanna check it goes yeah yeah so so it i've sort of fiddled with it and haven't really got it to a point where it's i trust it and the the dynam retracts are a little bit renowned for being a bit finicky on

[00:57:01] Occasion so yeah it's it's it's an option but it probably needs something with just like a a fixed aluminium under undercarriage as a tail dragger to just be a bit more robust for

[00:57:12] Just doing touches and goes all the time yeah especially if you're gonna fly like a like we do off of a grass field that can be kind of lumpy sometimes probably not a great option all right so next i have trouble with the the name of this one it's either volantex or volantex which one is

[00:57:29] It or am i i'm gonna go with volantex i've never heard anyone say it okay volantex is the way i read

[00:57:34] It okay and that's a phoenix 2000 looks like a glider i'm not familiar with this one looks cool

[00:57:40] Yeah so this is a this is a a low-cost glider do you have do you guys have a company in the us that sells stuff online called banggood yeah but we have access to banggood yeah i think

[00:57:55] Most of it's from their international warehouse which is out of china global warehouse yeah so this

[00:58:01] Is this is a this is a this is a banggood special this thing but seems to be pretty pretty well renowned as a pretty decent glider for for the money yeah so this is a this is kind of a a low-cost way of getting into a getting into a motor glider yeah that's not a two like not a three channel actually has flaps and i've set up a canvas system on it that's cool i'm i'm yet to fly it it's it's sitting there all ready to go and i had to come up away from home for a while so i've not got this thing out yet but i'm very keen to get this thing up in the air cool it's not

[00:58:35] It's not a small model it's a 79 inch wing so yeah that's a nice looking airplane pretty good size

[00:58:41] Actually yeah yeah all right and then we got a hobby oh go ahead it's good because it comes with a it comes with quite a cool little snap lock system for getting the wings so both wings come off so you can really reduce it down to a pretty easy to transport package and the wings just really nicely clip on so it's it's good little setup actually on that thing cool folding prop looks

[00:59:04] Like it's got a folding prop on it yeah yep nice no it looks it looks pretty cool actually banggood i may have to look into that yeah i think hobby king sells those as well oh do they okay cool speaking of hobby king that's our next airplane a hobby king radjet 800 i've looked at these things a couple of times and have you flown it yet rob i have i have flown this a fair bit okay and so i bought this

[00:59:27] As my speed project -huh that got that then got overtaken by the by the ef extra i found that so this thing's a two elevon and esc setup so like a like a three channel what i've found is i really like having rudder control so either i'd have to get something similar with rudders this one's you probably could you probably could modify it to have rudder control

[00:59:58] But i found that it just doesn't have the level control i'd like so this has been flown but is kind of languishing in the in the back of the spare room a little bit this one is it fast i mean because

[01:00:10] It looks fast to me like all the youtube stuff i've looked at that and that's why it kind of intrigued me i thought oh this looks like it could be and this was before i bought the v900 so it's a while back

[01:00:20] But is it fast relatively not fast enough to be fun fast okay that makes it's pretty good and there are i've found videos on on youtube of them going fast and all those videos they've done like an engine swap and an esc swap so okay out of the box yeah okay that's everything i needed to know

[01:00:45] About that airplane i'm glad i chose what i chose instead of that one yeah so and then

[01:00:50] So next we have the e-flight umx turbo timber which those fly really well from what i understand yeah

[01:00:58] Yeah so this is this is where i really after crashing the first aeroscout this is where i actually did all my initial flying and it does fly well i agree i've just found that it only i found that wind gets to it a lot so yeah quite frustrating having to go out either early in morning or like picking the time of day to fly the thing yeah because otherwise it just gets

[01:01:23] Thrown around right yeah the umx the umx airplanes are really small and light and yeah any kind of wind greatly by the way even the as with the as3x and all that stuff it can still get just like you said tossed around and not a lot of fun if you're trying to practice precision landings and things like that yeah but a lot of the bigger version i've heard flies really really well too so that might be on my to purchase list one of these days you think so the bigger one yeah they look cool they do even with those big ugly wheels they are big cool ron likes the big wheels

[01:01:57] I'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna go with big cool wheels as well actually i kind of like

[01:02:01] The backcountry look is pretty cool right i love the bush bush plane look yeah okay and then

[01:02:09] So that does it for the ready to fly so seven that are ready to go at a moment's notice with proper charging ahead of time and then so we move on to almost ready to fly you got one on this list and it's one of my all-time favorites the sig four star 40 huge fan of that airplane yeah so this is

[01:02:28] This is one of i bought secondhand so i bought built up ready to go just missing a receiver so like i was talking about with the the f6 wanting to have something relatively robust as a tail dragger to learn properly how to fly a tail dragger before moving on to the chipmunk yep this is this is what i found on a on a secondhand secondhand swap meet type thing and i thought this thing is perfect for that yeah it's got the it's a great great plane it's

[01:02:59] Well regarded obviously solid solid undercarriage it's pretty much does everything i wanted i wanted to do and i think once i get it out and flying it it potentially might become the the go-to potentially we'll see yeah it it's a beautiful build i love how kind of svelte and light the airframe is it's it's really nicely made whoever did it so i'm very keen to get this

[01:03:24] Thing up in the end yeah svelte that is a that is a very accurate description in my opinion of the four star of the all of them like they do the 40 size they do a 60 size they do a 120 size there might even be a giant one out there that's not kitted but like plans available yeah i'm a huge fan this was like one of my third or fourth airplanes it was like early on like when i started flying i built one of these and man what a great flight it's almost like well i mean it's a low-wing trainer essentially yeah with a semi-symmetrical wing i think you'll like it a lot actually and it

[01:03:58] Handles wind pretty well too so there you go okay awaiting build so these are these are the ones the the kit which okay i'll talk about it in a minute so we've got the we've got the seagull chipmunk which we've already talked about that one you're going to do that up real nice and scale with the pilots it sounds awesome send us pics when it's done and then okay so the performance models glider kit can we really call that building if it's i mean it's not like it's not like building in the traditional sense of the word right why you're still building a wing oh well i guess that's true

[01:04:32] That's a true balsa it is that's true it's just slightly different techniques right yeah so okay don't knock it till you've tried it that's you that's true so when when what sort of time frame we're looking at for you to get that one on the table and start putting it together all right

[01:04:47] That's a good question i reckon realistically i reckon early next year okay we'd see that one commencing hopefully so yeah but yeah as ed's wrong was saying it's it's got carbon fiber tubes in it to to strengthen but primarily it's a it's a balsa build and that's i guess that's the whole point of the e-res style gliders is to keep the things relatively simple in terms of build so hopefully it should go together pretty easily i've looked through the instructions and it looks pretty straightforward it's just i guess the

[01:05:19] Complexity is the integration of the the carbon whereas on a on a more simple builder just all be balsa or apply but it looks i think it should be doable yeah so this is a v tail so we

[01:05:33] Have to i'm assuming you'll have to set up some sort of mixing and the transfer to get that because you got you've got the v tail and then a spoiler nothing else in the wing right yeah so no

[01:05:43] Ailerons or flaps or anything like that no that'll be interesting so yeah well i've got the i've got the the the model set up in my my dx8 already ready to go nice so and yeah it's essentially just doing a v tail setup and i quite like for two channel flying with the rudder on the rudder on the aileron like on the right hand side rather than rather than switching it so you still have like a like a stick like a plane okay so i've got that all set up ready to go so yeah

[01:06:16] So that begs that begs the question do you fly mode one or mode two mode two okay all right cool

[01:06:23] Well because you never know no and that's exactly what i was thinking okay like that was my next

[01:06:28] Question but you took it out of my mouth i'm sorry yeah like what i like to do with a v tail with just rudder only so i'll set it up on the right stick like an aileron i also just mix the rudder 100 so i can control the rudder from either stick so okay yeah yeah that makes sense yeah that way if you get used to control being my left hand naturally wants to move things around yeah yeah and my left

[01:06:50] Makes sense to coordinate turns automatically now thanks to you dave so perfect all right last on the list is probably the one i'm most excited about on your list is the asm a26 arf and this is not a small airplane which is really kind of the odd man out on all of your on your whole list

[01:07:09] Yeah this this one this one's a bit of a let's call it a stretch goal so this one this one i'm i'm pretty excited to get into this i've done a lot of thinking about setup on this one so off obviously it's it's quite a complicated off yes i guess yes the the instructions you open the instruction booklet and on the front page it says in big red letters if you are not experienced if you are not an experienced builder or flyer do not commence this model essentially it's really

[01:07:40] Setting the scene right but yeah it's so the instructions are pretty good they're pretty indicative actually so there's a lot of stuff that's just kind of left the imagination okay and the the model is set up for was was set up for like 55 glow twin and i'm going to do it electric so and it the instructions cover electric to a degree but i think there's going to be a fair bit of me kind of fiddling and making it work a little bit to to get it to get it organized so yeah it's

[01:08:17] Quite it's it's a bit of a step up for me in terms of complexity both in terms of flying and putting it together but i'm i'm pretty keen to to sort of get it get it organized so yeah it's it's an

[01:08:29] Interesting one for sure so you're gonna are you gonna leave it in the as or the esm colors are you gonna are you gonna do it up different so because i noticed you're putting a 3d pilot bus in this one

[01:08:41] Too yeah so it's staying in those colors because they're korean war colors so guess what i've gone and got korean war pilots that's awesome to the point where actually to the point where i went and did some research as to as to what type of goggles usaf pilots had in korean in the korean war what type of jackets they wore i've got i've got photo evidence for all my selections for what they're what the pilots are wearing so i've actually got the

[01:09:13] The the pilot is wearing aviators with just his with just his pig cap on rather than his rather than his b8 goggles and that's actually that's accurate i've got a photo of someone doing that so i feel justified there you're gonna put a crew member on the front too so i'm actually going to go two side by side in the cockpit okay because the nose cone isn't isn't really well set up to have a figurine in there there's a bit of bracing and stuff in there okay so i've got two in the cockpit and then actually going to have a the gunner in the gunner station at the back that

[01:09:44] You can see as well so i'm all good to go i actually did a a fair bit of i guess research into this one because i found a build log on rc groups of a of a guy who did the build of a made by the same company made by asm a build of a p61 black widow and he did a lot of work to build out the interior of the aircraft scale so it looked it was very scale from the outside you could

[01:10:14] See all the details in the cockpit and it kind of energized me to do something similar and then i kind of i've paired it back a bit because i realized i don't i don't have the time or frankly the inclination to go to that level of detail right but but do want to totally get that yeah so so painting like painting out the painting out the interior of the the cockpit and the appropriate the appropriate that green us aircraft yeah the zinc chromate color and doing some other details to make it to make it relatively scale i'm putting in a putting in a an

[01:10:48] Instrument panel with instruments that replicates what's in the real aircraft because in the real aircraft the pilot sits on one side and there's actually a passageway on his right hand side so there isn't a second like a full-time second seat and there isn't a co-pilot per se it's a flight engineer who then moves around the aircraft lots of things in the air so he's going to have he's going to have a seat he's going to be positioned next to the pilot but the the actual instrument panel on the aircraft only covers like two-thirds of the of the front of the plane

[01:11:18] So just going to do some scale details like that but yeah other than that yeah trying to figure out stuff like yeah i think it'll look awesome and it's a pretty big plane i think it's going to have some really good presence in the air when the thing's up absolutely it won't sound as cool

[01:11:33] With the electrics but i guess i can forgive that is this a fiberglass or is it built up i can't remember

[01:11:40] So it's it's it's a combination built up it's built up balsa and plywood with actually like a abs carbon body over it oh really okay yeah it's quite unusual that way so the the wings are built up normally but the the fuselage and the nacelles are actually plastic with an internal wooden

[01:12:04] Slash carbon structure nice yeah reminiscent of the old sig quick build kits yeah i'm really had my thoughts and yeah cool well like i said before the the list i love the format and ron is probably going to update change mine to match yours and you even provided links on the on the right hand side which is very handy because yeah because i'm going to go i'm going to go check out a couple of these actually oh we can talk about this real quick thoughts on streamlining your plane collection

[01:12:37] For the space conscious enthusiast i think i know where you're going with that because i've had to do that with my other hobby which is lego i know don't judge me i am but yeah i've sort of had to narrow down my my my collecting because it's just getting overwhelming right because of my available space so yeah i i haven't done that with airplanes i if i like an airplane i buy it and i figure out a place to store and i think pretty much that's how the everybody here at the table has done things

[01:13:08] But have you found that you needed to to do that well i rent so i don't have i can't sort of do any modifications and put stuff on the wall or do anything way of storing stuff yeah so storage of aircraft is becoming a bit of an issue maybe a la reggie but obviously not that bad and getting worse apparently yeah yeah but i guess it's also a question of do you do you guys ever find that like how like how many low wing 40 trainers can you own what i mean like

[01:13:44] Do you find that you you have a lot of aircraft that you fly that essentially it's the same flying experience aircraft to aircraft yes and you could potentially kind of streamline and not have as

[01:13:54] Many of a similar type depends on your end goal i mean yeah i don't mind having more airplanes so i don't want to get rid of them and have just one of everything but if you have to yeah i could see doing that but if you like them why get rid of them right and and so that's that's a really great point

[01:14:13] Is i've i've experienced that i i currently have two hanger 9 t34s i don't want to get rid of either one of them i like them both they are exactly the same airplane dave's air the one i got from dave it's a little bit more airplane because we've got the flaps and and lights and i have slides it weighs a little bit more yeah so it's a little bit of a different flying experience but they're both the same airplane but i i don't want to get rid of either one of them but they're different colors

[01:14:43] Right there you go but they're the same type and yeah if i had to if i had to downsize absolutely i would i would probably get rid of multiples of of the similar type like a low wing sport plane

[01:14:55] Get rid of one of multiples you mean right yeah yeah i gotcha so like all of mine i've got multiple quarter scale world war one airplanes but they're all unique flying experience they all fly different everything i have flies differently even though i've got an f86 jet and i've got an f15 they are completely different yeah so i really couldn't anything on flying experience because

[01:15:20] They're all so different yeah yeah yeah i get that but i'm i'm definitely to the point where i can't really add much more to me to my well yeah you got all kinds of space way more than than i do i don't

[01:15:36] Know like i really don't like there is not the planes are not stored well and you're safe they're safe but they're not stored like i don't have yeah there's a lot just sitting on the floor in the basement

[01:15:48] But but no to sort of hit that topic yeah absolutely and that's exactly how i would downsize the collection is i would downsize the ones that are most similar or identical so yeah yeah i mean how many biopings does a guy need right zero i've got quite a few for me

[01:16:09] I think if you can i think if you can if you've got the space i mean why not i mean it's you you might as well just just just keep on going but i've found that i think i'm going to be hit i'm going to hit my limit at like a dozen and that's that's kind of that's kind of it i don't think i'd fit them anywhere else yeah so you really need to make some hard decisions about what to keep

[01:16:30] And what not to keep or what to change well you got to figure what you like and what you don't like and that i think is just you will naturally fly one more than another right and the ones that you don't fly very often maybe those aren't as important to you and you don't need to keep them

[01:16:43] Well and that and that sort of hits the next bullet point in the email you sent to us figuring out what direction to go in the hobby having having been in the hobby for a couple years now you you kind of know what you like and what you don't like and what you prefer to fly over things that you don't prefer and i think that'll sort of guide what you what you acquire in the future and i think that's true for everybody like i have a preferred type of air like i really really enjoy sticks obviously so i tend to gravitate towards airplanes that fly

[01:17:14] Like a stick what i mean like i'm not a 3d pilot or anything like that so those kinds of airplanes don't really yeah get me going right like a really well-built stick or whatever so i think what you decide what direction you go in the hobby sort of depends on what sort of what you're drawn to

[01:17:34] Fills your yeah checks all the boxes and that's going to change from year to year over time yes

[01:17:39] And based on based on other stuff that you experience like you may go to the field next week and some new guy that's the new member of the club is out there with some new airplane that looks like it flies awesome and he gives you the sticks and you fly it and then now you've changed your mind now you want one of these so your direction could change

[01:17:57] Or the problem is you talk to a bunch of different people and find out what they're flying and think i want one of those too yeah and then get into it that way like we have i mean definitely from the podcast from talking to different people has taken me into different ways that i wasn't expecting to go

[01:18:11] I never i never ever ever thought that i would have enjoyed gliders as much as i as i yeah that's the biggest thanks to you buying that glider at the which all goes back to interviewing guests and

[01:18:25] Having having someone talk about gliders so getting ideas yeah exactly absolutely yeah and

[01:18:31] As far as keeping the hobby alive the next bullet here yeah getting getting the new the next generation interested is it's a challenge it's it's hard like ron he's trying to get his daughter in she's on the simulator and she seems she and i were talking a little bit about it earlier and i asked her if it was fun and she said no i'm like what do you mean it's not fun and then i forget what it was she's trying to figure something out or or like i think she said something about crashing and then i was like of course well well that's what the simulator is for the more you do

[01:19:04] It the better you get at it well then that makes it sound like it's work yeah no i don't want it i don't want her to think it's work so yeah i don't know what the what the secret is but definitely getting younger people involved is is gotta be the direction we're gonna have to go

[01:19:19] Yeah from from from your perspective do you do you feel like there was a younger crowd sort of 20 years ago in the in the hobby and in its heyday and i feel like maybe that crowd has just stayed on but the whole body of people doing the activity has not really grown since then i don't know if if what your thoughts about that are yeah i would say it kind of feels that way

[01:19:41] To me as well like so 20 years ago i was trying to get my kids kind of interested in it because i was interested in it and they showed no interest at all and that was sort of a common occurrence with with the other friends that i was flying with at the time they were trying to get their kids or or neighbors or whatever into it and it just i don't know if it has something to do with

[01:20:02] The proliferation of video gaming probably so it's so much easier to do it that way and that's

[01:20:07] A cheaper yeah absolutely so but i think i think i hope i'm hopeful maybe not the last few years because of covet and all that kind of stuff but with the with what you can purchase now ready to fly for less than a couple hundred bucks and how successful people have been with these types of airplanes i i'm hopeful that that will bring in the next generation to keep

[01:20:31] The hobby going yeah i agree i've got a question actually going back to the a26 okay and and it ties in actually to when you guys did the dualists which is central battery powering two motors oh this is because that's how this is how you set up yours one ron wasn't it correct you had how'd you go with wiring in battery to escs to motors did you run like decent thickness cables out from the

[01:21:01] From the fuselage to escs mounted out in the wings now i have to think because it's been a long time ago

[01:21:09] So my original plan was to do two batteries and the nacelles it was not possible to do that and still get cg without putting a ton of weight in the back so it flies with one battery in the center one battery has i think it goes to a y harness you would go over to yeah so it goes to a y harness yeah to a to a splitter to get to each esc and motor and then only one of the esc's powers the radio so i cut the cut the red wire yeah the power wire off that way the ground and everything is the same

[01:21:45] Between them all but yeah so that's why i hooked that one up yeah yeah because i'm this is this is

[01:21:50] Thinking about the a26 because i know like both motors both motors at anything above 80 throttle are going to pull sort of 100 plus amps yeah so i'm thinking about how like decent thickness cables coming off the middle because the a26 is actually in the plans or in the in the build

[01:22:09] Book it actually tells you to put the batteries in the nacelles but i can't figure out how to i can't figure out how to fit them in there's just not enough space in there to put a this thing's going to run on like a success probably two by six s four thousand or five thousand so trying to fit them in just doesn't look it doesn't look

[01:22:27] Feasible so yeah and see that was the problem with the way i did it so i designed it to where the motors went more forward obviously because the nacelles i built or built were size for the batteries i was going to put it in so mine is a lot more squared off than the plans called for thinking that's where the batteries were going to mount i regret that a lot because of like i could have had the motors farther back and had it done really more to sleep like to plan yeah more sleek had i known i wasn't gonna be able to get the the batteries in there so yeah that is kind

[01:23:02] Of my point like i could not have fit that in with or fit the batteries in by going by the plans i had to change it so i don't know where you will be able to find a spot to put all that i'm thinking

[01:23:13] Of sitting them just on top of the on top of the wing in the center section in the fuselage because that's a there's like a yeah if you have room that's true yeah and i'd prefer to have that weight

[01:23:24] In the center instead of out on the wings yeah so it's gonna roll better it's gonna be less stress

[01:23:28] On the wings yeah yeah i also think as as the as the batteries degrade i don't need to worry about like a thrust differential true because if it's if it's the same power going to

[01:23:38] Both sides yeah that's a good point this is going to be weird for me to say though but since you're already a nitro guy i would probably do those nitro he's already made up his mind though he's going to go electric i know but i'm just saying that's probably what i would end up doing with that

[01:23:53] Yeah yeah it might make it easier yeah it might be a good time to look at those sh engines those gas gas gas engines yeah i'm i'm very interested i'm gonna check that guy's youtube

[01:24:07] Channel tonight when i get home yeah see if he's made any progress he hasn't posted in a while but

[01:24:11] They look very promising and they're surprisingly affordable i think the i think their 52 the sh52 gas glow if i recall was like less than 210 bucks i think it was like 209 i think is what it was it's not bad which for me that's that's very good now granted there's no ignition so you don't have to pay for that but yeah i mean for a decent quality engine that runs on gas not bad at all might not be a bad option what else you got i think i'm i think i'm done i think i'm good

[01:24:45] All right well like i said before it's been it's been a lot of fun thank you for giving us your sunday morning i i sure appreciate that oh thanks thanks for thanks for having me on it's

[01:24:55] Been a been a lot of fun and annoyingly you've given me lots of things to think about in terms of purchases which is which is never good that's always the fun part yeah yeah maybe that is the fun

[01:25:04] Part actually if we can plant the seed for other people to spend more of their hard-earned income then we've done our job because we do it ourselves yes we we can miserate in other people's pain so thanks again it's it's been it's been a hoot and make sure you give us send us updates like if you if you make progress on on any of your like the chippy or the a26 send us send us pictures to the to the web page we'll we'll put them on there for others to see there you

[01:25:35] Go all right so that's all i got i'm tom i'm ron i'm dave and i'm rub there we go have a great night

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