Ep 192: Tommy fixes his jet, and other stuff

[unknown speaker 00:00:14] me yeah you that's what this means i'm pointing at you but when you do that three fingers are pointing back at you hello everyone and welcome to the rc plane lab podcast i'm ron i'm tom and i'm dave so this is about the only time you're going to hear my voice or dave's voice today that is pretty close to being true you guys are going to ask me all kinds of questions about the

[unknown speaker 00:00:35] stuff i'm going to talk about oh good we will be the supporting cast welcome to my world well because you guys are lazy and didn't do anything i had to carry the episode this month you do this

[unknown speaker 00:00:46] week this week this by week by week this by monthly by weekly by tribe anyway yes this is the tommy episode not by choice so i i flew two of my sticks a couple batteries through each one of those yes i'm done that's that's it huh yeah the night ultra stick is is awesome i still think that's my favorite airplane that's a bold statement yeah it is a bold statement okay for night flying

[unknown speaker 00:01:20] it's my favorite airplane your shiny's not like i would have thought the shiny would be nope well then you should give that to me no you're going to be getting one some year

[unknown speaker 00:01:31] maybe actually i do have a spare if you can get henry to yeah remember to take it to lito henry rowhouse i'm talking about if you're listening henry not don't forget my shiny please

[unknown speaker 00:01:44] again for the third time yeah anyway no so i flew that and i flew the the regular ultra ultra stick the balsa one on 4s that's a bunch of fun i'm surprised we haven't done more flying because

[unknown speaker 00:01:58] the weather has been really really good the last couple weeks here so the problem with the weather

[unknown speaker 00:02:03] being good well actually and we had our fly-ins so we had the jet meet and then after the the next weekend was the scale meet then i had a camping trip then i had the last weekend was literally catching up on stuff around the house that i gave up on for the last month and a half so yeah spring should be spring fall should be fun fall should be good that and it got hot again now so i really don't much feel like going outside and i keep waiting for the corn to go away yeah it's on it like i

[unknown speaker 00:02:31] noticed on the way out tonight some of it has been taken out already which is really early oh really but like yeah i noticed that yeah on 55 there if you look you can see several fields that i've

[unknown speaker 00:02:40] seen a couple fields out cool yeah i've seen they've starting to get dried out and brown

[unknown speaker 00:02:47] well we're in we're in kind of yeah we're in kind of a drought actually yeah i saw a new term that i had not seen before maybe you have seen it also i don't know flash drought never heard of that yeah

[unknown speaker 00:03:00] that's the first time i've heard that i heard that a couple days ago yeah like flash flood but

[unknown speaker 00:03:04] the opposite of that it's a flash drought i don't think that's possible because flash floods come you know immediately yeah flash droughts just can't right yeah i saw that on facebook i guess a while

[unknown speaker 00:03:17] back oh that means a few days ago and i'm like now you're just inventing stuff to get to sound smart yeah to click on your ads or pages or whatever but yeah flash drought fields are really dry i'm concerned about fires yeah i'm very concerned about field fires that's the thing here yeah well not

[unknown speaker 00:03:37] not by me we're close enough we'd have the smoke we don't have to worry about fire fire right so we talk about airplanes on this airplane podcast right not just what are you looking at

[unknown speaker 00:03:47] my phone's ringing well who is it is it important well i can call back would you like us to pause no that's fine okay so anyway yeah weather's been nice but it is getting hot again and we do have an event this weekend that we're going to be out in the heat again i don't think it's going to be

[unknown speaker 00:04:04] as bad as st louis though yeah but you're literally in a corn cutout i don't know how else to put it but it's it's like a field corn stamp it yeah i mean it's it's a field that was just taking out or taken out of corn so across the street is corn to the left is corn relief ahead of you is corn to the right of

[unknown speaker 00:04:21] use corn it's in the middle of the corn it's yeah we will be children in the corn ah that was not funny it's really terrible so we do talk about airplanes on this podcast yeah yeah so a quick update on the ranger no it can't be quick we got a lot to fill well i was just trying to segue into the oh topic yes tell us about okay so how about an update on the ranger very very good the repairs are done so it was a fairly involved repair for the nose gear so it's a fiberglass fuselage

[unknown speaker 00:04:53] the nose gear mounting structure is a kind of a a pre-assembled structure that was then put into the mold i think when the fuselage halves were joined so it was not easy it wasn't just glued in afterwards didn't look like it to me and i did discover that there was a couple of joints up there that were light on the glue but that is no more

[unknown speaker 00:05:27] there's 17 pounds of glue in the front of there's well it's not just that but anyway i glued all the pieces that i could get to fit together again glued them together and i put them back into the fuselage and glued them into the fuselage and then i reinforced it all with some

[unknown speaker 00:05:46] various shapes of tri-stock and plywood and i made a new mount for the actual gear because the mount itself had splintered because it's light ply you know how that stuff is when it yeah it gets cracked breaks right so yeah yeah or crashes thanks but anyway the the nose gear was probably the more complex repair that i've that i've had to put back together in an airplane but it's done the right main gear was a piece of cake just glued all the pieces pretty much back together and

[unknown speaker 00:06:20] then added some reinforcement how do you guys feel about epoxy like do you guys like to i like to mix my epoxy when i'm doing repairs anyway with micro balloons to thicken it up a little bit so it

[unknown speaker 00:06:31] doesn't run all over the place do you do that dave i haven't been able to find micro balloons for so long i know it's out there it's easy to find but yeah i think about some of brian's yeah what i prefer especially like a landing gear area milled fire glass yeah makes that stuff like a rock yeah

[unknown speaker 00:06:50] i don't have any of that but i would have been once again it's hard to find well you can make it too yeah you can just cut up you know fiberglass cloth i guess in this tiny pieces but anyway i didn't have any of that so i used micro balloons but i like to use micro balloons to thicken it up so it looks

[unknown speaker 00:07:06] better when it's done you know what i mean like it's not you don't have drips and runs and shiny spots and it kind of stays where you put it now i understand some people say that when you do that it doesn't soak in because it's not thin enough don't know if i buy that or not no the epoxy is still thin it's

[unknown speaker 00:07:26] just got some bulk to it with the right fluff yeah the fluff stays on top but that epoxy still soaks in

[unknown speaker 00:07:33] right so anyway i feel pretty confident about the physical repairs and once the repairs were done

[unknown speaker 00:07:42] let's see what else there was one other thing i had to fix you had to do the back the this is this by the way i mean horizontal stab yes thank you okay which actually that was a super easy repair so apparently when the airplane hit the ground it was at an angle obviously cartwheeled it looks like it was below the weeds like we meant we talked about this a little bit so i couldn't actually see it like once it descended below that line of weeds that were past the ditch it burned

[unknown speaker 00:08:14] perfect at any rate it took the whatever stab left hand stab i think it was and pulled it back so it broke the mounting points in the structure so the stabs are built up they're not fiberglass like the fuselage this is the earlier version of the ranger same for the wings they're also built up

[unknown speaker 00:08:35] so it broke the tube the outer tube that the inner tube slides into you know because they slide you know kind of like the receiver yeah there you go whatever you want to call it so it broke that from the from the ribs on the inner structure so i thought when i was on my way home i was like oh that's you know that's not going to be easy to repair because it's a thin stab you know it's not like really thick there's not a lot of reward well there's a servo hatch right there i pulled the servo off and it was just right it was all right there so that was a really super easy so all that is fixed the airplane is ready to fly again i did run it and here's what i discovered

[unknown speaker 00:09:15] a few weeks prior to the jet event you and i were actually talking about it ron about whether you should defuel a jet airplane or not because of the uat you know you introduce it well i had defueled it completely like uat tank everything a few weeks prior to that event and to facilitate maintenance in the house because i don't want you know diesel fuel dripping onto the carpet in the house and

[unknown speaker 00:09:46] if there's fuel left in the uat that means i'm probably leaving at least a little bit of fuel in the tank and if i'm turning the airplane upside down fuel is going to run out of the vent into the vent tube and then when i flip the airplane back over it's going to run out of the vent the overflow vent on the airframe and onto my carpet laurie would probably not appreciate that so i completely defueled it so i could facilitate maintenance just don't tell her right yeah you can't smell it yeah you can't it's not like you can smell it i just tell her what are you talking about so anyway fast forward to the event the jet event had four successful flights not

[unknown speaker 00:10:23] an issue the first few flights i remember paying attention during the start and run up initial run up and i think maybe even the first couple of them i actually did the shake the nose thing and i never saw any air so i was like oh yeah we're good right so when we brought the airplane back to the pits after the crash i again completely defueled it because i knew i was going to be you know flipping it or whatever and i mean it's not flyable at this point anyway so who cares if

[unknown speaker 00:10:54] there's air in the system it'll be like i'm starting all over right i did not back up a little bit i did not do like on that last flight i fueled it up started it on the very last one like yeah exactly okay started it and i gave it just a cursory yep it's good put the hatch on and went and flew i didn't actually you didn't shake it i didn't i definitely didn't shake it that flight or i think maybe the

[unknown speaker 00:11:25] one or two flights before that because i had never shake mine either i know i know but you don't ever defuel completely defuel yours no even now it has probably a quarter tank yeah that's apparently a no-no anyway what is lessons to completely defuel oh i thought you meant to leave it in i was like i don't think so no at any rate the last flight i didn't do the shake and i gave it just a cursory look inside as it was running up and i think i even put the hatch on before it was fully you know at idle so i may have what i'm saying is i may have skipped a step on the pre-flight complacency

[unknown speaker 00:12:03] complacency thank you yep and anyway when i got it home and got the repairs done i filled everything back up and ran it outside and i discovered that it was extremely difficult to get all of the air out of the system i don't remember it being this difficult initially like on the very first startup when we you know when we had it at eli but like it took i mean without exaggerating it took

[unknown speaker 00:12:33] like three minutes for me to work all of the air out of the system at idle like air was hiding everywhere like there was air in the uat that i that i couldn't see unless i tapped on it you know and then finally that would break a bubble loose and then you'd see it you know get sucked into the intake or the the pump intake line and then i would tap on the pump the fuel pump itself and then i would see more air and then i would tap on the fuel filter kind of like you're trying to unseat a needle in a carburetor you know how you like on an old holly carburetor you would tap it to break the

[unknown speaker 00:13:05] kind of the same motion and i would see air coming out of the filter and then finally finally i didn't see any air but that took a good i mean four minutes at least because it was it was a half a tank of fuel so let me ask you this though did it ever die no because i was never really above idle

[unknown speaker 00:13:26] like i think if i had been at you know quarter to half throttle or more it may have been enough air for it to flame out like there were some really big i want to say gaps of fuel in the lines air pockets that at idle it ate if that makes sense like it would you could hear the rpms drop but it never flamed out at idle once i saw that all well i thought all the air was gone then i ran it up and then more air like not big bubbles but tiny bubbles tiny bubbles

[unknown speaker 00:14:02] no is that no song or something yeah anyway before my time yeah who was that tony something tony tony bennett might have been tony bennett i don't know it doesn't matter at any rate at half and wide open still more air you know came out and then you know i'm again with the tapping finally got it to a point where i could run it at full throttle and not see any air and that took i mean that took a good five seven minutes worth of like it was almost a full tank of fuel

[unknown speaker 00:14:32] to work all of that air out of the system so i think what caused the flame out was i think it was air and if you go back and look at what causes yeah and if you go back and look at the data like which is cool i'm sure all the manufacturers do that but king tech you know it stores the last four runs right in the dru drm drm and you can you can see you know you know turbine inlet temperature or whatever you can see it drop off like almost immediately and then you can see me pull the throttle back so like yeah it's it was out of fuel not out of fuel but like a you know pocket in the

[unknown speaker 00:15:08] line yeah that's something you can like in the future if you pull it down like that for maintenance is it something you can draw a vacuum on on the fuel system yeah i don't know not that i know of

[unknown speaker 00:15:21] i mean i i don't think you'd want to do that you collapse all your lines and all that stuff but nothing is bleed breaks yeah i maybe i would say no i'm saying that completely pulling it i mean

[unknown speaker 00:15:31] there is an electric pump in the system so you'd have to be pulling it through the pump but i don't see why you wouldn't be able to just to help speed that process up yeah i bet you i bet you could hook it onto the the line that's that's going into the turbine and then hook your vacuum onto that i bet you i bet you could pull most of the air out that way but it gets trapped everywhere like i mean there are a lot of places for air to get trapped in one of these systems don ho don oh that's the one tiny bubbles 1966 oh that's before my time even at any rate the ranger is good to go

[unknown speaker 00:16:06] i believe i have all the air out of the system and i'm going to add to my checklist to verify even if i'm not going to shake the nose at least watch the airlines when i run it up at least closely

[unknown speaker 00:16:18] yeah i yeah so i think you were getting more comfortable with it with each flight oh for sure and i think you were doing more nose down attitude flight stuff and yeah flinging things around and doing stuff more that might have you know freed something broken something loose air in a

[unknown speaker 00:16:40] sitting right that would have been fine had you just been yeah that's right there at the top of something and right moved it all yep yeah because the first few flights were mostly boring straight and level yeah just getting used to it yeah but and i even said like as the day went on i i think i haven't made the comment man i'm getting super comfortable with these things yeah yeah and then it came back to bite you so i i think it was a combination of of me defueling it completely the week weeks prior introducing air into the system and then not taking the time to purge at all when

[unknown speaker 00:17:11] i fueled it back up and got it ready to fly again yeah i'm gonna say that you're probably right this was

[unknown speaker 00:17:17] a self-fulfilled prophecy by taking but i learned i learned a lot and so did i by the way yeah clean the airplane up as soon as it flames out and by that i mean pull the gear up you know maybe if you have some flaps in pull some of the flaps out or all of them before you hit especially

[unknown speaker 00:17:36] yeah oh yeah for sure so you probably would have gone with hardly any repairs had you done that yep yep because you also got it's by getting dirty and stuff you were more prone to stall and tip stall

[unknown speaker 00:17:49] and and yeah don't be afraid to to make your turns a little sharper give yourself more of a

[unknown speaker 00:17:55] chance to get back to the field and of course that all depends on the airplane right i mean of course but floater your airplanes you don't have to be as concerned about but yeah you're right yeah so

[unknown speaker 00:18:03] had that been an mb339 like yours i probably would have had no problem at all making it back to the field no mine is a little heavier a little sleeker a little higher wing loading yeah so but yeah i learned a lot about about what to do in an engine off situation and also learned a lot about my fuel system so yeah yeah all in all not a bad i mean it could have been so much worse oh yeah it'll fly

[unknown speaker 00:18:31] again soon yeah hopefully soon soon and that next couple weeks kind of reminds me too this is a little off topic but i was thinking the other day that maybe come october because this is going to be kind of a busy month but after it cools down a little bit i would like to take many airplanes that i have not flown yet and just make a day over to eli another day of maidens and right i love it i mean i've got multiple they've got one maiden at least one right no it's it's half

[unknown speaker 00:18:59] maiden it's got a half a flight no it doesn't it has a flip and a

[unknown speaker 00:19:04] an attempted flip and twist flip and twist but no like i need to do the the big telemaster i need to do the 50 cc yak i need to do the blue angels f18 i need to do oh yeah off a gear i need to do the viper 90 with thrust vectoring yep try to think what there was a couple other ones that i was thinking but anyway so i think that needs to be a yeah i don't really have any new

[unknown speaker 00:19:35] airframes but i've got a lot that need to be remain with a new radio with a new radio that's right

[unknown speaker 00:19:39] the flex extra 300 forgot about that oh yeah i can't i still can't believe you haven't flown that thing yet it's like really exciting so i think that would be a fun trip day trip just head over

[unknown speaker 00:19:51] there and just fly everything yep i agree let's do it okay speaking well i was talking about the jet i'm going to talk about one more jet thing and then i promise i'm not going to talk about jets anymore and then we'll move on to other non-jet stuff but the cortex gyro that i won at the raffle at the alini jets event is here i got it still in the box i haven't had a chance to install it into the atom yet but i'm going to do that when i install all the radio systems so i'll start

[unknown speaker 00:20:23] working on that pretty pretty soon so you're putting that in the atom i think so yeah i'm going to leave the really yeah i'm going to leave the synapse in the in the ranger for now i wouldn't

[unknown speaker 00:20:33] no no why is that you know the synapse much better you know how to program it i'll be honest with you

[unknown speaker 00:20:41] the synapse i mean like was so easy to set up but i i'm not sure i would say i know it because it was

[unknown speaker 00:20:48] really nothing to know true you know what i mean i would i would go with the nicer receiver the

[unknown speaker 00:20:54] nicer setup nice receiver i mean it's a it's one of those spectrum power safe 14 channel i think receivers that you have for the for the atom yeah it's that new one i bought at toledo or i'm

[unknown speaker 00:21:08] sorry joan all oh yeah that's yeah i would still i would still switch that out though i think so personally yeah here's the reason you're not sure how to set up the cortex yet so that's going to be a little learning experience which i'm sure it's going to be just fine yeah but now you kind of have a little beater airplane that you can use as experimentation i don't want to call it that i really don't which one do you think is nicer well i mean pre-crash even well i mean

[unknown speaker 00:21:36] yeah the atom is a you know nicer so that newer more modern airplane that gets the best of all the equipment in my mind everything i mean i'm sure there will be they're all the top of the line

[unknown speaker 00:21:50] with you but that goes in there especially because you already own it the thing is the 14 channel and

[unknown speaker 00:21:55] like the synapse i i sort of built into the ranger like i made a nice mounting pad for the actual gyro and there's a nice mounting pad for the receiver and it's all nice and oh man i'm with

[unknown speaker 00:22:09] you i mean it's built in it's perfectly set up and it works yeah don't reinvent the wheel

[unknown speaker 00:22:14] yeah and and honestly i plan on flying the ranger one and both are equally nice items so yeah and i'm not gonna have the atom ready to go like really any time like i'm still waiting for an engine and that's you know a twenty five hundred dollar investment that i it's going to be a while so yeah i figure i'll leave it be pretty quick by the way i'll leave the synapse in the airplane that

[unknown speaker 00:22:37] i'm flying right well yeah until it's time to switch over and when you actually start putting the

[unknown speaker 00:22:42] atom together i would i would move that over well the nice thing about the atom is the tray that you mount all the stuff to actually there's two trays they're super easy to get to so if i decide to

[unknown speaker 00:22:53] change it later it'll be easy to do and you can probably easily get them replaced if you have holes in them and just need to replace well they're just light ply oh plates just make your own make your

[unknown speaker 00:23:01] own yeah so okay whatever at any rate it will give me something to do until i have the engine and all that you know unless i crash something and needs repaired or whatever which is you know always a possibility always a possibility at any rate the cortex is here and i'm kind of excited to tinker with it if i'm honest it'll do all the i mean they'll all do the stuff right but the cortex you know a like a cursory look at the instructions it has a cool feature like

[unknown speaker 00:23:33] hard to describe but like it looks like positive values on the game give you standard like as3x type stuff and the negative values on the game gives you the nice heading hold stuff so like if you're into hovering or you want to do nice straight level slow rolls you know it'll give you that heading hold stuff and it's just a matter of how you set your your gain number whether it's plus

[unknown speaker 00:23:57] or minus so you go from one side of the game to the other exactly what type of gyro you want it to

[unknown speaker 00:24:01] be exactly yeah it looks looks interesting to me so so will that do thrust vectoring yeah okay yep

[unknown speaker 00:24:10] so which is cool because i'm going to build the thrust vectoring into the atom i may not put the servos in initially just to keep the weight down until i get a few flights under my belt but yeah that three ounces is a ton i'm using fairly heavy servos it's those you know it's those all aluminum now really nice jobs from pro modeler anyway i gotcha so yeah adam it's gonna be cool can't wait okay that's it for jets oh i did make a repair i forgot oh slow boat from china finally

[unknown speaker 00:24:44] brought me an antenna for the free sky oh nice so you just replaced it then yeah yeah all five minutes just don't sit on it again and you'll be fine and i have a spare antenna now that's broken but

[unknown speaker 00:24:56] still a spare antenna well hopefully you never need it i hope not but it's better to need it and not have it than to i'm sorry to have it than to need it and not see that's why i'm different if

[unknown speaker 00:25:07] it's broken it's going in the garbage if i need another one i'll buy another one what's the point of keeping a broken one that you don't trust enough to leave on there now it's only partially

[unknown speaker 00:25:15] broken well it's not that he doesn't trust it it's just broken right the plastic is broken

[unknown speaker 00:25:20] it's still functional so why would you put that back on maybe because it's also the handle and one half of it is broken so i don't i don't trust the other side not to break by picking it up

[unknown speaker 00:25:29] no but i see what i see what ron's saying is why why hang on to it if it's broken in case i break the other one completely off yeah well so then you order another half a handle and wait three weeks

[unknown speaker 00:25:39] to get it no no see we have a completely different thought process on all of that but that's okay

[unknown speaker 00:25:44] and that's why i have a surplus of spare parts which came in handy at toledo for ron yes but

[unknown speaker 00:25:54] he didn't give me any broken parts oh well you know he gave me parts to replace if something breaks spare parts or spare parts and that was on a car and so yes i'm glad he had that but if he would have handed me one that was broken in half i'd have been like what what do you do with this it's

[unknown speaker 00:26:07] broken yeah but what if it was like yeah okay i can't really make a so anyway i spent forty dollars fixed my radio we're back up and running how long did it take to replace it five minutes five minutes yeah it's literally it's it's harder to get the battery door off than it is to actually

[unknown speaker 00:26:25] take the radio apart yeah it's four screws hey i finally finished finally it's been over a year stop finally finished the glider nose electric motor stuff conversion thank you with the torqueman quick release prop adapter which is actually really slick by the way great i'm great grateful

[unknown speaker 00:26:49] to have it done but now that just pushes me to get the rest of that well that's kind of the idea

[unknown speaker 00:26:54] and that's good you want to fly it eventually i do and very bad now you are not waiting on me i've made i've made some progress you have not recently well but no not recently yeah yeah the wings have moved they're not on the floor anymore in the middle of hyper had some friends over so i wanted to make

[unknown speaker 00:27:11] sure that stuff didn't get messed up when they were down here so what's left to do on it covering right no i have to fix the one of the wing panels is it's got some spots that have been crushed so i've got to fix those there's a few things on the fuselage that need to be done i honestly don't remember right offhand what they were because it's been a while but yeah then after that it's just recovering and then putting all the servos and stuff in and electronics and sourcing some wing

[unknown speaker 00:27:41] tubes that was the other thing that was going to suck is the wing tube actually i need every tube

[unknown speaker 00:27:45] for it because it didn't come with any of them oh even the tubes for the nose nose tubes wing tubes

[unknown speaker 00:27:50] the i think there is oh the the far out wing tubes whatever you call those because

[unknown speaker 00:27:55] far out man it's it's a four piece wing because it's bigger so big are they carbon or aluminum or what are they supposed to be i'll probably do carbon fiber of course you will why wouldn't you it's lighter right it's only five times the price but yeah yeah whatever you know i mean does it matter that much no honestly i don't think so i'll be i'm fine yeah but anyway it was quite a that was quite a project well so you brought that to me tonight i did so thank you and tell me what all

[unknown speaker 00:28:26] did you do so this particular airplane did not have a nose a nose so it when i got it it honestly

[unknown speaker 00:28:35] looked to me like it might have had a motor in it before like i don't know what happened it looked like there might have been a motor in there before but i didn't see any motor mounts right

[unknown speaker 00:28:44] there was holes for one okay so there was no physical that's the case it looks like somebody

[unknown speaker 00:28:49] literally just said oh i want that motor and just broke the nose to yank it out right kind of what

[unknown speaker 00:28:55] it looked like i mean i don't think it was crash damage no because that was just right on i mean

[unknown speaker 00:28:59] there's nothing else that's crash damage so unless maybe somebody had it and just put it too hard on the ground when they were trying to store it possibly but i don't know at any rate this is the glider

[unknown speaker 00:29:12] that you did some horse trading with terry right so yeah we you got it sans nose so we thought

[unknown speaker 00:29:20] well no it had everything but the the probably last inch yeah right i mean it was crushed and

[unknown speaker 00:29:27] a lot of the structure was damaged even behind that so yeah so you thought hey now would be you saw these cool little quick release adapters at the glider toe event i think at the eli yeah so two years ago

[unknown speaker 00:29:40] now i think i saw i think it was ali had one that he was flying as big he had like a 30 foot wingspan glider and stuff and he when he was done flying he just walked up and kind of like just magically touched the the front of his airplane and the the propellers came off and i was like what is that it's cool and so he explained how it worked and all that stuff and how it's safer that way you know you don't have spinning propellers that could possibly turn on and i think it's more just cool than anything to be honest it is cool so i went and looked those up and they're very pricey

[unknown speaker 00:30:14] and you had to get it from england right i don't remember where it came from that's been a while ago

[unknown speaker 00:30:18] yeah it didn't come from the states i remember that i don't remember torqueman it might have actually at any rate that was a good opportunity to incorporate that into the nose rebuild

[unknown speaker 00:30:30] yeah so the the plan for that is to be able to do it both on a tow or just an actual launch

[unknown speaker 00:30:37] so what i did was i basically cut the nose back i cut back to the next former which is where the damage stopped and then from that former forward i just sort of re-engineered everything and put a mount for a huge it looks like it's a it's a purple motor i can't think of the name

[unknown speaker 00:31:02] gosh dang it oh yeah i had it in my head hi something is it a hi max no we see jetty no

[unknown speaker 00:31:10] we're getting there i think that's right is it jetty i think so it's a jetty speed controller so it's probably a jetty motor too at any rate it's a honking honking motor so i had to do some engineering and bracing of the nose to support this monster and then i had to pretty much reshape or come up with a shape for the nose that would work with that torqueman adapter and i think it came out nice actually i'll show it to i'll show it to dave when we're done and dave

[unknown speaker 00:31:40] hasn't seen it yet but anyway that is that is done and now waiting on you ron to to finish

[unknown speaker 00:31:47] so what all of you have to do though because the alignment had to be just right you had to cut the front of it off you had to reinforce stuff you had to build a nose you had to shape it you had to you had to figure out where to put the the nose the support bearing on yeah the support bearing had

[unknown speaker 00:32:03] to go in somewhere so the torqueman adapter kit came with a bearing and a housing for the bearing that has to be incorporated into the airframe and i guess the reason for that is i guess it makes the whole assembly kind of long so if there's no support at the end of it i guess it could wobble a lot of run out yeah except run out so yeah so anyway i had to sort of engineer that support for that bearing housing into the nose which i made removable

[unknown speaker 00:32:38] very nice and it it's held on with magnets which is kind of neat has two carbon pins that keep it in alignment but yeah i had to had to create formers had to run some stringers and shape the nose out of block and i tried to maintain the profile that was in the instructions

[unknown speaker 00:32:58] from the three view that was in the instructions i got close but because of the way you know you don't want the motor shaft sticking out above or below the center line you want it kind of in the so i had to take some liberties with the shape of the nose but yeah you want it's close close to the what they intended and i added some down thrust a little bit of right thrust a lot of down thrust i should say

[unknown speaker 00:33:25] because any of that adjustable down the road if need be or is it yeah fairly fixed if he needs to

[unknown speaker 00:33:29] adjust it he'll he'll be able to there's enough material in the nose where if he needs to reposition it and then sand it to a different shape there's enough material there to do that so if he ever

[unknown speaker 00:33:39] needs to hopefully he won't need to but i hope not sorry i had to go check it's a hacker motor

[unknown speaker 00:33:45] hacker i knew jetty didn't sound right okay well it's a jetty speed controller right that's what's in the box in the box yeah but at any rate that's what that's what i had to do and i think it came out nice hopefully after you fly it it won't need any adjustment or modification but if it does there's there's room for that if you need to so yeah so as he gets done mortgaging the house to buy the covering yeah it's a lot of covering it's how long is the fuselage it's like seven and a half feet maybe i mean at least that part with the rudder and everything it's it's pretty long anyway

[unknown speaker 00:34:21] it'll be a lot of covering it's not that bad luckily it's just white right that's what you're

[unknown speaker 00:34:26] covering it it's going to be mostly white and then also the carbon fiber looking stuff oh okay i don't know why but i like that a lot so it looks nice a nice way of saying it's not

[unknown speaker 00:34:42] no it looks fine i like the carbon fiber look especially like it on the on the duel that you built

[unknown speaker 00:34:48] a while back well and this is going to be one to where i'm not using it like as a main color for anything this is just the accents yeah so it's going to be on the tail it's going to be on the wingtips but nothing nothing overly gaudy yeah makes sense gaudy so what are you looking at now i'm trying to find out when i bought the yeah i have no idea about the torqueman yeah that's it was

[unknown speaker 00:35:17] right after you got it and that was two years ago shh well that's my fault because i've had the nose

[unknown speaker 00:35:23] that long trying to trying to figure out how i was gonna well and that's the funny thing so after

[unknown speaker 00:35:28] the was it the jet meet or something you you we had talked before about me 3d printing another one of the nozzles for the viper the viper 90 for you and you told me hey i think i'm ready for you to print me one of those i think that's what you said and i was like oh are you now like i said i offered i would do it before but you told me not to well why did i tell you not to do it i said well because you told me that i should not print you that until i am fin or until you were finished with

[unknown speaker 00:36:00] my nose because you felt like you should do that before i should do anything else did anything else

[unknown speaker 00:36:06] yeah so well now you can now i can now it's now it's done but no i had i had a couple days off and i was done with with most of the other stuff and i thought you know before i spend a lot of time putting my ranger back together i really need to get this done for ron well it was funny

[unknown speaker 00:36:27] though because i don't even know what time it wasn't late but you sent me a text and a picture of it yeah and i was in bed and i was sorry no it was like 8 30 don't worry about it jeez that's oh there's been a couple nights where i've just been so tired i've gone to bed super early but anyway so you sent me a picture the picture hadn't come through yet and all i saw was something like it's finished or it's ready or something along those lines so i was looking i was like okay cool his jet's done when i'm figuring right and so then i hear the ding come through you know a couple

[unknown speaker 00:37:03] seconds later okay here's a picture of it and i look oh here's a jet oh no that's the nose shucks that means i've got to get going on the rest of it or else i will never hear the end of

[unknown speaker 00:37:12] it so that's not true you're absolutely going to i mean if it takes you know two years yeah i might say something maybe if it's six months or so i'm not in a hurry well it's going to be a winter

[unknown speaker 00:37:23] thing yeah that's fine last year and the year before yeah that's fine and the problem with it is

[unknown speaker 00:37:28] like you're you're going to have someone else make it right or are you going to do it yourself this time make what my nozzle for my viper oh i don't care about this one i'll do it oh okay

[unknown speaker 00:37:41] well we see how that works yeah actually i i might just have him do it again he does 3d printing stuff a lot more than i do and i honestly don't even know what what what's the stuff called the liquid stuff the resin i don't even know what i have over there right now to be honest so

[unknown speaker 00:37:58] yeah i am not a winter project is fine because i plan on flying that viper some more so wouldn't it be more fun i mean it didn't take long to put that on i'll fly yours

[unknown speaker 00:38:07] i don't know if i trust you i've flown it one and a half times already that's true successfully but you weren't trying to flippy dippy it well or whatever that is take it take it up and that's funny yeah is that what a flippy flippy floppy flippy floppy it's the term we picked up this is the official official wording for when you're doing stuff like

[unknown speaker 00:38:31] that when we're at the jet event miguel was out there with his you know vectored i think he had

[unknown speaker 00:38:37] his vectored thrust viper out there and i he was explaining that one of the kids on how to fly it

[unknown speaker 00:38:45] right he he said he was talking to the kid he's like and if you want to do flippy floppies you have to flip this switch and do that so then later on that day miguel was flying and i i yelled

[unknown speaker 00:38:57] miguel do some more flippy floppies and i just thought it was really funny yeah this was funnier

[unknown speaker 00:39:02] then it really wasn't getting into the story i was just gonna say anyway that's good though at least at least you're self-aware yeah that was that was a lot funnier then huh and then what he do he did more flippy floppies and then what'd you do i laughed and thought it was cool and then what'd

[unknown speaker 00:39:21] he do i don't know i don't either i was just trying to see if there's more to it or no that's

[unknown speaker 00:39:26] really it that's these more flippy floppies

[unknown speaker 00:39:31] dork anyway yeah so anyway the glider is ready for you now

[unknown speaker 00:39:35] and i will have it done this time honestly now the biggest thing that's stopping me and i know it's it's on me but i really need to make another canopy for it because the canopy yeah exactly so i'm gonna have to work on it's sitting down there somewhere but that one's cracked up and it's all need to be replaced so i'm gonna have to so how are you find a way to make a mold and

[unknown speaker 00:40:02] go back up to brian's or something make a this machine big enough to do one of those that's pretty big that's not that big of a canopy to be honest oh is it okay can you make one luckily it's bigger

[unknown speaker 00:40:13] bottle or something no it's bigger than that but it's only i don't know 10 12 inches long because it's it's i don't know airplane so i don't know what i'm saying but it's not like a full bubble canopy where the turtle deck is it kind of like cuts straight off so it's just from the nose up so it's more like a windscreen than a canopy well no it goes all the way over you oh okay but you don't have the like on a there's no back to it yeah like on a p51 mustang you know how it has the like cut a p51 mustang canopy in half and you're just doing the front half of that does that make sense okay so

[unknown speaker 00:40:47] that shouldn't be so bad then no it's not terrible you just have to do it i just have to find a way to support it and then plaster mold it whatever and figure all that stuff out which i need to learn

[unknown speaker 00:40:58] how to do anything yeah i was gonna say that'll be a new skill yeah not a bad one a few canopies

[unknown speaker 00:41:03] i kind of like doing it it's kind of fun well there you go there's a canopy over there if you

[unknown speaker 00:41:10] just want to grab that that's what i mean i heard dave volunteered yeah canopy is what i heard that way it's a group project for all of us hey speaking of group we're going up to mclean illinois this weekend mclean mclean is it mclean i thought it was mclean it's mclean mclean yeah like mclean

[unknown speaker 00:41:31] yeah well m-c-l-e-a-n oh it's not two c's no there's just one c okay so it's mclean

[unknown speaker 00:41:40] so we're going there this weekend for a vintage rc airplane flying so this should be right up your alley

[unknown speaker 00:41:49] unfortunately i'm i'm making a mental note of all my airplanes that i can take and i'm coming up with a big goose egg like i don't have any of the old stuff that you do no you don't you don't like old airplanes i do not very much like old airplanes you're correct i have plenty i know to take that

[unknown speaker 00:42:07] 90 of what you have probably probably gonna end up taking the contender i mean why not probably going to take depending on whether i'm able to bring stuff out and put it in the trailer might take the big cub and that's certainly vintage bud nosen probably going to take the telemaster

[unknown speaker 00:42:28] that's a vintage airplane that's three i mean that's enough and those are three big ones three what else are you in i thought there was other things no i mean maybe the maybe that old kyosho gb with the three-cylinder radial because it's old but it sounds really nice so yeah yeah so

[unknown speaker 00:42:45] vintage i don't know if they have an actual time frame on it but i would think like 25-ish years

[unknown speaker 00:42:50] so like 90s anything from the 90s or before pretty sure that kyosho arf was late 90s the contender goes way back that's 60s 70s yeah the telemaster that's got to be 80s late 80s maybe well that that one was the hobby lobby one right is that we figured and then the that big cub bud nose and cub i mean the bud bud nose and plans have been around forever i mean i don't know when this airplane was actually built this one yeah but i don't think it'll be that biggest of sticklers on

[unknown speaker 00:43:27] it i don't either and it'll sound good with that os twin on it so yeah i'll try to i'm guessing

[unknown speaker 00:43:33] nothing electric will be there because i i've got nothing that would fit when were the electro

[unknown speaker 00:43:39] streaks that would be early that'd be early 90s maybe i don't know when that article was written

[unknown speaker 00:43:46] what are you looking at me for my electro streak is from 2025

[unknown speaker 00:43:51] yeah 2024 from whatever original plans i mean that kind of counts right the only one i have finished is the e-flight one oh that's right you don't have a finished one thank you very much i do how about you dave dave do you want to say it's three pieces i'm i'm actually surprised dave that you didn't come in and like bring a new

[unknown speaker 00:44:11] electro streak with you not a new but a redone or a reboot you know actually it would have been done if i wasn't rushing to get the other the stinson project finished for reasons yeah and i've just been bogged down at home so that's really slowed down yeah but it should be ready for paint this weekend so the stinson stinson okay yeah it's just the wing yeah fuselage technically i need to repaint the cowl but it's been touched up it's close enough yeah but the stinson wing should be painted and

[unknown speaker 00:44:44] done by the middle of next week if we get decent weather it's not too humid or rain yeah so you're

[unknown speaker 00:44:50] gonna just build a new fuselage for the e-streak or are you gonna no the e-streak's just gonna get

[unknown speaker 00:44:54] the nose hacked off perfect that should be easy enough yeah it's a it's a two evening yeah ordeal

[unknown speaker 00:44:59] nice box fuselage yeah i can't remember did you glass the fuselage fuselage is not glass but i did

[unknown speaker 00:45:05] bump up the material but i think it's supposed to be 3 32nd and i went full eight eighth inch yep i think

[unknown speaker 00:45:11] i did as well i think my my fuselage is eighth inch also so cool yeah so that should be that should be a lot of fun i'm looking forward to it yeah even though i won't hopefully it's taking anything to fly hopefully it's not well you can fly my stuff there you go but hopefully it's not super super

[unknown speaker 00:45:26] hot like it must be 95 well but i mean not 105 no but 95 and the humidity starts supposed to start

[unknown speaker 00:45:32] building back in yeah and like we said earlier we're in a corn bowl but you bought a fan i did buy a fan yes after daniel's fan it's gonna be i couldn't not have a fan i will sit right in front of that fan all day if you want to come talk to me you can come over to me in my chair yeah i'm gonna bring

[unknown speaker 00:45:48] an easy up i'm probably just gonna bring stuff out to the house may as well our house or my house

[unknown speaker 00:45:54] and then yeah then we'll get it all loaded up and your truck makes it there it'll be fine i'm not

[unknown speaker 00:46:00] worried but yeah it should be it should be a good time i regret not buying the air conditioner yet

[unknown speaker 00:46:07] i should have just bought it last week good luck buying an air conditioner right now my i had to replace mine in the house but oh no no i'm talking about specifically for the trailer yeah they've got them in stock i just have been cheap and like do i really want to but now i wish

[unknown speaker 00:46:22] i would have because 95 my brand new air conditioner i bought this year kind of went on the fritz in the middle of the last heat wave it worked it cooled it's fine it's the control panel locked up you couldn't control it but the remote worked oh so that's fine we went let the who gets up and dials the dial anyway anyway i let it run dial until the heat wave broke and then we went to take it back to swap it out and they don't have any out of stock so i had to take what i was able to find and

[unknown speaker 00:46:52] it's subpar but it'll go in a bedroom next year and we'll get another big one for them for that

[unknown speaker 00:46:58] front room yep yes so anyway yeah it's gonna be hot but i think we'll have a good time anyway

[unknown speaker 00:47:06] i couldn't handle just having a couple window units i keep my house way too cold well your

[unknown speaker 00:47:11] house is also like eight times the size of dave's no it's not i love having a window unit because i in the in the daytime i just turn off the air in the back half of the house and shut the door i don't have to pay to cool oh no i'm not grueling stuff that doesn't need to be cooled no no the face

[unknown speaker 00:47:28] ron is making right now sorry the the disgusted look he's sweating just thinking about it thinking

[unknown speaker 00:47:34] about like look there's a little bit and if i'm standing like crazy in my work room and i want to make it 65 in there i make it 65 in there that's what i do here all the time yeah but it's the

[unknown speaker 00:47:42] family i know not everybody wants it to be 65 i don't care they can put more clothes on well i mean

[unknown speaker 00:47:51] true yeah i'm still not paying to cool my entire house when i don't have to 95 degrees outside and

[unknown speaker 00:47:57] tommy comes over and has to cover himself up with a blankie yes i have a blanket on my legs right now because it's like i think it feels like 52 degrees it is not that bad that's what it feels like it probably is 61 i i will net it always feels nice over here thank you dave i do like i mean thank you guys like it cold i get it i've got all the extra i'm not complaining thermal insulation

[unknown speaker 00:48:20] built into my body you kind of sound like you were no i'm just saying i have a because you mentioned it yes i do have a blanket on my legs just because i i'm it's a little chilly in here but i'm not complaining i'm also not saying it's great either so it's wonderful there anything else i just wanted to one quick shout out to craig one of our listeners he sent me a bunch of irvine 40 engine parts so i just wanted to say thank you appreciate that they will get put to use maybe not right away but i was having an issue with one of the motors on the dualist when

[unknown speaker 00:48:54] we were in st louis so it may get one of those carburetors that you sent me craig so i just wanted to say thank you and yeah thank you thank you i guess okay that's all i have i mean it's up it's

[unknown speaker 00:49:07] all you guys from here on out well thanks everybody for listening dave you got anything else

[unknown speaker 00:49:13] no other than the vehicle situation that's all i've got well there's something kind of exciting

[unknown speaker 00:49:20] on that front i mean i think it's exciting anytime anybody gets something like that oh god you guys

[unknown speaker 00:49:27] suck at teasing or whatever just spit it out dave so the expedition's on its way out next wednesday

[unknown speaker 00:49:33] i pick up my new truck dave's getting a new truck new truck a toyota tundra yeah not new new

[unknown speaker 00:49:39] because i mean it looks pretty good in the pictures i'd say it's a 2012 it's new to you it's a new to me right it looks so there you go very nice super reliable big v8 well we hope we'll

[unknown speaker 00:49:51] see yeah but it's got the v8 which yes no more turbos it's no yeah dumb twin turbo v6 blah blah blah

[unknown speaker 00:50:02] anyway yes i will have to say when the expedition worked it worked really really well when it was

[unknown speaker 00:50:07] broke it was really really broke yeah yep see you just got to give up on them fords yeah ford after two bad ones in a row anything good anymore you know they're all pieces of junk when they don't

[unknown speaker 00:50:18] run yeah i've been a lifelong ford guy and i just bought my first non-ford in my entire life so yeah

[unknown speaker 00:50:27] yeah how about that although can i say if we're getting off topic like this here it comes yes 99 tesla tesla tesla 99 000 miles on our tesla now has it got that many miles

[unknown speaker 00:50:41] already 99 000 miles and you guys are driving the wheels off that thing four years not a lick of

[unknown speaker 00:50:47] problems tires yeah standard maintenance stuff but yeah no that's it tires is all like literally awfully hard on tires there is no other maintenance well it doesn't help that zero to 16 3.7 seconds well you got to keep your foot out of it yeah i don't it's fun it is so yeah not a lick of maintenance nothing yep i get it and it'll catch fire tomorrow morning can you can you pull a trailer

[unknown speaker 00:51:15] with it no can you haul big airplanes in it my jet fits so it works fine that's true

[unknown speaker 00:51:23] a lot of stuff in that thing i'm amazed every time he unpacks that how much he gets in that thing

[unknown speaker 00:51:28] when he unpacks it sometimes he just goes to drive around he just drives it around take his airplanes

[unknown speaker 00:51:32] on tours and stuff look guys here's more airspace you won't find yes anyway that's all i have well

[unknown speaker 00:51:39] congratulations dave i'm excited for you i hope it works out well i think it will i hope it does as

[unknown speaker 00:51:43] well i'm really nervous about it there are some features of the expedition with i've driven three expeditions in a row now there's some things i'm really going to miss but it's time for something

[unknown speaker 00:51:54] different yeah one thing i really like about fords we have divulged in or not divulged what's it called we've gotten off the rails but that's fine deviate anybody can just hang up now we're not going to talk about airplanes for the rest of the episode but one thing i do like about fords is the keypad on the door i love the keypad that makes it so nice i got i like that when we go to the lake i don't

[unknown speaker 00:52:14] have to take my keys out on the boat i just lock the keys in the car yeah that's really weird the first time you do it yeah so there's the keys and the clunk yep and then you lock it up yeah

[unknown speaker 00:52:24] yep we've done that so yeah i'm gonna really miss that but do the do the new fords still have that

[unknown speaker 00:52:29] yeah do they i have no idea no i've not seen the new ford now like the tesla has the app so you you know you don't actually don't even have keys for that you just have a key card that looks like a

[unknown speaker 00:52:42] credit card actually for your phone i think most of the newer vehicles have that the apps i'm pretty sure chevy has an app that you can do this i would hope so i mean i would hope pretty much all cars have that to be honest at this point i'm not going to know for many years because i can't afford the

[unknown speaker 00:53:00] new cars i won't know till cybertruck comes down in price but then we'll see i went backwards less technology that's not a bad thing yeah that's what i was looking at but see going with electric it's the amount of moving parts there are just like none compared to a regular car like a gas car

[unknown speaker 00:53:19] i think they're basically wanted the second gen which had less stuff on it yeah i think there's 18

[unknown speaker 00:53:25] moving parts in my drivetrain 18 i think so it was under 20 wow that's like nothing so nice a lot

[unknown speaker 00:53:35] less stuff to break right or but when something does go wrong then it's expensive yeah but like in a hundred thousand miles if you like factor that into the like the time and like you know if it's a let's say it's a four thousand dollar repair well over the course of four years and a hundred thousand miles a thousand dollars a year that's not so bad in maintenance so i've been i've done the

[unknown speaker 00:53:56] math you know i'm saying like you haven't been doing oil changes you know what i'm saying i've paid nothing for upkeep on that so i did do the math and just driving it the difference in price on driving that car versus the audi we had in 200 000 miles that car pays for itself oh the tesla

[unknown speaker 00:54:14] the tesla pays for itself just in the amount you paid for maintenance on the other car

[unknown speaker 00:54:18] no that wasn't even taking account maintenance that was just gas savings oh no kidding yeah wow

[unknown speaker 00:54:23] so that's impressive yeah cool anywho anything else no that is all i have thanks everybody for listening until next time i'm ron i'm tom and i'm dave good night good night good night we hope you

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