Ep 49: Happy Holidays, Wing Incidence, and Wing Fairings
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Episode 49 · Originally released December 25, 2020 · Hosts: Ron and Tom
Ron and Tom recap their Dynamic Balsa trip, explain wing incidence, and describe how wing fairings are made and fitted.
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00:38 — Holiday greetings and the Dynamic Balsa trip
10:00 — The airplanes brought home
20:01 — Repair and restoration plans
30:01 — What wing incidence means
40:01 — Measuring and setting incidence
50:02 — Building and shaping wing fairings
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Holiday greetings and the Dynamic Balsa trip
The airplanes brought home
Repair and restoration plans
What wing incidence means
Measuring and setting incidence
Building and shaping wing fairings
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[0:34] Now here are your hosts, Ron and Tom. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I'm Ron. And I'm Tom. Merry Christmas, Ron. Thanks, Tom. Merry Christmas to you as well. Thank you very much. So this episode. And I'm Tom. Merry Christmas, Ron. Thanks, Tom. Merry Christmas to you as well. Thank you very much. So this episode is airing Christmas Day. So if you celebrate that holiday, Merry Christmas to you, anyone who's listening. And if you don't celebrate that
[0:54] holiday and you celebrate some other holiday around this time, happy holidays, everybody. Exactly. And if you don't celebrate anything, happy day. Happy day. Happy Friday. Speaking of happy days, last weekend we had a pretty happy day we did I thought that was kind of fun it was really it was a lot of fun I enjoyed the trip up there yep I'm glad we took your vehicle because I enjoyed the conversations yeah that's true those were those were very enjoyable I had a good time so if
[1:21] anybody missed it we're talking about last week we interviewed Brian up at Dynamic Balsa. Had a fun little conversation with him. It was just kind of good to get to know him a little bit better. Yeah. And I had fun with that. Yeah, I did too. But I'm glad we took your car. Yeah. Because we ended up with seven, count them, seven, not all of which are going to fly. There's probably a couple of them that I don't think we're going to end up doing anything with. We'll see. But seven airplanes.
[1:48] Seven new-to-us airplanes. From probably 35, 36-inch wingspan, I think. Yeah, 33-ish, I think, is the smallest one here. Up to a 50cc Yak with an 84, 86, 87-ish. 85-inch wingspan. 85-inch, yeah. Quite the range the range quite the range it was a packed vehicle yeah and it's like i said it's a good thing we took my vehicle the plan was not to come home with seven new airplanes it wasn't we had a very simple agenda to go up
[2:17] there we're gonna have our conversation with brian which went really real really well and i had a few things that i wanted to pick up to kind of finish up the dualist. Me too. And you had one specific airplane that you were thinking about having a look at. But, yeah, came home with seven airplanes. But you couldn't pass up the deal. Like, I don't think. They were good deals. Obviously, I didn't pass up the deal. Right, yeah. And so the Yak I got, it's an older Yak.
[2:47] It's going to need a little bit of refinishing. I mean, not necessarily. Completion. Completion, there you go. And that's not anything that's going to happen. Put the pen away. Sorry. I can't give you click pens. I can't have anything over here. But anyway, so this airplane is not one I'm going to be putting together anytime soon. It's probably going to be a year or two down the line. Because it's a 50cc Yak, and it's going to take some money in order to get it going.
[3:14] But, a little bit here, a little bit there. And we're going to have to build some stabs. We are. And I don't think that's going to be hard. Because it came with everything pretty much except the stabs. Yeah. And a cowl. Oh, and a cowl. Cowl doesn't bother me either, though. No, because I think there's a pretty quick and easy way that we've talked about coming up with our own cowl. Yeah, so being a yak, it's a nice round cowl. Easy peasy.
[3:39] And my plan is either just cut circles out on a CNC machine and then shape it the rest of the way by hand, plan is either just cut circles out on a CNC machine and then shape it the rest of the way by hand or use a wood lathe and cut some wood down to the right diameter and stuff to make a plug. Make a plug and then fiberglass. Yeah. The stabs will be easy because I myself have a 50cc yak such that we could potentially use that as a template, cut some ribs, build up some stabs
[4:02] and elevators, piece of cake. Yeah. Would you do it built up out of that, out of balsa, or would you do foam? I would. Well, honestly, foam would probably be quicker and easier than building them up out of balsa, but we could build them out of balsa too, either way. We'll just have to see how it goes. Yeah. But yeah, it's a good-looking airplane. It is. I like it. I like the yellow and black. I will like it better when it's
[4:25] able to be flown. Well, yeah, that would… And you've wanted this size Yak for a while. I have. I mean, there's something about a Yak… I mean, you've hounded me a couple of times about mine, and of course, I don't want to get off mine. So now you finally have your own. You don't… I don't want to get off of my like sell it i've never heard of it that way get rid of i've heard of get rid of that too but i mean like when you
[4:50] say that i just like envision me sitting on you going in the basement every night and just like sitting out like it's a horse or something so i should get a picture of that now please please do yeah post it in the forums me sitting on my yak. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I've wanted that size airplane for a while because it's a good size for they handle well. They're fast. Yeah. I mean, they will do snap rolls and all that stuff a lot faster than my big, big one will. Yeah, I would say they fly.
[5:28] You can fly them with more precision because they are, I mean, really, they're easier to fly when they're bigger. I mean, it's just, it's an unfortunate truth, the bigger they are, the better they fly. And the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Well, yeah, but usually, if you're cautious, you'll probably crash the bigger ones less than you'll crash the smaller ones, right? You should. I mean, I'm going to go, I'm going to stick with that. Well, they fly better, like you said.
[5:50] Right. And you're most likely going to be a little bit more cautious with them. Well, in your frame of reference, I think is better. Because it's physically bigger, it's just easier to see. Yeah. So maybe a little less likely to get, crossed up, which side is up sometimes on the, like we can do with the smaller see. Yeah. So maybe a little less likely to get crossed up, which side is up sometimes like we can do with the smaller ones. True.
[6:10] And stuff doesn't happen as fast, so you have a little bit more time, or at least it appears that you have more time because it's bigger. Well, they move quick, but they have to move farther because they're bigger. Does that make sense? Yes. Yep. I know exactly what you mean. Stuff actually moves a little bit slower but it still happens fast it does yep it can still get away from you in a hurry but because of its size and its presence you have i think it feels like more awareness so the
[6:38] corrections are easier it's weird it's hard to explain yeah i know but well that's something we'll deal with like i said here in probably a year or two, something along those lines. I'm glad you got it because now we both have a similar-sized Yak, although yours is smaller. It is. Your 50cc Yak is smaller than mine. I'm okay with that. Which I'm, that makes a small win, small win for me. You still have the biggest airplane, but… And you're winning anyway because you
[7:06] can fly yours now if you wanted to i'm so far away from flying that one that's that's just going to sit here for a while yeah well that's true so that's okay though because eventually at least you have the airframe and you're it's a start yeah i'm not worried about it and like i said it was well like you said it was a really good deal i think you got a fair deal very more than a deal yeah i mean
[7:31] he's happy i'm happy so yeah even considering the amount of work it's going to take to get it the airframe ready i still feel like for what you paid for it i i feel like it was a fair deal so when he was explaining like where it came from and stuff and so apparently there was a fair deal. So when he was explaining where it came from and stuff, and so apparently there was an older gentleman that was putting it together, and he died. I hear your cup.
[7:55] Anyway, so the guy that was putting it together died, and his kids were cleaning out his house and didn't really know what they had and all that kind of stuff. And apparently, so I was hoping he was going to say the whole thing was in the dumpster, but he didn't. So this airplane. You asked him. I did. You said, was it in the dumpster? Because if he would have said, yeah, this came out of a dumpster, that would have been like, right now, here's your money. We're doing this. But it wasn't.
[8:22] So the stabs that are missing. For those who don't remember, we have a fondness for pulling airplanes out of trash receptacles of some kind and reviving them and then cursing them because we can't get them to fly or run. Well, trash can't tell a master. Right. So we still have that one. Then we have the two Shrikes that we got. That's true. Those came out of a construction dumpster. A dumpster. Yeah, the guy was moving. Yeah, we will fly those eventually. Eventually.
[8:44] But anyway, so the stabs from this one ended up in the dumpster and that's why i don't have them right they threw those away the cowl and probably the cow yeah so they threw that stuff away before somebody stopped and said hey that's worth some money don't just pitch it all yeah so unfortunately that never made it into the dumpster, which would have made a better story, but that's okay. Yeah. There's still a dumpster involved somehow.
[9:07] Chances are, though, if that had made it into the dumpster with the stabs and the cowl, probably would not own it right now. True. That depends when the other guy would have seen it and told him to stop. Right. So. Anyway. But that's the yak. That's the yak. That's the biggest that we brought home this weekend. We also came home with an eFlight air tractor. That's right. I forgot about that one. I know. I did too. That's going to be a fun one.
[9:35] And I can't believe we actually bought an airplane with safe. Yeah. It has safe. And with AS3X. AS3X, yeah. AS3X, okay. whatever. But safe. Yeah. That'll be. I'm familiar has safe. And with AS3X. AS3X, yeah. AS3X, okay, whatever, but safe. Yeah, that'll be… I'm familiar with safe a little bit because it was in that Mustang that I believe Reggie has now, I think. Oh, does he? Yeah. Okay. With the gas, the gas two-stroke on it.
[9:59] But I would not say I'm very familiar with it. So this will be interesting. I'm actually looking forward to seeing you fly this one. This will be a fun one to try and see how it goes. I think you're going to have a good time with this one. But the good thing is you can turn safe off. Yeah, true. But you cannot turn AS3X off. That's okay. Well, I mean, I'd like to be able to turn it off and have full control. It's a foamy. Yeah. it's a small one. What is it?
[10:23] What do what I think? 36 inches? 38 inches? Something like that? No, it's 59. Oh, really? Oh, me. Yeah. it's a small one. What is it? What do what I think? 36 inches, 38 inches, something like that. No, it's 59. Oh, really? I thought it was 59. Oh, good. Yeah, it's a bigger. It's a good size. Yeah, a good size electric plane. And I tell you, it has the cool plug-in wings with the sockets to where you don't have to worry about plugging in the servo separately.
[10:43] It's just a block that as you slide the wings in everything sort of connects and i think that's a cool feature yeah and then you have two screws that go in the bottom to hold it in and that's it plus it has lights yeah it has a wing tip position lights which i which i think is awesome and then it also has the so the the lights light up red and green on the wingtips And then there's also the strobes on each wingtip. Oh, really? I didn't know that. That's awesome.
[11:08] Does it have a beacon, too, like on the fuselage? No. I didn't notice if it had one. No, it just has the two, like, landing lights on the front. I'll tell you, the thing I like best about that airplane, at least presence-wise, are the flaps. I don't know why I'm so enamored. Yeah, you get super excited about those flaps. I am, because they're a fowler, you a full-on fowler flap that are slotted they they kind of come out and down when they're so when you get your radio
[11:31] programmed you could slow those down and they come down kind of scale like i think that's cool and they're hinged like a real fowler flap should be hinged but anyway yeah i think it it's a pretty airplane yeah it's gonna fly. And it's like new. I mean, there's like hardly a scratch on it. Well, no, I mean, it's never been flown before. Oh, well, that explains why it's new. It wasn't fully assembled even. Oh, nice. Yeah, it was pretty good.
[11:55] And you said before we sat down to do this, you said that you had already bound it to the radio. I have. I haven't flown it yet. I really wanted to do that tonight yeah but it was just a little bit too dark for me by the time i had time or had time to get out and do it so it shows it's a 1.5 meter airplane so whatever that ends up being i can't oh well a meter is about three fifty nine inches i'm sorry well that's what you
[12:19] said yeah that's a pretty good size pretty good size it's bigger than you think when you actually get the wings on it it's it's it's a long-sized airplane yeah when you plug the wing both panels in it it does turn into a big airplane that's my first with the exception of my my first cub that i bought it's my first foamy really i mean i'm trying to go through and i don't remember
[12:40] ever buying another one of those go look around you've got you've got the little yak over there that's a foamy i'm talking about like decent sized foam airplane everything i have in the 40-ish size like 40 size nitro okay yeah that is all balsa i don't have anything foam like that i'll be darned huh yeah how about that i was thinking that when i was coming home yesterday i was like that's the first one other than the Cub. Other than the Cub, yeah. So, yeah, my first eFlight airplane, too.
[13:06] Well, there you go. So, we'll see how that goes. It's a good-looking airplane. It is. I think, yeah. Like I said, it's going to be perfect for out here, I think. It's got the big wheels on it. It's got, yep, exactly. And it's made for this kind of terrain. So, perfect, yeah. We'll see how that goes. And we'll play with the safe and all that stuff, too, and see how it works. Yeah.
[13:24] Because I'm not familiar with any of them. Well, that would be good, yeah. You can tinker with the safe and all that stuff too and see how it works. Yeah. Because I'm not familiar with any of them. Well, that would be good. Yeah, you can tinker with the safe and then experiment with it or whatever, and then you can be the expert. And when we get the emails asking us about safe technology, you'll be all over it. Yeah. And I did find out, though, that when you bind it,
[13:39] that's when you can either completely disable safe or have it be bound with safe. Oh, I see. So once you're bound. Yeah, it's all about how you bind it. I see. Like when you take the bind plug out. Okay. I'll be darned. Yeah, it's good to know that, right? Yeah, cool. So we'll play with it and move on. All right, what else did we get? I don't even remember. What else did we get? So I've got them kind of strewn about here near me. Oh, yeah, it's behind the table. I can't see them.
[14:02] Yeah, so I'm looking. And so, yeah. What is that, a GWS? Or we don't know. oh yeah you're behind the table i can't see him yeah so i'm looking and so yeah we've what is that a gws or we don't know so okay the the next four that we got are kind of they're small i don't how would you describe them they were brian sort of threw these in to sweeten the deal
[14:22] on the other airplanes we're going to talk about in a minute so they're just some stuff that he i believe he had laying around probably stuff that he got kind of extra yeah as a as a bonus that he got probably with a package and he's just passing them off but yeah they're very like the biggest one here is this t-34 i thought it was a gws but we did a quick google search and we't find it. But it has GWS servos in it, and it looked like a GWS speed controller.
[14:50] But it's a foamy 33-ish inches, pretty rough shape, but I don't know. Definitely repairable and flyable. Yeah, I think so. So we'll see. But there's that, and then there's a, what is this thing? I forget. It's a Chicago model company, Neoflight 3, which looks like a high-wing Cessna. It's about a 32-inch wing, foam. It's a weird airplane. Yeah, it has integrated electronics. Yeah, so back from the 90s, from what we found. Right. Integrated electronics. Yeah.
[15:24] So back from the 90s, from what we found. Right. And it was an old ready-to-fly airplane that you threw a battery in and you flew it. Yeah. NICADs or nickel-mantle hydrants. One of the two, yeah. But I think we can make that fly. Probably replace electronics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you look in, there's like one big board that all the electronics are sort of integrated into. And that's how that first Cub I had was, that Super Cub. Oh, okay. Everything was built into one board. Yeah.
[15:53] So, I mean, not a lot different than that, but the receiver is all built into that and everything else. And then another neat little airplane we got here is a House of Balsa Half A Beechcraft Bonanza V-tail. Minus, unfortunately. unfortunately well minus the wing but that that's not too hard to build a wing i wouldn't think so the hard part i think is finished which is the the fuselage it's got a few things that need to be done but yeah
[16:18] the the worst definitely definitely with a with a wing could be made flyable oh absolutely and will be yeah i mean i i fully expect to do that one right and then this finally this last one it's a it's kind of a unique combination it's a balsa fuselage with a foam wing with no ailerons which that's fine but also a a rubber banded on foam horizontal stab i know which i've never seen before i haven't
[16:44] either i think that's like in all my years of tinkering with these things that's the first banded on foam horizontal stab. I know. Which I've never seen before. I haven't either. I think that's so cool. Like in all my years of tinkering with these things, that's the first time I've ever seen that combination, which is kind of cool. Yeah, it's weird because I thought it was broken when we first saw it because there was no tail on it or no stabilizer horizontal stab on it. Yeah.
[16:59] And then he pulls it out and he's like, oh, this goes with it. And it's like, really? Rubber bands is all that hold that on yeah just like and it has little holes that go through the stab to run the the rubber bands through so it doesn't hit the elevator yeah yeah i just yeah you're right i just noticed that yeah but yeah i mean if you think about back in the day trainers the the high wing trainers the wings were rubber banded on. Well, this is the same idea,
[17:25] except it's the horizontal stab, and it's rubber banded onto the bottom of the back of the fuselage. Yeah, so weird. It's really, really unique. And right up your alley, it's nitro. It is, it comes with an Enya 09, looks like a brand new, I mean, it doesn't look like it's ever been ran. And so I don't understand how that works because you said it's going to be loud it's going to be very loud there's no money for an 09 it's going to be loud
[17:54] because there's no muffler on no muffler and you said the throttle's controlled it has an exhaust what i call an exhaust throttle so it has a carburetor with a Venturi and a barrel that controls, but it also has a plate that rotates, that's connected to the linkage that also rotates the barrel of the carburetor. And they rotate and move in unison such that at idle, the exhaust port or outlet, if you will, on the engine is nearly covered at idle. And then as you raise
[18:26] the throttles, you open the throttle barrel in the carburetor, the linkage pulls the baffle and opens up the exhaust to a wide open atmosphere. So what good, I mean, like what good does that do? So back in the day when this engine was made, especially small engines. Which if you had to guess, when is that day? So this engine is definitely, I'd have to do the research, and there's other experts out there that would probably call me out,
[18:52] but early 80s, probably late 70s for this particular engine. Anyway, the technology or the machining processes then were not quite as fine and what's intricate as that we can machine today. So to get an engine of this size back then to idle, transition, and run wide open reliably could not be done with a carburetor alone we just didn't have the technology to machine the tolerances and the and the orifices
[19:33] hard to say correctly to get to make an engine like this run so what they did is they they used a combination of the throttle barrel and the closing off the throttle to vary the back pressure to allow you to kind of fine tune to get the engine to run through all those phases the idle transition and wide open unfortunately the side effect at least for this engine is because of the way the baffle
[19:58] is designed there's no way to fit a muffler at all so it it's, yeah, at wide open, the exhaust is wide open, like no muffling whatsoever. It'll get quiet at idle because the exhaust is getting closed off with that baffle. So interesting. That's gonna be cool to hear. Larger engines back in the day, just FYI, like K&B actually, well, even before K&B, they used the same sort of idea. they had a throttle, a throttleable carburetor and also a baffle,
[20:29] but the baffle was inside the exhaust port, and it was a flat plate, kind of like a butterfly, and it had a lever on it that was connected to the linkage on the carburetor also, so that you could still fit a muffler over the top of it, and it would just baffle the exhaust that way. But this one… Kind of like the intake on a carburetor. okay in reverse yeah yeah except yeah on this little guy here it's just a
[20:49] plate that rotates yeah it's it's neat the way it's set up yeah like engineering is just it'll be yeah it'll be fun to play with i think i'm actually kind of looking forward to tinkering with that one so how do you get back pressure on that one like to in order to pressurize the tank that's that's part of the reason why there's an exhaust baffle on there that'll like to in order to pressurize the tank to get a few that's that's part of the
[21:05] reason why there's an exhaust baffle on there that'll help to draw the fuel by increasing the schnurly poor the not the shirley but is that a thing shirley i think that's how it's pronounced it's s-c-h-n-e-u-r-l-e that was a person's name and that was a a type of porting on two strokes a person's name and that was a a type of porting on two strokes that revolutionized two strokes actually back in the day they had pre that and then everything post that has and it
[21:33] increased power and exhaust transfer and fuel timing and all that sort of stuff but anyway this one this little guy here there's no way to pressurize the tank. So, the varying the internal pressure in the engine by muffling or closing off some of the exhaust also helps it transfer fuel to draw it from the tank. So, it helps create suction then? It does, yeah. Okay. Basically, helps create suction. Yeah, to put it simply.
[22:04] And so then, is that still like a two-line setup to where one is just a vent? It'll just be open to the air. Okay. Yep. Basically helps create suction. Yeah, to put it simply. And so then is that still like a two-line setup to where one is just a vent? It'll just be open to the air. Okay. Yep. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I want to hear that one run. And something else that's unique about this engine, the exhaust is on the wrong side. That doesn't mean anything to me. So.
[22:20] I mean, like, okay. Since the, gosh, 80s for sure. Mid-80s probably. If you look at 90%… No, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to visualize in my mind which side… Oh, I'm sorry….the exhaust is coming off of. So, like, if you're sitting in the cockpit looking out the front of the airplane, since the 80s or so, 90% or more of two-stroke engines, the exhaust has been on the right-hand side of the engine. I guessed wrong. I just guessed left.
[22:49] Well, I mean, think about where the muffler is always hanging off. It's always hanging off the right side. I don't do much with nitro, so. Well, on an upright engine, if you're sitting in the cockpit, the exhaust is always hanging off the right-hand side. Okay. This little guy, it's on the left side, which is kind of cool. You don't see that very often. That's what I'm getting at. Yeah. me it was neat apparently not so you're going to take that off
[23:09] and put it on your engine on your engine test stand and i might i mean that would be i might yeah i mean i don't see any reason why i shouldn't i mean it has to be tested before it's flown because we don't know the condition of it tell you you what, we'll do that. Bring your test stand out next week. Next weekend. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll try to remember that. For cookie day. Do you have one of those crashland workmates? Yeah, I do. I do shop. Cool. Is there much I don't?
[23:40] I'm not trying to say that in a bad way. Your shop is pretty well stocked. And finally, the airplane I'm most excited about now me too actually so we found a pair of new in the box carl goldberg super chipmunk 400 electrics that are little arfs built up from balsa the quality on these things is amazing. I mean, they're really well done. Slight difference between the two in age, but we're guessing 2012-ish for the newer one and probably 2010 for the other version, I think so.
[24:18] You think that's the only difference? I think so. Just a couple years? A couple years, probably, yeah. Because if you think about it, brushless motors and LiPos were really developing fast back then yeah so it probably was only because the one that i'm choosing to take uses a stick mount electric motor which i'd never heard of that before and then and then yours uses the more traditional firewall direct drive yeah
[24:39] yeah and so yours is going to be mine it was designed to run a brushless in-runner gearbox. That's what the mine is. Okay. So I didn't realize that was an in-runner. So, yeah, that's going to be a higher RPM that's going to be geared down. Yes. Quite a bit. Exactly. Interesting. Yep. And mine will make more noise, obviously, because of the gearbox. Yeah. And just as luck would have it, several years ago, our buddy Dave built an F-15 Foamy for me, and it was a pusher.
[25:11] And this was, I guess, more than a few years ago because it's a brushless inrunner. Those aren't real common today. But anyway, I crashed it some years ago. Not bad, but bad enough that I didn't feel like gluing it back together or asking dave to do it so i kept but i kept all the electronics to include the servos oh they're in a back what it's kind of like a duelist bucket but it's an f-15 bag that's funny what else do you
[25:37] have sitting there like but there's the the ghost of planes crashed i think that's about it well no there's a couple other bags back there. Anyway, so there's the brushless in-runner setup with a speed controller. And then I have the servos. And then I'm pretty sure I used the receiver and something else. But, yeah, so that's really the only difference between these two little guys. So you're set then. Yeah, 28, the flying weight of 28 ounces, I think we saw, right?
[26:04] Three cell, 1300 LiPo, I think is what we're going to fly them with. But like I said, I'm the most excited about this because I love the Super Chipmunk. I do too. I built a Goldberg, the big kit one, many years ago, and I never flew it. I sold it, the airframe, before I ever had a chance to finish it and fly it, and I've always wanted one since.
[26:29] Well, now you have a mini one. Now I have a have a mini one yeah so i'm really excited about it maybe one day you'll get a a daddy size one maybe instead of a little baby one i saw one like i saw a a goldberg kit of the one i'm talking about go on rc groups here not long ago over 300 wow for a vintage old kit like that. I'm not sure I'm willing to pay that for one, but I would sure like to have one someday. Well, I mean, why not? But yeah, so now we'll each have one,
[26:56] and they're identical in size. The only difference, or the minor difference, is the way the electronics mount, and you have a battery tray, and yours and mine just stuff the battery in the nose. Yeah, I can put a pilot in mine, and I have have a kind of a i don't want to say detailed cockpit but it has a sticker yeah it actually has a dash panel with a sticker and gauges on it and stuff mine is just wood but
[27:15] yeah and then mine's held on with with the traditional nowadays yeah magnets magnets yeah and yours mine actually has a little spring loaded that's not spring loaded but it's a little wire catch you pull the wire out and the canopy pops off and when you're done doing Mine actually has a little spring loaded. That's not spring loaded, but it's a little wire catch. You pull the wire out and the canopy pops off. And when you're done doing whatever you're doing there,
[27:30] you pop it back on and slide the wire back in. That's where your battery goes. No, the battery goes where the wing is. It goes and stuffs in the nose. You have to take the wing off to get the battery out. Oh, really? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm glad you chose that one. Either way, they're going to be a good time. They're going to be fun to build, I think. Yeah, for the 25 minutes it takes to do it.
[27:51] Ron and I decided we're going to spend a low-stress evening, one of these evenings after the holidays are over, and just put these things together with no strings attached. Yeah, I think it'll be a good idea. There's not a lot that goes into them. Like I said, they're pretty close to being done. What else did we buy while we were up there? I think that's it. That's it for the airplanes, yeah. Miscellaneous things. Yeah, I bought some covering for the Duelist. For the Duelist, right.
[28:15] And then you got some hardware and stuff for your Duelist. I got the receiver. I got some propellers. Unfortunately, I think, so I want to go with the three blade prop oh yeah and i actually bought three three blade props and i bought one pusher one normal so i'm going to be able to do the counter rotating by one you have two motors one pusher one normal oh you're going
[28:36] to put a three blade on one side and a two blade on the other what did i misspeak it confused me a little bit so i know what you mean i bought three blade props yes two yes one of which is regular right and one is a pusher oh now i'm tracking okay so counter rotating counter rotate so that way i can actually do spin them backwards and and get rid of the p factor and all that kind of stuff. However, he didn't have three bladed propeller spinners. True. Yeah.
[29:09] So I'm probably going to end up flying. It's got to have a spinner. Oh, it has to. I mean, yeah, it wouldn't look right without it. Nope. So I'm probably going to end up flying it just on a regular two blade prop until he gets those in and then we'll go from there. But yeah, so it's going to be fun. And I did buy the wood props because yes, not on the three blade, but on the two blade, I bought the wood props because I really like…
[29:27] I don't know if you can buy wooden three blade props anymore. I know there were companies back in the day that used to make them. I've seen bigger ones. Big ones, yes. But like in the sport kind of size, I don't think we can get them in that size anymore. That's too bad. That'd be cool. It would be. There you go. There's a business opportunity for you. Yeah, figure out how to do it. But that's about all I got. Like I said, just miscellaneous electronic stuff and things to finish it up.
[29:51] But other than that, I didn't buy anything else too exciting. So it was a fun visit, though. It was a fun visit. We had dinner on the way home at Arby's. We did. Arby's. Poor Tom. so go on yeah so i i order i go through the drive-thru and they have deals going on all the time i forgot you got like 20 roast beef for two bucks they had five for ten on their classic roast beef i was like yeah give me five give me five i didn't
[30:19] eat them all no that's true i only had one on the way home that's true but because you weren't worried but well just i didn't want to eat them all. But, yeah, I ordered two beef and cheddar sandwiches and a curly fry or something like that. And, yeah, luckily we decided to stop and eat there because I'm not a big fan of driving and eating at the same time. Not a big fan. Yeah, eating in the parking lot because everything is closed. Yeah, yeah.
[30:43] In case everyone didn't know, COVID has closed everything down everything down where we are so you can't eat in the dining room yeah so eating there and the first sandwich i open up has no cheddar it's a beef and cheddar sandwich there's no cheddar on it i mean it's in the title of what the sandwich is and cheddar right you got a beef i got a beef and whatever that sauce is that they put on it. Red, what did my wife say? What was it? Like a Red Ranch sauce? Red Ranch, yeah.
[31:10] Whatever it is. It's not Arby's sauce. Okay, well, whatever it is. No cheese. So I'm thinking, what are the odds? They probably got the other one wrong too. So I open up the second sandwich. It's got cheese on it. Perfect. So one out of two. 50%. That's a good one. Like, they probably, they probably had both sandwiches together on their little table where they make them, or their counter, or whatever, and managed to get cheese on one of them. Okay. It's not the end of the world.
[31:38] I know. It's okay. It's just a minor pet peeve. They took care of it, did they not? Oh, absolutely. They, for sure, they completely took care of it did they not absolutely they for sure they completely they completely took care of it and everything was right as rain after that but i mean you're just old and crotchety i am but you're two sandwiches old and crotchets to each other how do you get cheese on one and not the other i don't i don't understand anyway anyway yes they did make it
[32:01] right and and it was delicious and yeah once we got home and we got everything unloaded, then I realized, holy cow, we came home with a lot of airplanes. For some reason, it didn't really sink in, even as I was loading them all at the shop to bring them home. But anyway, it was a good trip. It was a good trip. I enjoyed it very much. Yep. I would like to do it again sometime. Yeah, I would too.
[32:26] Well, maybe not come home with seven airplanes again. that's what i meant oh geez no i'm not running out of room no i'm out of room well i technically have been out of room so like i don't even know where i'm gonna take the little chip back yeah i don't know and they just leave it here since we're gonna build them here like i figured you wouldn't tell it was built okay Okay. That's probably what I'll do then. But I don't expect you to leave it here once it's built.
[32:48] Oh, dang. Okay. Anyway, yeah. So good times. It was. Yeah. It was a great conversation with Brian. So if you haven't listened to last week's episode, it was a special guest, Brian from Dynamic Balsa. Great conversation. The guy's been in business for, well, since 2008, dynamic boss a great conversation the guy's been in business for well since 2008 he's been a hobby shop but he's been involved in the hobby since 1985. and and when i say been involved in the
[33:11] hobby like involved yeah not just i fly yeah not just i build model airplanes i mean he has owned companies he has yeah he's cut foam core i mean the guy's done just about everything you can do in the hobby and done it well yeah i mean like i felt like i shouldn't even have had a microphone for that whole thing because i was quiet i was i was just sitting there listening to both of you because i
[33:34] didn't understand half the stuff you're talking about you're talking about some of these old old businesses and stuff that he's had like the foam wing stuff and right that means nothing to me i've never heard of them i've not lived through it like you guys have. Yeah, you weren't involved then. I was just enjoying the conversation sitting back, and then every now and then I was like, -huh, I agree. That's good. Yeah. But no, it was fun. Yep, I'd like to do that again someday.
[33:58] I think we should. Once we have time and get through the holidays and stuff. Yeah, have him as a guest again. I think it'd be fun. There you go. So, dualist update? Oh, a little thing for me. I still have not received my covering. Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding, no. Oh my gosh. I emailed him and I haven't heard back from him. So remember I told you I ordered two different orders? Yes. The second order I received. Oh, yeah.
[34:26] Yeah, that has come in and you could have covered your airplane already with it. No, I mean, I ordered two separate orders from the eBay place. Oh, okay. That second order came in. That you ordered after the first one. I ordered after the first one. Now, like I said, three full orders. Yeah. One through the actual Value Hobby Shop, and I got that the next day. Through eBay. Wow. I'm still waiting three weeks later, four weeks, whatever it's been now. I don't understand that. Yeah.
[34:52] But that's okay. We'll get things taken care of. So at this point, it's really an experiment. Yeah. Now it's just I want to see how long it takes. How long will it take them to ship me the covering from the same place that I got the covering next day from. Yeah. Three hours away. That'll be interesting. We should have stopped up there. I mean, like we were close. It was close. Yeah. Yeah. We were close. That was, I didn't think of that. Yeah. Hindsight. Oh, well. 2020.
[35:16] But so that's all I've really had time to do on my do list. There's been so much other stuff going on. I'm sorry. I haven't had a chance. Oh, that's okay. Well, and I'll talk about it. i'm sorry i haven't had a chance okay well and i'll talk about it i i had kind of a a look over your duelist and i noticed i did notice that your your wing looked weird in the saddle like there was a big gap at the trailing edge i was like that's you might want to look
[35:38] into that and then i mentioned to check the incidents and were like, what does that mean? What is that? I have the gauge for it, but what does that mean? Yeah. I never even thought about it. So I'll talk about that just a little bit here. So incidence refers to relative to the, some datum, some line, imaginary line, either it could be the aircraft center line, it could be the cord line, it could be whatever frame of reference you want to use, as long as you use
[36:10] the same one for all these measurements. Which for this plane, it would be… The fuselage crutch. Yeah, that stringer that goes all the way from the front to the back. Nice. Stringer. You got it. Thank you. You've had problems with that before so good job no it was i don't think stringer gave me a lot of problems i thought it was the oh the wing ribs yeah anyway you're right so the frame of reference on the dualist is that stringer which is also
[36:37] on the plans called the crutch it actually says that on there i believe so oh okay it was a plat is dave platism he called him crutches on his airplanes which by the way i didn't mean to cut you off okay just talking last week i was just floored because i mean i i i guess i don't realize how small of a hobby community this the community is for this yeah Yeah. Just talking to him. And when we started talking about, yeah, we're building the do list and stuff.
[37:08] And he's like, oh, from Dave Platt. Yeah, I know him. It's just like, really? I mean, you're just kind of floored by that. I don't know why. Yeah. Yeah. Not to get off topic again, but yeah, Brian, he like knows everybody involved in the hobby. he like knows everybody involved in the hobby if they if they were a manufacturer or a designer or i mean he knows them all which is really neat i think anyway incidents so we have our frame of
[37:37] reference like in this case we've got the stringer on the fuselage side and we're going to take all of our measurements off of that so that we're consistent and incidence refers to the angle of the wing cord and or the stabilizer cord if there is well there actually is one even if it's a flat stab and the angle of those relative to that datum and on the plans at least for our duelist those are zero
[38:08] degrees so Dave Platt wants us to build our wing saddle such that the wing cord line sits parallel or zero degrees to the our datum which is the the fuselage cr. And the same goes for the stab. So they both have to be sitting parallel to that crutch, which will, the reason for using different incidences, I think that's the plural of incidence. Incidence I. Incidence I. Incidencies. Incidencies. There's lots of aerodynamic reasons that you would not want,
[38:48] say, a wing at zero degrees. I'm not going to get into that because every airplane is different. Biplanes sometimes use a top wing incidence that is different than the bottom wing or vice versa, or sometimes they'll set their horizontal stab at a different angle than the wings, for whatever reason. They're not always set to zero. And your plans will always tell you,
[39:17] well, I shouldn't say always, but the plans will usually tell you, especially if you're building from plans. You can usually determine from the plans if they're, what that angle is supposed to be. So on your dualist, I noticed that there was a lot of area with your wing sitting in your wing saddle, there was a lot of area between the trailing edge of your wing and your fuselage. And so I suggested that you might want to bolt the wing on, set it on a level-ish surface,
[39:41] and then measure those and make sure those are both zero. Wing and stab. And I know there's still room for sanding on the fuselage before that sits down nicely. But I just, I didn't think anything about the reason why it needed to be done that way. Yep. Well, that's why. Yeah. And my guess is, just looking quickly at yours, a little bit of sanding in the wing saddle will bring that right right to zero degrees and you've been good to go yeah because there's still room like between
[40:11] the balsa and the former on the inside of the fuselage and lucky for us the fuselage sides are just eighth inch sheet and very easy to sand yeah so and it almost looks like it was designed in order to have like nothing touching like the the wing is not going to touch a former at all yep like it's not supposed to if yeah there's a little bit of there's enough gap to kind of fix it and have a little fudge room which is good for those
[40:35] of us and i needed it on mine because i think actually i think on mine is it f6 i think is the one the the the the aft most former that's still in the wing saddle area? I think mine, F6, is touching the wing. But the other formers, I do have a little bit of a gap, which is interesting. Probably just a variation or, me making small changes or whatever. It also goes into that whole, remember, the formers don't line up in the two different places on the plant, too.
[41:06] So that could be. Your datum is off, or not your datum, your stringer is off a little bit based on what it says on the plant. Yeah. But I do know that my incidents on my stab and my wing match, and they are relative to the crutch at zero degrees. Yeah. Mine will. We'll see. Once I'm done. If it flies wonky, then I'll know. Wonky. Well, you'll have a chance to maybe fix it. I don't know if you have to. On the next one? I hope not. No. I don't plan on building another do-list.
[41:37] Well, I didn't plan on building another one either back in the day. Oh, really? I mean, did you tell yourself you didn't want to do it or was it just a… Well, honestly, back then it was like well i'll just i'll come across a kit someday and then i'll build another one and now i mean i posted a link on on facebook here just last week that i'd one of them popped up for sale for 300 something dollars wasn't that in england or something portugal i think oh
[42:05] but there one popped up here in the states just a couple of days later and i think it might still be on ebay i can't remember but it was over 200 last time i checked so i mean really that's not bad no it's not it's not if you look at how much we spent on wood yeah right absolutely right especially since i've built three wings well there's that So, yeah, that's a little bit about incidence and what it means and what it looks like. And since I'm talking about the wing saddle area.
[42:34] Yeah, this is the other thing I wanted to ask you. How about, yeah, how about I talk about my fillets? That's a good idea. Because I want to know. Is it fillets or fillets? Well, for that I would say wing fillet. Yeah. If it's a steak, I would say fillet. Right. So basically what we're talking about is the smoothing of the area where the wing interfaces with the fuselage.
[42:57] I think like a P40, like where the wing actually attaches to the fuselage and it's rounded and it's not just like a 90 degree angle. Technically, they're called fairings. Oh, is that what it is? It's a wing fairing. Oh, well then why don't you call it that? Well, we didn't because it, I don't know. I'm not sure why. Okay, so the wing fairing. So the wing fillet fairing. The wing fairing fillet. Smoothed area.
[43:21] So how I did that on mine, I would not do again for covering an airplane with film, MonoKote in my case. So how I did mine, I, so I have this product, it's called, I believe we call it G10, but it's basically FRP, fiberglass reinforced plastic, whatever. And it's very, very thin. What was it? 15 thousandths or so. And to be honest, where I got it from, I'm not sure you can still get it. Actually, I got it from Jim Allen, if you remember out of his stuff.
[43:56] And where he got it, I'm pretty sure he got it from Advanced Composites is the name of the company. Okay. Or was the name of the company. I'm sure there's other companies that make it, but basically it's just, it's fiberglass. It's pre-cured fiberglass cloth with the resin in it. And the stuff I have is really super thin and flexible. And I use that as my base. So what I did. And it's clear. It's translucent. Well, it's translucent. Yeah.
[44:23] So what I did is I formed a base out of that material and glued it to the fuselage saddle area, mounted my wing. Actually, I should start over. The way I did mine, probably there's easier ways. But what I did is I cut the base to shape. And you want it to sort of fare smoothly into the wing so at the leading edge it's going to be smaller not as wide and then it's going to get wider as it goes back to the trailing edge of the wing I cut mine to shape first I mounted my
[45:00] wing and then I slid them because I had a little bit of a gap between my wing and my stab or my fuselage i slid them with the wing mounted loosely i slid them between that interface in that wing saddle area and then i tightened up the bolts of the wing to draw the wing up tight to the fuselage which sort of clamped those in position and then i kind of moved them a little bit once i got once i got them where i
[45:25] liked them i glued them carefully to the fuselage side now what i should have done is i should have probably mixed up a layer or mixed up a batch of say 30 minute epoxy with some filler of some kind micro balloons or balsa dust or whatever you want to use. Probably should have mixed up a layer of that, covered the wing center section with plastic wrap or something, and then done all that with that filler in place,
[45:56] gluing the bases with that to help take up some of the gaps. To get inside of it too. Yeah. Would have made them a lot stronger. But the way I did it worked, and I used Thick CA to glue those bases to the fuselage with the wing in position sure so I tack glued it in a few places made sure it was not going to move then I removed the wing and went back and glued it solid with the rest of the way where I
[46:16] had missed any areas yeah and then and once I did that once I was satisfied with that fit, I sort of shaped the base of the fillet, this fiberglass stuff, with a sanding block so that it made a smooth transition from really narrow at the front to kind of wide at the back. And I made mine, I think, three quarters of an inch or so at the widest point at the back.
[46:42] And at the front, they start off at about a sixteenth of an inch sticking out of the fuselage side if that makes sense so once i had them sanded to the shape that i wanted then came the fun part and this is where i probably would do things a lot differently if you're going to cover the airframe with MonoKote which is what i'm doing on mine probably what i would do now is i would fill that fillet area with balsa and sand that
[47:14] to the fillet shape the smooth air fair shape because balls or because MonoKote sticks to balsa really really well and it doesn't try to pull it apart as you shrink it. But what I did instead of doing it that way, which I learned. Learned from your mistake. I should probably preface this by saying this is the first time I've really gone out and built my own wing fillets. So a lot of scale kits, they have them built into the formers so that it makes that shape for you.
[47:44] And then when you sheet it, you've got your nice fairing there already and that's what i'm familiar with so i've never built my fillets this way they've always just been too complicated for me to try to tackle myself and so i always just did without them i mean i'm glad i built them but if i was fiberglassing an air frame the way way I did it would be just fine. But anyway, since I'm monocoating it, what I would do is I would fill that space
[48:11] between your fillet base and the concave area of the fuselage. I would fill that with balsa as tight-fitting as you can, cut small pieces. Triangular stock would work well for this in small sections, and you can glue them in sections and then fill the small voids or sand them so they fit really well together each section what i mean sure segment i'm following and then once the ball says in there sand that to the shape and then
[48:34] only minor filling would be required to really get it smooth but that's how i would do it now what you did was what i did what i did was yeah so what i did i took 30 minute epoxy and i mixed a lot of micro balloons with it to make it a really thick almost a paste such that like when i turned the cup over it would come out it would run out of the cup but it was really
[49:02] really thick and slow because i didn't want it to run all over the place when i'm trying to make my wing fillets and what i did is i mixed that up mix that mixture up and i dumped it in that area where the imagine it's a v right yeah you're at an angle now yeah and i dumped that in there you've tilted the the fuselage 45 degrees yeah rotate the fuselage so that I'm looking straight down into the void between the fuselage and the fillet base that I made. So it's like a cup.
[49:33] Faring base. Faring base, there you go. And I poured this mixture in there and I smoothed it out. And then as it was kicking off, so I used 30-minute epoxy. And here's a warning about 30 minute epoxy when you use a lot of micro balloons or filler for whatever reason it kicks off really really fast like i was not expecting that it actually kicked off before i was ready so i had to do a lot of
[49:59] grinding not sanding a lot of grinding on the first one i did not know all of this because it kicked off so quick and i was i didn't have it near the shape i wanted it when it finally hardened to the point where i couldn't work it anymore yeah epoxy is weird in how fast it sets up it is i mean it's not like it goes from liquid to thicker liquid to thicker liquid to solid like on an even line of time yeah it's exponential. It's very much exponential. And I went in that hard way too.
[50:28] But there's a sweet spot in there where it's very, it's malleable without being runny, if that makes sense. Yeah. And that was my goal was to wait for that moment in time. And then take a finger, dip it in alcohol or use a gloved that moment in time. And then take a finger, dip it in alcohol or use a gloved finger dipped in alcohol. And then my goal was just to take my finger and kind of shape that fillet as kind of a concave, smooth, fared shape. Well, that didn't work out.
[51:00] Like I said, the stuff kicked off before I was ready. And by the time I was ready to start smoothing it was already hard as a rock and there was no there was no shaping it with my finger I had to shape it with a sanding drum in my Dremel Wow yeah the first one yeah so continue on and tell me how you finished because I thought you did it differently than what you've told me so far. So my plan was to do the entire fillet with this mixture of epoxy and filler.
[51:32] And then my thought was I was going to get to that sweet spot where it was malleable and I was going to shape it with my finger and it was going to be perfectly shaped. And then all I would have to do would be come and just touch it up with a little bit of sandpaper, and then I'd be ready for covering. And so there was no thought? No, that was the thought. No, there was no thought of, I've not done this before. Let me do a test
[51:55] somewhere else to see how this works. Nope. I did a test batch. I didn't do the entire process, but I did mix up a test batch in my mixing cup, and I set it off to the side, and I watched it. Not watched it, but I mean, what I'm saying. I checked it frequently, and then when it got to a point where I thought, okay, this is the point where I'm going to be able to work with it, it was 10 minutes, let's say. I forget what the time was.
[52:23] You do realize, too, though realize I know more product than you have the more understand the more heat that is given off and the faster it sets and that's why I mixed up the same amount for my test batch that I was going to use on my first run I was planning on doing this in multiple I wasn't gonna try to do my entire fill it in one go. My plan was to do as much as I could do the first one. And then if that wasn't enough,
[52:49] hopefully it'd be shallow and I could come and do another layer. And if that wasn't enough, do another layer. That was my plan. Okay. So, which is why my test batch was the exact same amounts of everything that I was using, the A and B and the filler, right, as my batch that I was going to put on the airframe. But something about when it's in a cup altogether, the heat gets concentrated and it kicks off faster. So anyway, it kicked off and it hardened
[53:17] and I had to go back with a sanding drum and my Dremel and nearly grind all of it off, almost. And then I got discouraged, didn't want to do, go through all that again because it was very stressful and I really wanted this to look nice. So, so then it was just me building the area up with, and I hate to say it, spackle. Filler, wood filler. Yeah. Lightweight. I did not use the lightweight stuff i used regular
[53:45] the the stuff that's pink and it turns white as it as it dries yeah it shows you want to strive by what color it is yeah so you didn't even use the lightweight stuff why for what well the reason i didn't use the lightweight stuff is because the lightweight stuff i mean you can nearly sand lightweight the really lightweight stuff that i have oh you're talking about the okay so the dap lightweight filler that you're talking about you get from Lowe's and places like that.
[54:08] Yeah, just lightweight spackle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The lightweight spackle, the problem with that stuff is I think it has a lot of plastic in it because when it's dry to the touch, feels like, okay, I can sand this now. What happens is you'll sand it, it'll either get hot from sanding or maybe the the heat generated from from sanding it or maybe it's not cured like underneath the surface but what happens is it balls up underneath the sanding paper and then those little balls then grind
[54:39] divots into the remaining filler or balsa, even worse, underneath it. So that's been my experience with the lightweight spackle. Now, the lightweight model filler stuff that I've been using, the model used to be called Dave Brown or Goldberg Model Magic. Now it's Advanced Products or something like that, lightweight. It's a balsa-colored lightweight model filler, It's a balsa-colored, lightweight model filler, and it's way too lightweight to use in big areas like a fillet or deep areas,
[55:13] especially where you're going to be monocoating to it. Because what MonoKote likes to do, it likes to shrink with heat, and it also likes to grab onto whatever's underneath it because of the adhesive that's on the film. onto whatever's underneath it because of the adhesive that's on the film well as it shrinks the adhesive grabs the filler and pulls it actually pulls it apart since it's a concave
[55:31] that you're covering yeah okay yeah and that was my experience so then that required because i was gonna the thought process was oh well i'll just fill everything in with my lightweight model filler and then i'll cover over it and then yeah that didn't work so then i went back with the regular spackle which is a little bit heavier than the lightweight stuff but it sands much better yeah but the same sort of problem
[55:58] the MonoKote stuck to it and then as it shrank it pulled the filler apart kind of like into crumbles it was kind of kind of neat and kind of weird at the same time so then because of where it was so then on the final the final solution at least in in my case was to use the regular spackle not the lightweight stuff but the regular spackle and then go over the spackle with thin CA to sort of make it hard and develop a like
[56:27] a layer on it and then I was able to actually cover get the covering to stick to that 45 towns later quite a quite a process it's not as heavy as I as you would think because my fillets ended up being much smaller because I got tired of trying to fill that wide area. They're still pretty nice and pretty smooth. But yeah, they were way more difficult than I needed to make them. Looking back, I would just take balsa tri-stock, fill in that gap, cut little segments of it to fit,
[57:03] and then come back and sand those smooth, and then use filler to fill the small gaps, and then it would have been golden. I'd be good to go. Yeah. But if we were fiberglassing these airframes, that lightweight spackle or lightweight filler would have worked just fine, because we're not shrinking or heating anything onto that. Well, you learned. Lesson learned. I'm not ever going to use epoxy to make my fillets again,
[57:26] at least not on a Balsa airframe that's not getting, fiberglassed. So, did you do the epoxy on the other side too? I did. To make it match? I did, yeah. Okay. That's what I would have done. I did the same process, but I was much more cautious on the other side, so I didn't have to do any of the grinding or the sanding thank goodness but yeah there's one layer of epoxy right on the fillet base and then above that it's all the spackle
[57:51] nice smooth to shape and it's all covered now and it looks okay yeah you're way ahead of me it looks okay i'm not i'm not really really really in love with it but really, really, really in love with it. But at this point, it's covered. I'm moving on. Well, good. So speaking of covering, yeah, the rest of my update is just I've got the fuselage about 80% covered. And I'm going to start hopefully the wing here in a few days. Cool.
[58:22] And then it'll be final installation of my gear. I was going to say, hopefully the next thing we really have to report is going to be we're done and ready to fly it. Hopefully that will be the next episode. I'm really hopeful because our next episode will be,. Well, next episode will be the wives. Well, right. But the next episode of just us, I mean. Yeah. So just the two of us. We should be talking about that being finished.
[58:50] And hopefully, yeah, hopefully successful test flights and moving on to the next whatever topic it it is there we go so cool anything else you want to talk about today i did want to mention it's been a while since we've thanked the folks that have decided to be patrons of ours and wanted to like i said thank them and then if you're not a patron yet there's you can still become a patron. And just go to Patreon and support us that way if you like what we do.
[59:10] Also, if you're into the RC Plane Lab swag, there's a link to stuff you can buy with our logo on it right on our website, rcplanelab.com. New shop set up. We got hats and everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool looking stuff. I've got a couple shirts myself. So do I. I got to get a beanie, though. beanie though yeah you do we're gonna start doing videos soon we gotta look good gotta support the support the logo that's if i ever get my camera well it's still
[59:33] waiting it'll get here it's probably gonna come the same day that my covering comes on the same yeah on the same truck from three hours away yeah actually. Actually, it does come from here in Illinois, too. The camera stuff does. So anyway, I hope they're in the same box. That would be awesome. Who knows anymore? I have no clue. But yeah, that's all I have. All right. Good. Cool. Until next time, I'm Ron. And I'm Tom. Merry Christmas, everybody. Happy holidays. All right. Good night.
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