Ep 72: TRUST, and a Bunch of Other Stuff

[00:00:00] Hello everyone welcome to the rc plane lab podcast i'm ron i'm tom well we've had a busy couple

[00:00:10] Weeks yeah we actually did stuff that we said we were going to do on our break which we're not on our break anymore but we got some stuff done so yeah we went to the field we did i went

[00:00:20] Twice i went well you went once well i went once right i went twice you did it was actually kind of funny so the first time i had no plans on going to the field and i got a text from one of our buddies and said hey i'm at the field where are you what do you mean where am i maybe

[00:00:35] Text me beforehand and say hey we're going out would you like to meet us there

[00:00:39] Or whatever well actually i didn't have a lot of time no i didn't have any time but i had to rearrange some stuff and my wife did everything that i was supposed to do so i could go out and have some fun so very kind of her i enjoyed that for letting ron go out and play but so there was a guy there and you're a nitro guy yeah he had i think it was is it os 55 does that make sense okay so he had an os 55 and it had a tuned pipe on it 55 ax yep very nice sounding engine oh yeah i mean like it it screamed yeah very very fast the plane was fast the motor was fast you could hear the prop

[00:01:13] Even like ripping yeah it was pretty cool for for a plane that size yeah however he had to change the glow plug after every flight oh dear like he would try to start it up after he landed to go up

[00:01:27] Again especially now look not cheap i don't know if you guys have noticed right now but like iridium is apparently hard to get so there's not like i mean there's still glow plugs out there but they're they're a little pricey yeah what are they like nine bucks ten bucks nine to ten bucks yeah i remember

[00:01:43] When i started with with cars it was like a dollar 99 a piece yeah you could get the the mccoy mc59s

[00:01:49] Whatever it was yeah for not a clue yeah two bucks a piece but yeah not anymore but okay so so back to

[00:01:55] This guy so he was running it and after every flight like i said he had to change it yeah so you weren't there right but based on what i told you tell me exactly what was wrong with that

[00:02:08] Wow exactly i mean exactly yeah with no margin for error well no of course not

[00:02:14] I mean like would it be like a plug that's the wrong temperature or because it could lean it could be

[00:02:19] Well it's probably what it is it's a combination of factors it's probably not any one factor okay initial impressions and i'm familiar with the airplane and the engine combination you're talking about i've seen them fly that before and yeah it does rip i mean it screams it's very fast smooth airplane too which has nothing to do with why the engine runs that way but but yeah i think i think number one he might be running it a touch lean so it's getting hot obviously number

[00:02:50] Two i think he may have it under propped like he's got it propped for max rpm which fine at the expense of premature engine wear and obviously the changing of the plug frequently i wouldn't think it would cause every flight but wow well and i i once again i was

[00:03:08] Out there saw three flights and he had to change it after the reason that he did yeah when i saw him change it before he flew it so i don't know if this is normal he didn't make it sound like it

[00:03:17] Was no you shouldn't have to change a plug after every flight well he didn't make it sound like it

[00:03:22] Was normal for that airplane so i don't know what would be different this time as opposed to like how

[00:03:26] He usually flies my guess number one is it's it's too lean and number two i don't think he has a big enough prop either he needs more pitch or more diameter and then number three it could be the plug if he's running i mean the os 55ax is a is a great engine it's a great sport engine it performs very very well it doesn't require a special plug like an os number eight plug should run in that engine in optimum conditions for seasons on one plug so my guess is if he's using a number

[00:03:58] Eight plug he's probably got it too lean and under propped would be my guess and under propping will cause too much rpm gets hot and you're causing more heat and it's just bad for plugs

[00:04:10] So if you're running an rpm that's too high is it possible you're not getting enough fuel through they're making it leaner too yeah i mean like will it will it turn faster than like the fuel can flow

[00:04:21] Through or is that not a thing well no the the fuel the limit of the fuel flow will limit rpm okay you're not going to turn more rpm than then well i didn't know if it would like lean out more but it can't go faster but but i mean more so than leaning out you're just making things hot okay you're not giving the the oil that's in the fuel long enough time in the engine to actually carry heat away with it to cool it down okay so that's my guess well that was interesting yeah but yeah man that thing does rip i've seen it fly a few times i don't remember him having that problem before he may just he may

[00:04:54] Just have a little eighth of a turn too much on the needle cool so that was that was that day

[00:04:59] I saw a couple other guys flying stuff and like i said i didn't take anything out because i didn't

[00:05:03] Have time to do anything because i didn't notice yeah you got about 10 minutes hey i'm here

[00:05:09] Where are you well and originally i told him i said well i'll be out there after i do my running and i said i can get out there probably by noon right he's like well that that's what time i'm supposed to leave he said i he's got other things going on right so i got to be out of there by noon yeah it's like well shoot let me let me see what i can do so i ended up getting out there by 11. i was proud of myself that's pretty good actually yeah and he didn't leave till about one

[00:05:34] So okay yeah well i mean but i got to see him fly he flew three airplanes he had the s-bac

[00:05:41] The big one the big one oh beautiful it is he's getting a lot better at it good landings look nice takeoffs look nice well that airplane makes i mean they're the bigger they are oh yeah you can say that the better they fly that well what is that one that's a that's a 42 percent no it's not 37 excuse me is it that i think so i didn't think it was that yeah it's a 37. it's only like 107 inch wingspan yeah but i thought it was a little bit bigger 112 i thought but whatever yeah it's got a number it's kind of dle 111 on it so i mean it's it's not a small airplane no it's not

[00:06:16] Okay and he had the was that the the not a rascal what's the the blue one that one better than i do cadet cadet yeah with a 46. yeah that he has to fly at full throttle so it doesn't fall out of the air yeah and then your old mustang oh yeah marie yeah marie with the evolution now

[00:06:36] Is that a nine or ten cc so eight cc is what sticks in my head it was a weird oh yeah it was a weird size that evolution did for a short it was like their smallest gasoline gas one yeah engine that that they i think they ever made okay but always ran good when i had it so well no it ran

[00:06:56] Good then too but yeah excellent there was just discussion nobody could remember if it was a he thought it was 10 somebody else said nine and i was like i have no clue i'm pretty sure it's an 8 cc but now that you say that that makes sense because i think that was the smallest one they've ever made

[00:07:09] Yep so yeah that was did he have safe mode on or off do you remember i don't know yeah that's actually a really good flying airplane even with the safe mode off it flies really nice i mean for a mustang

[00:07:22] Well that's a trainer i mean it's not really it's got a flat bottom wing and it's a little more it's marked like a mustang right but it's not really kind of shaped like a mustang it's like a

[00:07:32] Cartoony mustang to make it fly better yeah but it does fly good yeah but and speaking of mustangs

[00:07:36] Our buddy also had a that bigger mustang that you you had retuned the engine yeah yeah the big

[00:07:43] I think that had a 35 that has a 35 cc evolution on it gt 35 yep or 33 i think yeah he's at something

[00:07:52] Like that yeah single head i mean that thing was just like shoved in that thing but yeah apparently

[00:07:58] That had been crashed before yeah i think he had i think he had an issue with that somebody had flown it got it trimmed for him then he flew it i think in the engine died over the corn and he put it in the corn minor damage had it rebuilt and then i think that was his first time flying it after

[00:08:13] The rebuild i think it was a hairy takeoff yeah you said it looked like he was down on power it didn't seem like it had the full rpm but it just it sounded slow yeah we tuned that a few days before in my

[00:08:25] Garage which you were you were there for or i was there after but yeah and it seemed fine in the garage so i don't know we'll have to we'll have to do more work on that one i think yeah it'll be

[00:08:36] To get him some extra power somewhere interesting to see what rpm it's actually turning just maybe my ear is off i mean like i said it it doesn't or it didn't sound like it had a good speed to it but i'll

[00:08:48] Be honest when we tuned it in the garage i didn't i didn't whip out the tack to see what it was doing but by ear it sounded normal yeah so and we didn't have one with us to check either so we'll get a tack on it next time he and i get together and work on it get it going that brings us to today today yeah four successful flights for me a couple full flights for you yeah it was a good

[00:09:09] Day well yeah i mean yes okay all things considered yes i mean crashed it's a good that's true but it was windy it was a little windy it was a lot windy i mean like for your bigger planes like i just took out a small air tractor so the e-flight air tractor so i didn't have anything that could handle it well

[00:09:27] Right and it just man it got it was hard to get bumpy yeah yeah there towards the the end of the day that was just when i flew exactly because it took you a while to build up the the courage to go fly

[00:09:42] So here's the thing and i shouldn't say this but honestly here's the thing so my ama membership has lapsed yeah which i didn't realize i thought it was the end of july that it

[00:09:52] Expired but it was the end of june so june 30th is why i think mine did too i don't think no i renewed mine okay i'm good well i took me a minute to remember it's like what did i renew i did well i tried

[00:10:05] To i tried to on three different computers no sorry two different computers and my phone anytime i went through tried to i tried to okay so anytime i went through because i signed into my account and all that stuff right when you go to your cart it showed me one year membership right and i tried to do the auto renew from now on too yeah and then it would go to the to show you your page not your page but your your cart there was no checkout button like i would start to go through the checkout process and then it would get to the part where it was showing me

[00:10:35] Everything right ask me if i had a coupon code and then there was no pay button on it whoops

[00:10:41] So i emailed them haven't heard anything back so yeah ama if you're listening if anyone from i'm sure they are why wouldn't you yeah yeah if you're listening fix the the pay issue we some folks would like to renew online and if you don't make it so that they can pay you

[00:10:58] They can't renew yeah so that was my that was kind of what stopped me from being sure if i was going to fly or not yep but then you're like we'll just fly as my guests and so we we buddied together and

[00:11:10] Did it and took care of stuff so we were cool yeah but all the airplanes came home in one piece well i mean there and we took them apart right to put them in the cars but yeah no crashes like nobody crashed today while we were there of course it was just the what three or four

[00:11:24] Of us yeah there was four different ones that are there which surprised me yeah it was a nice day

[00:11:29] I figured there'd be there'd be more nice day after the holiday a little windy yeah but

[00:11:34] Everybody had the day off well i shouldn't say that most everybody had the day off why wouldn't

[00:11:38] You go out for everybody well i said most true i fixed myself you did i checked myself but it was a good day i mean the temperature wasn't too bad it was a little it was hot well it's not as hot as it could be in the and there's a little honeybee sweat bee things weren't out no not bad at all nice yeah because i remember last summer being out there that one day man oh the bees oh my

[00:12:01] Gosh yeah i remember that too that was terrible i think we did an episode about bees

[00:12:04] It was not fun no but today today was a good day i flew the big s-boc and took out the yellow stick and like you said you had the air tractor it was a good day and i was out there with his giant he calls it the splat plane which is a matt chapman cap 580 great flying airplane which

[00:12:25] Then you tell me you were selling all of your big airplanes well see i keep i'm waffling i i can't

[00:12:33] Make up my mind like so our friends have generously offered many many many times to say hey tom fly my fly this big airplane anytime you want to fly it come get it fly it treat it like it was yours and you've heard them so i'm not lying absolutely so i mean i've heard one guy say i feel like this airplane is ours which have added i don't understand that but cool sure yeah cool so that got me to thinking like so i don't know how how our listeners are like any of our listeners that have

[00:13:08] Been listening for a while i mean i'm sorry so i just took a drink of my water and it tastes as though

[00:13:16] It was in a refrigerator with celery that is gross with celery how that just smell gets into everything yeah yeah really so that's okay well i'm glad i'm not drinking that water yeah i don't know if i want to anymore do you want to try this one see if it's any better yeah sure throw it over

[00:13:34] See if that was better nope the same thing really yeah that's bizarre okay anyway that's really strange so anyway you're selling your big planes but yeah so friends have offered to to let me fly their their big airplanes anytime i wanted to and so i got to thinking before i get to that when i go downstairs at my house into my hobby area the clutter is driving me nuts we've been so busy i

[00:14:06] Haven't had time to organize or clean and i usually do that in my area about twice a year usually at the beginning of summer and usually at some point during the winter when i'm in the middle of building something and i just gotta clean everything so i can move on to the next step or whatever so it's the clutter is so bad like when i walk down there i could feel like this giant weight just like on my shoulders like oh i gotta get this done i gotta get this done but before i can do this i gotta clean this off but before i clean this i gotta find a home for that and it's just

[00:14:38] Yeah i hate the fact that i have to move stuff out of the way before i can go on to the next step whatever that is yeah it's an extra barrier to doing something right and i'll be honest when i go downstairs and i look around at the amount of work that's in front of me to do i get somewhat i don't want to say discouraged but like it's like i don't feel like dealing with this right now so i'll just turn right around and go back upstairs and waste time doing something else and that's not productive no so and we've got a big project that that i really really am excited about and i want

[00:15:13] To get started on it but before i can do that here we go what i'm saying so yeah so i have these two big airplanes i have the tri-motors what you're talking about by the way yeah the big project we got coming up so i have this big s-box that flies wonderfully who flew it today and then i have another similar size yak which is also a great flying airplane but they just they i mean i've flown the yak once in the last two years and i've flew the s-box maybe two or three times so i don't

[00:15:43] Fly them that often i always find myself taking the smaller airplanes out because number one they're just super convenient i can throw them in the back of the car and number two they're they're they're low investment like if i lose one of those small ones like we'll build another yeah i'll be sad or whatever but i'll build another one and off we go these bigger ones they're just they're more of an investment of time and money if i can sell the two big ones then that'll free up some space so that i can move stuff around to get my my space organized and then

[00:16:19] They'll just be out of the way i'm i'm afraid i have the the yak is kind of out of the way in the back of the workshop way up high which is probably why i don't fly it because it's difficult to get out yeah and then the s-box sits on the floor now granted it's off to the side underneath my plane rack but i'm just afraid that it's going to get kicked or the dogs are going to go down there and break something or i'm going to drop something on it it would just be better if it was somewhere else so i but i flew it today and now i want to keep it again because it flies so good

[00:16:49] What i mean well it went together easy i mean it's not like it was difficult to put together or take apart right so i wouldn't sell it and it was easy to transport i could transport it and you

[00:17:00] Know this is a 50 cc sized airplane so 33 maybe 30 whatever so it fits in my vehicle so there's no worry there that's usually 25 give or take i thought okay well whatever those works out i think it's a 78 inch wing or maybe a little bit 80 but whatever it is sure so yeah i don't know i mean i keep going back and forth i could get rid of these big airplanes and then fly someone else's big airplanes but then that's a whole other thing i crashed someone else's

[00:17:31] Airplane now i'm on the hook for i would feel like i was on the hook some people don't feel that way but i do if i'm flying somebody's airplane i crash it i feel responsible

[00:17:41] For that so really yeah huh you're looking at me that's fine move on no it's okay i mean go ahead you crashed one mine you never replaced it but that's okay was that the pizza box airplane yeah i missed that one well let's make another one yeah granted it was like a dollar fifty worth of foam

[00:18:00] Let's make another one i mean it did fly okay i should it flew well yeah it was fun but anyway for a big square sheet of foam it was literally that's all it was yeah so anyway yeah i'm i'm thinking about selling the big airplanes but then after today after the good the good day we had it's like well it's really not that big a deal to move it out of the way every time but then as soon as i it's still out in the car because we came from the field straight to here as soon as i get home and i unload it and put it back in its storage place i'll probably be right back where i was but

[00:18:33] Here's the thing first things first finish the horton and then i know then see how you feel yeah and that

[00:18:41] Project boy i i'm at a point in that project where i it's a it's a part of building that i really don't enjoy yeah gear doors i mean gear doors well and it's not even your airplane which

[00:19:00] Makes it there's not the interest in getting it done because it's your airplane or it's

[00:19:05] One that you wanted well and then like you brought up when we were at the field today it's like i feel guilty anytime i work on anything of my own or someone else's because i feel like well i really ought to be working on this horton because i've had it for two or three years and it's been over two years now yeah dave's been great though i mean he's the guy i'm building it for yes he's no pressure whatsoever but i feel bad for him because i've made him wait so long i mean i'd say

[00:19:30] By the end of the decade it probably ought to be done thanks ron your sights low we aim for

[00:19:39] Okay yeah yeah hey speaking of doing things for other people i had one of our listeners do something for me very nice guy very very nice so i'm going to call him out by name okay if that's okay with you his name and i apologize if i mispronounce his last name but james guyton i would say that's what i would say yeah he was kind enough he heard our diesel engine conversation and he sent me one in the mail as opposed to i guess some other way ups maybe yeah but anyway yeah he sent

[00:20:13] Me an engine i said here you go play with this and don't bother sending it back so james thank you very much i did get the engine yeah yeah very generous and it's actually quite an interesting little engine did a little internet digging on it and so yeah it's a it's a it's actually called a silver swallow it's a 2.47 cc which is about a 15.15 cubic inch diesel engine it's pretty small yeah and so these things were made in china from the beginning like

[00:20:49] I guess the the the in from the beginning well so there's a long story with this particular engine or company so back in the mid 60s we're not sure exactly when the production began because they were actually came from china at when the the whole iron curtain bamboo curtain thing was they didn't you didn't know what was going on in china because they it wasn't like it is today so we're not really sure how far back the the design and the

[00:21:27] Production of this engine goes but it was it first appeared in the states in about 1968. okay and they've remained relatively except for some small changes unchanged from the time they were introduced in the states until they quit production in the early 90s wow so 20 plus years of production with minimal change so that's that's very either a good design or a lazy design i don't know which well it could be it could be both but if if you do a youtube search and just silver swallow 2.47 or even

[00:22:01] Silver swallow diesel you'll find people that have run these and they they appear to run okay actually

[00:22:08] Production quality varied like early production engines are like really really nice really well machined and manufactured and then i guess as time goes on the production quality kind of declines a little bit until another company takes over another chinese company after the kind of the curtain fell right in the 88 89 whatever that was and then the production kind of went up when this other company took over and i forget what they were called then they were still called silver swallows but they made them in two sizes there was a 2.47

[00:22:40] And a 1.6 something i think it was oh so this is the bigger of the two yeah wow yeah they made a 0.09 version and then this 0.15 so when when was this one that you just got made so best i could tell from so i'm gonna say like there's an enthusiast out there for everything right like this microphone stand there's somebody out there that has that knows the complete history when it was made and they've got like

[00:23:11] Multiple examples i'm saying like there's an enthusiast out there for everything and i found an enthusiast for these little engines and a collector and he has his own web page and very very detailed history of this particular engine which is pretty neat i thought the guy has taken a lot of his own time and this is hobby and he's made this whole web page it's pretty cool but anyway and i forgot where i was going with that when was it made is what i asked yeah so yeah to get to that

[00:23:45] On this web page this guy did a legacy did all the research and you can date the engines like the early engines they actually had date stamps on the mounting lug well they quit that in about 1970-ish 69 70 so there's no date marks on this engine so it's not a pre 70 engine so then you go to the components of the engine and how they were made so this particular engine has so it's a diesel engine right so it has a compression screw on the top of the head that

[00:24:18] You screw in and out change compression and then to lock that screw in place there's a

[00:24:25] Locking lever right so how that lever is made you can sort of date the engine by that so the one on this engine is stamped steel right so that means it was probably made sometime between the middle 80s and the end of the production which was 93 or 4. prior to that that locking lever was a machined piece of round aluminum bar stock so you can date those engines by roughly 1972-ish or

[00:24:55] Whatever it was to the mid 80s when they went to the stamp steel because it was cheaper so yeah this one was made sometime between the mid 80s and the late 80s because it's not a 90s model because the i think it was the thrust washer was not stamped and not machined so yeah there's a few things you can look at on these little guys to give you a rough estimate rough yeah yeah there's no way

[00:25:25] To get an exact date because they there's no date stamps on them but yeah and that's it's that way for

[00:25:30] Most most engines it is i mean yeah but still it's kind of good range yeah an actual range of when it was

[00:25:37] Yeah so kind of cool because thanks james i appreciate that i can't wait to to give it a whirl i'm going to mix up my own diesel fuel because model engine diesel fuel is not easy to find so what's diesel fuel then so yeah it's not a standard diesel fuel you have to use a model specific

[00:25:56] Okay that's what i meant what kind how are you going to mix i mean like i i know you said you can't just

[00:26:00] Go buy diesel stuff from everything i've read it's a one-to-one mix one-to-one-to-one mix of kerosene castor oil and ether ether yeah yeah ether they use ether in the to assist in the combustion process where do you find that starting fluid just take a can of starting fluid and spray it in a bottle whatever yeah okay that's that's what i've read how most folks have done i thought i read somewhere that somebody said that they had taken a bottle of that and froze it like in the

[00:26:33] Freezer and i guess something about the freezing process takes away the pressure of the toluene or whatever they use as the propellant like because aerosol it's an aerosol on you but yeah and then you could just slice the can open and pour the contents out i've read that too somewhere i'm not sure i want to try that i don't think i would be up for trying that one i'll just go outside and spray it in a jar and try not to get my face in it that stuff evaporates pretty quick doesn't it or am i thinking of something else well i think it does actually so yeah sealed container good luck don't know how that'll be interesting yeah so yeah i'll find some

[00:27:09] Ether i'll get some ether somehow and mix up my own fuel and give it a whirl and then hopefully yeah we'll make a we'll do a video of that so you guys can see what what the heck we're talking about

[00:27:19] So you can see that we don't know what we're doing and oh i'll be honest with you i have

[00:27:23] No clue what i'm doing i'm just reading stuff on the internet and watching youtube videos isn't that

[00:27:28] How you learn these days though honestly oh yeah i mean anytime you need to know how to do something it's straight to the internet yeah everybody is now smart yeah with what they want to be smart with

[00:27:38] Yeah communal knowledge works fine for me yeah it's kind of what we do i've fixed my car many times with stuff i've seen oh absolutely so so that's how i'm gonna mix my fuel and i can't wait to give this thing give this thing a run i'm gonna wear earplugs because apparently these things are pretty loud really yeah no muffler if you've ever i guess that makes sense if you've ever ran one of those little cox 049s imagine that only louder so there you go i can't wait to hear it so i guess

[00:28:11] We'll do it out of my house then since we're in the country yeah we'll definitely do this at your house okay once again yeah thanks thanks james we i appreciate that and i can't wait to to

[00:28:22] Run it and make a video of it for you be fun and for us yes yes all right let's move on all right so a couple other things we're on patreon yep if you like what we do and want to help support us become a patron we have we have been talking back and forth for a long time and we still have no clue by the way so this isn't like an announcement or anything no we've been we've been talking about what we can do to thank our patrons because we we really appreciate

[00:28:56] The support they give us and and and all that kind of stuff and yeah i i always come up blank like i

[00:29:02] Don't know we let's put this in perspective we don't have like thousands and thousands and thousands of patrons oh gosh no but the ones we do have we really really appreciate and like ron's saying we've we've kind of come up against a brick wall as to what we can do to to thank you and how we

[00:29:21] Express that yeah so we've had some come and some go i mean some do it for a month yeah and cancel off some do it for a couple months that's cool whatever that's i think what we'll start doing though and tell me if you're okay with this is every maybe every month we'll just read a list of everybody to say thank you oh yeah i mean is that yeah i think that's fair i don't i don't know

[00:29:41] What else you're giving away our secret though what's our secret well how many patrons we actually have why is that a secret i don't know i mean i don't care if people know we only have like two patrons we have nine oh well see that's better than nothing that's better than two yeah well yeah i

[00:29:58] Think that's a great idea okay so let's do it then well let's do it i will read the names okay so thank you very much to don oh boy shack don shake shack that's how i would pronounce that so first off i'm going to apologize to anybody anybody that we mess up your name don i apologize

[00:30:16] I'm sure i probably mispronounced it but if i did let me know there you go yeah and we'll fix

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[00:32:44] To us and your ideas actually make it to the show rc plane lab.com yep okay anything else i mean yes we

[00:32:50] Have other things but anything else on that nope that was okay that was all i wanted i don't want to talk about asking for money anymore today it does make me uncomfortable because i oh absolutely

[00:33:02] I can't i'm just not that's not how i'm wired nope me neither i'm usually the one like here you go yeah yeah you need lunch here i don't care whatever just don't talk to me again no i'm kidding

[00:33:14] Don't talk to me again okay so no feel free to talk to us reach out to us in all the available

[00:33:21] Forums we have for you oh yeah i didn't mean you guys okay i swear i know that wasn't you well

[00:33:27] Trust do you trust yourself you're ready to move on to trust i am this is this is exciting to me this is exciting is it exciting it's kind of dingy well yeah so trust yeah you want to talk about trust

[00:33:43] Trust okay let's talk about trust do it so i got an email by the way yeah i think everybody everybody did yeah i wasn't saying i was special i was just saying i did receive an email you're special from the ama telling me that the academy of model aeronautics is now an faa approved test administrator for the recreational uas safety test

[00:34:11] Trust since the government likes acronyms oh they love them trust and it's funny because they actually like acronyms so much they use an acronym in their acronym yes so the u in trust stands for uav which actually means this is not the trust test this is the true avest test

[00:34:32] True avest true avest like if yeah if you want to get technical it's the t-r-u-a-v-s-t test

[00:34:39] But we shouldn't use the t for the and we really shouldn't use the t at the end for test no because now the only way to say it is trust you can't say the trust you can't say the trust test

[00:34:53] Because that's right it's like the whole rpm versus rpms thing yeah it's not revolution per minutes rpms it's really yeah ours per yeah anyway so yeah it's a it's a bit of a tongue twister weird

[00:35:11] Whatever like i wonder how long it took them to figure out this is what we're going to call it so we can make it this snazzy trust name like you deal with it all the time i feel like i feel like you're very jaded and negative about this i'm sorry you don't you should the t for the should not be in there the t for test should not be at the end because now you're gonna yeah i already said

[00:35:36] I know the button there are things that set me off now we know that's one of them so we'll get to the

[00:35:45] Test itself in a little bit yeah i thought since we're going to be talking about this new thing they

[00:35:52] Have out with a trust no i'm sorry with trust you can't say detrust yeah i did it before we talk

[00:35:59] About trust see this just sounds like i don't know and thanks faa yeah fa fa yeah thanks fa so anyway before we talk about that okay i thought it would be interesting to kind of talk about what it takes to legally fly a an rc airplane in the united states yep for recreational purposes yes that's the important

[00:36:29] Part that is the important part that is a that is a very important distinction that is the important part yes yeah you look so serious when you said that well it is because well we're gonna get to that

[00:36:41] So all radio controlled airplanes under 55 pounds fly under what faa calls the i don't know what this means but it's 14 cfr part 107 what's this i mean i've heard of part 107 but i don't

[00:36:57] Know what the 14 cfr okay you don't either so okay certified flight rules oh okay those are certified

[00:37:05] Flight rules under the faa code okay so well this one is called the small uas rule yep isn't that interesting why isn't that called the saw or the sir i mean seriously you're really upset the suasser

[00:37:24] Nice i like that one suasser so if you want to fly an airplane or an airplane an r plane an rc airplane right for nothing but recreational purposes yep there is an exception built into part 107 that allows us all to do that and it's called the recreational flyer rule that's for the exception to the swasser the swasser yeah i love it anyway so this i'm gonna read this right off the faa's

[00:37:57] Website the exception for limited operation of unmanned aircraft usc 44809 is the law that describes how when and where you can fly drones for recreational purposes and okay go ahead well you just told me

[00:38:10] To stop and you told me to go no finish that and then i've got because it goes it says it again go

[00:38:15] Ahead following these rules will keep people your drone and our airspace safe there are nine rules according to the faa that we must follow to fly under the recreational drone exception okay and here

[00:38:27] Is where a lot of people including myself get tripped up on on all of this on all this code right drone okay according to the faa a small unmanned aerial system swass a swass is anything that is remotely piloted without a obviously man in it so so it's anything that's small a model airplane a model helicopter a drone is if it's over half a pound a free flight even airplane

[00:39:06] Is a drone according to the faa and i hate that i hate that name well i hate the fact that well i hate the fact because it it generates or it allows confusion because i know when all this first started out when the faa first really kind of started getting involved and and sticking their nose in it they called everything drones and the assumption at least by me was oh well they're talking about drones they're not talking about model airplanes recreational flyers like me or

[00:39:39] Whatever but they are they absolutely are talking about all of us see i came across it a little bit

[00:39:45] Differently because i always like okay so i did assume i didn't i shouldn't say it i did associate drones with quadcopters yeah but i have always called them quadcopters yeah so whenever i want to fly my quadcopter that's what i would call it yeah i wouldn't say i'm going to fly my drone that just wasn't in my lexicon so i think it's probably been easier for me to kind of realize that they're talking about everything and anything yeah no i get that not just quadcopters yeah so but for us old

[00:40:20] Farts out there that have been flying forever not forever but for a long time you were there when the wright brothers did drones that i mean that it's just it was like it's like a separate segment of the hobby there were drones well and then there were model airplanes what i'm

[00:40:37] Saying you worked in the hobby more than i did like true you actually worked at a hobby shop and all that kind of stuff so i think you dealt more with that side of things to where you got the terminology i don't want to say right or wrong but just differently than i would have picked it up i didn't

[00:40:51] Mean to get off on a tangent but anyway no that's okay i dislike the fact that they i mean i understand they had to they had to call everything something so it could be uniform throughout the regulation i get that but man anyway small i'm over it unmanned swasses aerial vehicles swabs swabs where did i get

[00:41:10] The s i don't know systems maybe i don't even know okay so oh no the small uas rule what is that swass what's the uas is that unmanned aerial system okay yeah so not unmanned aerial vehicles or unmanned whatever actually that would anyway it worked yeah okay so rule one rule one is fly only for recreational purposes which means you can fly only to have fun this is the one that's going to trip a lot of people

[00:41:41] Up potentially yes what do you consider flying just to have fun right as long as you're yeah not getting compensated somehow well that's where it gets tricky so whether or not you're getting paid for a flight isn't necessarily what makes you eligible to fly under the recreational flyer exemption so what does that mean once again this is straight off the faa's website oh boy non-recreational purposes include things like taking photos to help sell a property or service roof inspections or taking pictures of a high school football game for the school's website

[00:42:16] That one got me like honestly that one okay you can't do that non-recreational purposes so this means purposes other than recreational which means part 107 not the recreational exception so if you're taking photos to help sell a property i understand i get that sure roof inspections you're making money off of it so potentially somebody's probably going to make inspection money off that okay

[00:42:44] Taking pictures of a high school football game for the high school's website that's that straight off the side well no i got it i mean that's no i have a little issue with that too i mean you're not getting compensated maybe is it is it recognition is that it i have no thank you to ron hole for these great photos don't say that ron did not take any photos during the recording of this episode i didn't but anyway but what i'm saying it could it be could it be the recognition

[00:43:19] Like hey i'm trying to establish a business here's some free photos maybe that's the the line of

[00:43:25] Thinking i don't see i don't understand because like the way i look at it is and maybe it should be depend on who does it but like if you have a drone club at your school oh yeah and you have a school newspaper yeah why couldn't you yeah marry the two yeah yeah our drone guys are going out as part of class to fly and they're going to take pictures of this and put it on the website

[00:43:48] Yeah thanks to our drone club yeah i don't quite i don't either but anyway so continuing

[00:43:56] On directly off goodwill or other non-monetary value can also be considered indirect compensation this would include things like volunteering to use your drone to survey coastlines on behalf of a non-profit organization recreational flight is simply flying for fun or personal enjoyment

[00:44:15] Yeah i'm not sure how you would i mean i get the point they're trying to make like

[00:44:23] Recreational flight as i'm just going to fly around and not do anything with it well yeah they they had

[00:44:29] To they had to define it somehow yeah and these these are clearly lawyers probably coming up with a lot of this trying to come up with every conceivable way that you could potentially blur the line between recreational and non-recreational so i i understand the the detail that that but some of these are just silly all right so that's that's that's rule number one that's one

[00:44:57] Fly only for recreation rule number two this this one makes me smile follow the safety guidelines of an faa recognized community-based organization or cbo okay this is directly off of the faa's website note we have not yet begun officially recognizing cbo's recreational flyers are directed to follow the safety guidelines of existing aeromodeling organizations or use the faa provided safety

[00:45:29] Guidelines so really as long as we follow the guidelines set out by the ama yeah we should be fine even though there is no official recognition of the rules by the faa it's coming is it though when

[00:45:45] Like i mean i i mean i i think they have to i mean that i think they they have to federally recognize the ama as a community-based organization they have to because let's define have to i mean they should

[00:46:00] Well and i'm sure they will though but i don't think there's anything that no they don't have to do

[00:46:04] Anything yeah the government doesn't have to do anything but i mean it just makes sense yeah it's just funny that they say ama has had a safety code which the faa has pretty much modeled their have copied off of off of for 40 plus years yeah and in my opinion the ama has done a really good job of of that face i'm sorry it's gross water has done a really good job of of education and and giving back to the community via school grants and things like i mean so

[00:46:40] It just makes sense to me for the fa to recognize the ama as the community-based organization that

[00:46:47] You could model yourself off of but i would just think that before you made it a rule that you had to follow something hey let's pick one let's let's do it first instead of saying hey you have to follow this by the way we don't know what this is right i mean yep that's the part that kind of makes me

[00:47:03] Makes me chuckle a little bit that's the government for you rule number three number three number three

[00:47:08] Is keep your drone within the visual line of sight or use a visual observer who is co-located which means physically next physically next to you it has to be right there like holding hands and in doesn't say holding hands oh i just assumed well that's what we do

[00:47:27] Are we doing it wrong we must be doing something wrong huh wonder why we just so much anyway

[00:47:32] And in direct i'm gonna start that one over because we got off keep your drone within the visual line of sight or use a visual observer who is co-located physically next to but not holding hands

[00:47:44] And in direct communication with you talking in your ear yeah whispering sweet nothings you're flying beautifully it's weird that we both went there at the same time so it's because we hold hands when we fly so they're they're addressing fpv here yeah that's

[00:48:02] Exactly what they're going after yeah so they are now giving you the ability to fly fpv because technically if i remember right beforehand there was no official recognition that it was okay you're right

[00:48:14] Yeah i don't recall reading that in the first round of this because it was supposed to be always line of sight yeah so now you can have your buddy next to you now you can do fpv as long as your drone is in the visual line of sight of your observer who is co-located physically next to but not holding hands

[00:48:35] Next to you i guess that's just so they can say hey you almost hit that person right i mean i don't

[00:48:41] I don't i don't hey you almost ran into that airplane maybe job for missing it maybe it's if

[00:48:46] If you lose signal or something on the on the goggles they can when you pull the goggles off they

[00:48:52] Can say hey you're right over here so you're not searching the sky i mean it's not a bad idea to have someone spotting for you anyway if you're doing fpv probably well we i mean like really we spot for

[00:49:02] Each other when there's more than two or three people out flying at once anyway the field yes we do it's just nice to have extra eyes and ears out for oh hey somebody's taking off yep somebody's landing stay out of the way just to yep keep the communications open yeah so rule number four take

[00:49:20] It oh give way to and do not interfere with manned aircraft to me that sort of seems like common sense it should be common sense i mean but yeah give way to yield to manned aircraft please they always have the right of way yeah because guess what if you collide it's your actual people on board well

[00:49:45] There's that yeah that's how i look at it like yeah yeah yeah anyway so a little off topic and this this kind of upset me last night so last night was fourth of july we went before the july everybody my gosh that was loud oh i'm sorry happy fourth of july everybody anyway much better so we went up to our our local town's fourth of july fireworks and keep in mind they started at nine o'clock which is that's kind of late oh but i mean it doesn't get dark around here till if it's not dark

[00:50:18] It's kind of boring but anyway so it started at nine o'clock and it was almost dark i mean like it was it was still kind of light out you could see a glow in the sky okay there was a guy flying a powered parachute i'm sorry i don't mean to laugh laugh at the the ridiculousness of it okay like

[00:50:40] He was not parachutes make me laugh for some reason why i don't know they just oh i want one like i want one so bad i think that was so fun like you say powered parachute but in my head

[00:50:50] I hear flying launch air well even so that would be cool right i mean i'd be if i'd be fine with that so anyway so anyway this guy is out flying by the fireworks like not far away from the fireworks like you could hear him plain as day it sounded like he was close plain as day you could he was close sorry and it was just like first off i'm pretty sure you're not supposed to fly those after dusk like i think there's a rule that because there's no lights on it there's nothing like that so you

[00:51:21] Cannot be flying anything right at night and this was night and he was just he kept coming closer and then we would go around and then kept coming closer i mean like you could actually see the guy on

[00:51:33] It he was so close did they hold up the fireworks for this guy no no so they went ahead they just kept gone perfect but i mean how they were actually aiming at him it could have been how irresponsible can you be that's pretty that's pretty well i mean that's pretty reckless honestly i mean can you imagine the view he must have had though well i i'd like to see the video right but still like still you should not be doing that yeah very dangerous if you fly a flying lawn chair please don't fly it near

[00:52:07] Fireworks so are you gonna make fun of me when i get one then yep oh yep are you gonna try it yeah

[00:52:12] No really yeah i just they don't know i i'm dangling from a parachute with an engine strapped to my back i like engines right yeah and that scares me a little bit well it's parachute well number five with a backup parachute right so you just fall gracefully fly at or below 400 feet in controlled airspace which is class b c d and e and only with prior authorization by using the lank or drone zone

[00:52:43] So we'll get to lank and drone zone here in a bit that's another acronym no i get it that's just dingy so i'll touch on class b c d and e airspace here real quick is there a class a there is actually so

[00:53:04] I don't have them memorized but there's a handy little cheat sheet on the drone zone the faa's drone zone website that shows you all the different types of airspace but basically it's all controlled airspace well not all of it there's a a ginormous amount of airspace that is uncontrolled in the united states but pretty much anything obviously that's not uncontrolled is under some sort of a control so when they say fly at or below 400 feet in controlled airspace they may as well be saying fly at or below

[00:53:38] 400 feet period may as well be saying it that is number six by the way i don't know if you've read through here number six oh there it is number six is fly at or below 400 feet in class g or uncontrolled airspace pretty much all they're saying is between which these rules are dingy to have two different ones yeah five and six is just saying hey do this everywhere but if you're in controlled airspace which is b c d e f g h i j k l m p whatever if you're in those you have to have prior authorization right

[00:54:15] To do anything to do anything yeah like which is actually really super easy to do yes there's even even for an old fart like me i i had no trouble at all pre-coordinating our flights today oh you did that why just to go through the motions to see how it was yeah it was super easy yeah i didn't because we're in class g airspace i know but i mean i i went through the motions and like i said it was super easy to do so what did you use drone zone i went to drone zone and did the yeah

[00:54:45] I did the whole it linked you to the like it was super easy like it took five minutes and what so

[00:54:51] Walk i did it while i was charging batteries actually walk us through the steps because i've not

[00:54:54] Done that yet for so yeah i went to the drone zone website and then there's a link to the link and you click on that and then if i remember correctly there's a map and you just basically pick your point on the map and then it tells you whether you need what sort of authorization you need and of course i didn't need really an authorization for where we were flying except the fact that we're close to holmes airport which is technically a controlled airspace so it did

[00:55:24] We're out of holmes airport i mean that's yeah so it's not close to it you're in it well but i mean

[00:55:30] Yeah we're close to the helipad where they do this stuff that's but yes we are at that location so it i clicked on that link on the map and it told me everything i need to do and i just put in recreational flying at club field or something like that and hit submit there's a little submit but and then like instantly it came back approved yeah i'm sure and then i was covered there's nobody watching it tells you probably not you can pick a time or a time slot i think it was i can't

[00:56:04] Remember now it was like i was doing it while i was charging batteries and i was about half paying attention but yeah it was really easy good i mean they guide you through every step yeah and there's like two steps so through both steps yeah and that's honestly that's something i probably will

[00:56:18] Never have to worry about doing because of where i fly right so we don't fly in controlled airspace yeah

[00:56:26] We don't have to pre-coordinate because we are well that's another subject we probably will be eventually an established what was it called fria f-r-i-a i think it was of course it's something that stands for something right so you won't have to pre-coordinate it if that's where you're flying but yeah yeah well i'm glad like if we were gonna go like behind if we're gonna go in some church parking lot that's like not a fria then you would have to do this and it like i said it's so easy

[00:56:53] Yeah i would not fly out of a church parking lot but that's just me anyway not pointing fingers nope

[00:57:01] So yeah and that's like you said pretty simple i've not done that before but so for for the rule number six about the uncontrolled airspace it also says flying drones in certain airspace is not allowed classes of airspace and flying restrictions can be found on our before you fly app or the uas facility maps web page and you can that you can also link all that stuff from the drones on website yeah so that before you fly which okay here we go before is b-e-f-o-r-e

[00:57:33] Right i mean u is y-o-u but the the app is the letter b that's a loud drink the app is the letter b the number four the letter u and then clever it's clever come on no it's not before you fly but like for some reason when i look at it i see blue fly i don't understand why that's just how my brain works but anyway so the before you see blue fly yeah when i just glance at it really quick

[00:58:04] On here huh maybe i'm okay i don't know i need i need new glasses i know that for sure yeah we had

[00:58:12] That conversation earlier but anyway so the before you fly app i i did go through that on the on the not through the app i haven't downloaded it but through the computer web page just the website they have yeah it's actually pretty cool like i got lost just clicking around and seeing like everything that was around where controlled airspace was why you couldn't fly there yeah something that surprised me there is not a no-fly zone set up around the the capital like the state capital here but there is around lincoln's home really yeah there's a big red circle over there

[00:58:45] People making money off of the abe lincoln home with their drones i guess not but you'd think like

[00:58:51] The state capital you would think would have that also but no there's nothing on there anyway let's move on ah number seven here we are take trust the the recreational uas safety test and carry proof of test passage so we both took that rolling my eyes i'm sorry we both took this we did i'm gonna be honest when i took it i didn't know i was actually taking a test like i thought it was like the pre-study

[00:59:21] Guide thing like how normally they go over it and then at the end there's questions on yeah here's the test we're starting now yeah so i didn't read everything before i took the test like i didn't read about it i didn't know what i was doing i was just the first time i went to do it i was watching tv checked my email ended up going through i saw the email come through on and stuff and i was just clicking through links and just halfway paying attention to it and so it's asking these questions and i'm answering the questions and then it gets to the

[00:59:55] Next thing where it starts a whole bunch of text and then i just ignored that and went through and got to the question well i got almost to the end and then the the next time like the next time i tried to go to a web page like the next time when i when i click next is what i'm trying to say you threw me off because you were looking at your watch like we're taking too long oh no i was just seeing what time it was okay but anyway so when i clicked to go to the next page it aired out and so i lost everything i was like well whatever and i just did you just oh my goodness i know the feeling because

[01:00:29] The same thing happened to me more than once oh really yeah yeah i actually go ahead no i was gonna say it only happened to me once so it was like three times it timed out on me that's annoying yeah i thought maybe i said that because it was frustrating i thought maybe it was just because i was on my

[01:00:46] Phone oh okay well so i i got on our desktop computer and i i redid it the next day and stuff and then i knew what was going on well i wouldn't even say that because it's so simple it is simple took it it was easy yeah printed out my little thing i got it printed and got it laminated now so

[01:01:05] It's official wow i know it's so nice went all out well i don't want to have to take the test

[01:01:10] Again if i lose it well so let's talk about this test okay simple questions that you cannot i repeat you cannot fail i mean it's it's it's almost pointless yeah yep okay well i'm glad we talked about that then

[01:01:29] Thank you good conversation you're right you can't it i don't i can't imagine a scenario where you would fail this test no no when i say you can't fail it i mean i didn't actually try

[01:01:45] To fail it no no what i'm saying is when i say you can't fail it i'm saying they don't let you fail it you fit you i'm not saying you you're not smart enough to pass the test no i get i'm saying nobody can actually fail it so if you take it and you choose the wrong answer they tell you the right answer oh and then move on and then i think you have to you might have to choose that right answer

[01:02:08] When it comes back up so typical of government organizations they they their focus is getting the information out there they don't care whether you retain or not they're they're they're satisfying a requirement in a regulation somewhere to get the information out there and then test people on it and show that they're tracking whatever so if something happens yeah so i've been in government service for a long time and this is this is nothing new like lots of

[01:02:39] The computer-based testing that i have to do at work same thing you you can't you can't not pass it because like you said you you can choose the wrong answer but then it'll it'll correct your answer for you and tell you what the correct answer is and then there's a next button you click next and it takes you to the next part of the training that that's nothing like that's government

[01:03:02] Well yeah it was nervous when i started like when i knew it was like a test i can't fail this no no i really can't fail it so it turns out so don't worry about it yeah don't

[01:03:14] Worry about taking a test if you i mean take the test well you have to you have to you have to take the test but you can't you can't fail it no and it's really i mean even if you've only been casually paying attention to the faa stuff and ama's involvement and and you get your ama magazine and you maybe just skim through the the faa stuff even if you've only just barely touched the subject you're not going to have any problems with the test no it's all the the questions are very very

[01:03:46] Basic yeah basic knowledge you'll be good and probably you already know the answers to it if you've like i said if you've even just been a casual observer to the to the faa stuff you'll you'll do just fine yeah it's easy so don't sweat it we are now we've passed yeah we passed i didn't go through the trouble of laminating mine though i should have done that well still not too late i

[01:04:07] Would hope you have it well i didn't print it i mean i just saved it to my to my home screen and i sent myself a pdf on my phone look at you yeah yeah i printed mine nice probably shouldn't have

[01:04:19] But whatever well i like me i like tangible i like i know which is weird because

[01:04:24] I'm usually the guy that just i want digital i don't want to deal with it physically yeah that is

[01:04:28] Weird it's like we switched roles or something yeah yeah so i didn't want another thing in my wallet what well to make it thicker i just cleaned out my wallet so now i have room so i've got to fill

[01:04:41] It back up wrap in it okay moving on yes the test that no that was that that was the test that was the test trust not the test but trust trust that was the trust test so i'm gonna say from now on just to keep people off it won't it won't bother me oh well it will me so maybe i shouldn't okay number eight rule number eight have a current registration comma mark when yeah that's sorry i read that wrong have a current registration mark your drones on the outside with the registration

[01:05:15] Number and carry proof of registration registration with you i will admit i don't carry proof of

[01:05:23] Registration i don't either and i have not sent myself a pdf of the printout of the page where i've

[01:05:29] Registered all of my airplanes yeah but i like honestly i figured for that i can get to that anytime i want just by signing into the site on my phone so i have access to it that's kind of how i

[01:05:42] Figure that as well but i mean really i have to register every single airplane i fly no you don't on the recreational flyer rule well then why do they allow you to

[01:05:58] Well because if you're flying for part 107 yes you have to register each one yes right yes if you're flying under the recreational rule yep you get one faa number one faa number yes and that goes on every

[01:06:14] Single airplane you have yeah but you can also under the recreational flyer umbrella you can also register each one of your drones air quotes here drones try it it will let you list 500 of them i'm sure it'll let you because then it's five bucks a piece no no charge you just put them in there one at a time

[01:06:40] I did it didn't charge me anything it's and it's under my recreational flyer umbrella well then why do you do it just to if you i don't mean just because it looked fun to put all my airplanes on on the one screen there is like kind of like a test like could i name every airplane i owned oh absolutely not but i could yeah it it will allow you to register every single one of yours under the recreational flyer umbrella which maybe it was a glitch in the system i don't know but yeah it will i was talking to

[01:07:09] Somebody at the at the field the other day when i was there and they asked and what kind of airplanes do you have my mind just went blank i was like i i am i've got a few at home i don't know what they are i mean they thought about it you would you would be able to name them but then i feel like an idiot just in that well hold on let me get back to you hold on give me a minute give me a minute to think

[01:07:34] About and sort in my brain the number sheer number of the ones yeah there's not that many i just can't

[01:07:40] Pick out any of them i mean like i'm i'm not that smart and i'm not that smart when it comes to that

[01:07:46] Kind of stuff well and when somebody says how many airplanes do you have okay do i count the ones that are flyable or do i count the ones that are in various states of disrepair in my basement that's a vastly different number it's a whole other subject do i count other people's that are i'm

[01:08:03] Supposed to be finishing here before i start on another project thanks you're welcome i'm glad

[01:08:08] You picked up on that all right rule nine last rule do not do not operate your drone in a dangerous manner i'm gonna stop right there that's a that's a bit subjective don't you think it is some people would consider 3d dangerous maneuvers or dangerous manner really who some well some people might like i mean you're hovering hovering an airplane right over the runway which you're not supposed to do and doing the flips and the waterfalls and the blenders and whatever all these

[01:08:46] 3d terms are called and if you're not like in the hobby and not familiar with that saying that sort of thing the plane would look somewhat out of control would it not but that doesn't mean it's

[01:09:00] Dangerous it does it did you say it does it i did does it oh no i mean what i don't even know what

[01:09:11] I was asking or answering anymore could that be considered a dangerous manner i think so

[01:09:17] No i don't necessarily think so and here's why okay what's the danger to spectators if you're far enough away well then it's not dangerous right and you're not supposed to do it you're not supposed to fly over crowds you're not supposed to do any of that stuff yeah

[01:09:35] So what i mean i guess i'm just i'm confused so i've been a i've been at the field before and watching guys do 3d which great i'm i wish i could i wish i could as well i'm not a 3d pilot and the skill it takes to do that but it's wonderful you almost crashed your airplane today by the way that

[01:09:54] Reminds me you said 3d because you ran out of elevator flying upside down i did anyway sorry

[01:09:59] Anyway yeah we can talk about that if you want make fun of me well you didn't so yeah the 3d i mean i know when i've been to fly-ins when they've had semi-professional or professional guys come into our fly-in and do their 3d shows it's impressive oh absolutely but at times i mean it looks like the thing is out of control and even if they're doing it out over the cornfield at certain times the airplane is pointing at the crowd before it does some weird violent elevator flip whatever and it looks and it

[01:10:33] Could be especially to somebody who's not familiar with the with with the style of flying could probably be somewhat i don't want to say scared but like oh this thing's coming oh okay now it's going away from me again oh it's coming out oh it's going away it could be considered dangerous because if if that airplane goes out of control or loses signal whatever when it's pointing i mean if it goes out of control it's going right at the crowd i mean i don't know i i feel like this this is

[01:11:04] It could be worded differently oh it could be worded much better yeah i agree that's really what i'm getting at but i guess just because it scares somebody doesn't mean it's dangerous

[01:11:17] That's true just because you're they're not mutually exclusive exclusive right yeah no you're right i just i guess what i'm getting at is this rule nine i feel like could be reworded

[01:11:30] Better but have you read the examples on there yet well yeah because they don't really help too much because it's simple stuff that we should all know right so for example you want to take it sure how

[01:11:43] About it number one do not interfere with emergency response or law enforcement activities

[01:11:48] Well duh but here's my thing too what do you consider interfering like that's the other problem i have like they almost need to have a big okay so we had a plane crash not too far from here within the last year one of the guys i know is is on the fire department he said there was a couple drones actually maybe it was just one doesn't matter there was a drone out flying way too close to them to where it was actually getting in their way when they were trying to really put the fire out

[01:12:21] And all that kind of stuff yeah that's just irresponsible well that is but what makes it okay if you're 100 feet away if you're only 50 feet like what what considers interference i guess is what once again kind of leaves it up to interpretation yeah and i don't like that so there should be some sort of exclusion zone i think yeah i think you're right yeah like a like a bubble and i i don't know if i made this up or if i was dreaming but i thought i read something or heard something about somebody had

[01:12:57] Come up with some sort of like jammer or something like that that will like take drones down out of the air oh really once again it could be completely wrong on that or maybe that was something i wanted i would have no problem with that if it was flying over like something along those lines like take it down yeah spray with your water hose do whatever you want get it out of the way yeah no and then turn that person into the faa right because i think that is yeah well it's disrespectful

[01:13:24] What is yeah people died on that so yeah you're right disrespectful i think okay number two here under the do not operate your drone in a dangerous manner the second example is do not fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol i mean i get that yeah i'd probably go along with that i mean i'll be honest many years ago when we were a little more relaxed society

[01:13:55] Occasionally there would be adult beverages at the field in a cooler that you would at the end of the day's flying maybe have one with the your fellow flyers and talk about the day's activities but as long as you weren't flying while you were doing that no one ever had any trouble so continue that yeah just don't fly while you're under the influence what's like what are they considered under the influence though i would imagine 0.08 yeah which is what was here so

[01:14:25] Yeah it's not saying no drinking right it's okay i gotcha yeah kind of like they're probably just going to be using the same thing as cars i would imagine yeah if you're under that you're okay which

[01:14:37] I don't know yeah oh yeah that's the two examples they give and you're right that doesn't do much to clear up but like i said i i feel like that rule nine could be reworded i don't like the way it's written well i think there's a lot of this that needs some well it's still early need some power i mean this is still we're still sort of just kind of trying to feel things out you

[01:15:00] Know that everybody's trying to get in there and early yes but these are rules we have to follow yeah so before you make it a rule you have to follow let's let's polish it a little bit and let's get that

[01:15:11] Yeah hammered out yeah so if you would like more information on that you can read the advisory circular 91-57b and you can find that about anywhere you could also google search it and it'll pop right up under the faa stuff and there's a lot of actually a lot of good information there especially regarding airspace and stuff like that so yeah it's very interesting like i i learned a

[01:15:33] Little bit of stuff on that before you fly app which is named terribly but anyway like i said it's it's this thing about acronyms you have no idea but no it's fun just kind of play around on it and just see what's what's around and yeah kind of get more of an idea i guess on the airspace

[01:15:52] That's around for all the for all the complaints i have i mean it's still it could be so much worse oh yeah and they still haven't really addressed the remote id really yet but that i i really don't think that's going to be as big a deal as initially it was so yeah i don't either i still feel pretty good i still feel like we're in a pretty good place and for the most part

[01:16:17] Where we fly we're going to continue to fly be any differences i don't expect anything to change yep but right on anything else anything else i think we board our listeners with faa talk for enough this episode well like i said though i thought it was interesting where we're at now yeah with the rules and regulations so hey and you guys out there

[01:16:40] Listening take the test or i'm sorry take trust right yeah take take trust take not that trust or don't take the trust test no you can't just go take trust and let us give us your feedback see what i'd love to hear what you guys thought of it i thought it was super easy but like ron i was not exactly sure that i was actually taking trust when i was taking trust that just sounds so weird thank you i appreciate that so but yeah that's all i was going to say

[01:17:16] That one more thing so the ama does the test there's also there's a list of i don't remember if it was 10 or 11 other sites oh the administrators that can you can actually get trust take the test on take trust on whatever so i did go through a couple other ones oh you did just to kind of is it the same no oh it's different the the stuff is presented differently and the ones i don't remember the other two i went one was the the boy scouts i know of america or something like

[01:17:48] That was one of the links i clicked i went through and there were there was one other i looked at the ama one i think is between those three that i saw the easiest one to do really it's like laid out

[01:17:59] The best oh and here's here's a a little tidbit there was some concern initially when when the fa first announced that they were going to do a test of some kind yeah that there would be they would charge the people these places would charge you for it or whatever it's free yeah like the trust doesn't cost you anything trust does not cost a thing like you don't even have to i think even if you want to take trust on the ama website i don't even think you have to be an ama member because i

[01:18:30] Don't recall having to log in to take the no i didn't have to and it's funny because i mean it's so laid back yeah you don't you don't enter any information nope like they don't get a name they don't get any of that stuff they do get a name at the end but hold on sorry they don't get a name they don't get any of your information until the end after you pass it right and then all you do is put your name on there yeah and then it gives you the little and you don't even have to put your name if you don't

[01:18:57] Want to no john do someone else's name yeah i'm not saying you should take the test for someone else why would you if they're nervous or whatever i'm just saying you put a name in at the end of the test or let no anyway i'm just saying i can't believe you just said that what you just i'm just saying at the end of the test you put a name in you put your name in well play by the rules you can put your name in play by the rules it doesn't say you can't put someone else's name in all right i'm done maybe no

[01:19:27] One else has a maybe maybe someone needs to take trust and maybe they don't own a computer maybe they're not online maybe they're not plugged in but they need to take trust so they have their buddy login and then their buddy types in their name for them that's what i was talking about

[01:19:44] What do you think i was talking about why wouldn't they just sit at the computer and do it themselves

[01:19:48] At their buddy's house maybe they maybe they don't have fingers and they can't type or something

[01:19:52] Oh you are okay i'm done anything else no that's all i got okay good all right until next time thank you for listening i'm ron i'm tom good night good night really we hope you enjoyed this episode of

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