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[0:00] Let me paint you a picture. Let me use my words like an artist uses their brush to tell you my story. Close your eyes and use your imagination to come with me to see how my day unfolded. It was a gorgeous Saturday morning. There was a slight breeze coming in from the west. The sun felt so nice it was like being covered by a warm blanket. The birds were singing, the deer were frolicking at the end of the runway. The corn, ever so slightly swaying as the wind blew through its tassels.
[0:34] There was a slight dew on the blades of grass that hadn't disappeared from the night before. It was a day made for flying, a day made for friends to get together and share their love of radio controlled airplanes and that's what it was supposed to be but things don't always go according to plan as i assembled my beautiful red white and blue seagull extra 300l the one that i just got a week before i had no idea it would be the last time i would bolt those wings on or the last time i would
[1:01] screw the canopy on that fuselage after flying another airplane and watching some of the other guys at the field get some flights under their belt, it was time to get the old extra ready for its first flight under new ownership. A remade in of sorts. After it was fueled up, I flipped the propeller that was bolted to the front of that beautiful black and gold Sato Golden Knight, the first Sato I had ever bought. That engine sprung to life, making all the glorious audible tones
[1:24] that only a four-stroke can give, ready to do what it was made to do. As I sat the plane on the ground, I went over my pre-flight checklist. Aileron, check. Elevator, check. Rudder, check. I was ready. It was ready. Time to raise the throttle and fly. Slowly I started my rollout, and before before I knew it the airplane was airborne, jumping into the sky, happy to be free from the constraints of the ground.
[1:50] Several clicks on the elevator got it trimmed so it would fly straight and true, hands off. It was beautiful in the air. Now I was ready to see how it would land. As I rolled her to turn for my final approach, the elevator stopped working and I couldn't bring her around to land. She went down somewhere in the corn. And still this day that's where she is every airplane has an expiration date and hers was way too soon wow I mean wow you should you should audition for audiobooks
[2:23] and read books to people oh yeah i don't think that was amazing was that a little little too dramatic well i mean it's a pretty good it's a pretty good synapses of of what happened it was a sucky day it was crashing sucks it does it really does and what is that day that day because you didn't get it back. Not yet. At least not yet. No. Well, anyway. So six trips, by the way, that weekend. Six trips to the field. Yeah. That's a lot of time in the car back and forth to the field.
[2:56] Four hours. Yeah. Four hours drive time back and forth to the field. But that was, okay, so let's see. That was two weekends ago. I went Friday, one trip Friday because, it's late. You can only do one trip in a day when it's that late. Three trips to the field Saturday, two trips on Sunday. One early Sunday. Yeah, very early. Like we were there at 7. Which is really, really early for you. Well, no, that's, I i'm for a weekend yeah but like
[3:27] for work and stuff no but yeah 7am that's my day to sleep in yeah 7am sunday we're out the field looking for stuff and what's really sad is well i mean there's a lot of sad about the story but you i mean if we don't get this thing back, we may never know really what happened. And a crash like that that you can't learn something from is really no good at all. We'll get to that in a little bit. Let's do a few things first.
[3:58] First off, just a reminder, we haven't hit up our website in quite a while. That's true, we haven't. Head over there, rcplanelab.com, to learn more about Tom and me. You can also find out how to contact us. You can- There's lots of ways to contact us. Do you remember them all? Well, I'll try. So you can email us. That's ron at rcplanelab.com or tom at rcplanelab.com. You can call at our phone number there that's listed on the website and leave a text or a voicemail. That's 818-351-9846.
[4:31] I remember that one. Thank you. I can never remember the number, but you can call and leave a voicemail. You can also hit us up on the website. You can contact us. There's a contact us form on the website. You can also go to our forums that you built for us that we haven't been real active on, but you can also… Yeah, that's kind of dying off a little bit. You can hit us up there too. Let's see, how else can we… I think you can send a text to somewhere.
[4:58] Yeah, you can text the phone number. So there you go. What else? A missing one, I feel like. If you want to send us mail. Oh, that's right. We have a PO box. That's right. And that's all. The address is on the website too. So head over to the website. You can sign up to be a patron and we'll actually be thanking our patrons later on in this episode. You can donate to us through PayPal if you don't like Patreon. I know there are some
[5:25] people that have issues with patreon and i still don't know for whatever reason i don't know the story behind it i don't either i might not want to there's links to clothing and stuff if you want rc plane lab swag listener survey you can sign up to be a guest which we promise will be coming up yes i want to say before the end of the year. I think we can make that happen. But I don't know time frame exactly. Well, it still depends on how the internet, how the internet gets going.
[5:50] It's actually kind of funny that you mentioned that. So I got an email. That's one thing I really like about this, the Starlink internet stuff. You can hear my dog in the background, sorry. But anyway, one of the things I like about the Starlink is they send you emails every now and then letting what they have changed and how they're making it better and what their next steps are. We are really close, I think, to having uninterrupted internet. Sweet.
[6:13] With the things they're doing, with things they've done, our downtime has just almost gone to zero. Not quite, but almost there. That's awesome. We're getting close. Not quite, but almost there. That's awesome. We're getting close. Yep. Once we get through some of the hurdles of the next couple months with schedules and stuff, I think we should be able to kind of hit that up. But definitely, definitely by the end of the year. That's awesome. Let's see.
[6:36] That'll be fun, actually. There's links to our forums that, yeah, we don't do too much on anymore. But one of these days, we'll get back on there. Duelist Build Logs. Listener Submitted Airplane Pictures. on anymore but one of these days we'll we'll get back on there dualist build logs listeners submitted airplane pictures if you guys have pictures you want us to put online send me the
[6:50] the pictures and i'll put them on our website airplane we love it can i do i have to bleep that is that it's not a bad word okay i mean it's not like a fine we'll call it something else but yeah airplane pictures we love them send them to us via email and ron will be happy to put them on the website absolutely you can sign up to our to be on our email list we don't spam we don't send many emails really i promise we don't spam
[7:16] if there's ever anything exciting we want everybody to know it's a quick way to to get the word out i would say if we're anything we're really poor at communicating rather than over we are terrible at communicating but we try we will we constantly strive in our defense you have a toddler well she's not quite a toddler anymore but you have that and i have a really like a busy job lately so yeah i mean we have reasons for not being well yeah communicators
[7:42] i mean this is we're trying bottom line line is, yeah, we don't communicate. We're still making time for what we like. We do. That's what you got to do. Oh, boy. What else? Articles. There's articles on there. There's picking a beginner RC airplane. There's a page on resizing plans, page on pre-flight checks. Yes. Article on RC motors, the electric motors for RC airplanes. A really good article on RC motors the electric motors for our
[8:05] Sierra plane really good article thank you that was followed up with a really great episode art out oh that yeah that was pretty much just my show notes that just well it was awesome there's an article on propellers and I think links to our YouTube stuff so I don't know what else is on there right offhand if you haven't been there for a while head on over there's a lot of good stuff on there and go poke around take a look that's once
[8:28] again rcplanelab.com so yeah zoe says go check it out hold on i gotta go put her away hold on all right and we're back sorry about that looks like she needed to be fed she was hungry yeah so she's put away now. We're good. Yeah, the website, go poke around. There's a lot of stuff there. It's actually grown quite a bit since the inception of the podcast.
[8:52] It has. I didn't realize how much was on there until I was kind of thinking about, well, if we tell people about it, what can we tell them to do? What's the point of going there? It's like, there's a lot on there. So, I'm proud of us. Look at us go. us go yeah so let's talk about friday night friday night number one trip number one out to the field so i like i said six trips over that weekend friday night was a lot of gas my car is electric
[9:19] oh that's right so it didn't cost me hardly anything at all. As my airplanes are now, so are my cars. So I finally went all electric. But anyway, so Friday night, went out to the field for trip number one, flew the air tractor again. Okay. And I tell you what, I finally read the directions on how to bind it without having safe mode enabled. Right. When in doubt. Read the manual. There you go. Yeah, which I don't like doing that.
[9:49] But anyway, it's a lot more fun to fly when safe mode is off. Excellent. That's good news. And, can't be turned on. Like, I just went ahead and rebinded it, rebounded it, redid it, reconnected it. What is it, rebounded it? I don't know. What's the re version of that? I don't know. What is the re-version of that? I don't know. So I binded it again. Binded? Bound it? What did I do? Well, you paired it to your transmitter again. For the second time. There you go.
[10:15] And this time I did it to where safe was not even an option. So you can do it, like I said, where you have a switch set up. But for some reason that didn't work for me, even though I thought I had it set. Right. So, yeah, it's not I said, where you have a switch set up. But for some reason, that didn't work for me, even though I thought I had it set. Right. So, yeah, it's not an option now. It's fine. Yeah.
[10:29] I still kind of wish AS3X was able to be turned off, but beggars can't be choosers. Can you vary the gain on it, like a gyro, like most gyros you can? I don't think so. But once again, I might have to check the manual. When in doubt. I know you can't turn it off. Okay, so I might have to check the manual. When in doubt. I know you can't turn it off. Okay, so you can't turn it off completely. Yeah. I mean, you may be able to adjust the sensitivity of it, maybe. Possible.
[10:54] I know for safe, there's like different levels you could set up to where there's like a high safe, a low safe, and no safe. And I just, I don't want any of that. But anyway, so it flies a lot better. I'm actually kind of happy with that airplane now. Good. I ended up going, so the manual actually lists a wide range of batteries that you can put in that from, I think the lowest is a 3S 2200 milliamp hour up to a 4S 3200. Wow. So I threw, I have. That's a lot of battery. What was it?
[11:22] Wow. That's a lot of battery. What was it? I have three S2700 packs, and I took those just to kind of see how it would fly on that. Flew great. It was a lot of fun. Good. I wasn't ready to go. I wasn't ready to stop flying by the time I was done with those batteries. So you wish you had more batteries. So I wish I had more batteries. However, I didn't have a chance to take the other airplane with me that night that I wanted to just because, I knew I wanted to do some recording.
[11:52] We actually put the video of that flight or of those flights on YouTube. I knew I wanted to do some recording, which took up more time. So I was not going to have the time to fly this other airplane. But I did get one battery charged, and it was in my battery box when I took it out. It was a 4s 5200 milliamp hour big big battery that's a little bit bigger than the maximum recommended battery for that
[12:11] airplane it is however i tell you what so i was kind of looking at it i was like i wonder if this will fit like physically it looks like it's close okay the way the air tractor is is it it's foam right so it's not like a. So it's not like a real airplane. But anyway. It's a real airplane. It's just not a Balsa airplane. It's not our favorite. So there was room in there where the battery goes to actually slide it forward far enough
[12:37] and it was actually able to fit in the battery holder. So I was like, cool. I wonder if I can get the CG right. I got the CG right and it actually flew very good on a battery that size. Flew for a long time. I think I was probably up for about 20 minutes on that battery. 5,200 milliamp worth. That's pretty impressive. So I wasn't like balls out flying as fast as I could the whole time. It was just a nice, maybe I shouldn't say that either.
[13:05] I'm sorry, but I didn't look in your face. I wasn't flying fast. Pedal to the metal. Pedal to the metal. There you go. That's probably more appropriate. But anyway, so I wasn't flying full throttle to where I was draining the battery very fast the whole time. But what was nice is there was more power, obviously, with the 4S than there was with the 3s it gave you the extra voltage the extra rpm it did fly faster when you wanted it to and
[13:29] it did have the extra power to kind of fling it around more if you will without it like a crop tester i mean did you make passes and do the whole cool well for me the best part of flying airplanes is the takeoff and landings yeah like i 3d stuff is cool that's great i'm not no i'm not talking about 3d stuff i'm just saying like did you did you like make passes over the runway and then pull up and then wing over like a like a yeah so what i was saying
[13:56] is 3d stuff is cool that's great i can't do it but that's not like the type of flying that i would love to know how to do i love the crop duster type flying that you're talking about where it's just low passes, back and forth, up and down. So it's great for that. On the 3S, it flew very scale-like. It didn't have all the extra power to, pull a straight vertical or anything like that, where the 4S was a lot better for power.
[14:26] But either one flew fine, and the 4S didn't add too much weight. So I was kind of happy with that. That's awesome. So that was Friday night. Okay. Like I said, I went through quite a few batteries. My wife and daughter came out with me. So Friday night, you only took out the air tractor. Yeah, that was the only one I had time to get ready. Gotcha. Like I said, Crystal and Piper came out with me, and Piper didn't like the bees. Yeah, they're bad. The sweat bees were out a little bit.
[14:52] Not as bad as they have been. Like last year, it was really bad. This Friday wasn't bad. They were really bad Sunday. Well, we're getting to that. Yeah, but Friday night, they weren't all that bad. Friday night, they were really nice. But she was kind of getting scared because she thought they were going to bite her and all that stuff. So she sat in the car most of the time. But whatever. It's okay. Yeah. At least she was out there with you. Sort of. She was ready to go.
[15:16] She doesn't like loud airplanes. Oh, really? Yeah. That's like a new thing of hers now. Well, she's not liked loud noises for a while i've noticed well she likes to be loud herself well she's a little girl yeah so they yeah they can be loud but i noticed that she she's always like covering hers when we're being noisy up in the kitchen or whatever so she's yeah anyway she's a cutie but so she doesn't like the gas airplanes and all that kind of stuff.
[15:45] And I told her this one's not as loud because it's electric. You can barely hear it. So she was out for a couple flights, but like I said, the bees got to the point where they were just bugging her too much and she was kind of getting freaked out. Bugging her. Oh, I didn't even mean to do that one. Wow. Anyway, so Saturday rolls around. I got everything packed up on saturday and fateful day this is this is the bad day the day that will forever be remembered it will live in i'm not
[16:13] going to say infamy but bad memory so anyway i got everything packed up saturday morning
[16:21] trying to think i think it was a little. Charged the receiver pack the night before. Yeah, I charged and recharged the 4S battery and the other one. For the air tractor. No, for the, I took my eFlight Advance out that day, which that's a fun little airplane. I haven't flown that for a couple years. It's a good flying airplane. It's just so simple. I mean, like, it's another one of those, it flies great.
[16:47] I think that was built, gosh, I want to say about 10 years ago, probably, is when eFlight had that out. That's about right. That was back, they don't even make. I don't think they make that one anymore. Yeah, I don't think they make that one anymore. Do they make Balsa planes anymore? Yeah, I think they do. Like, everything I see eFlight is all foam now. make that one anymore do they make balsa planes anymore yeah i think they do like everything
[17:05] i see e-flight is all foam now well i don't know i could be wrong i thought they did i thought they made a couple of balls someone still like like the shoes well that might not be e-flight though it might be a hangar nine yeah yeah i don't know but anyway that was if they don't make him anymore back when they made real airplanes
[17:31] out of balsa but it was so it was an r from way back when i bought it used and stuff and that's i used the four cell i used to fly that on a three cell five thousand i looked at the electronics and stuff because now i have the four cells to make sure it would take it no problem no problem and that flies a little better on a four cell too when you have a little bit more power it's a little bit more fun more fun most of the time to do
[17:50] so i got a couple flights on that and then watched a couple of the other guys out there fly their stuff and got the extra out and put together i didn't have my fuel i didn't bring anything with me the guy i bought it off of said he'd have everything out there and he'd give me a half gallon of fuel and stuff to kind of get me going on i thought so too since first nitro again pretty much so we got all that together and yeah so the story pretty
[18:15] much took it off and and you did do a pre-flight i did i checked everything out and and And you did do a pre-flight. I did. I checked everything out. And so let's back up a couple days. That previous week, I had gone over everything on it. I mean, I ended up… Yeah, because you found the control horn that was just out of the control surface. Pulled out. Yeah. And I did talk to the guy, and he said he did run sandpaper over it. But I don't think he used a very gritty sandpaper
[18:48] because I couldn't feel it. I mean, it felt pretty smooth when I was looking at it. So anyway, I roughed it up with 60 grit sandpaper and then I drilled a hole through it so it actually had something to hold on to. I cleaned out the area in the elevator and got that all glued back together with 30 minute epoxy and we were golden did you did you check all the other ones yeah i knocked it with my hand a few times just
[19:12] kind of see if i could knock it loose just see if it would break free and kind of wiggle them back and forth and they felt really solid okay the only thing that when i was doing it kind of made me and once again gave you pause looking back everything tells me i should have done stuff differently does that make sense like hindsight is obviously always 20 20. so when i i did a dry fit on it first and the the elevator control horn fits a certain way in order
[19:48] for it to bottom out sit flat and just work the way it's supposed to right and be at the right angle and all that kind of stuff so when i had that sitting the correct way the elevator halves because they're controlled with the way it's set up is it's controlled with a different push push rod yeah they're not joined with a joiner wire or something like that right so there's two control horns so the elevator halves were off by probably 15 ish degrees
[20:19] really i just figured and once again i didn't even think to look really hard at the other one. I mean, it looked like it was sitting right, but there was so much epoxy around it, it was kind of hard to tell exactly how it was supposed to be without breaking it off to see if it was sitting right. Yeah, you're talking about the control horn. Control horn, yeah, sorry. Yep. So, this one that I was putting in, I had to adjust the clevis on the control horn after i had it glued in
[20:48] because it was so far off yeah now looking back the way this was the way this is set up is is not a way i'm a fan of and i probably would if i had an airplane again that came to me this way would redo it so there was one control wire one push rod that went from one elevator half all the way to the servo it had a very nice like clevis like locking clevis that connected to the
[21:18] elevator right so that wasn't going anywhere the The other end, however, was just bare wire going through a quick connect. the easy connectors that we have talked about before about, how they can move and get messed up. So that, looking back on it, is I'm guessing what was off to make me lose elevator. Like, I didn't even think to check and see if that was still tight with a screwdriver or anything like that before I flew it.
[21:50] You mean lose the alignment of the two elevators? No. Oh. That one piece, the one push rod that goes back to the elevator that goes to the servo. Now, on that rod, there is a, it almost looks like a wheel collar. Yes. That has another rod that goes into it that goes to the other half of the elevator. Yes. I don't remember which one was the straight one to the servo. I don't know if that was the side that broke off or if it was the slave side, I guess.
[22:24] What do you call that? Yeah. It would be like a slave. It would be like a slave. Like a master and a slave. Yeah. know if that was the side that broke off or if it was the slave side i guess you want to what what do you call that yeah it would be like a slave would be like a slave and like a master yeah so go on no what i was going to ask was so what you're saying is you're not sure the control
[22:36] horn that had come out of the elevator you're not sure whether it was on the master rod or the or the auxiliary rod i do not remember okay correct so that's what you're i think it was on the master rod or the auxiliary rod? I do not remember. Okay. Correct. So that's what you're… I think it was on the master, but I could be wrong. Okay. Like I said, by the time you look at things, you flip the plane upside down, you move things around, it's hard to remember.
[22:55] When you're not paying attention, especially. I can tell you that the elevator half that had the control rod, or I'm sorry, not the control rod, control horn pulled out of it was the right one i remember that if that helps no because i would have sworn it was the left one it was right when it was upside down no because when it was sitting on your garage floor out there the right hand elevator was the one that was floppy when it was sitting on its well i'm all
[23:21] messed up then i don't know as i recall but the point the point is the point that i'm trying to get to is i didn't check all that and i really should have i think what happened when i flew it everything was glued in right everything was fine but i think when i came to make that final pass something slid with the elevator. And the only thing that I can figure to where I would have lost all control on, up elevator, because I didn't let go of the stick.
[23:52] All I can figure is the reason it went down is because I lost the ability to bring it around because that rod slipped in the quick connect. My question then is, so on the master rod, there being, I mean, it's a solid connection from the servo to whichever elevator half it's connected to. You still would have had half of an elevator. No, I'm saying not the wheel collar thing that connected the two halves together. I'm talking about the quick connector that was on the actual servo horn.
[24:22] Oh, okay. I thought you said clevis earlier, and I thought that was on the actual servo horn oh oh okay i thought you said clevis earlier and i thought that was at the servo end no the clevis was on the actual elevator halves so that you think everything slipped on the servo probably or the rod slipped in the easy connector that was on the servo well that could be because it was just held on by the plastic backers too didn't even have the metal keepers on it and once again
[24:45] looking at i was like what i i shouldn't shouldn't worry about this like i shouldn't fly it like this i shouldn't worry about trying to get out there and fly it i need to just fix it but the guy told me he's flown it for years he's never had problems with it a mistake on my part i mean a mistake on my part. I mean, things happen. Yeah, they do. It's not fun. Unfortunately, and like you said, hindsight is 20-20. It's easy to beat yourself up over stuff you feel now
[25:14] that you should have done. But in the moment, you had to rationalize why you didn't need to do this or do that. Well, and here's the thing. It's bad to say, but once again, this was not a plane I cared about. Yeah, but I did. No, hold on. It's not a plane I cared about. The stuff that was in it, I cared about. I have never, ever, until this one, lost an airplane. I mean, I have always gotten any crashed airplane back. Yeah.
[25:44] And we'll get to that in a little bit because there's a story behind that whole thing too. But I mean, like, I'm not used to losing it. Like, I figure, okay, so if this crashes, whatever. I still got a motor. I've got servos. I've got a receiver. I've got a battery. I've got everything. I can go to another plane. Yeah. Now you have, well. Now I'm out. There's, I mean,. I'm holding out hope that we're gonna go
[26:06] find it yeah but if we find it what's gonna be good on it the motor well the motor will be good maybe some of the servos still be good it's a rain so many times it's been dewy so I mean like every morning is just so wet with do like engine I mean we can will for sure be able to salvage the the engine, I mean, we can, we'll for sure be able to salvage the engine. Yeah. For sure. So it's an expensive engine I bought. Well, I mean, not really.
[26:30] I mean, I guess that would still be a good deal just buying the engine. Even the engine just at what you paid for the entire plane is still a good deal. But still, I'd like to have the receiver back and all that. But it's probably not going to happen. I've got that out of my thought. Like, I don't expect to ever see that airplane again.
[26:45] The servos that are inside the airplane could very well be, depending on the position it's laying in the field or on top of the corn, which we don't think it's. It's not on top of the corn. I can tell you how I know that. So let's get back to my day. Okay. Saturday. Like I said, I flew it, crashed it, great, whatever, fun, cool. So I come home. Okay. and this is in the morning so i get home probably about noonish after after all that after i get the other stuff
[27:14] packed up and come home which by the way packing stuff up go home much easier in the car because i was one airplane short yeah anyway so i get home and i told crystal what happened and stuff and short yeah anyway so I get home I told crystal what happened and stuff and when she gets something in her mind it's right then it's gonna happen yeah because that's how she wants to do it and she's like well I want to go find it
[27:33] I was like what do you mean you want to go find it like you want to physically go look for it now she's like yeah let's go right now I was like I haven't had time to process what happened first off but okay let's backtrack a little farther after it went down before i left we put reggie was out there and we put my gopro on his he had that blue rascal or whatever whatever that is we put it on we just connected it to the landing gear on that with one of my mounts
[28:06] and he flew just a pattern above all of the corn because my plan was to go home look at the footage and hopefully see an airplane sitting on top or see where an airplane would have gone in not that easy by the way that's not how it works like okay corn for some reason just like easy by the way that's not how it works like okay corn for some reason just like engulfs swallows these airplanes that you just can't find them so i told her when i got home i told her that reggie
[28:33] had flown and i i have the the footage but i haven't looked at it yet and she's like well that's okay you can do that later let's go out now and look i you you don't argue you're just like all right let me unload the car we'll get it back to normal and we put all of our hot clothes on off we go well i i couldn't go look with her like we still had piper we didn't have anybody to watch her at that
[28:59] time so i told her i said if we go you were the only one going out in the field. And it's like 95 degrees. Yes, very, very warm. Yeah, actually, yeah, it was 95 degrees. Humid as heck and just not a fun day. Yeah, and you get in the corn, it's even hotter. So we went out to the field, Piper and I sat in the car and watched Netflix while Crystal went and walked the corn. She had no clue where she was going but
[29:25] she went out and walked like i told her it's about there i think because that's the other thing i don't actually know where it went down i know an estimation but not exactly where yeah so she goes and she starts looking and i'm starting to get worried about her after about an hour because that's it's hot out there yeah it's i hope nothing happened to where maybe she found the plane she's
[29:49] walking out and she died but i get the plane back but i mean i don't know those are the things that go through your mind did i just lose my plane again and my wife and my wife actually that sounds terrible i don't know if if I probably ought to take that one out. No, but anyway, so finally after an hour, she comes back and didn't find anything. After that, we ended up coming back home. And then I looked through the footage and kind of, like, I knew we
[30:17] were going to be going out the next morning. So I scrubbed the footage, went pretty much frame by frame and looked at it to see if I could see anything. There are a few parts and pieces that I wanted to look at where I saw some stuff in the corn. But what was nice? What was nice is that we had maps. So when we went out the next morning, my plan was to have these maps with us so we knew exactly where we were going to be looking.
[30:42] the corn is planted weird. It's not just like a, at least here, because we're at the corner of a field, it's not all going one way. There's some intermingling, intertwining, just weird, yeah, the end row things. So I had a map of where we were going to look. We could tell how far down we were going to go. We knew how many, like how many rows there were, so we were able to count where we knew where they were.
[31:07] So we decided at that point to go in town to my mom and dad's house and stuff. So we were talking about what happened, and mom told me that it was going to rain that night, which I didn't, for some reason, know it was supposed to rain. So Crystal once again decides that, well, we ought to go out there before tomorrow just in case it rains tonight so we can find it luckily i had the stuff printed with us
[31:30] and stuff and i said fine let's go and i actually because we're going to be going the next day had all my clothes loaded in the car and had all her stuff so i was ready to actually go out in the corn which was my first time going out in the corn like i've never done this before oh okay you've like never okay like i've never walked through corn in my life yeah it's fun it's not fun it's corn is tall yeah it's very tall like you don't realize how tall corn is until
[32:00] you're in the the how sharp it is yeah that that was the other thing so we get out there that night have the maps i have my long pants on my my boots my rubber boots i have long sleeves what else i had a bandana for around my my face a big hat on to kind of protect me from from all the the leaves of corn that you're right are very sharp. And so you're walking around and they're like a boxer with your arms up protecting your face and stuff.
[32:32] So it hits your arms that are sleeved as opposed to hitting your face. Wow. Yeah, it's hard to see. Well, so when we went in, once again, we did this in a grid pattern. Like we were very specific on where we looked, knowing where the maps were, knowing how everything was laid out. And we went to where we skipped three rows between us. So it was me, an empty row, an empty row, an empty row, and then her. So all we had to do was look over a row and a half, pretty much.
[33:01] I figure that's plenty to see an airplane. Because this is, it's what, a 50-ishish inch wingspan it's not tiny yeah but it's not huge right but still there's a lot of and there's a lot of white on that airplane a lot of white a lot of red should be able to see it should pop out easily which once again with the overhead shots nothing so it's not just sitting up top so that also tells me that i don't need to look up. I need to look straight ahead or down.
[33:26] We went through all of that for another probably hour and a half, just walking up and down, up and down. Couldn't find anything. Nothing. Like that plane has just disappeared. So the next morning comes. Okay. This is when we're out there saturday or sunday morning out there at seven o'clock seven o'clock like seven o'clock on a sunday morning a couple other guys meet us out there and we do the same kind of grid search again
[34:01] where we only skip what was i think we did two rows between us that time so that we only had to look yeah because there was one row over because there was more of us yeah same thing up and down every row down the the far rows that are going farther away from us and we actually searched down farther like expanded a lot out still nothing that plane is just gone like completely gone so then sunday night like night, like you had something going on that weekend.
[34:25] I don't remember what it was. Yeah, we were riding our bicycles. We did a long ride Sunday morning, and we didn't get done until about 11. No, that wasn't, not that weekend. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'd be less upset with you if it was something else. What do you mean? I didn't think you were riding a bike that morning. Yeah, I told you that. I thought you worked. Was that not the work weekend? No, work weekend was last weekend. It's in the text. Huh. Here, I'll read it to you. No, I'll believe you.
[34:59] It doesn't matter. That's okay. Okay. So you pushed me back for riding a bike. I didn't push anyone back. I never told you I'd be out there in the morning. Afternoon. Yeah. It was afternoon when I made it out there. What do you consider afternoon? Four o'clock is afternoon. Oh, that's early evening to me. See, early evening to me is like five, six o'clock. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. My afternoon ends at like three. Oh, okay. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. My afternoon ends at like three. Oh, okay.
[35:28] So it was early evening. Okay. Well, because I was expecting, like you said early, I'm sorry, you said afternoon. So in my mind, I was thinking, okay, we're gonna be out there maybe two, three o'clock in the afternoon. I didn't realize it was gonna be, five or six. Well, you didn't have to go out there. Well, I didn't. Like, and i actually was not planning on going out because by the time you called and said ham going out i was just drained
[35:51] like i was finished but crystal's like just go out have fun take a plane you can fly it i still had a couple batteries that i charged thinking that i was going to be going out that day anyway so i was like you're right always tell her that by the way you're right. Always tell her that, by the way. You're right. I mean, she was. So I loaded up the eFlight Advance with me again because that was the only thing I had charged and ready to go. Put it in the trunk and headed out to the field.
[36:15] Well, by the time I got there, I felt really bad because you're out in the corn looking for stuff. Yeah. Like you are searching for this airplane that I didn't – I thought we going out to fly like i didn't know you did yeah i didn't know we were going to be searching for stuff because i didn't wear anything like i did not i didn't dress for the occasion so i'm just sitting in the car waiting for you because i wanted to wait and fly with
[36:42] you and that kind of stuff so just as the weekend went by like with my luck the guy came out and you remember this now the guy came out to cut the grass yeah as i was waiting for you to come out of the field and i i won't fly over people when they're cutting grass and stuff just i wasn't flying when you were out in the field because i didn't want to crash in in the field and hit you so that was that was my weekend i did not get to fly sunday
[37:10] because of the he was cutting grass so i had to bring those batteries home and each one of those batteries took me what was it it was eight and a half hours i think to discharge each one of those yeah i could not believe how long it took yeah yeah it takes a long time to discharge those things yeah even those little 2100s it took mine a long time to discharge too because i didn't get to fly everything i took out to the field sunday but i did fly the kristen eagle and that was good
[37:35] but no you're having a problem with one of your elevator servers yeah the little park zone f27 q bar stu whatever that thing is yeah one of the one of the rudder servos just just stopped it just wasn't was not working it was just a lot it worked the last time i flew it yeah so i don't know something happened while it was hanging in the basement who knows which is weird so the other stuff i don't like i don't like that either that's really frustrating the only thing i can
[38:00] I don't like that either. That's really frustrating. The only thing I can kind of justify is that it was a cheap servo. Yeah. I mean, it's a cheap model. Yeah. Just foam kind of thing. it wasn't like a… It's fun to fly, though. Oh, absolutely. But it wasn't… It's not an expensive type. I just bought these good servos to put in that went out. So that makes me feel better. But I don't know. I still hate when a servo locks up like that. It's kind of bad. Yeah. So, yeah.
[38:33] Not a great weekend that weekend for you. It wasn't an awesome weekend for me either. But I at least took all the airplanes back home that I went out to the field with, so I guess there's that. Well, you flew two. I did. You brought two and you flew one. I flew one, yeah. So, I mean, you didn't at least go through one battery on it. Yeah, which is all I can go through with that thing because it's a flipping huge battery and I can only afford one of them.
[39:02] And like six minutes of flight time. I think I could probably, I think it'd be safe to probably bump that up to eight, maybe even 10. Well, it depends how you fly. I mean, once again, if you just, if you're full throttle the whole time, it's going to drain a lot quicker. Which I'm not, because that airplane is pretty hairy at full throttle. Is it? For some reason. Yeah, I think whoever built that one, that's that one I got from a good friend of the club
[39:24] who's no longer with us. But yeah, I think when built that one, that's that one I got from a good friend of the club who's no longer with us. But I think when he built it, he may have had the incidents wrong a little bit on the stab. It's pitch sensitive with regard to airspeed. Now, is that something that can be fixed now without a lot of work? Or is that kind of something where it's built into the plane?
[39:43] Yeah, it's pretty much built into the plane at this point i mean i could add some down down thrust probably or i guess it would be up thrust in this case but that won't really compensate for speed so much as power what i mean yeah so maybe like fixing that would be adding a like a mix with the elevator maybe. I mean, you don't really want to, but you might have to. Yeah, I could take it with it if I carried enough. You don't fly it enough to carry it. I don't fly that one.
[40:14] Yeah, I don't really fly that one often enough. Yeah, so it looks good at about half throttle, and that's where it's trimmed, and that's where it's most fun to fly that that one anyway so anyway well yeah i'm really i'm really i feel bad for you this crappy weekend but i i still am holding out hope that we'll find it i mean i'm planning on at some point this weekend i would like to go out to the field and look for it. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.
[40:52] So I may have to get the maps from you and kind of look those over and maybe try to augment wherever you guys left off. Well, we did more than we should have. I mean, like I went a lot closer than where I thought it would be, like to where I was flying. And on the opposite end of the spectrum, I went away yeah than where i would have expected it to be so now that that the corn field butts up to a bean field i'm not convinced
[41:16] me i'm not either that's so far away but what what i did sunday before you got there was i was i actually got there i was probably there a half hour before you got there was I was, I actually got there, I was probably there a half hour before you got there. And I actually walked probably 10, maybe 15 rows in from the corn. And I went out probably at least a couple hundred feet, maybe more. Into the beans you mean? Into the beans.
[41:39] Yeah. And I didn't see it. We did too. Here's the thing with the beans, like they're not very tall. i didn't see it we did too here's the thing with the beans like they're not very tall right and i cannot like i've been proven wrong before but i cannot imagine an airplane going down into the beans that are at most two and a half feet tall you think completely disappearing and completely
[42:00] disappearing without having like a trail going into the beans where you would see something knocked over. Because they're so weak. I mean, beans are not strong enough to – it's not like a corn – it's not like a stalk of corn. Yeah, you're right. They're not like corn. And Reggie flew over the beans too. So I looked at all that on the GoPro stuff and there was just no sign of anything. Bob swears that you were over the corn
[42:26] he does but i just so beans i mean sorry oh yeah over the beans which is farther away than the corn but here so here's the thing and this is very difficult when you're flying judging distance it is like each airplane is going to look different at each distance because of the sizes. So I felt bad for her. Crystal looked kind of silly doing it.
[43:02] But I just had her hold up her hands at the rough wingspan of that airplane and just walk away from me, like back away from me so I could see in my mind scale of how big it would be. I don't think I was that far away over the over the beans yeah like when she was that far away that plane would have looked so small in the air to me that i don't fly that far away yeah no you don't so yeah i don't know i mean it's it's left up to
[43:19] the it's it's what's the saying it's now it belongs to the ages or something. Whatever. It's gone. There is a potential lesson to be taken away from this event. So if you're going to crash, like you have no control of it, it's going in, and it's going to be in the corn, which is now that you have been in the corn you realize how hard it is to find them in the corn don't take your eyes off of it until
[43:53] it's truly out of sight i don't know if i did like i know what you're referring to because as i lost elevator control i know i had time to hold up my transmitter and say look guys i got nothing on this but i don't know like my my memory memories are so malleable they change just based on what information you get in so i don't know if i look back at him and said hey look at this or if
[44:19] i was looking at the plane the whole time i know where it went down the general area i know the trajectory it was coming at i knew where it was supposed to be coming around to make that final approach and i know what angle it was going at when it stopped when it started to make the the the descent into the corn where it actually went though it all happened so fast i couldn't tell you yeah i mean i just i so
[44:46] what i what i don't know what i do if i'm watching someone fly or if i'm flying myself especially especially when the corn is mature and tall and very thick and hard to like nine feet tall or so so tall over the years what i've sort of I don't know if I would say I've trained myself, but I've learned to do is if I know an airplane is going down, mine or anyone else's, I will watch that airplane until I physically can't see it again.
[45:14] And I will keep watching, even after it's gone, to try to look past where it crashed to find some sort of reference in the background like a tree that's really far away or a grain silo or something you're gonna like we're in illinois it's not completely flat unlike what most people say oh you guys are from the flatlands or whatever oh i don't know where we fly is pretty flat it is but there's there's stuff in the in the background everywhere
[45:41] you look yeah so what i do is when it goes down i keep looking and then i try to find something in the background to head towards whenever i go to try to find it sure that's what i've sort of learned to do over the years and i did that oh i mean like not consciously did that okay but when we went over it because when we came home i look at google maps first which is not the updated maps on, how stuff was planted.
[46:08] But it gave me an idea because I could zoom out to give me a line based on where I was standing, the angle I was looking at, to the trees that are far enough away, to where I was able to draw a line on Google Maps. what? Maybe it is in the beans. what maybe it is maybe it is in the beans because i'm because now i'm thinking if you were
[46:32] if you were turning base to final and you hadn't made your final your turn on the final approach yet you were still on your base leg you could have been past the corn could have but we searched probably a hundred feet out into the feet out into the beans past the corn. Okay. So, I mean, yeah, I don't want to bore everybody with that. That's something we can talk about later. After we find it, we'll talk about it. I don't think that's going to happen.
[46:56] One thing I did do, though, I haven't got it yet, but the guys at the field have the transponder locator things. field have the transponder locator things and then the club owns and one of our friends owns one of the locator guns so i did buy one of those the transponder the transponder yeah the guns are expensive i know somebody that has one so i don't need to right but yeah those are handy but i'll be honest with you i've been out at the field before
[47:27] when somebody has crashed an airplane with one of those in it and those don't do any good if the batteries aren't good yeah so that's another tell me to take the batteries out when you're not using it yeah so now there's another another battery you have to maintain and try to remember no no no i guess they're the little button cells like the cr2032s as all this one takes yeah so i mean i don't know i've never
[47:51] had one i've never used one i've never needed one but now one's bitten twice shy and i'm a little afraid to go flying with anything that i yeah even some i care about i've never seen a successful recovery based on the results of the of the gun oh really yeah yeah the guy i was talking to said they've he swears by him well he didn't swear by him but he said he's found several of them just by pointing to it and then the gun tells you
[48:15] if you're in the right direction i guess just by it beeps louder or something if you're pointed directly at it and then you can just walk right to him pretty much that would be handy i mean we'll see yeah i don't know and i guess it's something that's small enough and light enough to where you can just put a little piece of velcro on the inside of your airplane and then when you go to fly it stick it right on there yeah probably just under a battery hatch or something
[48:35] like that to where where stuff is so once i get it we'll figure it out and kind of see how things go and i don't know we'll see whatever i mean it's not a bad if it was cheap enough it's not it's it's not it's 54 bucks and you can put it in any airplane right it's not like yes see i always thought it was one per airplane not one per person that goes in every airplane you fly so that changes things for me when i figured that out it's like okay i wasn't
[49:02] going to spend 50 bucks on every airplane to put this little thing. Because I thought, I don't know why I thought, but I thought it was kind of like the transponders for RC cars where it plugs into your receiver for power. That's not how these work. So, we'll see how it goes. I'll report back when I get it and never have to use it, but we can test it out, see how it works.
[49:22] Well, that's the surest way to not need it is to have it. i guess so there you go other thing i was going to ask too so when we were trying to start that that was a sedo four cell or four four stroke 72 sedo 72. it wasn't the 82 we did figure that out 72 four stroke it kept running backwards ah yeah what causes that it happens usually what i've found is if if i have them really
[49:48] sloppy like if i've maybe primed it just a little bit too much and it's on the verge of being flooded usually that's when they they try to run backwards until you open up the throttle and then they choke themselves out and then they'll sometimes they'll pop back and start running forward for you but yeah usually it's because they're maybe a little bit over-primed. Oh, okay. Yeah. A little bit too much fuel.
[50:09] I did it to where you could hear the snotty nose kind of thing in it and stuff. And, I mean, there was a couple times it took several flips to get it started, but it started up and then was running backwards half the time. Yeah. Actually, every time until the last time. So, yeah, I think it ended up doing that like four or five times before we got it going the right way yeah but it doesn't matter because that airplane is gone now and i will never ever see it
[50:33] again see it's dead to me oh we'll see yeah we'll see so you've been busy other than looking for crashed airplanes too i've been cleaning i forgot about that so it looks fantastic down here by the way i wish i wish our listeners could see how nice and organized you you look right or this place looks right now well but then that would mean they would have to see how bad it looked before well they could take our word for it it was it was atrocious like we talked i think
[50:59] it was a couple weeks ago when we were talking about you said that like when you walk down your basement just the dread the the whatever the weight yeah yeah the gravity of it just made you feel like not doing anything that's really what i was getting like i was not accomplishing anything i'd come down here and if you start on something you got to go look for the tool you got to move stuff out of the way and i was just sick and tired of that so i ended up putting
[51:21] all of my airplanes now well i shouldn't say that 90 of my airplanes are hanging in the garage i put more shelves up would they look great by the way yeah i mean they're so nice and well out there and my wife was we fought about not fought but we discussed there was a discussion quite some time ago having those the the upright things for the shelving units actually screwed into the wall and so i don't
[51:46] know if she noticed that i actually put some into the wall before like i had wooden stands up and i finally took them off the stands because i didn't like how they were on the on those and i screwed it to the wall i i think she noticed that but i'm not sure but then in the front of the garage on one of the walls, I had two of those upright shelving support things hanging. Well, now I have six because I wanted to be able to, a little bit more modular.
[52:14] I wanted to have smaller airplanes be able to fit bigger airplanes. So she definitely noticed that because she was out there when I was doing it, and she just kind of shook her head and was like, oh, screwing more holes in the wall, huh? I was like, yeah. But that was about it. I mean, I told her like, if we ever, like these, where I was doing that for sure, if we ever put up cabinets in the front of the garage, that will hide all the holes.
[52:40] Because that was my original plan was to put cabinets up, but not now because I have airplanes. But yeah, I spent all last weekend. Airplanes are more important anyway. Like literally every day last weekend cleaning and organizing. Well, it does. It looks fantastic. And I wish I could say it motivates me to go and clean up my place. I just don't have time. I want to. So it does motivate you. It just doesn't push you to actually do it because of your timing.
[53:04] I mean, you have a lot of stuff coming up and actually it's going to be difficult for us to kind of get this podcast done for the next month and a half yeah so we'll see we do have a plan we'll see how things go yeah hopefully everything works out yeah it's just it's just crazy at at work for me right now and until October right yeah October is when October is one thing these guys are gonna slow down a little bit
[53:31] for me work-wise and I'll have more time to to do this kind of stuff and nice thing about October is start to cool off a little bit and we can go to the field and like not sweat our I know right our butts off our butts off there you go i was trying to make a reference to the sweaty this way but i couldn't you don't sweat those off yeah so hopefully we'll get some flying in and then that's going to be the start of building
[53:56] season yes so that's another reason i want to get some stuff cleaned up so we can start doing some other stuff we have a tri motor we need to build yes we do which hey speaking of that yeah so i want to give a quick shout out to one of our listeners daryl volk he sent us a nice note in an article on the ford tri motor did it was from the july edition of general aviation news it's good to see that the tri-motor is still relevant. Well, what I mean?
[54:27] Even though it's so old, yeah. Right, but it's in the 2021 July issue of Aviation Magazine, or General Aviation News Magazine. And what's neat is it's actually, I mean, obviously, it's the EAA version, or not version, it's the EAA's airplane that they travel around the United States with, which is the one I rode on. So it kind of pulls it all together because that's the one we're modeling it after too. So that's going to be cool. It had a lot of good information in it.
[54:56] A lot of, like, obviously when I flew on it, I had no interest or no plans on building a model of it. So I didn't get a lot of good pictures of the inside there were a couple really detailed shots in there that are going to help us like with the lighting on the wall like oh in the article yeah and the article lighting on the wall had a good picture of it saying with the chairs we can kind of see what the chairs look like
[55:18] so it should help i think quite a quite a bit and one of the things he said in his note was that he's a little biased to the airplane because when he was a little kid his grandpa bought him a ride on one at oshkosh how about that so which actually i think this week or last weekend it was back up at oshkosh at the air venture so, I can understand why he feels that way. Yeah, because you have a very similar story. That's the same way for me,
[55:48] except it was just a few years ago when we wrote on it. So it's going to be fun. Very, very generous to send us that. Yeah. It's very awesome. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. And if you guys have anything else you want to send us to, we have the PO Box. It's all listed on the website. Go look that information up. And before we get off here tonight, because do you have much or anything else you want to talk about? I learned something the other day. So I'm old, right? Sure.
[56:18] I'm somewhat, I don't want to say resistant to technology but technology and i don't really hang so i am a luddite apparently i don't what does that mean l-u-d-d-i-t-e i've heard of it but i don't know the basically it means a crotchety old fart that resists modern technology and modern conveniences oh so is that going to go in your business card now? Yep. Yep. It sure is. I'm going to put it right at, like, that'll be my nickname, maybe. Luddite. Yeah.
[56:52] A guy at work told me I was a Luddite. And I was like, what do you mean? What does that mean? And then he proceeded to explain it to me. I was like. Did you look it up to make sure he was right? I did. Oh, okay. And I don't remember exactly what the definition was. Pretty much crush the old guy that doesn't like you. Like, I don't, I can't really argue against it because, yeah, technology escapes me. Understanding it. Well, I don't think that has to do with age.
[57:19] I think that has to do with attitude. Oh, well, maybe. I try. That's true, I guess. It does frustrate me some, but I don't reject it. I mean, I have a cell phone. Yeah, and it's not even a flip phone. It is not a flip phone. That's true. So I would like to thank our patrons. So we have two new ones this time. So thank you very much. And let's read through the names. We have Rob Derrick. We have Stevium, I think is how you say his name. Don Shack. Jeff, Flight Team. Garrett Newhart.
[57:59] Jason Veris. Ron Struss. Rick Maddox. Jeffrey Arsenault. And Matt Leroy. Thanks, guys. Thank you all very much. We sure appreciate that. You make it possible to do what we do, and we do appreciate your support. Yeah. We've thought, now maybe I shouldn't say this, but Tom and I have kind of talked about, are you okay if I bring this up? Yeah, yep. We've kind of talked about doing some sort of something extra for our patrons. some sort of something extra for our patrons.
[58:26] Scheduling is going to be difficult, especially with him being gone until October or busy till October. But I'm thinking maybe November, December timeframe, it would be fun to do like a build night just for our patrons. And this goes along with what I said when we first started talking about Patreon and people supporting us. I didn't want to hold content hostage. Right this way we're not yeah we're not it's not really additional content so
[58:51] much as just a way for the patrons to interact with us in a more direct and intimate fashion yeah and it so we have a couple arfs that we bought little not what what's the make that is a goldberg chipmunk yeah okay a little electric one, what's the make? Chipmunks. They're made by Goldberg. That is a Goldberg chipmunk? Yeah. Okay. The little electric one. So it's the small version of that. We have an older style and a newer style. Yeah.
[59:18] And that's something that Tom and I have been trying very hard, actually, to find time to do for the last, well. Well, since we got them. Was that six months ago? That really, yeah. It's been, yeah. It's been a long time since we got them. Was that six months ago? Yeah, it's been a long time since we got those. Well, that was December. Yeah. Wow. So, oh, that's depressing. We've just been busy. Yeah.
[59:37] So anyway, we want to put them together, and we thought, what a good way, just to kind of do a little hangout. I don't know if we're going to do where or what or how. Might be through, I don't know, what are the popular, like Google Hangouts. Google Hangouts, Zoom is one you could probably do. Zoom, we might do something like that. Just a little meeting or something like that just for all of our patrons. So that's something to kind of keep on the lookout for.
[1:00:05] Like I said, it's probably going to be November, December timeframe. Yeah. A long time from now, I know, which kind of stinks, but that's about all we can do. It is what it is. That's about when I'll have time to work on something like that. And hopefully by then, internet will be perfect and we'll be able to do that. Yeah. And I'll try to have my act together too at my house so I can start maybe building sub-assemblies at my house. We got a lot to do. Yeah. So anyway. All right.
[1:00:31] Well, anything else? Yeah. I feel bad about the weekend that you lost the airplane, but I'm still holding out hope that we're going to find it. It's gone. It's gone. I mean, it's gone it's gone i mean it's gone it's it no longer exists somehow it hit a time portal or something it's just out of here it's like the bermuda triangle out there it found the only wormhole in the universe and went through it
[1:00:58] well i mean like seriously we looked well obviously not everywhere because we didn't find it but And, well, obviously not everywhere because we didn't find it, but we looked a lot of places. But anyway, yeah, I feel bad about that. But onward and upward, bigger and better things. Onward and with that one, downward. So anyway, all right. Next episode we'll have a little bit more laid out to talk about.
[1:01:21] This was kind of off the cuff. If you guys guys have questions you want to you want us to take a hack at i think that's we're going to try to focus on a listener question episode here coming up if not the next one maybe the one after so if you guys have questions you want us to to take a stab at answering in a informed fashion you can send those to us either via email tom rcplanelab.com or ron at rcplanelab.com or any of the other
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