Ep 10: Updates #3

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[00:00:39] Everyone, welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. This is Ron and Tom. Today we’re going to be talking about some updates. We’re kind of going. We’re kind of going to go over what we’ve been working on the last week. We have had some time to get some stuff done, so this, this will be nice to cover what we’ve worked on, what we have, what we’ve accomplished. First off, I did have a chance to 3d print some wings or some wing ribs. That was one of the things we talked about in one of the one of the episodes before to try right. So I printed some 3d wing ribs, took them over to Tom.

[00:01:13] To look at, and what did you think of them? Well, overall, I gotta say, structurally speaking, these things are really, really stiff. I would have no, no problems whatsoever with assembling a wing out of these. A first impression, though, honestly was it. It was a little heavy, but, granted, there are no lightning holes, it’s just a solid rib with this weird little doohickey.

[00:01:41] You put in the middle of it. What was that about that? That was not a doohickey. I put in the middle that was actually a rib. I think that was a center rib off of the ford tri motor plans that we were talking about doing okay, and if I remember right, I think that was. I think that’s where the

[00:01:58] Servo goes for the engine. I think, oh, I could be wrong. Okay, you’re talking about the cut. I’m talking about this weird octagonal interlocking puzzle piece looking thing you put in the middle. Why’d you do?

[00:02:11] That, okay, so that one. I have a small 3d printer. It’s not huge and that was actually. That was actually a pretty big wing rib. If you look, it’s probably what 12 inches it’s? Yeah, it’s maybe 14, it’s a 10 and a quarter, okay, so I was way off. But anyway, 10 and a quarter inches. Well, this is six inches, right, it was a little wider than what I can do on the, on my, on my printer, so what I had to do is split that in half and that was kind of like a little puzzle piece to where you.

[00:02:44] Can and can glue that together, okay. So yeah, I understand it was heavy. Yeah, there was, there was. No, there was no light, there was no lighting hole or lightning holes or anything that I put in right if we wanted to continue and try it again. I can work on lightening it up a little bit. I can put. I mean, I can just do an outline. Let me ask you this: fillers, okay, can it be?

[00:03:11] Printed thinner I mean this is this is fairly what is this 3 16 or so yeah it was supposed to.

[00:03:16] Be 3: 16 according to the plan. It was: oh okay, okay, yeah, the. The original plan said 3: 16 balsa, so I just went with the same thickness, so that’s the reason that was so thick. What I know? There are some thinner wing ribs and stuff that are probably what eighth inches is fairly common, I think eighth.

[00:03:36] Inch is usually yeah, eighth inch. 332, Depending on the on the airframe for the sport type stuff that I fly it’s. It’s usually eighth inch balsa, yeah, and I mean you can print whatever.

[00:03:47] Thickness you want. It just has to do with how you design it. I just went with whatever was on the on the plans on that one I gotcha. So yeah, maybe if you want to revisit that, I can do another one and lighten it up a little bit, make it a little bit thinner and maybe find a smaller, a smaller rib to try and just do a single piece. What do you think of that? Yeah, I think.

[00:04:08] I think I’d like that did it take long to print yeah that was what I was going to say that’s the.

[00:04:14] Problem with it though it I think that one took about three hours to print okay so you’re not.

[00:04:22] Okay, so the good and the bad with that. It took three hours to print, but I don’t necessarily care that it took three hours to print because I’m not working on it for three hours. That’s true, the only you can. You can set it to print and then go to bed, or you can set it, print and then walk away and do whatever you need to do, and then just come back and start over next time for another one, and that’s pretty easy to do, but there is quite a bit of time in it. The nice thing about it, though, is it’s fairly cheap. I think, if I did the math right, that was about 14 cents is all it costs to

[00:04:53] Do that one. Okay, I don’t know, I don’t know how that compares price-wise to like balsa, but if we’re, if we’re going to be thinning it out too, it’s not going to be first off. It won’t take nearly that long to print, it’s not going to be as much material, so it won’t be as expensive. And if we lighten it up too, even with holes or with or with whatever else we can put in there, then that’s really gonna speed it up also. Well, I mean a couple of things that come to mind.

[00:05:26] Just kind of looking at this and thinking about the differences between this and balsa. Yeah, definitely cheaper than balsa, I think. I think a an eighth inch by, let’s just say three inch by 36 inch sheet of balsa is probably, depending on where you get it from. Let’s just say it’s. Let’s just say it’s three bucks for a sheet. It’s probably less than that, but with shipping and everything it’ll just call three bucks and you could probably lay out. I’m thinking

[00:05:56] You could probably lay out maybe eight of these if you strategically place them on the sheet. So, yeah, definitely, definitely cheaper than a sheet of balsa. And another thing I’ll mention is that I think probably less waste. I mean, we usually end up when we start cutting parts out of balsa sheets. We there’s. No matter how good you are or efficient you are at laying out parts, there’s always going to be some waste of that of that really expensive balsa. So, yeah, there’s, there’s.

[00:06:28] Not a lot of waste yeah no waste when you do that and that does make it nice so that’s I’d say.

[00:06:34] That’s a. That’s a pretty a positive feature. But, honestly, for me- I mean, I’m looking at this and it does look like there’s going to be some cleanup- you’re going to have to do some sanding here, where the, where the two pieces of this particular rib made up, because it looks like there’s a little bit of a mismatch here on the, on the, on what would be the top surface. It’s not a big mismatch, but if you, you lay a sheet of balsa over it, like our, like a wing skin, it would create a hump in the skin. So you’d have to sand that down and for me,

[00:07:10] It’s not that I’m made of money or anything like that but I think I would probably spend less time.

[00:07:17] Cutting- cutting this out of balsa and getting probably less time involved with the cleanup than with this plastic one. And for me, the value of time is- I don’t want to say time is worth more than money, but in my case I don’t have a lot of time to spare. So if I can, if I can do something a little bit quicker, usually I don’t mind. Paying a little bit more is kind of what I’m saying. Okay, so don’t do it again. Do it again, but no, I’m, I would like to.

[00:07:48] No, no, I would like to see one of these done an eighth inch, with maybe some lightning holes, and let’s see, I’ll compare it to a. I’ll pull a. I’ll pull a rib out of one of these kits I got. We’ll kind of compare them weight wise. But really, I mean, if, if we could get this and make it work, I have no problems. No problems using, using these in a wing, because they are plenty strong, that’s for sure. I mean, I’m trying to break this thing and it’s, it’s resisting way more than a piece of balsa wood. Yeah, okay, and there’s no grain to this too, which is another interesting point.

[00:08:22] Because this is probably going to have strength, the same strength in all directions, both torsually and sheer strength and bend strength. Balsa has strength, but usually and has more strength in one direction than the other. So a nice thing about this is you don’t have to do a lot of planning with, with grain and trying to figure that into your design, which that’s kind of handy. That could save some time. Yeah, okay, well, we’ll try that. Yeah, I’d.

[00:08:50] Like to see another one in eighth inch. Try it, okay, I’ll. I’ll do that and see if we can get to it this week. If not, it’ll be next week. I don’t know and I’m not sure what this week is going to bring yet, so we’ll see. Yeah, it’s hard to hard to plan right now. Yeah, so one of the other things we talked about before is we were going to build ford tri-motor. We were both excited about it and we still are. However, yes, yeah, so we’ve kind of talked and I think we’re going to push that.

[00:09:20] Maybe next plane and I think we’re going to do duelists. So since Tom talked about his, his or, in one of the episodes, talked about him crashing his duelist several years ago and he was a little sad about it and I don’t know if he’s gotten over it yet, but maybe I mean it’s.

[00:09:39] Been a long time ago but yeah I learned a valuable lesson those pre-flies are very important.

[00:09:44] Right, so we’ll I okay. So I was just killing time looking on online, surfing the internet, and I came across plans for a duelist. I don’t know anything about them other than apparently there’s a few different plans- I think two or three different ones I found- and so that kind of piqued my interest and I said, hey, Tom, let’s, let’s do this instead, let’s, let’s go with this plane. It should be a little bit easier to do you what you’re working on. You’ve kind of had one so before and I’m really excited, to be honest. Yeah, and for a first scratch, build slash plan.

[00:10:20] Build whatever, whatever you want to call it. It would be exciting for me to do too, because after seeing that plane, I really think it’s a nice looking plane, it’s very sexy it is, it’s it’s very sleek and long, and I, I think one of the things I like about it too is that the nacelles actually stick out as far as the, as the nose. Yep, most planes don’t do that. When you see, like the dual motor planes and stuff, that’s kind of stuck or sucked back a little bit, and I, I, I really like the, the look of it, right. So, yeah, what we did? I went ahead and I printed the plans.

[00:10:54] I have, I’m I’m fortunate enough to have a wide format printer here. So, right, I printed the 69, which is awesome. Yeah it, it does. It does make it easy. So I printed the 69 inch plans and apparently those are the ones you wanted, but you wanted me to print another set also. So one of I want to say to you: is anybody listening? I don’t want to have the printer just for myself, if you.

[00:11:25] Guys need to print anything or want any. Any plans printed or something like that? Email me, we’ll hook you up. We’ll get you set up. It’s. It’s not a big deal to print. I think the widest paper I have right now is 42 inch, so as long as your plans are less than that, drop me an email, we’ll. We’ll figure something out. If you need something printed, we’ll. We’ll get you taken care of and for anybody,

[00:11:47] Listening, I have no skin in his print game, okay. But having now seen the plans- they’re right here in my, in my shop, here in the basement- having seen them up close, I gotta tell you they’re they’re very, very high quality. I mean they’re as good as any plans I’ve seen printed.

[00:12:05] Yeah, it’s, it’s a very nice printer, so- and it really getting off topic- but right where that printer stands out- and you’ve seen them- when I have, like the high quality photos and stuff that can be printed on that, oh it’s, it’s gorgeous, it really is. But anyway, yeah, if anybody needs print or plans printed or anything like that, just drop me an email, we’ll, we’ll figure something out. I’m I’m I’m not trying to make a bunch of money or do anything with it. We’re just trying to help everybody out here. So if you need something, let me know. So back to these, these plans.

[00:12:38] I was okay, I was very intrigued by the story you told me behind these plans. So okay. So, first thing, when I, when I said that I found a set of plans for this plane and wanted to print them and wanted to give them to you and try to build it, you told me when I, when I showed you which ones they were, that’s fine, but there are some errors in those plans. And when I ask you how you knew you of course wouldn’t tell me. You’re just like, oh, it’s magic or whatever, but anyway.

[00:13:11] So there’s a an interesting story behind these plans so would you fill everybody else in kind.

[00:13:15] Of on how this whole thing went. Sure, yeah, I’ll try to. I’ll try to not butcher it up. So the dualist was originally designed by dave platt. For anybody that’s been flying for a while- you- you’ve heard the name, I’m sure- was an airplane designer. He designed the dualist. I think it was 70, I’m gonna say 74. Let’s just say it’s probably plus or minus a year or two, but anyway, dave platt had his own company at one time. It was dave platt models and he produced this airplane under his dave.

[00:13:49] Platt models brand and he had a business partner and sometime after the they produced the dualist and a few other their of their kits. He and his business partner had a falling out and he actually got kind of booted out of his own company. That company continued on for a while and dave platt of course went on to form pika models and a lot of those pika. Well, I think all of those pika designs are actually a dave platt and dave platt collaboration with other.

[00:14:19] Designers. But anyway, dave platt models, once dave was gone, continued to produce the dualist and it was a 67 inch wing and it was. There was a few weird things about it but it was a very, very good flying airplane, had some weird thrust angles built into the engines and I think there was a weird negative- I think incidents on- on where the wing was mounted in relation to the, to the horizontal data. At any rate, dave platt when he left that company and formed pika models,

[00:14:52] He redesigned the dualist, called it a mark ii. He elongated the wings, made it easier to build by refining a few things on the print. And then the kits. His kits were all built with. At least his dualist kits were built with no right thrust, no down thrust. Everything was mounted straight up, including the wing and the tail. So it was an easier airplane to build from a kit and also an easier airplane to build from the plans. So there’s two sets of plans out there for the dual, for the 40 size.

[00:15:24] I’ll say dualist. There’s the 67 inch wing, which is the original, and then there’s the 69 inch wing, which was the redesigned by dave platt so that he could sell it under pika models. So now we have- thanks to your printer, we have- a copy of both plans and I’m going to stick with the 69 inch version because it’s going to be a little bit easier to build. Don’t have to worry too much about the incidence angles as long as we set everything up at zero. And the nice thing about the, the, the.

[00:15:56] Original plan, though, is that the wing ribs are a little bit more clear, and there’s another separate plan that has all the rib templates out separately. Unfortunately, the 69 inch plan that we’re going to use, or that I’m going to use, all the rib templates are kind of stacked on top of each other on the plan to save space. It makes them difficult to draw that way, but we’ll work around it, and as far as the errors are concerned, so on the 69 inch wing, I’m not sure if it’s because of the way it was printed originally or if it was. If it was, it’s definitely not a design, dave platt.

[00:16:31] Didn’t design it this way, but the left wing panel is actually on the plan, is it the left one? One of the wing panels is shorter by just a little bit than the other one. I think the difference is like five, sixteenths, I think, overall. So that’s one. One error on the plan that it’s pretty easy to fix, but we’ll

[00:16:50] We’ll work around it so what do you just kind of flip the plan over and print it then.

[00:16:56] Or you, you can. You can do it lots of different ways to save paper. I’ve done this before. So you build. Let’s say you want to build the left panel first and then, if you want to build a right panel just exactly like it, you flip the plan over, rub some transmission fluid on the plan and guess what? Presto, change of the lines all transferred to the other side and now you’ve got a reverse image of the of the other and you build on. That’s a good idea, that’s yeah, that’s one way to do it. Or if you got a nice fancy printer, you can just print the plan twice and flip it over and do that.

[00:17:29] I mean, or probably what I’ll end up doing is I’ll just, I’ll just fudge each rib on the other panel to make it the same width as the as the panel on the other side. Pretty easy fix, honestly cool yeah.

[00:17:42] We’ll try that. I’m I’m guessing if, if that’s the one you’re sticking with and I end up doing my own, I will probably also stick with that same kit. Yeah, yeah, it’ll be easier with that same plan. Yeah, and I just okay. Yeah, no, go ahead, I was gonna say so. My question then: I’m an electric guy. How hard would this be to go with electric? Probably pretty easy, very easy, yep, okay.

[00:18:12] Very easy the airplane. If I remember correctly my original dualist, I think it was somewhere in the 10 and a half to 11 pound range. So you take off the take off the nitro motors and all the stuff with that’s involved with those. Of course, you’re going to be replacing those with fairly substantial battery packs, but I think you could probably do if you’re really careful about building it and you’re and you’re really conscientious about weight, I think.

[00:18:44] You could probably build an electric version, maybe even a pound or so, maybe more lighter than that, but I think it would make. And if you decided you didn’t want to do retractable gear, you just wanted to put standard gear in it, then it would be even lighter still. So I think it would make a great.

[00:19:03] Electric conversion? Yeah, because I just I just pulled up the model or the plans while we were talking and it says it’s for two 25 to 40 engines. That sounds pretty small, I think an electric motor you could probably run that off like a 3s, LiPo or something. Even, yeah, each for.

[00:19:21] Each one, yeah, absolutely yeah. Yeah, you wouldn’t get, you may not get, you may not get the flight time, but yeah, you could. You could certainly run each motor on this particular airplane on a 3 cell. I don’t see any problem with that. 4 Cell would be better, yeah, but well, we’ll play it by ear.

[00:19:40] We’ll see how that goes. But yeah, if we do it, I know you’ll be building your kit. I would like to also build one, but we’ll see what time does. Yeah, I mean we’ve got some projects to.

[00:19:51] Finish first too which speaking of projects we’ll we’ll talk about that yeah but yeah.

[00:19:57] We’ll, we’ll, we’ll. This is probably what we’re going to be doing, so well, as of now, that’s, I think, what we’re gonna. What we’re gonna say: yeah, you’re gonna be excited. You’re gonna be looking up balsa making a list on how much it’s gonna be what we need to get. Let me know.

[00:20:14] Actually, I actually almost have the list together now I’m I got a few things I need to put on there and then I’ll I’ll put an order together and see how much it is. I’m just going to order enough to do.

[00:20:25] Two. So that’ll be that. Well, let me know what it comes to, because we might double that, because it’s always good to have some- well, it’s always good to have some balsa and stuff around the house anyway. So I’m, I’m, I’m getting very low on supplies. I noticed that when I was kind of going through trying to do some stuff on the on the Telemaster. So I need to stock back up, so I have

[00:20:48] Some stuff sitting here. Okay, yeah, we’ll. Yeah, once I, once I get a list together and I get an order together, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll hit you up and let what it is, and if you want to double it, we will.

[00:20:58] Okay, good deal. I’m really excited. Yeah, it’ll be fun. I am good to have a twin again. It’ll be fun to see what colors you go with versus like what I would do. That’s what I’m more. Yours is going to definitely look like a 70s airplane and I think mine would be more. Mine would be more modern.

[00:21:20] I do I do like the 70s pattern themes I’m I wouldn’t say I’m stuck in the 70s but.

[00:21:26] Yeah I like them you might be that’s probably back when you had hair isn’t it.

[00:21:33] Well I used to have hair yeah I mean yeah back in the 70s.

[00:21:39] So I speaking a senior Telemaster, I got some stuff done on that one. Yeah, I’m pretty much I don’t want to say finished because I still have a few things to do, but the hard part is definitely behind me. I did take it outside today and ran it and got it tuned. So that motor is that motor. Yeah, that motor is back to working, sweet. So did you take a video? Please tell me you took a video. I did not, so I wanted to talk to you about the motor that’s on there. Okay, how, how?

[00:22:15] Overkill is that and should I be using it or should I be looking for a different motor.

[00:22:20] It’s. I mean I’ll be honest it’s. It’s probably going to be flying that thing around a quarter throttle most of the time. Probably that the reason that, the reason I suggested it: I knew it was going to be too much motor. I mean I knew that. But I also knew that it was going to need a substantial amount of weight in the nose to get the thing to balance because of that really long tail. So I thought, well, rather than add just a bunch of useless lead, why not?

[00:22:53] Put some motor up there, it’s not going to hurt anything. I mean that firewall is super, super strong, or at least it was. We’ve put a few holes in it now, haven’t we? Yeah, I had to, okay, unfortunately. Yeah, well, that’s okay. I mean, if you, if you want to, if you want to remoter it with something else- I mean I have a shelf of engines up here that we could- we could probably make work, but I, it is going to be, it is going to be much more power than it needs.

[00:23:22] Well, I, and I only probably had, so I put a 16 by 6 prop on it and, okay, that’s pretty small for that motor. Well, I can’t fit anything bigger on it, because if I went up, no clearance, yeah, if I went up to like an 18 and you hold it straight out, you’re going to be hitting the grass and okay, even like with this one, if you tip that tail up just a little bit too much, you’re, you’re really close to the ground, too close for my comfort. Okay, I mean, that thing was originally designed to fly on a 40.

[00:23:53] Right, that’s if it’s designed to fly on that. And this is a 30 or 32 cc, whatever gasser, right it’s, it’s a lot of motor. So even with the prop that size, which is apparently small for that, for that engine, yeah it, it throttle or it at idle, it really wanted to roll like I had it tied to the golf cart so it wasn’t taking off on me and going anywhere.

[00:24:20] And I tried to tune it down and get it and get it running well and it just it did not want to, didn’t want to stay there, so that’s, that’s my only concern. Did you take an rpm reading?

[00:24:32] Did you put a tack on it to see where it was idling no I didn’t I kind of ran out of time.

[00:24:36] Tonight I was. It was excited to get out and get it done. I wanted to hear it run, see if it would work and stuff, and so I had enough time to do that, but no, I didn’t take in any, any rpm. It sounded good. Like I said, it needed a lot of adjustment on the needles because it was running really rough at first, but once I got that tuned a little bit better, yeah, it was.

[00:24:59] Running pretty good, sounded good, yeah, well, maybe we’ll take that off of there and we’ll save that maybe for a bigger project down the road and maybe we’ll compromise and we’ll put like a- I’ve got a 90, I think it’s a 91, two-stroke up here probably be just perfect, for that 91 is going to turn a 14 inch prop so you’ll get more ground clearance.

[00:25:22] Yeah and that might that might work a little bit better for it but we’ll we’ll see.

[00:25:26] Yeah, when all this, when this covid thing is all over, I’ll, I’ll package it up and I’ll bring it out next time we come out. We’ll kind of look at it and maybe we could invert it and put a nice clean cowl on it. 3D print, yeah, or something. Yeah, that would be nice, the cowl that I have to make.

[00:25:42] For this or that I would have to make, for this is going to be huge. I mean it’s like from the inside of the propeller to the, the actual firewall. I mean you’re close to eight, eight and a half inches, I think. So that’s, that’s a lot to make up with a, that’s a lot of cowl, yeah, yeah, so I don’t know, we’ll see. Once I said, once all this is done and you come out, then we’ll, we’ll do a little bit more with it. And now I did find it funny too, though, that since this, the last episode, we were talking about receivers and we kind of warned about feedback with gas motors. Yeah, this.

[00:26:18] Has a lot of feedback and we’re gonna have to do some figuring out on that. So every time I went full throttle, so my plan actually was to take it and untie it from the golf cart so that I could actually kind of taxi it around the, the, the yard and stuff. I didn’t have wings on it, okay, but I wanted to be able to taxi it around the yard and stuff, just kind of see how it how it behaved. But I couldn’t do that because anytime I went to like half to full throttle, for some reason the, the elevator went completely up and the rudder went completely right.

[00:26:56] Oh yeah, that’s not. Yeah, not good at all. So as soon as I saw that, I was like: all right, well, I’m not going to taxi it around or do anything, but I’m, yeah, I will, I will run it up and make sure it’s running right. So I don’t know if it was- I don’t have anything installed in there yet and it was all just kind of thrown inside the fuselage. So yeah, there might be a little.

[00:27:17] Spectrum is usually pretty good about, about noise and rf noise and things like that. I’ll be honest, when I converted that engine I never actually put it in an airplane, I only ever bench ran it and I mean you’ve seen the video of it that I had on youtube for the longest time. But yeah, if I recall, there’s a lot of well in most of these big gas two strokes. They do vibrate a lot and they do cause a lot of noise, but yeah, if it’s, if it’s causing you.

[00:27:49] Know servos to go full lock like that then yeah we definitely would want to investigate that before.

[00:27:55] You risk flying it, that’s for sure. Yeah, absolutely, and it’s. I mean it’s. It has everything to do with the running of the motor, because when the motor would died or when it was off, going full throttle and all that didn’t change it at all. So when I first saw it I thought, well, maybe there was a mix in there, something with throttle, somehow a mix with throttle, and then the other, the control surfaces. But I was like no way that this is a fresh, fresh bind and a fresh model, so that should not be in there. And then, as soon as it was turned off, it stopped. So I was

[00:28:27] Like: okay, so it had nothing to do with that. It’s feedback. We’re done pretty much with working on it for today, but it is, it is all together, it’s running, so that’s a plus. I did we. We talked about putting a choke out the front. I could not find any way to run any sort of wire out like the front of a cowl, so I did have to put that on a on a servo. Oh, okay, that was I mean that’s okay. Yeah, it worked okay. I hated losing another channel to that.

[00:28:59] But there’s just no way. There’s no way. Oh you, you mean, you ran out of slots on your receiver, not yet. I think I still have one more, but I would like to have a couple extras just in case. Okay, but yeah, so that’s where I stand on that. So yeah, when all this does down, you can come out and we’ll look at it and try and figure some stuff out. We’ll look into that.

[00:29:23] About any other progress. Yeah, so my oldest one. Oh well, I’m gonna go ahead and try and draw this out a little bit then. Fair enough, I mean not too much. My oldest kid was talking about wanting to kind of get back into flying and learn to fly a little bit. One of his friends wants to. Oh yeah, that’s right. So I’ve got to go through. I have a, an airplane here that hasn’t been touched for several years. It’s an old trainer. I don’t remember what it is, but it’s a habaco.

[00:29:57] Something or another. So I’m gonna have to go through that and kind of make sure it’s working. The motor on it is. It’s a it’s a nitro motor, but it’s very tight. I mean it still spins.

[00:30:09] So is that something I need to worry about? Or? But maybe, but maybe not. If it’s been sitting a while, more than likely it’s just gummed up from the oil that was in the fuel that was probably in it. Probably- my guess is somebody didn’t put a proper after run oil in the motor, which we’ll talk about in one of our other episodes, but probably it’s okay. It was just probably put away with fuel still in the engine and then that fuel, the oil that was in it, congealed.

[00:30:42] And it tends to stick parts together when it varnishes but it’ll come it’ll come clean I’m fairly.

[00:30:48] Confident as you’re running it’ll kind of work itself out then yep yeah once you once you fuel.

[00:30:53] It up for the first time. We’ll pull the plug out of it, we’ll fuel it up, put a little squirt, a little fuel on top of the cylinder and as you turn it over, that fuel will sort of dissolve, if you will, and loosen up that old varnish and oil. And once that, once that loosens up, yeah you’ll, you’ll get some lubrication to the bearings, and it should be, it should be.

[00:31:13] Fine, I, I bet, I bet it’s fine, okay, well, that’s good news then I won’t have to worry about that. Yeah, so I, I know I’m gonna have to put some packaging tape and stuff on the wings. There’s a few holes in it. Yeah, this is one of those. This is one of those ugly planes that really is a trainer and if anything happens to it, you’re just like, eh, no big deal it’s, it’s not a, it’s not going to win any beauty contest or anything, but it’ll do what it needs to do and hopefully it’ll serve its purpose. Yeah, hopefully, get both of them in the air and hooked on the

[00:31:43] On the hobby, kind of like we are. Yeah, I hope so. Other things. He’s flown before, though yeah, it’s been several years, he hasn’t. He hasn’t been into it for several years, but I think he’s. He’s kind of, after hearing the podcast and seeing all the stuff we’re working on, kind of hopefully getting back into it. I think there’s unfortunately, whenever you have kids, a lot of the times what dad does isn’t cool, even if it is cool like this kind of thing. So, yeah, a lot of things skip.

[00:32:12] A generation, but we’ll, we’ll see how it goes. Yeah, I tried to get. I tried to get my kids involved so many times and the last thing they want to do now is look at rc airplanes. That’s okay. Yeah, it is, I mean.

[00:32:24] You have to have your own thing, I guess, but it would be nice to have it be a family. A family it would be, but it’d be very cool. Yeah, we’ll see my, my youngest. She’s three now and she loves watching me do stuff. And she was out watching that airplane running earlier and stuff and asking me when I was going to fly it and all that stuff, and I told her: well, not today. And then she’s like, oh, that’s awesome. She’s a little disappointed but yeah, she’s excited for that kind of stuff. So hopefully we’ll get her in. Maybe in a year or two we can get her some sort of

[00:32:55] Like easy to fly, either quadcopter or something simple. She can fly inside the house and learn. She’ll be at that age. That’d be so awesome. So, yep, very cool. Other thing I wanted to ask you on this: on this little trainer I need to go over. So servos, the servos that are in there, I don’t know anything about them. I don’t even actually think I’ve ever flown this airplane. I don’t even remember where I got it or where it came from. Okay, how okay. So if I put receiver in it and put battery in it and all that kind of stuff and the servos work, are you pretty much okay, or should I be concerned?

[00:33:29] That I know nothing about them and should I just replace them for as cheap as really as you can get.

[00:33:34] Servos. So me personally, if, if I, if I’m getting an airplane that’s already got servos in it, or if I get a go to a swap heat- not buy a mess of servos or whatever. Here’s what I do: to test them, I’ll hook up a spare receiver to a to a fully charged receiver battery. I like to use these five cell nickel metal hydroids- I know I know everybody’s using lithium ion now. Anyway, I’ll hook them up to my radio and I’ll try each servo in every channel of my receiver.

[00:34:12] And the reason I do that is because so the proportional channels, your, let’s say, the gimbals on your transmitter, those are proportional. So I’ll run the servo slowly through the entire range of motion of that particular channel and then, usually, when you get to either channel five or six on the spectrum, that’s assigned to the flap switch or the gear switch on the transmitter and on my dx8 I think, the flap switch is a three position switch and the gear switch is a two position. So I’ll hook it up on those channels and I’ll run the switch one, two, three or

[00:34:47] One, two and it’ll make that servo go from full lock one way to full lock the other way, and if everything sounds good and everything looks good, then I’ll put the servos away in a ziploc bag. And that way whenever I pull a servo out of that ziploc bag, I know that it came from a sale or whatever, and it has not been in one of my airplanes yet any of the servos that come out of my airplanes I usually don’t take servos out of my airplanes. They usually either stay in my airplane or

[00:35:19] Yeah, they just stay in my airplane. Yeah, but anyway, when I put them, install them into the project, I will do a thorough range test. Range test, excuse me, with both the engine running and the engine not running, or if it’s an electric, I’ll cycle the power and make sure that.

[00:35:39] I mean that’s really all you can do is just test them under conditions like that, and even then sometimes it’s never a guarantee. A friend of mine- I think it was last summer- had spent a lot of time on a, on a newport kit from balsa, usa- I think it was a newport anyway- a big world war one biplane. You probably know who I’m talking about- and he had servos that he, they were his they, he had bought them when they were new but they were older servos and he had taken them.

[00:36:10] Out of other airframes or whatever and put them in this new project and range tested it. Range tested it with the engine running and this was a gasser, so it produced a lot of noise, electronic noise, and it passed all of those. And then, once he got it in the air, the right aileron servo- I can’t remember if it if it went full lock or if it was just going nuts, but eventually he got the airplane back but it was a. It was a bad servo and we had done everything we could to test it ahead of time and it passed all.

[00:36:44] Those tests. So unfortunately, you never know for sure a hundred percent, but generally speaking, if, if, if a servo will pass a static test, we’re just with the radio on the bench and then also a test, a dynamic test, let’s call it, with the engine running and everything, as if you were getting ready to fly it nine times out of well, 10, 99 times out of 100. It’s probably going to be okay. Yeah, I hope it’s better than 90 percent. Yeah, so I mean you’re, you’re never going.

[00:37:17] To be 100, sure, but in a case like this, with it’s an old trainer plane and you’re already not, you care about it a little, but not a lot. If it passes, if these servos pass those two tests.

[00:37:28] You’re fine okay yeah I’ll have to try and do that also in the next couple weeks yeah yep and I mean.

[00:37:37] You can do. You can do the same thing with receivers. You can do with receiver battery packs. They’re going to fail. When they fail sometimes, they’re not going to give you any.

[00:37:49] Kind of warning I’m saying yeah and sometimes it doesn’t even matter if they’re brand.

[00:37:52] New exactly I was just getting ready to say that yeah I do understand that it’s unfortunate but.

[00:37:59] Okay well that’s good at least I know what to look for when I when I start to go over that one yeah.

[00:38:03] Yeah, and when you, when you run them through the test, you just listen. You want to listen for any weird grinding or any clicking, especially like clicking is the first as it’s running through its motions. If you hear a clicking noise coming from the servo, yeah, just throw that servo away or buy a new gear set for that servo, if you can. Yeah, because those gears are just plastic. So most of them- yeah, yeah, I mean there’s a lot of metal gear servos out there now, but yeah, plastic, plastic gears- they will definitely make a clicking noise to tell you that.

[00:38:36] Hey, we need some attention, yeah, but I understand. I mean, I get there’s a lot of the metal ones, but usually those are going to be bought for a specific purpose and then you’re not going to find a lot of those on these older airplanes that you get like at swap meets or something like that, which might actually be where this came from. I wish I could remember where I got this. I do not remember where it came from, but yeah, so I like said I don’t know anything about where that one came from and it’s it’s old, so I’m sure it’s going to be just a plastic gear. So, yeah, yeah, just

[00:39:07] Listen when they’re, when they’re moving, they’ll tell you: okay, okay. So I think that is all that I have, so now I turn it over to you. It is your turn. Finally, tommy. All right, what did you get done this week? So nothing, no, I’m just teasing. Oh, we’re out of time, guys. Sorry, gotta go.

[00:39:28] No, I got some more work done on the horton kit boy. I’ll be glad when I’m when I’m done with it, because I’m so excited about the dualist project. I’ll be honest, but anyway, I did that. I did hold.

[00:39:38] On. I do want to interrupt. So that’s the only problem with this dualist thing. I thought that would be something kind of fun for us to build together, but I think you’re going to be too excited and you’re going to have it completely finished by the time we’re off this lockdown thing, and then that’s what you’re saying. So that’s my only concern, because we still have, what it looks like, almost three weeks left on the on the official lockdown, unless it’s extended. But who knows, I don’t know how it’s going now. So within three weeks you will probably have everything ordered you need, you’re going to get your wood delivered and then it’s going to be.

[00:40:09] Sitting there and you’re going to be like well I’m just going to put this together and then you’re.

[00:40:12] Going to be. Well, no, no, no, no. I have, I have made a deal with myself: I am not starting any projects until I am done with this, until I’m done with my part of this horton project- and to be honest I’m not exactly sure when my part is done- and in the oh the aircraft owners part begins. I’m still a little fuzzy on that. But anyway, okay, yeah, I promise there might be some hope. I will not start another project until this thing’s done. And speaking of this thing, I did get the

[00:40:46] Left, sorry, the right wing panel. I get confused because this thing is built upside down. The right panel is all sheeted. I have that, the servo access hatches cut and fitted. I have the drag rudder installation done. I just need to. Once I cut the sheeting away to expose the pocket, I just have the linkage to run and the push rods to make. I have the control surfaces cut away from the wing and I have the aileron hinged with the freeze style hinges. If anyone remembers the frustrations with

[00:41:21] That on the last one, on the other wing panel. So I made, I did make some progress and I’m hoping to make, but by the end of this weekend, by sunday night, I’m hoping to have all of the surfaces hinged and hopefully a good start on the finishing of the drag rudders and then when that’s done, then I can give both panels a good sanding, final sanding. I’ve got a few little dings and some mismatch sections that I need to kind of smooth out with a little, with a little putty.

[00:41:54] But hopefully next week I can have these panels ready to mate with the center section for the very first time and with the lockdown that’s going on, I’m not sure how that’s going to happen, because the center section isn’t here, it’s at the aircraft owner’s house. So hold on, aren’t you making my

[00:42:14] Point that you’re going to be finished with this you’re going to have all the wood for the doula.

[00:42:17] Sitting there and nothing on your desk. Well, I’m not going to lie. I am going to probably have the wood ordered for the, for the doula’s projects. Right, I’ll probably have it ordered, honestly, if not tomorrow, probably sunday. And yeah, I’ve got the plan sitting here and it’s very, very difficult to not clean off this, this mess of a bench I’ve got, and lay those plans up here on my building table.

[00:42:42] But I’m resisting. Well, maybe you can just go ahead and build yours and then, when all this is over, you can come out and help me build mine.

[00:42:54] Okay, so I’ll work through the kinks first, whatever. Okay, all right, now we’ll see. We’ll see what happens. I really, really want to finish this, this horn project, though, because it is a neat, it has been fun to build, but I’m, I’m, I’m ready to be done with it. Yeah, it’ll be nice to kind of get it.

[00:43:13] Get it off your desk and move on to something else yeah so and I’d like to do some flying sometime.

[00:43:19] Soon too, but now I’m working where I’m working. Now, through this, the covid response here I’m seven days with no days off, so I don’t I don’t have as much time as I had last.

[00:43:33] Week when I was working at home. Yeah, that’s seven days with no days off, but that’s not just one week, that’s multiple weeks in a row. So it’s not like you just yeah. It’s not like you’re just on for seven days, you’re on for two, three weeks at a time. Who knows yet. So yeah, I think, yeah, I think my

[00:43:50] My orders I think they’re they’re cut all the way through the 29th of this month I think so.

[00:43:57] Yes, it’s gonna be that for a while. Yeah, so this is friday, the 10th that we’re recording this. So, yeah, you, you still have 19 days, looks like. So almost three weeks, right, just to make you feel better. Three weeks, thanks. I appreciate that way to go. Yeah, so that’s cool, have you have?

[00:44:17] Anything else, I did actually manage on the. On the other project that I started before this one, before the horton, the, the linear invader, I did. I did get it finished. It’s it’s actually ready for paint. I decided to paint it and I think I- I think I may have mentioned last time that I was going to go for a kind of vietnam camo. Yeah, so it’s ready for paint. All the installation, all the stuff is done. Everything has been taken back out of the airframe in preparation for paint. So

[00:44:51] Yeah, when I get some time, I’m going to probably go to lowe’s or menards and find some latex paint that looks about the right color and then and then spray it with my detail gun and.

[00:45:03] And then come back and put a clear over it that’ll be nice I’m looking forward to that one too.

[00:45:08] I am too I it looks like it’s a really neat looking airplane I mean for being a plastic.

[00:45:15] Molded fuselage. It looks. It looks kind of cool, yeah. So okay, so you have that one. I know you’re working on a sop with camel too. So how many projects now? Why? Why did you have to mention that? So how many projects are you in the middle of? I’m just curious, because I know what I’m in the middle of and I’ll tell you. If you want to know, all right, but what? What are you? What are

[00:45:42] You in the middle of. Okay, so I’ve got the horton project. The linear is invader is almost done, but that’s that’s a project. It’s not finished. I do have a an old vk kit- a sop with camel- that I’ve been working on for I’m gonna say years. Okay, I think I started actually building the thing about five years ago, but it’s such a it’s such a pretty kit I almost hate to cover it. If anybody’s familiar with vk and proctor enterprises, their kits are museum quality most of them and they

[00:46:15] They’re just beautiful to look at with no covering on them. But that, I mean, that’s the excuse I’d like to say why it’s not covered. But it’s not covered because I’m lazy, to be honest. Well, do you?

[00:46:25] Think you’re ever going to actually cover it too covered, or do you think you want to, might leave, or you might want to leave that one open and actually have it be just like a display thing.

[00:46:33] Oh no I want to fly it I mean I’ve spent too much money on the running gear it has a sato.

[00:46:39] Three-cylinder radial. Did I mention that? Yeah, see, that’s what I. I want to hear that run. So I’m I’m excited for that. But my excitement has kind of dwindled over the last several years.

[00:46:48] Right, but no so. So I’ve got that project and then and then I got an email from somebody who was listening to us that kind of sparked an interest in another project that I had actually kind of forgotten about. I’ve got a house of balsa p51. It’s a combat mustang. It’s a half a sized mustang that I- I should probably. I mean it’s almost finished, I mean I just have to put some trim on it. And well, probably now I have to replace a battery, because it’s been in this state for probably.

[00:47:21] 10 Years but anyway that’s that’s it’s just those it’s just those four everything else I have.

[00:47:27] Is flyable what’s half a size because I remember seeing that one like when I walked down there and.

[00:47:33] It’s pretty small. From what I remember it is: yep. Yeah, so half a refers to- honestly, I don’t know what half a means, but it was a. It was a, a term that was used to describe anything that was kind of powered by a cox 049. So we’re talking 0.049 Cubic inches. Yeah, so that was kind of in what we called the half a class. Maybe somebody can send us an email and say, hey, half a meant this, but. But it refers, generally speaking, to a very, very small size airframe and these particular airplanes.

[00:48:09] They were designed for combat. They were, I think they were designed for two channel, because cox 049s didn’t have a throttle, so you basically had elevator and rudder and you actually tied streamers to the back of these things and you could either combat them- they made several, they made an messerschmitt, I think 109, they made the p51. There was a chipmunk that was part of this scale, but yeah, they were. They were just small airplanes designed for two channels.

[00:48:41] Mine has three. I put a, a, 10, an os, 10 fp in it, so it has throttle, and I did away with the rudder and I went with the ailerons. Oh, I can see that. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so, and one of these days it wouldn’t take much to finish it, honestly. In fact, I could probably replace the battery now, fuel it up and I could probably fly it as it is. It’s completely covered. It just doesn’t have any trim or markings or anything like that on it. Yeah, I just- it sticks out in my mind of being

[00:49:14] Small and like, not decorated. So that makes sense. And if, yeah, if it’s just perfect sense, yeah, yeah. So that’s why I just remember almost hitting my head on it when I walked down there. So that’s yeah, that’s why I think that one sticks out so much, right, but yeah, it’s interesting. Yeah, I really need to do.

[00:49:33] Something about my airplane storage situation because, yeah, I hit my head on the, on the poor kristin eagle down there transitioning between my shop and the laundry room. Yeah, that poor airplane’s got more hanger rash than most of my other ones. Yeah, well, that which, speaking of the kristin eagle, I ordered a battery for it. So I was. I was at one time thinking of converting it back to glow, but I bit the bullet and ordered a battery. Cool, where’d you get that?

[00:50:06] So I’m almost ashamed to admit it, I’m a cheapskate. I ordered that battery and so, just real quick. I was going through all my batteries, getting ready for the flying season, going through airframes and batteries, and I discovered that most of my LiPo batteries, due to neglect on my part and not storing them properly, had gone off and gone off. I mean, they didn’t explode, but most of them wouldn’t take a charge. Most well, all of them were puffy. So I decided

[00:50:39] What? Yeah, I’ve had these batteries a while. I’m just gonna go ahead and replace them. These little three cell 2100s are cheap enough from hobby king. So anyway, I ordered a bunch of batteries and I.

[00:50:51] Ordered them from hobby king. I went the cheap. Yeah, I don’t see anything wrong with that. I mean, that’s where I’ve gotten a lot of mine before and they, they have been good batteries for me. Yeah, I, I to be.

[00:51:01] Completely frank. I have knock on wood. I have not had any issues whatsoever with any of the batteries that I’ve bought from hobby king. Now I will say I’ve had several issues with servos that I’ve bought from there. But I mean, when you’re paying two dollars for a servo, I mean you gotta kind of expect that.

[00:51:25] Yeah whenever I buy like the nine gram servos from them I double up I figure on one being bad for.

[00:51:32] Every one that I use. Yeah, and the one and the one issue I think I mentioned in the transmitter episode. I think it was about going cheap on the receivers. I did go cheap on the receiver once, and it came from hobby king. It was one of those orange ones and that’s the one that ultimately caused the demise of that, of that pretty red and yellow extra. So, but aside from that, it

[00:52:02] Operated flawlessly until that flight. That wasn’t. That wasn’t an extra, was it? What’s that? That wasn’t an extra was I thought that was an edge. Was that the one that you got from me? Yeah, it was, yeah, okay.

[00:52:13] I get the two confused. I’m sorry, but yeah, it was the. It was the red and yellow edge. Yeah, I do too. I really like that airplane I miss. I did too. I’d love to find another one. That was a great flying airplane.

[00:52:24] It’s amazing actually, the more we talk, the more you always talk about I never crash. I never crash, but you’ve gone through a lot of planes like that.

[00:52:33] I mean let’s, because I’ve been doing it for such a long time. Oh, maybe that’s it okay. So in the last 10 years- I’ll just put it out there- in the last 10 years five airplanes of mine have crashed. And you notice, I said five airplanes of mine. I didn’t say I crashed five airplanes. Only one of those really was pilot error. The other ones were equipment failure. Does that include the one of mine?

[00:53:05] You wrecked yes okay pizza box yeah yes it includes that one okay I’ll I’ll give you that one not being.

[00:53:14] Your fault. But I will also say that all the times I’ve flown it, which was a lot, I never had a problem. Thanks, that doesn’t make me feel any better. Well, no, that’s fine, but I’m not blaming you, good, because I don’t feel guilty. Well, you shouldn’t. It was like a dollar fifty worth of foam.

[00:53:38] Yeah, but no, I’m okay. So you’ve got five I’m trying to go through and I don’t remember- and maybe I’m blocking them out purposefully, not remembering things, but I can only think of like two or three in the last 10 years that I’ve gone through. Oh man, yeah, I can remember every single.

[00:53:53] One in the last 10 years mostly because they were so painful because they were such nice airplanes.

[00:54:00] Yeah, see, I remember. I don’t remember what it was, but that one I got from you that we talked about before, that I crashed because it didn’t behave the same way I expected it to the katana, thank you, there was that one, I know. I crashed a super sportster and that was completely my fault when I was flying at home. Before I moved the runway to where it is now. It was a lot closer to where you literally had to land, probably within 20 feet, in order to get.

[00:54:32] Stopped before you, literally, were flying right into a row of trees and I didn’t get stopped and landed when I was supposed to and I overshot the runway a little bit and went into the trees and it, just it, folded the wings in half. That’s the, the, the fuselage. I have the, the tail end of it, hanging up in my dining room. That one, yes, yes, the decorative wall art piece. I can’t believe I put that up as a joke and that’s been like seven years ago. I know it’s funny.

[00:55:02] I know I keep expecting like my wife to yell at me and be like, why is that still there? But she is so cool she hasn’t said a word about it. Maybe she doesn’t see it anymore. I don’t know, because I guess I don’t really pay much attention to it either. It’s been there so long that you just don’t see it anymore. But yeah, so those is. That is that all I, all I can really think of, actually, I’m sure

[00:55:24] There’s, there’s been more, but yeah, we can’t really count the don’t don’t count the foamies. That aren’t really crashes. When you door come in and you put a piece of tape on and you fly it again, that’s not really a crash. We’re talking about crashes where you’ve destroyed an airplane to the point where it’s a major rework to get it going again. Well, even like that, that,

[00:55:45] First, that first airplane I ever had, that, the three-channel super cub. Even when I got rid of that it was still on the original fuselage and original wing. I mean I never, I never messed that one up badly. I mean we, we, we know some people that have folded those in half and stuff on landing and stuff, but I never did so. I don’t, I don’t know of oh god, I’m sure there’s other ones, but I can’t think of anything else. So your, your number is much higher than mine. Yeah well, I mean I’m going back 10.

[00:56:18] Years. So well, me too, because that’s, I mean, that’s, that’s since I started the hobby. Yeah, I mean, you’ve only been in for 12, not even no eight, because I started in 2012 and it’s 2020 now, so that’s.

[00:56:32] Pretty good your entire career that’s pretty good but your entire career is eight years my entire career.

[00:56:39] Is well more than that yeah but you’re only talking 10 years so I don’t know but I mean if we were going.

[00:56:48] By careers then you’re double digits percentage wise yeah I think I’m in pretty good.

[00:56:56] Shape but anyway yeah well yeah you do fly a lot of other people’s stuff too I mean they come to you.

[00:57:04] A lot to have them and I will say I feel pretty good about the fact that none of the crashes in the last 10 years have been. I think I did crash one of the club members maybe. Maybe I’ll have to revisit that, but anyway, yeah, generally speaking, yeah, I’ve been. I’ve been pretty good, got a pretty.

[00:57:29] Good record with club member airplanes, which is good. Yeah, and I’ll, I’ll give you mine to maiden. Most of the time too, I’m, I, I think one reason I don’t. I don’t want to say crash, but one reason I don’t crash as much or have as many problems: I’m very careful when I fly and what I fly. If it’s if, if, if there’s anything just a little bit too wrong, or yeah, if it’s too windy or something like that, I, I won’t do it. I’m not, I’m not so gung-ho that I have to go out and take chances.

[00:58:01] When I know I shouldn’t. So that’s, that’s probably one that you are very cautious, yeah. Yeah, that’s probably one thing that’s helped me before too. I mean, there’s a lot of times we’ll go out to the field and stuff, and you’ll be like, here, you want to fly this plane. I’m like no, and you’re like you’re fine, you can do it, and you’re not going to crash it, and I’m just like no, that’s okay, it’s yours. Yeah, have at it. I don’t like flying other people’s stuff either. So, yeah, just because I would feel bad if I did something, then I would have to feel like I owe them another airplane and have to go replace it, and if it’s not an airplane I would buy for myself. I definitely don’t want to.

[00:58:32] Buy it for somebody else. Yeah, no, I, I understand it and it’s I don’t. I don’t experience. I don’t want to say no guilt when I fly other folks airplanes, but usually it’s. It’s usually somebody I know really well and either I’ve done some work on that particular airplane or I know in my head that if I don’t fly it’s not going to make it back in one piece. Yeah, if that makes sense. Yeah, I understand and I’m not bragging, I’m not. I’m not like an expert pilot or anything like that.

[00:59:08] But we do have some of our older club members that they, let’s just say, their reflexes may not be what they used to. And on a, on a maiden you, you want to be pretty.

[00:59:20] Sharp yeah you gotta you gotta be ready for whatever’s going to happen right so I’m still.

[00:59:27] Young enough to where I still have some reflexes left so there yeah I had to laugh because.

[00:59:33] In those pictures we posted online. I did okay. So the pictures we posted online. When I, when I, when I went through and was looking at them, all I saw in most of the pictures there were your cheater glasses sitting right on the table. Yep, yep, yeah. So I laughed a little bit at that when I was like, oh,

[00:59:53] He’s getting old yep busted, but yeah, yeah, so I wear contact lenses, but in order to see detail up close. Yeah, I’ve got, I’ve got my cheaters, so yeah. So contacts and glasses, that’s great, yes.

[01:00:11] Yes, yes, oh well I. I just looked at the clock and we’re going on around an hour and I was not planning on, I was not planning on doing that at all tonight. I was thinking we’d be over in about 20.

[01:00:22] Minutes or so we have that’s good I mean I think I think I got I think I got all the updates and.

[01:00:27] You got me all sidetracked on all my projects, so this was fun though I enjoyed this, anything else you want to, you want to talk about or cover before we? We say goodbye, nope, no, I think, I think that

[01:00:40] Pretty much covers everything we’ve got accomplished here this week all right good deal.

[01:00:46] Then we’re going to get busy on some more stuff and hopefully have more to report next week, and until then, I’m Ron and I’m Tom. Goodbye, goodbye. We hope you enjoyed this episode of the rc.

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