Ep 44: Winter is Coming, and more Duellist Updates
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Episode 44 · Originally released November 21, 2020 · Hosts: Ron and Tom
The hosts discuss preparing for winter flying and continue documenting progress on their twin-engine Pica Duellist builds.
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00:38 — The sixteen-second editing mishap
10:32 — Cold-weather flying considerations
21:05 — Winter care for batteries and equipment
31:37 — Duellist construction updates
42:09 — Solving build and fit problems
52:42 — Upcoming work and closing thoughts
Episode Topics
The sixteen-second editing mishap
Cold-weather flying considerations
Winter care for batteries and equipment
Duellist construction updates
Solving build and fit problems
Upcoming work and closing thoughts
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[0:34] Now here are your hosts, Ron and Tom. 16 seconds of silence. 16 whole seconds. 16 seconds. 16 seconds of nothing but dead air silence silence so I'm gonna start off this episode by apologizing to everybody that downloaded last week's episode and started off with 16 16 seconds of silence that's completely on me and i'm sorry about that you heard it here folks ron doesn't seldom make mistakes but he did last week hold on you just said i
[1:13] ron doesn't seldom make mistakes i thought that that that's saying ron always makes mistakes i was hoping you wouldn't catch that i definitely did you did nothing gets by you except 16 seconds of silence yeah so i'm sorry about that apparently that's my fault and when i was doing the editing it i just forgot to take the 16 seconds of silence out of the beginning of the episode
[1:38] it has been fixed and re-uploaded however i think people are still downloading somehow the old file whatever just so if you downloaded last week's episode and got 16 seconds of silence i apologize well if you didn't you could say this yeah you could say that you did it on purpose so that you could have 16 seconds to reflect on last the week prior's episode so that you could have 16 seconds to reflect on the week prior's episode so that
[2:06] you're starting fresh on the new episode. I don't know. I'm grasping. I'm trying to help you out. That's not helping at all. And I would like to thank, by the way, our friend Joe over at the AviationRC Noob Podcast. He's the one that pointed it out to me by sending me a text at 3.30 in the morning. Joe, I swear I was already awake, so don't worry about it. Hey, Joe, if you're listening, you have my permission to text Ron at 3.30 anytime you like. Any day you like.
[2:33] I was going to say at 3.30 anytime you like. Any day, every day, even if you want to. There you go. It's fine with me. No, but anyway, thank you for pointing it out. Otherwise, I would have had no clue. But it's fixed, I think. Somewhat fixed. We're good. I don't know. But we're going to move on now. So, yeah. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I am Ron. And I'm Tom. 16th. No, I'm just kidding. Ron really feels bad about it. I do. I really don't like making mistakes.
[3:05] As soon as I walked in this evening to get started, that was the first thing that you wanted to talk about. It was. You really were upset about making that mistake. mistakes happen, I know, but I don't like when I do it. I'm okay when other people make mistakes, but I don't like being the one to do it. Well, I don't think anyone likes it.
[3:25] Some people. I don't like making mistakes either. Well, you don't like being the one to do it well i don't think anyone likes it some people i don't like i don't like making mistakes either well you don't do any editing and stuff so you can't make a mistake well not as far as that no but just in in life no you're right i don't like making mistakes either but all right it was good of you to own it well that's the only way to do it, right? Exactly. Otherwise, anyway.
[3:46] Honesty is always the best policy. Truer words have never been spoken. Well, old and wise. Old is definitely true. Thanks. So, dualist updates. Yeah. Well, let's get into that really quick. What did you get down on yours? Hey, before I get into my dualist update. So, let's not get into my dualist updates. Okay. I's get into that really quick. What did you get done on yours? Hey, before I get into my dualist update. So let's not get into dualist updates. Okay.
[4:05] By the way, I did get a lot done. So I'm really excited to talk about my updates. But before I do that, I want to hit up the forums again. Tell all of our listeners that there's been some activity on the forums, which we like to see. We always want to see more. So there's stuff that I've put out there. There's stuff that you've put out there. There's stuff that you've put out there. There's stuff that other forum members have put out there. We'd like to really see that take off.
[4:30] So if you've got a minute, go hit the forums up. There's a link right on the RSA Plane Lab webpage. It's easy to find. Yes. And post pictures of your airplanes. We've been hitting you guys up for, and gals, up for airplane pictures. Can't get enough of them. Keep them coming. So, yeah. With that out of the way, I'll talk about my dualist updates. Okay. I got a ton of work done. Really? I really did. What'd you do? Well, the wing is nearly ready for covering.
[5:08] Really? I mean, it's nearly really close i've got just a few really minor things like the wing tips that'll be maybe an hour's worth of work and i have to finish up my ailerons and that won't be much work either so really super excited i got a lot done i had five days off over the weekend. So I actually got to work on the duals for a couple of days, solid days, like from the time I got up to the time I went to bed with a few breaks in between. Yeah, it was awesome.
[5:35] Well, color me jealous. So where do I start with the update? So I think the last update I gave everyone was you cut the formers for the nacelles for me, and I think I may have had them glued together. Well, not only are they glued together, the nacelles are complete. They're assembled. They are fitted and glued to the wing. They are now integral structures of the wing. The engines I decided on a mounting that was satisfactory to me. I sort of made a compromise. They're not upright,
[6:10] and they're not side-mounted. They're almost kind of a hybrid side-slash-invert mount. And the reason I did that is because I wanted the tune pipes to run center right down the nacelle on the bottom. So they're in line with the nacelle along with oh so when the exhaust comes out it literally goes equidistant from the fuselage center line look at you go big word about that nice full disclosure i had to do it that way because
[6:40] i wanted to mount them on their side i'm not a huge fan of inverted mounted engines obviously for obvious reasons some of the issues we had with the Telemaster yeah and various other i wanted to mount them on their side i'm not a huge fan of inverted mounted engines obviously for obvious reasons some of the issues we had with the Telemaster yeah and various other engines over the years inverted engines i i just try to avoid them when i can so they don't seem to run as well
[6:56] i mean it's possible to get them but sometimes it's harder to figure it out it's more difficult especially to get them tuned correctly you like to tinker so that. But you like to tinker, so that's okay, right? I do like to tinker. But on this particular project, I was going for side mounted. And the problem with that is on the right-hand engine, on the number two engine, having the engine on its side put the pipe directly in line with the right main landing gear.
[7:23] So then I was going to have to either do something weird with the pipe and put it at an angle, and I didn't like the looks of that. So then I was like, excuse me. Apparently, then I was like, burp. Wow. I was so distraught that I burped. No, anyway, so laying the engine on its side wasn't going to work for the number two engine. And putting them upright, I didn't like the looks of having the pipes mount. I mean, they would be offset.
[7:49] Like the right engine, the exhaust would be over on the right-hand side. Well, then the left engine would also be on the right-hand side. It just didn't look right. So then the next best option was to kind of side invert. They're almost like at a 45 degree angle between inverted and side mounted. And that put the pipes right straight down the center line of the nacelle. And it actually looks really, really cool. Yeah, I bet it would. So yeah, I've got the nacelle done.
[8:17] All of the sanding is done. So I stuck with the plan profile. So I have them shaped, teardrop shape, just like the plans. And I have the cool, cut out where like a exhaust would be, on like a turboprop engine. Oh, like on the side of where it would be? Yeah. Okay. So those are there. And it looks really cool. And I got to tell you, if you don't own a belt sander and you plan on building a lot of Balsa airplanes, get one. Yeah.
[8:50] Man, I cannot tell you how happy I was to have that thing and how short it made that whole process. Only problem, though, it's very easy to over sand. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. I've done it before. Oh, I have, too. But I've done it with the sanding block before too oh really yeah especially with soft balsa and I was dealing with some really really soft balsa which that helped the process too but so with soft balsa it's easy to repair it because
[9:21] you can always add more balsa to it and then sand it back down which is a good way of doing still with a belt sander even if you have to do that once or twice it's still faster than slaving away with a sanding block with down in your basement creating all this dust yeah so belt sander if you don't own one that should be our tool of the week everybody should who's going to build balsa airplanes should have one of these things even a little
[9:44] small one like the little i think to make a three inch one that's really really tiny even that it would be so much so handy to have in the workshop now when you say belt sander do you mean the handheld belt sander that is like a belt sander or do you mean like the tabletop mounted yeah i'm talking about the tabletop one that has the belt and then it also has a disc on it yeah
[10:04] mounted yeah i'm talking about the tabletop one that has the belt and then it also has a disc on yeah on the like a four inch sander kind of thing exactly yeah those are very nice oh man yeah made made such quick work of that just marked my outline what i wanted the shape to look like and sanded to the outline and then did some smoothing rounding the edges all of that on the belts and i i really didn't spend much time with a sanding block by hand on my
[10:25] nacelles. Yeah, that's handy. Which is awesome. That's what I get to do this week on my fuselage. Yeah. Fire up your belt sander. I plan on it. Yeah. I was out there with my nacelles doing the same thing, but I didn't have nearly as much shaping to do as you did. Right. Since I'm going with more of the square look right right also known as the lazy look i wasn't going to say that no but you thought it well maybe i thought it a
[10:50] little bit a lot but that's okay but yeah so the nacelles are are glued to the wing they're permanently attached i also built the throttle servo mounts they're sort of buried in the leading edge of the wing that's kind of in the nacelle area if that makes sense so how are you going to be able to get to those do you have a hatch I built hatches nice yeah that's something else I did I built hatches on the bottom and the
[11:16] top so the complete I'm really proud of this actually the whole bottom of the nacelle that that cap that I that you glue on to the to the box structure after you're gonna build yeah instead of gluing mine on I mounted mine via nylon screws like wing bolts think of nylon wing bolts sure and it's completely removing it and I tabbed it so that it would line up perfectly
[11:41] every time you took it off and put it back on i'm really happy with it now i see why you make fun of my build because i'm just so simple oh well it's basic it was twofold right so i wanted i wanted to have access to the to the throttle servos obviously to set them up and i didn't want just a partial hatch because i feel like one solid piece that's solidly bolted in place is more stout or structurally maintains integrity better than having one piece that's glued and then a
[12:14] smaller hatch piece i feel like you're breaking up the integrity of the structure maybe not i don't know it could be i guess but the way i the way i put mine together, it's very, very solid. And then once you put the cap on it and screw them in place, the things… And it was nice also because I had a nice access. When I went to glue the nacelles on, I had access to all that interior space that I could add fillets of epoxy inside. So you will… To really strengthen it.
[12:41] You'll have to give me pictures to post. I will. Yep. Because I'm not quite following exactly what you're talking about so yeah i'll i'll be interested to see it so i can actually put pictures with your words okay yeah pictures with my pictures with your words so we can see what you're talking about yeah and yeah i'll i'll have those up then if you send them to
[13:00] me by the time this goes live yeah my my plan was to send them. I was making notes, and I've got a lot of pictures to send you. Wonderful. Time for you to learn. I have a lot of captions to write. But anyway, yeah, so there's a big, big one-piece hatch on the bottom, and then on the top, there's a smaller hatch for the fuel tank areas okay which are also built and fuel proofed wow so you have actually been busy good I really have although it's I I mean I've said this I've
[13:32] said this a few times it doesn't look like to look at where I started before the weekend and then where I'm finished to look at it if if you didn't know what it took to get it just doesn't look like much because i did i still haven't even started the fuselage which is i'm getting to that in a minute but okay so yeah i got the nacelles done i got the engines mounted i had to so because i'm using those old
[13:58] irvine engines the crankshaft diameters the crankshafts themselves are the same diameter, but Irvine changed sometime through the manufacturing and production of these engines. They went from a, I call it a stub shaft. K&Bs were known for this too. So the crankshaft comes out of the engine, and it's a really, really large diameter. In this case, it's 3-8ths. And then it has an actual threaded part of the rest of the crankshaft that threads into that.
[14:27] And then you either, you either Loctite it or whatever. And they did that so that if you, the theory was, if you crashed and bent your crankshaft, you would bend that stub shaft. It's almost like a stud, right? Like an exhaust stud on a car. Kind of the same idea. So you would bend that. So instead of having to replace an entire crankshaft after a crash you would just replace this stub shaft and go about your business
[14:52] well irvine went away from that design sometime through the manufacturing or through the production of that engine and then went to a standard all threaded crankshaft all the way down and you have one of each so i have right i have one of each for one of the spinners i had to modify the back plate i had to board out to three eighths of an inch which i got to use my other new to me tool my drill press got that all
[15:15] indicated and got it bored perfectly centered so i don't have any wobble when i mount the spinner and then i had to trim the three spinner cone or the two spinner cones because i'm going to use three bladed props so i got to trim those to fit the props that i'm planning on using too so i got all of that done which visually is not a lot of progress but it's time consuming and nonetheless done well it was a good weekend for it weather-wise i mean it was
[15:43] windy yes all get out there was no flying for me this weekend whatsoever no and it's been that way for like the last i don't know four weeks it seems like a weekend yeah it seems like every time i have timed where i could go fly if i wanted to it's too windy to fly yeah i mean it's been terrible lately yeah i don't remember any fall being this dry and windy, although we did get a little bit of rain this weekend. Yeah. Folks, let me tell you, it's been dry for months around here.
[16:11] Well, what was Saturday? I think 45-mile-an-hour wind gusts? Sunday. Was that Sunday? Whatever it was. Yeah, it was really bad. That's crazy. Just wow. Yeah. So the wing right now is sitting on my bench with two layers of fiberglass cloth which i know you wanted to me to show you how i did that but i i wanted to get it done well you can show me on mine but i can yeah yeah we'll do it on yours but anyway that's
[16:39] i've got two layers a short narrow layer and then another wider layer going over the top of that so my center section is is pretty much done i just i'll have to do the final sanding get it smooth and then what else oh the yeah i'll have to do the wing tips but i have the blocks ready for those and i think i'm going to hollow them out oh yeah i think so yeah i mean i can see doing
[16:59] that i guess that'll save a little bit of weight and then I just have some fuel proofing to do in the cowling areas. And that's really it. And then mount everything. The four servos, two aileron servos and the two throttle servos and run the linkages. And, I mean, it's ready to cover. Look at you go. I'm really excited. I'm so happy to be where I'm at with this wing. Yeah. Because it's been such a long time working on it. It has.
[17:24] I want to get to the tri-mot wing. Yeah. Because it's been such a long time working on it. It has. I want to get to the tri-motor. Right. So then additionally, I got the horizontal stab is pretty much done, sanded, ready for covering. I've got the vertical stab trimmed to the outline on the plan, and that's pretty much ready to cover so really what's next for me is the fuselage and speaking of that you were kind enough to loan me the
[17:51] base that you were using for your adjuster jig nope i didn't loan you anything i told you i'll cut myself another one that's yours okay so i have destroyed it well i didn't destroy it no i know so funny story ron has like all the space in the world to work on his airplanes. He can, he's got room for, he could build a half scale airplane in the place that he has to work. Now, I would not say that, but yes, I am lucky in the amount of room that I'm allowed to have. It's not so much allowed.
[18:21] I mean, Lori would let me have as much as i asked for but we only have so much space in the house anyway so once i got the base that you cut for your adjuster jig home and mounted mine to it actually i didn't even mount my jig to it i set it on the table i've been using and it over the overhang from the table was such that it was actually blocking the door for my son to get in and out of his bedroom so obviously that's not going to work so i did have to
[18:49] trim a little bit off of either end yeah i think when i cut that it ended up being like 94 inches the base was itself yeah and that's yeah and that's okay it's and i i'm glad to be gone or that it's gone because i didn't because I didn't do that when exactly how I… Think it through? No, it was perfect. For me, it worked great. But I didn't get it exactly how I wanted to. Whenever you build something, and it's a base. I know it's just a base for a tool.
[19:20] But whenever you do it, after you use it the first first time you realize things you wish you would have changed and done a little bit differently yes like so i i cut it on a cnc machine out of one inch plywood and i ended up cutting a slot in it to hold like the the the shoe box what's it called not shoe box but the the clear little tub yeah that has all the extra pieces that go to it and that way when i store it i can just store it all in there well after i did that the first
[19:51] time now we have cut or we not cut we've made the the standoffs for the the fuselage and i have a couple extra other rods that need to be stored with it and i didn't cut any slots for those to be stored nor did i cut another like place to put a second tote so now i can actually go back or go back redesign it have two totes on it and a slot to store the the the rods that'll be good so yeah i'm glad to be gone with that one yeah which by the way the tote
[20:25] little plastic tub thing fits perfect yeah mine is apparently exactly like a little sterile light totes or whatever because it dropped in there i was like oh that's cool and it's great for storage like i said once it once we're done with it and not using it i'll be able to store it i may actually put a couple of screws in mine to hold it there permanently maybe no you don't want to do that
[20:43] because then if you're if you're building something long like if your wings longer than where that that tote is going to be you're not going to flip it around oh because when you build a wing on there you can flip that upside down and get to it so yeah true okay that's why i want it to be removable yeah well i won't have the luxury of storing it all in one piece like like you have you could no because even then i think it would
[21:06] hang down far enough to where i'd hit my head on it in my basement i don't have as tall ceilings as you do here well but no no no so the way that is designed it sits up in between the rafters you literally leave it together yes and you put it up in the rafters and it hangs an inch lower than your rafters because it will go all the way up to the rafters. That's why I designed it that way. Do you have two by eight rafters? I don't know.
[21:29] So my floor joists in my house, there's no way that the two stanchions on either end of that are going to fit completely up in my between joists. Mine do if you flip the thing over. So like when the adjusto jig is up, it's tall no i'm i'm tracking okay but the the stanchions the one on the other end the plastic pieces those are well i haven't measured them but i don't think there's any way that those are going to fit up in between i think my four drawers are only two by six or
[22:03] maybe even maybe even two by eight i don't know they're not bigger than i've never measured it doesn't matter but all i know is that it does fit up in there for mine and that even if it doesn't for yours it might stick down an extra two inches that's true and that like like i said to me to have that stored up out of the way to where i don't need it yeah it's just so much easier so that that's that was my whole plan
[22:23] behind doing that i may be able to do that like i'm sure there's some stuff i can maybe move around or sell or whatever to make room for that because it would be handy to leave that in one piece and then i know if i had to take it apart every time i wanted to use it i would probably not want to put it together i hadn't really thought that far ahead i was so happy to get it to get my adjuster jig out and mount it to the base that i really
[22:46] haven't even thought about what i'm going to do when i'm done with this particular project do you have it mounted yet i mean do you have it right yeah yeah awesome do you have any of the stuff on i do i've got all the stanchions that you printed for me those are on it are they lined are they
[22:59] lined up yet what do you mean well you have to space them just no i haven't done that yet oh no they're just on there okay just to and i put five on each rod you got the big steel and yeah it was way longer than i needed to be so what do you mean so like i think six of the formers will fit on one of those oh rods and then i still centered mine though oh did you yeah i don't know why it just made more sense to me to center it that way if i needed to get like to one side i
[23:31] could easily get to one i don't know that makes sense actually i can't well i mean i can but because of the confined space where i'm working one end of it ends up being really close to the wall so i'm probably going to go ahead and move mine all the way to one end which is where i'm working one end of it ends up being really close to the wall so i'm probably going to go ahead and move mine all the way to one end which is where i have good light also okay but
[23:52] yeah i mean whatever works but anyway yeah so i mounted my jig it's on the base the base has been trimmed to fit on my workbench and to not like cause a impedance to my son's flow when he goes through. Really, that was more for me than him because I didn't want him coming out of his room one night and having a fuselage about half built and then him knocking it off the table or whatever. No, that's a good idea. I mean, let's try and make that not happen. Right. But yeah, it's assembled.
[24:25] It's on the building board. I've got the stanchions on it. And then I was getting ready to put the fuselage formers and get them spaced out last night, and I ran out of time. It happens. But I'm at a fresh starting point. what I mean? So anytime I have time, I can get down and i know i mean i'm ready to go so that's that's where i'm at with the duelist i'm really excited like i said it doesn't look like
[24:50] a lot of progress but it's it was a lot of work and actually a lot of fun with that bell sander well the fuselage should be pretty quick for you i mean like at least to get to the point where i am so when you put your formers on and put your stringers on, I mean, that's 20 minutes worth of work. I mean, there's nothing to it. So, and that's how mine sat for quite a while because I didn't really get back to working on it.
[25:15] But now that I've got back to it, I've got the sheets on it, so it's sheeted. But, see, I need to talk to you before I do stuff because i like i get into a hurry and i'm like okay i'm going to try and get this done so that when he comes out he can be like oh my god you're you're way ahead of me now kind of thing yeah it's a competition yeah i know but it's not i don't know why i do that sorry i catch myself all the time i know i i think i have yourself
[25:41] doing that all the time because that's you're into that you're competitive you don't want to admit it but you are i have a fear of being left behind i'm not going to leave you behind well i might i don't know no but january one right that's that's our new goal well that's dude i think that's doable i think so too i think that's doable especially after all the progress that we've had over the last couple weeks yeah Yeah. And I, by the way. If we can maintain that.
[26:05] I have the week of Christmas off. So I have a full week. Oh, you son of a gun. I know, right? And then we have the Thanksgiving holiday. That's four days coming up too. You may have to come over and work on mine for me because I have to work that way. Do you really want me to do that though? You've seen the quality of my work. You've seen the quality of my work. Do you want me to do that?
[26:22] I'm going to address that right now so oh i made fun of no don't be scared i made fun of you in jest about the quality of your of your horizontal stab i'm gonna go back and retract some of that ribbing because your horizontal stab is every bit as good as mine. I quickly looked at a couple of your glue joints and I was like, oh, wow, look at that gap. And then, and I applied that logic to your whole stab, but your stab actually looks pretty doggone good, except why? Stop it. Why?
[27:02] The trailing edge. I don't know. I don't know why. So Ron rounded off the trailing edge i don't know i don't know why the trailer i rounded off his trailing edge folks of his stab but you say that like everybody's gonna be like oh my gosh i can't believe you did that i just think it's funny i don't under okay so because clearly you didn't look at the plan does the plan say leave it square yes there's a cross section of it on the plan oh is there oh yeah well that's my fault then
[27:27] i don't know i was out on the belt sand and i was like oh this is round rounded that one too but there's enough material there that's a thick enough piece to where i can just go ahead and but then you're saying that shorter just saying no because i already added like an inch and a half to the back of it over yours. But you're going to have to sand off at least a half an inch to take off that rounding job. I will not. My goodness. Sorry. But anyway, my point is your build quality is fine.
[27:57] It really is. And I aim for fine. That's all I can say. I don't want to go over fine. It's good. I don't know if I'd say that. It's good. It's passable. Like, I would have no problems asking you to build a wing or a fuselage or a whole nice tab for me if I couldn't do it for some reason. What, just on, like, a project you didn't care about? No, on any project. Maybe not the dualist, but any other project. No, and it's, like I said i said i build for myself i don't want
[28:27] to spend a whole bunch of time on it and this one like i said i want to get through so we can move on to something else right i'm enjoying it don't get me wrong right but this is not learning a lot i am you really are and that's that's one thing that that i'm hoping to apply and you get better as you do things so So the more we build, the better I'll be. But with the fuselage, what I was going to say is, so I got the sheeting on,
[28:53] and I wasn't quite sure how I wanted to do it because there's the compound curves. And that's very difficult. Very difficult. I think. Especially eighth inch balsa. Right, to actually get that to where it's nice and curvy, to where it follows. So I use the wing bag, or not the wing bag, I use the vacuum bag again. And that actually, I think, worked pretty good, except I'm gonna need to get a new bag because I have so many holes in that. Lots of holes.
[29:21] There's just tiny holes, and it just happens from use. obviously that stuff comes on a roll, so it's not like a thing where you just buy it and use it over and over and over again. Right. But I don't have that much left, so I'm kind of stuck with what I have until I buy more. But anyway, so my vacuum pump, which the first time I used it, it ran like once every hour and a half. It would have that much of a leak to where it just ran very little.
[29:47] This time it was about every minute and a half. Oh, boy. Okay. So big leaks. Yeah. But it was able to hold pressure and stuff. And I didn't realize until you came out and said something about spraying it with Windex with ammonia. Yeah, that's my bad. I should have at least talked about that before you. Well, and you might have already. Like, I don't store everything that we talk about, even though I probably should. But anyway, so there's like a
[30:17] lot of the balsa I think is under like a decent amount of stress, and I'm hoping it'll stay, which I don't know why it wouldn't, because mean the glue is on there pretty good yeah but yeah so other than that i mean i think it looks pretty good i just need to go out and get it sanded down and stuff on the belt sander again and and we'll see how it turns out the fuselage slides you might want to do that by hand because
[30:39] well that's only you're only dealing with eighth of an inch of balls are there so yeah i was more talking about the very top oh yeah yeah yeah for sure the turtle deck where that's getting around yeah yeah that's that's about center that is very much i mean i i did that long because i knew that was quarter inch balls on there and it's got to be right sanded down to shape so that's my plan on that one cool
[30:59] sides i don't think i'll need too much just just going to get touched with a with a sander just kind of smooth it all out but we'll see how i think it looks good i may i may alter the order of things that when i build mine if that makes sense oh i like i may go ahead and yeah figure out a way to to put the bottom cap on maybe with some access holes for the stanchions or something because i i like
[31:27] having especially when you're going to sheet a compound curve like this fuselage i like having a nice solid place to anchor the sheeting at the at two ends in this case the top and the bottom but i don't know we'll see i mean yours looks good i think you're gonna like once you slide that piece in there once you get it cut at the bottom, the bottom cap. Yeah. It's a bottom cap. I mean, you can cap the bottom. The cap doesn't have to be on the top, right?
[31:53] I mean, technically, I think it caps up. If it's upside down, it's a cap, then. Well, there you go. There you go. But anyway, once you have that piece made and stuck in there, I think that's going to come together really, really nice. Yeah. So that's my plan. I didn't finish the bottom yet. The sides are rounded around and then not glued all the way down yet. And I did that on purpose because with building that on the jig, I was not able to get
[32:17] the bottom cap. I'll cap. There you go. Okay. I was not able to get the bottom cap on. So I wanted to make sure though that I didn't get any warp or twist in the fuselage when I got the sides on. So, right or wrong, I don't know, but I know now I have enough structure to it to where I can do pretty much whatever I need on the bottom and on the bottom sides, like the bottom half of it. It's strong enough to withstand that. And it's not going to twist on me.
[32:42] So, that was the reason I did it that way. enough and it's not gonna twist on me yeah so that was the reason i did it that way well and now you also have a handy access if you need to do anything inside the fuselage before you put that cap on which is nice which the only things i still have to do on the inside is run the the rod straw i don't know what do you call it the little like for the the elevator and the the rudder push rods that little straw thing
[33:06] that it goes through the tubes yeah the outer push rod tubes yeah yep so i need to run those through and put them so you're not going to put the servos in the tail no oh okay i thought about it but they're going to be mounted kind of farther back like as far back as i could get in the the fuselage i think that'll work i think so too yeah i mean and it's if you need to put them back there you can later that's eighth inch balls
[33:30] back there you put a little plywood on the inside and stick them back there if you need to i just i i don't necessarily like the look of seeing yeah exposed servos on the side i'm there with you i prefer to have them not hanging out in the breeze although that's where my aileron servers are going to be but well that's kind of normal and they're on the bottom so you only see them when you do the flybys
[33:56] so most of the time maybe i'll cover the bottom of the wing black so it'll just like blend in oh there you go see always thinking this guy but yeah so that's all i got done on mine but we'll we'll see who gets finished first well hopefully we both get finished the week before january 1st and we can iron out all the little details and then go
[34:20] fly them on january 1st speaking of which i need to get like i still have things i need to order i need to order the speed controllers i haven't done yet i need to order the batteries i haven't done that yet which that's no big deal but the part that i really need to pay attention to is the the covering i gotta see i gotta see when i can get that stuff delivered because i know that
[34:43] takes longer to get if i'm gonna go with it you're gonna use the the hobby king stuff delivered because i know that takes longer to get if i'm going to go with it you're going to use the the hobby king stuff i think i'll try it as long as i can get it in time dude i'm telling you i had great great luck success whatever both with it maybe when i used it on that little Cloud Dancer project so it's it's worth trying yeah i mean this is when i'm fine
[35:02] trying something like that right so not something you'd want to put on your yak without first testing it on something else. Yeah, I don't plan on. Well, and I don't know. I shouldn't say that. I might end up going with that on there. We'll see. Who knows? From a cost perspective, it doesn't get much better than that. It's definitely easier to swallow spending 80 bucks on covering for a big plane like that as opposed to three or four hundred dollars yeah for
[35:26] sure so we'll see cool so that's so that's that's it huh that's all you got done well i mean you took so much time i don't want to go into every detail yeah i'm sorry every stroke i took with the sandpaper and stuff but yeah actually not much with the sandpaper weren't you listening it was the belt sander come on yeah what did you use on the belt sander though what does that spin sandpaper but it wasn't in strokes it was a continuous stroke no why isn't i'm not going
[35:58] to get into that with you all right so what do you want to talk about tonight? Moving on. I don't know. What do you want to talk about? Hey. Go on. No, you first. No, you go. No, you first. No, I'm just going to stop here then. Me too. So let's talk about storing your airplane for the winter. Hey, winter is coming. Winter is coming. So apparently winter is coming. The phrase winter is coming is a reference to some popular show or something like I like I said it
[36:28] at work the other day okay winners are coming and then somebody went off on this tangent about some name character names from a show and I I was like oh yeah I had no clue what he was talking about so please forgive me all those people that are fans of this because i'm not 100 sure i'm going to speak with authority on this one i think that's the first game of thrones episode i think that is the title
[36:52] of the episode okay i've heard people talk about that yeah i've never seen it yeah me either but i think that's i think that's an hbo thing right it could be i don't get hbo so that's probably why we haven't seen it so anyway yeah winter is coming and quicker than i like apparently here what's been windy for the past month it seems like yeah but yeah it's time to start thinking about putting stuff away at least for us folks that live in climates where
[37:18] we can't fly all year long that is true that's not everybody some people are actually just coming into their warm season yeah but for us did you say warm i don't know did i warm warm season some people are coming up into their summer months did you say worm season is it worm season now we've gone off the rails sorry anywho it's getting cold here yes so we need to take care of our airplanes. Yeah. What are you going to do, Tom? Well, I do a lot of things. What are you going to do, Ron?
[37:50] Do you want me to be honest, or should I tell you what I should do? Well, how about both? Okay. To be honest, really not much difference because my planes are already stored. they're already hanging. Oh, yeah, because you don't fly them, so they're still stored from the previous year i'm sorry where do you store yours do you store yours in your car no i mean so they're stored right that's true even if you fly
[38:13] them all the time they're put away fair enough man that's that was that was rude no i gotta take my jabs when i can because you don't offer very many. Mine are hanging nicely in the garage. They are, which, by the way, I like. Thank you. The way you've got things. And the batteries are already stored. Now, they're not all at storage charge. I will admit I have not done that. Why don't you talk about that? LiPos and storage charge. What is that?
[38:45] LiPos, if you have not listened to our battery episode, go take a listen to that. Let's assume that they have not. Because they did not want to hear you babble for an hour. But that was a good episode. I enjoyed that episode. That was a lot of fun. It really was a good episode. If you haven't listened, go listen to it. That and the motor episode. Motor episode was fun, too. Both very good episodes. Yeah, I would say so. I did a good job on those. Anyway, storing your LiPos.
[39:04] Storing your LiPo batteries is actually pretty simple. You want to store them at 3.8, 3.85 volts per cell. Really, you don't need to know that. You can just put them on your charger. And most, if not all chargers, really, that store LiPos will have a storage setting. LiPo batteries, the problem with them is they like to kind of eat themselves. The chemistry inside degrades just being a LiPo battery. It just
[39:34] goes bad over time. There's ways that we can kind of mitigate that and make it not be as big of a deal, which is why I store my batteries in the refrigerator, low humidity, and it's cold. That's where I store mine now, thanks to you. That's where they like it. I mean, they don't want heat. Heat speeds up that degradation. And then the cool… Freezing is also not good on them, but the cool, dry weather is good on them. Okay. So that's why, like I said, I keep mine in the refrigerator.
[40:00] Okay. So that's why, like I said, I keep mine in the refrigerator. At storage voltage, that is where they kind of eat themselves the least. Okay. The least amount of damage over time at that voltage. Right. Okay. If it's too high of a voltage, like fully charged, then they go bad faster. Yeah. And if it's stored completely dead, they also go dead faster.
[40:26] bad faster yeah and if it's stored completely dead they also go dead faster so that's interesting because i used to before i listened to your battery episode or our battery episode it's our episode but you did all the research i got to give you credit but anyway before i actually was a part of that i always just stored my LiPos like i would store an icad or an imh you just run it up to full charge and let it sit.
[40:45] And I quickly discovered that that is a very, very fast way to destroy a LiPo bat or at least make it puffy. You can do that. It just won't last very long. So, yeah. And that's, they're expensive. Yeah. So I want to make them last. Especially the big ones. Especially the big ones. But I want to make them last as long as possible. Yeah, sure.
[41:12] And, some of them don't get flown very often because, it just happens to where it's a plane that doesn't get flown too much. Because it's electric. Or you don't have the time. Or, just life happens. And when you're spending, some batteries are upwards of $100 a piece. When you're spending that much money on them, should last as long as possible yeah so so what if what if for example let's say we went out flying last weekend and i
[41:33] took three charged LiPos with me brought them home and since they're all above that should i then discharge them down to that cutoff voltage? So should you or would I? These are the questions. I mean, like, ideally, yeah. When you're not flying them, they're always going to be at that 3.85 volts. So whether they're discharged or fully charged, bring them up or down to that voltage for storage. Right. That is the voltage where they do not degrade as fast. So don't let them
[42:06] self-discharge to that voltage over time take them down to that voltage and leave them there because LiPos really don't self-discharge a lot that's true you don't have to worry too much it's not like a nicad or an nimh to where they just especially lose it over time they all batteries kind of have that but this is not the battery episode so i'm not going to get into that yes if it's above it take it down to it if it's
[42:29] below it take it up to it okay just in reality though like i said most of mine especially if it's going to be like a week till i go out the next time or even less than that most of the time i will have at least one or two batteries fully charged, especially for an airplane that I just like to take outside and fly here at the house. Because you never know when you're going to have a few minutes and the wind's going to be down. it's going to be a good time to do it.
[42:54] Especially living out here where you live because you can just go right outside and toss an electric in the air and go fly. Yeah, so that's why I usually have probably two batteries fully charged ready to go but those aren't like the big expensive batteries right those are the the cheaper 3s 1500 3s like 1300 i think is is what i have on those maybe some 2200s too but they're not like the 5000 four cells cells or anything that's a little bit bigger.
[43:27] So, yeah, just when you're not using them, take it down to that 3.85. And that's really the only thing that I worry about for winter storage. Okay. So, for me, most of my airplanes are not electric. Right. Most of my airplanes are not electric. Right. So I have batteries, but mostly a different type of battery, which we talked about back in the battery episode, NIMHs. And I don't have any NICAD receiver batteries anymore. But those do require that you keep them topped off.
[43:59] And we talked about it in that episode, the NIMHs or the nickel metal hydride batteries, they have a very nasty tendency to self-discharge very quickly. Very high discharge rate. So for me, ideally, I have a recharge plan, kind of. Ideally. So that on the first of every month or at the end of every month or whatever, I'll, well, before I even get to that, take all the batteries out of the airplanes. Oh, you do? I do. I do that. You actually, okay. Yep.
[44:34] I store, and then I tour airplanes, I will admit I store my batteries in the airplanes. And that's fine. I do it just for simple matter, for the convenience of having the batteries on my workbench near my charger yeah because number one that sort of prompts me oh has it been a while since i've charged all these i better stick these on the charger and top them off number one and number two like i said it's just convenient to have them near the charger and it makes charging them easier
[45:01] that way i'm not dragging my charger over across the basement to this airplane and then dragging it over here over to this airplane or what i'm saying no i get it that's what i do i mean it gets to be a pain especially if you have a lot of batteries to charge which yeah i do but i usually only do that before it's time to go fly them so i'll just leave them on the wall my charge reversal ron to what that's a good way to get reverse cell reversal if you let them
[45:28] go too long let's say you've got an airplane that's been sitting for a couple years and you go to recharge your battery and bang now the battery's down a third of its capacity because one of the cells is either dead or reversed oh i see what you're saying makes sense yeah okay but it's 999 for a new battery. That's true. So I'm okay with that. But then you're, what if you wanted to fly that airplane the next day? Then I say, hey, Tom, I need to borrow one of your batteries,
[45:55] or I take one of the receiver batteries out of another airplane. Okay. I mean, I got you. I got you covered. That's true. So ideally, you'll have all of your batteries at some handy spot near your charger, Or if you can't, then you do what Ron does and don't do anything. Or you drag your charger over to the airplane and top them off. Top them off at least, if you can, ideally, monthly. But don't let them go more than a couple months, especially the NIMHs. Yeah, I never do that.
[46:21] So the look Ron just gave me was he does it all the time. Or I don't do it all the time. He doesn't mind spending $10 on a new battery every time he wants to go fly. That's not true. I never said that. So yeah, you should do a little battery maintenance, get your stuff, ready for storage winter for its little winter nappy, nappy poo. Nitro engines. You want to talk about that or shall i i mean i don't care i i always put the after run oil when i'm done so
[46:53] that's all i do on those two and i really honestly that's all you need to do run the last flight of the season hopefully the last flight that you flew with that airplane you ran all of the fuel out of the at least out of the engine disconnect the fuel line and run it till it won't run or start anymore yeah and then give it a healthy dose of of whatever brew you like to use for your afternoon yeah so after
[47:14] it dies naturally still flip it over several more times flip it over until it just will not you'd be surprised how much yeah how much run you still get out of those there's a lot of nooks and crannies that fuel can hide inside those little nitro engines. So you want to get all that out of there because the fuel attracts moisture. Hydroscopic. It is. I like that word. It's a big word. Yep. Attracts water, which is very harmful to the bearings that are inside your engines.
[47:40] So run all that fuel out of there and then give it a healthy dose of after run oil whatever brew you like to use myself i use a half a 50 50 mix of transmission fluid automatic transmission fluid and marvel mystery oil i just use the after run oil yep and that works too yeah it's the same stuff yeah i don't know what it's made of but i don't go through enough of it to
[48:02] where it's heck even if you wanted to use it's expensive motor oil more power any oil is better than no oil you want something that does not get along well with water and here's a handy little tip too if you want to store your airplane so that it's nose down or so that the engine is pointing down if it's in the case it's a pusher or whatever not a bad way to store them because then all that oil sort of congregates
[48:26] and sticks in the bearings to keep the water and stuff out, if you have the space for that sort of thing. Yeah. So there you go. Gas engines, not a lot to do with those. Maintain the ignition battery, whatever flavor you use. And then me personally, I like to leave gas in the carburetors yeah so when i shut it pliable yep so when i shut it off at the end of the day or the last flight of the season i shut
[48:52] it off i pull the fuel out of the tank so i'm not spilling fuel to get in and out of the house and then i leave it i leave the carburetor with whatever gas full with what's in it yeah because that does prevent the the diaphragm especially from drying out yeah i've been getting hard now do you ever use oh what's it called like that stay bill and your in your fuel i so i use it in my lawnmower
[49:20] and i use it in my weed eater and i use it in stuff like that. I've never actually used it in a model engine, a gas model engine. I don't really see that there'd be any harm in it. But since usually they're not stored in such a harsh condition like our lawn equipment, like out in a cold garage or whatever. Mine's stored in a cold garage. Well, that's true. But I don't freeze. Well, that's true. But I don't freeze. Well, that's true. So I don't know.
[49:48] There may be benefit to it, and hopefully anybody who still might be listening at this point in the podcast, if they have an opinion, they can hit us up in those number of different ways they can contact us. Yeah. But yeah, anyway, I like to leave the carburetor wet on the gas engines. Me too. So that pretty much covers that so how like on your electric airplanes on the electric motors how do
[50:11] you store those for the winter you don't have to do anything to them it's awesome really nothing at all no you just put them away and put them away yeah that's pretty what do you do with your electric motors well you put them away just put them away yeah i mean that's pretty what do you do with your electric motors well put them away just put them away yeah i mean that's electric is awesome electric is convenient
[50:33] awesome i think is what you meant to say but convenient works too so so that takes care of the the power system right batteries take care of those the engines take care of those let's talk about the airframes okay so now would be a great time to look over the airframe just like you would in the spring when you're getting ready to fly but now that if you're like us you're putting some of your or
[50:55] most of your airplanes away for the winter not going to be doing any flying so now would be a great time to divert your attention to maintenance or repair. So give that airframe a good once over, maybe look over the landing gear block area where the landing gear mounts to the airframe, make sure there's no cracks in the glue joints and stuff like that, because now would be a great time to repair that and discover it now rather than on your first landing of next season when
[51:20] you pull the block out and it pokes holes in your wings because of the wheel pants or whatever so go over the airframe fix anything that's that's that's broken now that you're gonna have time so you're not gonna be flying but you're gonna be building well hopefully you're gonna be building something new yes but me so like for me personally i like i like set these goals and i and i'm like okay ever meet them though well sometimes okay so I'll
[51:47] be like I really really really want to start on the let's say the dualist fuselage and I want to do that but before I'm going to let myself get started on that I got to finish this other little project and maybe that's a landing gear block repair or something so if I if I set myself these little taskers to do before I can do the fun stuff, it gets done. Taskers? Yeah. Taskers. Yeah. You've heard that word, right? Never heard that
[52:11] word. Taskers? No. It's a task that I have to do before I can move on to the next. Yes. So where's the errs come from? Maybe that's a military thing. I don't know. We use it all the time where I work. Could be. Huh. Interesting. I don't know. I'm not military, so sure. I thought everybody. Anyway. So, yeah. If you're building something new over the winter, that's awesome. But how about repairing the stuff for next season first?
[52:37] Well, hopefully you don't have a lot of repairs to do, so you'll have plenty of time. There's always repairs to do. I said hopefully you don't have a lot of repairs to do. Listen. There's always repairs you can do said hopefully you don't have a lot of repairs to listen there's always repairs you can do hey I'm sorry you can patch maybe a hole in the covering that's been bugging you for months well maybe you don't have a hole that's been bugging you
[52:53] for months maybe you can replace a wheel that's flat spotted because you didn't store the thing properly last season here we go sorry I gotta get on my soapbox right we're storing airplanes and you can't talk or i can't talk about storing airplanes without also talking about one of my biggest pet peeves flat spots on the tires oh my gosh that drives me nuts yeah but if you start and they're so easy to avoid
[53:18] if you store it at the right intervals on each part of that tire it'll become round again so all the flat spots will just work out to be round. No. No? That's not how it works? No, that's not how it works. So if you have to store it on its tires, okay? Let's just say you don't have a choice. How do you do it? Well, ideally, with as minimum amount of weight on the tires as possible. Okay. So… What about, like, making as minimum amount of weight on the tires as possible. Okay. So.
[53:47] What about, like, making blocks that match the diameter? Fold up some towels and put the, between the fuselage and the, I don't know. Figure out a way so that there's not weight on the tires. If you have to store your airplane right side up on the gear, yes. Make yourself a little wooden block to act as a jack, right? Set it under the gear to get the weight off of the tires. Please. So when you say under the gear, not under the actual wheels, set it under the axle.
[54:12] Either the axle that's maybe still sticking out or maybe a block that fits up between the gear legs and keeps the weight off the tires. Or maybe even something that goes all the way up to the to where the gear mounts to the fuselage or anything you can do would sure make me feel a lot better about your storage situation take the wheels off if it's going to be a while well there you go that's actually pull the
[54:36] collar off and let it sit right there on the metal landing gear perfectly acceptable solution i aim for perfectly acceptable good i just wheel collars i i have this thing about wheel collars i said something wrong again it's not wrong it's just a thing i have i don't like so many times in the years that i've been doing this, wheel collars are like the bane of keeping your gear or your wheels on the axle shafts. So you grind a flat spot, right? Everybody does that
[55:14] where the set screw goes through the collar and engages the axle. Everybody grinds a flat spot for the set screw to set on, right? Everybody should be. Hopefully everybody says yes. But if you don't, what happens? Well, the thing spins off as soon as you get side load on the wheel and then off comes the wheel. And hopefully you're not in a wheel pant because then you're trying to fish the, it's a pain.
[55:36] And I don't like using Loctite. It's no secret. I'm not a huge fan of it. I know it has its purpose and I do use it. I'm not saying I don't use Loctite where it's appropriate, but I don't like using it. And you almost have to use it on the gear. Even if you've ground a flat spot on the axle for the set screw, you're yawning, but I know it's boring stuff. But to me, it's just one of those little things. So by your logic, just pull the tires off and store it right on the gear.
[56:07] Fine. But that's still going to more than likely require you to remove a wheel collar. And if you've Loctited the thing on there, it's now you're going to be stripping out the threads or the head of the thing because you don't have a proper fitting wrench. fitting wrench and then now you've got a whole other issue that could have been avoided if you just made a little block or some other way to store the airplanes was not sitting on the gear
[56:29] or on the tires specifically i have never regretted the comment more than i regret saying take the wheels off that was a split second decision that i made that i i should not have done and everybody well that's what i do i aim to make people sorry they spoke should not have done and everybody well that's what i do i aim to make people sorry they spoke
[56:53] that's you do a great job that's oh well wait a minute so yeah you could take the wheels off and that way and thus avoid the flat spotting of the tires but apparently the wheels are going to fall off next time you fly it and you're going to strip the street or the screws and all that stuff so there we go but, so store the airplane properly. Go over the airframe. Make sure there's no damage that is going to come back and bite you on your first flight next season.
[57:13] Take advantage of the off-season to do those repair works. Maybe even set that as a little carrot before you get started on your new project. A carrot? Yeah, a carrot. Like dangling in front of the i know what you're talking about in front of the donkey yeah or horse or horse right or whatever yeah or i'm not gonna say it hey so one other thing that i wanted to mention about storage there's more yeah i know
[57:39] no it's fine what do you what do you got So with nitro modeling, we usually have some field equipment that we take to the field, and that's worthy of some storage thought also. Okay. Usually you're going to have a battery that operates your electric starter if you're so inclined to use one.
[57:59] So that battery is going to require either a charging or if it's a pair of LiPos, storage charges, or if it's one of those big lead-acid batteries that you want to keep that thing topped off, maybe put a battery tender on it if it's a big 12-volt battery. Make sure it's a good battery tender, though. Yeah, the cheap ones from Harbor Freight, I have not had good luck with those. They kill my battery. Yeah. I've had that happen to a few of them.
[58:24] Me too. good luck with those they kill my battery yeah yeah i've had that happen to a few of them me too so and i think that's because they put i don't know if it's too much voltage or what but they're they're overdoing the battery and they're like burning it out so i've i've done that and i i think the ones that are like what five bucks if you get them on sale they don't work i've used some like 40 or 50 ones before too. Work great. -huh. So you get what you pay for. You do.
[58:47] In that particular case. For that one, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, if you've got nitro fuel in your field box, you obviously want to get that off the concrete floor. If you have a concrete floor like I do where I store all my stuff in the basement, put that up on a shelf somewhere preferably something insulated or maybe a block of wood or something because believe it or not concrete is porous and so is the plastic
[59:12] jug that your fuel is stored in so as we've mentioned before nitro fuel attracts moisture and you can pick up moisture through the floor and render your fuel unusable so hold on you said to put it on a wood block though something that will insulate it from the from the moisture that comes through on your concrete floor or that sweats on your concrete floor i was gonna say wood also is porous and has moisture in it right but so with temperature and humidity changes you
[59:39] know sometimes concrete floor can sweat it gets that slime film whatever on it you i know what i'm talking about okay like out in your shed i'm sure you've been out there like especially in like when it when it goes from like cold to warm and sometimes you get that little bit of condensation on stuff that's stored outside okay i'm thinking i'm sorry i'm thinking like in a basement and stuff and i we you don't get that yeah okay yes out in my shop i have had yeah
[1:00:06] i should have specified that whatever it's called the dewey stuff especially when it's really wet outside yeah okay but anyway get the get the fuel so that it doesn't attract some get it someplace where it won't won't attract one lick the moisture and i've heard i don't know if there's truth to this or not but they people say keep it out of direct sunlight. I don't know what sunlight has to do with alcohol and
[1:00:29] I mean, it could break it down, I guess. Maybe, I don't know. I mean, sunlight does weird things. If you store it in a metal can, all those points are moot. That is true. So we all like a moot point. It was moot. Very moot. So get your metal cans and fill them up. Fill them up with fuel so you can fly next season. I don't know. I don't either. So that pretty much is all I wanted to hit on storing for the winter, if you have to. Luckily,
[1:00:57] not everybody in this country or who listens to us has to do this. But here for us folks in the Midwest, at least where we're at. Winter is coming yeah snows are coming and yeah freezing temperature the skis will be fun though we might have to you're gonna fly your dualist off with skis i don't know that well you might not even i know but it might not even be snowy that's true so skis on grass is kind of weird. Yeah. Especially when you can just use your gear. Right. Yeah. We'll see.
[1:01:28] Time will tell. Time will tell. So hopefully next week I'll have a fuselage update. Hopefully. I'm not sure when I'll get to work on it. Because I have to work all week and then stuff. Friday I think is the first opportunity I'm going to have to work on it. Wow. Okay. Cool. So you better have lots of stuff done by friday i don't we'll see i cannot promise anything i really like the days when i when i came over to do our recording i came
[1:01:56] downstairs i'd be like oh my gosh you got this done and you didn't tell me oh this is awesome i want to get back to that those days are few Well, that was how it was supposed to be this weekend, by the way. When you came over tonight to see it, you would have been like, oh, my goodness. But you came over yesterday to pick up the bass. That was my reaction yesterday. I was like, yeah, it looks good. No, it really does. Such a disappointment. No? No, it looks good. It's fine.
[1:02:24] I mean, once it's sanded it'll be better yeah I have I have some not anxiety but some apprehension about when it comes time for me to sheet mine I don't know why I just don't I'm not a fan of sheeting I'm not either I mean that's by far the most unfun thing I've done on this although you got to use a fun new tool to do it, which is kind of cool. It's still stressful. Yeah. Because when you start gluing that, that is all you're going to be doing. The clock is ticking. Yeah.
[1:02:57] And it's like, leave me alone, everybody. I cannot be bothered. So it's okay, though. Okay. All right, cool. Well, is there anything else you want to talk about? So that's okay, though. Okay. All right, cool. Well, is there anything else you want to talk about? So that's it for me. Okay. Well, everybody, until next week, I'm Ron. I'm Tom. Good night. Good night. We hope you enjoyed this episode of the RC Plane Lab podcast.
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