Ep 106: Summer Fun

[00:00:04] Hello everyone. Welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I’m Tom, I’m Ron and I’m dave. Welcome to the show. So odd it is, it still feels weird doing that intro. We’ll have to get you used to.

[00:00:22] It yeah does that mean you make me do that more often maybe you’ve now done it what four percent.

[00:00:28] Of the time, three percent, three percent, yeah, we’ll say three percent. So just, we’ll start off with a reminder: we’re taking the month of july off. I’m happy and I’m not happy. Yeah, it’s weird, it is. I have mixed emotions, but we’re gonna get so much rc stuff done, right, I don’t know, that’s the plan at this point, but I don’t know. Well, I’m planning on doing like lots of rc stuff in july. No, I really am, because I’m taking a staycation. Good for you. Yeah, so I’ve got? I’ve got a couple.

[00:01:03] Weeks off, so I’m gonna make the best of them. Hopefully, feel free to add anything. You? I thought you were gonna talk about what you wanted to do on your little staycation. Well, yeah, for my staycation, I’ve got a few projects I want to finish up, and the horton is not one of them. It’s not because you were looking at me, I could see the judgment. How did you? How did like? That actually was the first thing that came to my mind. I’m sure I could see it like I could feel the

[00:01:30] Horton vibes coming so we’re just gonna have to gang up on that horton get it out of here.

[00:01:35] I, I don’t know, I think it just needs to. It’s such a mess. I’ll bring it like one of these nights, I’ll bring it over here and you’ll see, you’ll see, you’ll all see. I’m just saying I’ve seen, I know it does not look like anything that would be fun to do. Well, I don’t want to belabor the subject, but it’s not fun where the stage it’s at right now. So anyway, yeah, we’re taking, gonna take july off and we’ll see. We’ll be back. This is our gonna be our final one before we come back in.

[00:02:05] August. Yeah, this is the last episode that we’re gonna release. This will come out of 6 24, which is actually crystal’s birthday. Oh, happy birthday, crystal. And we will not have an episode with us until august- second week in august, second friday in august- so hopefully then you guys will all

[00:02:26] Hear all the cool things that we got accomplished during our vacation the reason why it’s the second.

[00:02:33] Week in august, by the way, is the first week in august- will be a guest episode. Yep, so that reminds me, if you want to be a guest- actually, even if you don’t want to be a guest but think you might have something to say like, force yourself to do this, you might. You might feel like it’s a little out of.

[00:02:49] Your comfort zone, like Ron feels every time. Still I do. I get a little nervous, even after a hundred and well, 106 episodes, episodes, episodes. Yeah, you’re still uncomfortable, so a little nervous.

[00:03:01] Yeah well you guys just make it so easy I just keep coming back and back I know like a bad penny.

[00:03:07] Can I say I really like the dynamic of having dave on the show. By the way, yeah, it’s nice having two people that know what they’re talking about and then I can just sit back and learn for just sitting.

[00:03:16] Back and learning. You do a surprising amount of talking, so should I be quiet? No, no, I’m just saying I don’t know how to take. It’s like you, you feel like you don’t, you don’t like contribute, but you actually do like, if you go back and well, I know you listen to him, but because you do all the editing, but like when I go back and listen to the episodes, like I don’t know what he’s talking about. He, he talked a lot during this episode. Take it till you make it. Keeps us on track. Keeps us on track. Yeah, I’m doing a bad job on that right now. I wouldn’t say that, but anyway, so.

[00:03:45] If you want to be a guest or don’t want to be a guest, be a guest. Yeah, reach out to us. I mean, it’s a lot of fun actually. I enjoy talking to people, which I know is out of my comfort zone, that’s so.

[00:03:56] Weird, but it is nice to learn more about the hobby. It really is, yeah, and usually somebody that we have as guests brings a new perspective to something that we maybe didn’t think of ourselves. And, yeah, I mean, it’s a lot of fun and it’s really easy. I, yeah, I agree. So I think it’s. It’s simple to sit down, talk about airplanes, and Ron’s got the whole process figured out and it’s fairly painless. It takes a decent internet connection and that’s really all that’s required.

[00:04:26] And yeah an app I think it is right or no it’s a website yeah so it’s easy super easy so and.

[00:04:34] It’s a lot of fun and if you’re worried about it and have questions email us anyway we’ll we’ll talk.

[00:04:38] You off the ledge and get you on exactly we will convince you of how much fun it is and you will.

[00:04:44] Never go back there. So there you go. Also before I forget: yeah, discord. So we have told people before join us on discord, the link is at the top of the website. The link was not at the top of the website. Way to go. I failed on that one. I was trying to help somebody join our discord. That was asking us how to do it. I was like, well, the link’s at the top of the website just go there. And I was like, what? That’s not enough, I’m gonna actually send them the link in the email. Yeah, so I

[00:05:17] Went to the website to try and get it and I was like wait where is it I didn’t do it right.

[00:05:22] -Huh so it is now okay well you made an attempt originally it just it just wasn’t I made.

[00:05:29] The page like so. So rcplanelab.com slash discord was there with a link on it, but there was no link at the top and the menu. Oh, it was like a hidden page. Nobody knew about. Oops, funsies. Well, now it’s.

[00:05:43] Fixed, fixed. So join the discord server. There was a lot of conversation, a lot of pictures flying around. I actually quite enjoy it now flying around. Get it. I see what you did there. I actually did that it.

[00:05:53] Was accidental I’m glad you caught that it looked like it because when I said flying around your face.

[00:05:56] Was like: oh, I made it funny and I didn’t even know it. Anyway, it’s actually a lot of fun. I had to enable notifications on my phone because I was missing a lot of stuff, yeah, but now that I did that, man, it’s, it’s really. It’s really a lot of fun. Yeah, I enjoy the cool people on camaraderie.

[00:06:14] Back and forth and dave’s on there yeah Reggie’s on there Reggie’s on there so check it a couple.

[00:06:19] Times a day I check it on my lunch because I have a whole hour to kill every day see so you get on.

[00:06:25] Discord and catch up with all the stuff that we’ve been chitty chatty about so maybe we can get.

[00:06:30] Dave into editing he can do that on a lunch break there you go see how that goes there you go look at me.

[00:06:36] Passing the buck. We call that flicking a booger. That where I work. When you say we, I’ve never heard, like where I work, like when you pawn off work onto somebody else. Yeah, we just flicked a burger onto that person. Wow, yeah, it’s awesome, you work in a weird place. I’ll take that. I work in health care. It makes me want to pick my nose for some reason. Now, interesting, hey, speaking of the website,

[00:06:59] The page of links. How’s that going? Oh, call me out on it okay. Well, it’s not going well, it’s in our nose. Well, I forgot, I was gonna bring it up a little nicer. Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean. I have failed. Well, we’ve had some people email with links to put on our, our link repository. I appreciate those that have done that. So far, I have not added the website or added the page of the website yet.

[00:07:25] But I will yeah you will I will I will this yeah as soon as you can I will I will I promise I will.

[00:07:32] Because there’s a lot of links that we didn’t know about. I need to make notes, so I don’t remember, or so I don’t forget. Do you need to remember to do it here? You can borrow my pen- nice, anyway, left-handed, if well, that’s usually how you catch. You throw right-handed and catch.

[00:07:47] With your left hand do you ever play baseball well yeah I guess you’re right huh you don’t catch with.

[00:07:52] The glove and then throw it down and then, anyway, if you guys have links talking to you guys again that are listening, if you have links of any rc cool stuff that you want to include on our link page, let us know. Yeah, I’m always up for learning about new. Something new and interesting, yeah, interests.

[00:08:12] Us. So put it. Yeah, we’ll put it on. Yeah, if you want to buy it, we might want to buy it. So I want to know about it. Yeah, speaking of buying, we bought some stuff lately. Yeah -huh, what did you buy? Well, you did buy, that’s right. Yeah, you bought something I did. We’ll talk about it. So, was that a tease? Well, yeah, when we talk about my stuff, father’s day, oh, I’ll talk about all that. You want me to talk about what I bought? Yeah, I didn’t buy that much. Well, I think you did three airplanes. Well, three airplanes.

[00:08:44] Yeah, so three more airplanes. I should say I’m weak, I am extremely weak, so let’s, let’s step back a little bit before we talk about buying any airplanes. Yeah, so yeah, go ahead. We are so out of chronological order. I was going to try and follow. Oh, I’m sorry, maybe we should do that. Let’s go back to the first weekend. Let’s not talk about new airplanes yet. Okay, scratch, that, that never happened. If you guys heard this, ignore it. So we went out to the field- not you, tommy, because you’re a bah humbug.

[00:09:15] But dave and I made it out to the field. No, you had something going on. Was you working you? Oh, that was your drill weekend. That’s protecting our weekends. Yeah, sucks to be you. But anyway, we made it out to the field, dave and I did, and tried to have some fun. But things don’t always go according.

[00:09:34] To plan yeah I did find out what happens when a half of 12 inch propeller flies off in flight.

[00:09:42] So you had your radian xl. Is that what that’s? Yep, I almost had you convinced into flying it. You what? Yeah, so I have a hard and steady rule of don’t fly anybody else’s airplane, it’s true, and you stick vehemently to that and I almost didn’t like I okay. So when I went out to the field on that day, my plan was to fly. I took two airplanes with me. I don’t remember what the second one was. I didn’t get to fly that either. What did I take? You took, didn’t you take the little red one here?

[00:10:16] Yeah, but I took a umx something with me too, oh, but then it was too windy for that. Was it the yak or sukoi? No, maybe it was, it doesn’t matter because I didn’t fly it. So it doesn’t matter that it rode in the car with me so it was too windy for that, but I did take that little. I don’t remember what that. The piper, pa20, the pacer- yeah, that’s what it is- the e-flight one. I finally got that all ready to go and I hadn’t flown it yet, so I wanted to do a maiden on it, so got out there. The wind was calming down just enough to where I was. Like all right, I think I can handle this. People were kind of not.

[00:10:48] Flying as much as they were before. So I got the battery in it and stuff and pre-flights, all that worked fine, everything worked. I mean, like I said, did a pre-flight, yeah, set it on the ground, taxied out to where I was getting ready to take off. For some reason, that’s the last thing I do before I actually throttle up and go as I run through the control surfaces. One more, just one more time, just not even necessarily paying attention to it, but just kind of limber my thumbs up, I guess I don’t know. It looks scale too, yeah, yeah, that’s exactly why I do it for the scale. Look, that was.

[00:11:22] Sarcasm, by the way. No, that was making what I do justified and having a good reason behind it, but anyway. So when I did that, I noticed one of the ailerons was not moving and I was like why, what, what happened? So I went out and made sure that yeah, it’s, it’s not moving, it’s not an optical illusion or anything, and I could not get it to respond to the transmitter. One aileron worked, one

[00:11:46] Aileron didn’t and this is two aileron but it checked okay during your pre-flight pre-flight.

[00:11:51] Yeah, check, just fine, worked just fine. And it’s two servos, one per aileron right. So I touched, just barely touched, the, the aileron on the left hand side, and it started working again. Oh yeah, well, I’m cautious. Yes, you are, so I did not fly at that time. I took it back home. I mean I could not get it stopped working again, like I messed with it for a couple more minutes, was flinging around all that kind of stuff, but. But you had lost all confidence in that servo, absolutely.

[00:12:22] Yeah, because I don’t trust it anymore. So I came home, replaced the servo and have not had a chance to go back out and fly it yet, but it is ready. The battery is actually still in there, but it’s at.

[00:12:31] Storage charge now so you guys were at the field then so you obviously didn’t fly that one plug in.

[00:12:36] Bad air plug in. Yeah, nice way to just run right over what I was saying. I’m sorry, a plug for plug-ins, a little plug-in plug, I like that. I like what you did there, dave. Yeah, he brings it right around, but anyway. So I did not have anything to fly and day’s like, don’t worry about it, I’ve got a couple batteries- what? Two batteries or three batteries or whatever- for the, for his radian- and this is a big radian, by the way, it’s like the full size xl one: 102 inches, 102 inch wingspan.

[00:13:05] Not a small airplane yeah and it’s heavy like it’s very heavy and it’s all in the wing.

[00:13:11] The fuselage weighs nothing. Oh really, I felt it all together. It was very heavy. Did I mention it was heavy? But anyway, so he’s like you can fly this one. He said it’s simple, you’re not going to crash it, don’t worry about it. So I was like we’ll see. I said fly it first. So I launched it and, yeah, he flew it aground. I mean it’s it’s a boring airplane which is fun sometimes. It’s well behaved. Nothing wrong with it. You were actually catching thermals, looking for thermals, not doing a great.

[00:13:40] Job I’m not that great of a thermal pilot but I can every now and then a blind dog.

[00:13:45] Finds a rabbit, so okay. And so he was flying around, like I said, and it looked good and I’m building my confidence. I’m like, yeah, what I can, I can handle this. I see it flying. I have no reason to think anything’s gonna happen to it. It doesn’t do anything stupid. Well, it’s not supposed to. And so he gets shadowing, he get- yeah, I’m building up, yeah. So he gets to the point where he’s ready to take off again. We’re getting low as you’re. You go up to height and then you

[00:14:19] Glide down with a glider, but with the motor glider, and then you start the motor back up to get to height. As soon as he what you think 100 feet in the air. So it was a couple hundred feet up. Hundred feet up. You’re still pretty. Motor’s been on for two or three seconds and then it just exploded, literally exploded, pow, I know. Like I had never seen anything like that before. Like there were three or four things that fell out of the sky and that’s not good. The debris feel was like: oh my, what happened?

[00:14:52] So I’m I’m trying to watch, like the different pieces, because there was a, a piece that went off to the right, probably, I’d say, a good hundred feet in front of the airplane, if not more. You think yeah.

[00:15:01] And I’m trying to fly this massive airplane, that I know that it’s very tail heavy and I think I am just doing a fabulous job. It’s actually responding to what I think I’m doing. We make a couple turns spiraling down, thinking everything’s great. Then it stalls out and slides down backwards for the last 50 foot or so. It lands going backwards on the tail in the right wing. I feel I did a great job. I know and I

[00:15:29] I, I, I felt you like. I was like: good job, dave, you got it down. I’m laughing because I know what’s coming right. And so we’re out there and we go and find the multiple pieces that are there. Well, the thing that went flying off to the front was the motor and the battery. No batteries, there is no battery in this plane. I’m like, dave, I don’t, I don’t think you’re actually flying. There’s no way there was no battery in there. Stable airplanes make you feel so good. I mean it. It came down as well as could be expected, and I

[00:16:04] Thought I had mediocre control over it yeah for nothing no battery so I’m envisioning it in my in my head.

[00:16:15] Since I wasn’t there, I’m. I’m seeing dave move the sticks, thinking he’s doing a good job bringing this thing down. It’s extremely tail heavy right at this point and there’s no battery in the airplane.

[00:16:26] Yeah, and so I mean like, and it took quite a while to come down. Yeah, I mean it was probably a good 30 seconds, maybe 15, 20, 30, I don’t remember how long. Of course, when you’re in the moment, everything seems longer. Yeah, I feel comfortable that you’re watching the pieces. Yeah, so we know where those go. They were down like for so long and I was just watching you fly this down like he’s not doing half bad, I mean that’s, that’s, he might be able to save this thing. And then we got out there and saw the battery was 100 feet away from it. I’m like, oh, you didn’t. I’m so glad they were yellow.

[00:17:00] Well they, they were like we found the motor pod first and then the front of the motor pod, like because it’s foam, and as soon as you lost that propeller it just disintegrated. Yeah, I mean it.

[00:17:14] Just slowed down and stopped. Yeah, yeah, so it’s. It’s probably worth mentioning that- I don’t know if we’ve mentioned it yet for this season, but they planted beans, oh yeah, instead of corn, so it was probably a little easier to find. That’s the first time I remember beans going. Yeah, it doesn’t happen very often. No, no, so anyway, sorry, I just wanted to add that to make they didn’t have to go.

[00:17:38] Traipsing through the corn at least to find it. Yeah, and it was the beans, weren’t by that point? They weren’t all that tall, so we were able to see pieces out there. But yeah, I mean motor was far ahead. And then between the motor, no, the batteries weren’t even connected, they were just on their own. Oh really.

[00:17:55] Yeah, they free fell on their own. Yeah, did it pull the speed controller out too? It unplugged the motor from the speed controller and unplugged the batteries. Holy smoke. Speed control stayed in the fuselage. It’s kind of trapped underneath of a floor. Okay, so it. It would have had to rip a lot of airplane.

[00:18:13] Out to get the speed control out. Yeah, that was just so I mean. I don’t mean I don’t like crashes, but as far as crashes go, that was pretty entertaining, impressive. I enjoyed that one, yeah as much as yeah. I wish it wouldn’t have happened, though, because I really I was. I was planning on flying that, yeah, and after I saw that happen I was like, oh no, back to not flying anybody else’s airplane. Well, here’s.

[00:18:38] The thing, having no idea what happened. It was just cruising along, climbing out, two, three, second motor run and boom, picked it up and one propeller blade is broken off, yeah, about a quarter inch away from the, the folding mechanism, yeah, from the. And that couldn’t have been from the crash, because one of two things: we either shed a blade, which I think is actually the cows, or I hit a small bird, which I never saw another bird and there was no blood on the plane. The other propeller blade, if I hit a bird, there would

[00:19:08] Have been blood well and you would have seen scuffing or something on the on what was left of the blade.

[00:19:14] Too. I would think and see, I and I told you I saw something flutter down that I assumed like my first thought was: oh, he hit a bird, he hit something that was flying out there and I saw something, like I said, kind of fluttering down. But coming back and looking at, I’m pretty sure that was probably that single propeller blade, because it instantly slowed and become a flutter bug, yeah -huh, because there’s no weight behind it, there’s no mass behind it, so it just came right down like a bird would have. If that’s what was it. But I, yeah, I agree, I don’t think you had a bird- miraculously very little damage to

[00:19:49] The airplane it’s all back together the last of the parts came in today well I mean there’s a lot of.

[00:19:54] Damage to it came in multiple pieces but it went together pretty well I guess.

[00:19:58] Yeah it all jigsawed back together really well so what did you do because that’s foam.

[00:20:03] So what did you do to glue that back together like I said I kind of jigsawed it back together.

[00:20:09] And realized we’re missing about a two inch chunk of foam. So I epoxied everything back together that I could. Majority of the damage was in the nose cone, where it ripped off, yeah, and then I was missing that little chunk of foam, so I went, got some spray foam to fill in the hole. Yeah okay. Oh, like the insulation stuff, yeah, it added a little structural strength, but really most of it was just aerodynamics. Yeah, and it looks fine. Yeah, quite frankly, if you didn’t know it had been crashed, you’ll never know it’s been crashed. Oh good deal. It’s got a couple of wrinkles in the wing.

[00:20:43] That I can’t seem to get to pop back out. But it’s fine. It’s fine. Yeah, I had some dirt. I’m still trying to dig out of the foam. It’s down in the grain, and even a toothbrush and foaming windex.

[00:20:58] Won’t get it out yeah how’d the you say that came down on the tail and the right wing how’d the tail fare.

[00:21:03] Tail is perfect. Zero issues there. And the fuselage boom cracked a little bit at the vertical tail boom section junction. Just pried it open, poured a little gorilla glue in.

[00:21:20] There yep that could have been from vibrations before it came apart too I mean yeah that probably.

[00:21:25] Got shook hard when I’m sure yeah if it was enough to separate it trying to whip it apart components.

[00:21:31] From the nose of the airplane yeah imagine so fast though really just I mean it’s like somebody.

[00:21:36] Stuck a stick of dynamite in it, just boom. It was impressive. It really like said I don’t like crashes, but that was impressive. Maybe I do like crashes, I think, we all, I think.

[00:21:47] It’s like: yeah, I think so too. I mean, that’s why people watch like nascar races, right? They don’t watch it for the boring going around in circles, they watch it for the crashes, right? Yep, I mean, I mean.

[00:21:59] That’s why how many left turns can you watch in a row? Exactly? Apparently a ton of them, right. So anyway, that was, that was that weekend. So you went out to the field then and didn’t fly.

[00:22:11] Anything so I thank you I boxed up my triplane and went home did you I did fly triplane I remember.

[00:22:19] You flying that one now, yeah, didn’t offer me the six on that. Wonder why? Yeah, I would have said no. So you can always offer: yeah, I, I’m just you need to fly it. Well, it’s nice and high. Sometime you need to fly it. They really do behave well. I have a rule anyway. So that takes us. I don’t know why we went back on oh time frame, because you’re, yeah, you want to go in chronological. So I don’t forget anything because that’s how my mind works. So that takes us to the next weekend, which was rc fest. Yeah, that.

[00:22:51] Was actually a good time which had it not been for our friends on discord I would not have known.

[00:22:56] About rc fest like weird another reason to get on the discord servo it’s a server sorry you.

[00:23:05] Got servers on the brain? I do, but it’s so close like I don’t know why I’m so bad at knowing what’s going on. Yeah, I had never been to it before dave had. He said he didn’t like it too much. Oh, it’s great, it’s just it was a little commercial, awesome. I had other stuff to do. Oh, okay, well, I know for this.

[00:23:21] One but for times before that you’ve gone it was it’s actually nice it’s a little commercial it’s but.

[00:23:27] It has to be I was gonna say it that’s kind of the point actually it’s it’s to show off.

[00:23:34] Everything that horizon does and they do, and they do a lot, and they’re very proud of what they do. But shouldn’t you be, though, I mean, like not shy about saying how proud they are of it, and which is fine? You had more of a problem with that than I did. Yeah, and I don’t know why. I guess I had different.

[00:23:52] Expectations well okay it’s a flying trade show rc that’s that’s an excellent description look at it.

[00:24:00] But the except the only trade is whatever horizon makes right but okay see I’m gonna come to their.

[00:24:07] Defense and this is why. So we went friday night. Yeah, because we had streeter coming up and we were going to go up with dave on saturday. He was already there, but I digress. So we had to find a time in order to go to rc fest, which was friday night. Friday night, so we weren’t there for the whole day, where they were just flying, understood. So we got there 10 minutes before their the horizon air show. Horizon air show. So that is when they show off all of their airplanes. Yeah, yeah, which is what.

[00:24:41] We saw yes I understand so all of the airplanes that were there were not only horizon made airplanes.

[00:24:47] But to be fair, to be fair, to be fair, I did not see a lot of guys like us in the pits with airplanes ready to fly. All I saw, oh, there was a bunch of them where in the under the canopy. That was all horizon.

[00:25:04] That was all horizon stuff. Like I didn’t see regular joes out there with their cars and their piper cubs and contenders and whatever. I didn’t see like very many, if any at all of those. Now it could be that they had already packed up and left and they were there watching the show. Now that could totally be it. But the only thing that I really saw- and I’m not saying it’s it’s a bad thing because it’s horizon’s show- I got it, which is awesome, and it was pretty entertaining, very, I will say that, but it was.

[00:25:38] Clearly if you listen to the announcer it was clearly all about horizon which is fine because.

[00:25:45] It’s their show, it’s horizon rc fest. Yeah, but it was open flying all day until the six o’clock air show. Right, six to seven was horizon’s air show. Exactly seven to eight was supposed to be closed down, then eight o’clock was ring of fire and then night flying. So normal planes not there, right? I mean like I, I get what happened, it’s not like anyway, I think we’re beating a dead horse on that one. I think.

[00:26:13] So too but it was fun it was a lot of fun probably I actually really did have a good time I did except.

[00:26:18] For I had to worry the whole time luckily we drove separately we did yeah because I couldn’t get there.

[00:26:23] As early as you did, which was ended up being like about the same time. Yeah, so you, you left before us, I did, and it’s a good thing it worked out that way, because I ran over something on the.

[00:26:35] Highway on the interstate and it took out two of my tires on my car, which was not fun to deal with at all. No it well, I don’t get too much into it, but it really pissed me off. Can I say that it really made me mad because it looked like driving down the interstate. It looked like a square patch, like it was just that color of a patch, and then I got 20 feet from it, which happens really fast when you just see it right in front of the car and it’s like, oh, that’s actually sticking up and that looks plastic. Kapow, yeah, boom, boom. And then I’m like, okay, well, we still have tires, whatever.

[00:27:11] And didn’t think anything of it. 15 Minutes later, the car just starts freaking out: check tire pressure, pull over safely. So I bring up all that on the screen. It was down to like 23 psi on the back left. The front left was at like 31 and these are supposed to be like 43 is what they run. So long story short, we pulled into a tire place when it was at 13 psi. Oh wow, and I was freaking out because I just kept seeing it go down, down, down. Like every time that changed, I just got to be in a worse mood.

[00:27:44] Yeah so. And your car doesn’t carry a spare, correct? No sure does not. That’s one thing. Teslas do not have built into them. Yeah so, yeah, got four new tires now that all match, and all that fun stuff. So we moved on. You did, but it was without that being in the back of my mind. I would have had a lot.

[00:28:06] More fun that night yeah I could see my mood yeah I could see what I worried about okay well am I.

[00:28:13] Going to be able to make it home because I’m an hour away from home and all this kind of stuff and.

[00:28:17] You did because I brought you a can of fixa flat and I didn’t even use it but I oh you didn’t good.

[00:28:22] Good deal I would have if I needed to. Yeah, but luckily they patched it enough at the tire place to get me through, but it was still leaking. Yeah, so slowly, but yeah, yeah, it was enough to get me. And.

[00:28:33] You said it was due for tires anyway. So there you go. Yeah, 33 000 miles on it. To me that’s crazy. That’s like low for in tires. I mean usually they should go at least 40 to 45 to 50.. I was mean to.

[00:28:45] Them. I mean there is, I got 60 000 on the mustang right now and I still got tread left. This, this pulls off the line a lot harder than the mustang does. Sure, he’s never ridden it, he hasn’t? No, I’m actually saying you probably do. It’s just that mustang has zero traction. Well, that’s yeah, we’ll have to.

[00:29:07] Go for a ride later yeah but anyway that’s way off topic yeah so rc fest was fun yeah I cannot wait.

[00:29:13] To go back next year what was your favorite part that’s a loaded question I know what my favorite.

[00:29:19] Part was I: I okay, we can get to your favorite part, I’m gonna let you have that as your favorite part, I’m not gonna. Oh, you can have it. I enjoyed that too, but I did actually like seeing everything that they made. Yeah, that was cool, and I think that was something a little bit different too, like all the like, the different jets that they make and that kind of stuff that are out that I’ve never really dealt with- edfs, so that’s kind of why I was more interested in that. And then they had some really cool, really cool, real turbine airplanes and stuff out flying too, yeah, yeah.

[00:29:53] And that was very impressive. Yeah, yeah, the guy with the huge f86 that was. That was really neat. Actually I like to watch that one. Yeah, because it was so big it didn’t look like it was going that fast. I mean, obviously it was, yeah, but it was such a big airplane that didn’t look like your typical model term. Like most model jet powered airplanes, they seem so fast and like you have to have this huge field to fly them in, but that one didn’t. It looked like more like a. It flew around like a sport plane, which for a turbine is pretty cool. Turbine for a turbine, that’s a turbine now.

[00:30:28] Okay, I think, if I had to pick one thing that I thought was most impressive, not favorite part of the night, because that’s different. Okay, okay, that’s different, but that’s different, most impressive, really, it’s different, apparently it’s different. The most impressive is different than favorite, because you can be like in awe of something but then see something you like better. Does that make sense? Okay, so the most impressive part of the night was the turbine powered glider. Yeah, man, he put on a great show. That was amazing. Yeah, did I mention a turbine powered glider? Yeah, that, actual.

[00:31:02] Turbine that for- and this is the part that I can’t understand- turbines are hot. I mean, we know how hot they can be. When he was finished with the turbine and went into glider mode, yeah, it stowed inside of the airplane. Yeah, the turbine itself. I can’t imagine the heat shielding in there. I know that’s what I’m like. Yeah, any of the other turbines. When they turned them off, there was so much smoke coming out of and

[00:31:26] Stuff hot, very hot, yeah, and this didn’t have it. I was, but what a great show I put on. I was very impressed. The speed of this thing and the maneuverability was doing rolls and loops and all kinds of I mean, and this is a glider, like words that should not go together turbine, turbine and glider, like they shouldn’t like go together. But man, but they did, and then he shut the, yeah, and then he shut the turbine down, stowed it and then proceeded to fly for another. What minute? At least. Well, yeah, so it was actually.

[00:32:02] Neat, because he went with the turbine up as high as he could go, which by the 400 feet, by the way, I think he might have been like 405 feet, I don’t know exactly. He was up there but just saying. And then when he got to the very top of his apogee, for that he stowed it. Nice, that’s right word, right, yeah? Yeah, see, I’m smart- stowed it and then came straight down and did what they. They might have over exaggerated the speed, yeah, but it was still pretty quick. They said it’s 200 mile an hour pass.

[00:32:33] I tried to take pictures of it and I just got the asphalt yeah I mean like I literally couldn’t.

[00:32:39] It was fast yeah and the noise it made too was really that whooshing noise was cool nothing.

[00:32:44] I mean it was very quiet, yeah, and then, yeah, he, so he flew around a little bit and then- the part that was really cool too, he was able to like glider. Okay, no power, right, have I mentioned that? Yeah, glider, the turbine is stowed. He was able to land and then turn into the pits and stop like three feet from him. Yeah, I mean, come on, that’s, that’s showing off a little too much. Well, the man has.

[00:33:10] Skills. I can’t remember his name, but obviously, yeah, I don’t remember any of the names- works for verizon, but and a very skilled pilot. But yeah, what a good show. That was my favorite part. There were the.

[00:33:19] Team pilots by the way that oh yes for a living yeah and they are they put on a show they really.

[00:33:25] Do very good show. So what was your favorite? The big cub- well, before we get to love that cub crafters, but I can’t remember. There’s like five or six different something. 165 Inch wingspan, big, big airplane- yeah, but the guy that was flying it, man, what a great rolling circles and just all kinds of.

[00:33:45] And yeah impressive show I think the guy that or that flew it was the guy that designed it.

[00:33:50] Yeah, I think I remember them saying that too. But what a great flying airplane that is. I want one, I know you do. It’s expensive, well, yeah, and it can take such a variety of engines too. Like you, you can fly that thing. According to the horizons website, you can fly that from an engine as small as a 120, which doesn’t look like it’d be fun to, all the way up to what did he have like a, I think, 222 or something. Yeah, yeah, so a wide range of a vengeance you can fly that thing with, which is

[00:34:23] Impressive in my mind. I want one. Did I mention that already? Yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah. So my favorite thing, what was your favorite? The ring of fire, the ring, oh my gosh. I had such a fun time watching guys try to fly their airplanes through that ring of fire. Have you seen that, dave? I’ve seen the videos.

[00:34:39] I have not seen it in real life, oh my gosh. So what they did? I don’t know where the idea came from, because I’m sure they said they saw it somewhere, somebody else had done it, but they took an old trampoline. So what are those six feet- yeah, I don’t know something like that 12 or 16 feet- and the frame for it, and made it into well, propane powered fireball shooting ring of fire where they would try to fly through it. And the worst part is, when people tried to fly through it, they actually

[00:35:12] Had like a flamethrower built into the bottom of it would just engulf the whole thing center and.

[00:35:18] Everything, and if they timed it just right, you could actually see the airplane react to that sudden burst of heat when it flies through the ring, if it doesn’t push it into the ring itself, which is so this is.

[00:35:30] Another plus for the built up wooden airplanes being a fan of foam aircraft I no I don’t know.

[00:35:38] Actually they were pretty durable, like a lot of the hits that I saw. They went out there, picked them up and threw them in the air and they kept flying. A lot of the foam ones too. Yeah, no, that’s.

[00:35:48] What I’m talking about: the heat and the foam. Oh yeah, you got to worry about melting MonoKote, I mean fully sheeted balsa airplanes. Go there, you go, I guess, at least like if you’re, if you’re doing a foam airplane, that foam will work as insulation to save your electronics. Save your electronics, yeah, but there was a lot of planes that flew through it and there was a lot of planes that didn’t, and that was the best part, they exploded. Yeah, there was a lot of them that were just like: look like dave was flying- I mean, it wasn’t. Now, that’s not nice, that’s a callback, by the way, and that makes it hilarious.

[00:36:20] I’m sorry, dave, but what I mean? Oh, it was a great explosion, all right. So imagine that, yeah, of people trying to fall feet off the ground, yeah, yeah, oh, it was. Yeah, there were. There were a few, you’re right, that just kind of flung around and they were able to throw them back up, but there.

[00:36:36] Were also quite a few that, yeah, ended up in multiple pieces. Yeah, apparently so. There’s all kinds of youtube videos out there and I posted- I posted one on our discord server. Some guy was flying an a10 and just obliterated, just told I don’t know, wish I had seen that one in person. Man, that would have.

[00:36:56] Been awesome yeah oh that was that was amazing yeah that was fun to watch I that’s my I got way.

[00:37:04] That’s about my favorite it’s really I mean I got way more enjoyment out of it out of that you.

[00:37:08] Probably should have. Absolutely. I was like a little kid, you were giddy. I mean like you were just laughing and giddy and you were so funny and you were into it. Just sitting over in the chair right now.

[00:37:20] Bouncing around like a little girl. It was so much fun to watch. I mean I can’t wait to go next year. Maybe I’ll fly something and try to try and do it yourself. Make it through the ring of fire. There you go. I bet a stick will go right through there. I don’t want to, or it might not, or it might not, yeah, I don’t know. I think I definitely would have to take something. I wouldn’t be too upset if it put, and if I do hit the ring. It has to, has to be a show, like it has to. Really, you have to fill it with confetti. Yeah, oh, that’s a good idea, that’s a great idea. Yeah, the wheels are turning, yeah, but

[00:37:52] Anyway somebody needs to be writing that down by the way we’re not so yeah if you can next year.

[00:37:57] To all eight now, or seven, or eight of our listeners. God, stop that. If you can make it, it’s worth. It’s worth the I mean it is. It is a good show. And then they did the night flying, by the way. Oh.

[00:38:08] Yeah, and that was a lot of fun too. That makes us both, unfortunately, want to- yeah, makes us spend money, but it’s so fun. And that night radiant, like oh yeah, that’s what I wanted to bring up. Yeah, thank you for reminding me. So there was a night radiant out there. That was he didn’t do it, but he was like lining up to go making the approach or fire and it really I was waiting, like I was hoping to see it go through, but it didn’t. But he was up flying for like 40 minutes- it seemed like forever- on a single battery, on a on one battery. Yeah, I was impressed. Yeah, like I went to that show.

[00:38:43] With the expectation of hoping they were selling airplanes and I was going to buy the night radium and I was going to buy the umx radium. It didn’t happen because they had a few airplanes there, but nothing great, nothing that we were interested in buying, actually- right, because the prices were good.

[00:39:03] Yeah, the prices were good in the airplanes they had there seemed like they were more for somebody who was just like maybe thinking about getting into the hobby and like a beginner. Yeah, exactly, so I get it. I understand it, but it would have been nice if they would have had like

[00:39:18] The full complement. However, I also noticed that the night rating was out of stock on their website, so that might have something to do with it too, like if they don’t have any that you can’t right buy it, but anyway. So that was my plan to go in and buy those. I bought nothing there, which saddened me, but what?

[00:39:37] The what it did do for you is it made it so that you didn’t need the umx version? It that’s because, once you saw the night radian flying, you’re like, oh yeah, this is enough. Well, it was more. I didn’t know.

[00:39:49] If I could fly that at home, like I would like to be able to fly that here, but that is so gentle that I see no reason to where I would not be able to fly a plane, that plane, especially of that size, at my house. Yeah, it’s just a nice little plane and it looks really, really cool with the lights. Yeah, I mean it’s gonna be great night flyer. Yeah, but the other airplane that we saw there, okay. So I’m gonna admit like I judged this airplane a lot until I saw it, until- and you’re not the only one, like I did too- I was like

[00:40:22] Oh this thing is stupid how much fun can this thing be it turns out it’s actually a blast so we’re.

[00:40:29] Talking about the umx ultrax by e-flight. Yeah, it seems mundane, it really does. It’s a two propeller and pancake, pretty much, yeah, exactly a triangular shaped pancake with and instead of rudders it, it steers itself with differential thrust and then it has elevons and that’s all that’s it. I mean, there’s no tail on it, there’s no. Well, it has the two small vertical stabilizers, but okay, those push.

[00:41:04] In and take out when you’re done with them, right? I thought it was kind of stupid, I’m gonna be honest. And then I saw somebody flying and I was like I want. And then we saw somebody flying it with lights and then I thought I want one even more. Yeah, you and I both, but they didn’t have them. No, not.

[00:41:22] There which was sad it was sad because if they had you would have went home with two airplanes come.

[00:41:28] Home with two airplanes for sure however why not well let’s get into the next day then are we done.

[00:41:36] About rc fest. Anything else you want to say? Yeah, like I said, if you have the opportunity to go next year, it is if you’re prepared for, for what it is it’s. It’s a, it’s a place for horizon to showcase all their new stuff and it was a good show. It was a lot of fun. My hope next year is:

[00:41:54] That it is not on the same day as the street are flying. Yeah, yeah, if it is on the same day, I think we need to plan accordingly to go to monticello on saturday, okay, and fly and fly, yeah, yeah, maybe. Yeah, I’ll watch you fly, but we need to go there saturday, because saturday, apparently, is when they put on a little bit better of a show with the ring of fire, because nobody cares about doing it the next day, yeah, so they don’t care about losing their airplane, right, right, then they do fireworks and that kind of

[00:42:25] Stuff, but I just I think, all right, that might be kind of fun. So sunday: yeah, moving on to sunday weekend, it was a great weekend. I’m sorry, saturday, you’re right, saturday got ahead of myself. Yeah, we started. Friday: nothing, yeah. So saturday we went to streeter because dave was camping out for the streeter fly-in. Dave and his brother daniel, they were both there on the way up there. I was traveling with you, tommy. You took me up because my car had flat tires anyway. So I got an email from tower.

[00:43:00] Hobbies with- oh, that’s right, I forgot about this- with coupon codes or 25 off something or another. And a long time ago, way back in the distant past of a few months, we talked to steve hirsch and he was talking about the vista grand that he bought for a really good price and I’ve been looking to buy one of those because it’s a really good price for what it is. And that was the time when I got the email that said: hey, in the car on the way up to streeter.

[00:43:31] So I ordered a vista grand grande. I don’t know how you say it. Whatever, I’m either going to sound stupid or sound correct, but anyway, or both at one time. So I ordered one of those, got it in, haven’t done anything with it yet, but I’m excited to say I have one of those now. It looks really nice.

[00:43:48] Like it’s it looks like it’s well done like was it wrinkly or anything no the covering is.

[00:43:53] In good shape. The construction looks good, yeah, and it should be an easy plan to go together, because I think I need two servos, a receiver and that’s really about all. I mean, there’s not a battery, obviously, but there’s not a lot of other stuff. The motor and speed controller were in it and installed, yeah, so that really makes the price tag. Well, you got to put the decals on it, not putting the details on, not all of them at least, but I will say you made fun of me a lot. Tower hobbies is a part of Horizon Hobby.

[00:44:23] Yep it’s all one big company didn’t know that no yeah it’s been that way for a while you were very.

[00:44:29] Reserved now you made for me a lot before and now you’re just like yeah I didn’t I think what I said.

[00:44:35] Was: yeah, they’ve been that way a couple years. I’m surprised you didn’t know that. I think those were the exact words out of my idiot as well. No, I did not say you don’t know. I think you it was implied. It was definitely. I mean dummy, you didn’t know that. So anyway, wow. Well, you said a cuss word earlier. That was not a cuss word. Well, you said the p word. Remember I said

[00:44:56] Something I don’t know, another word for angry, oh, that’s not as bad as the a word anyway, anyway. So, yeah, what was I saying? Oh, the vista, grand, grand, grand, grand. What sounds?

[00:45:12] Sophisticated is: grande, the vista grande. There you go, the ariana grande. Is that her name? What’s her? What’s her last name? I don’t know. Singer dude, what’s he talking about? I don’t.

[00:45:24] I’m old I don’t know I don’t know it just got uncomfortable yeah I don’t so I bought that.

[00:45:29] Airplane. Weird, that was fun. It’s now here. Yeah, you bought it on the way to streeter while we were going to fly some other stuff, or I was going to fly some other stuff. Yeah, I didn’t take anything with.

[00:45:38] Me to fly, and then we’ll talk about streeter in a minute. We went up there. We did go to brian’s shop. Brian saved the day. He did Dynamic Balsa- I cannot say enough about them. He had the night radian in stock and the all tricks. The umx version actually had both of them. Yeah, so I bought the umx ultrax, which I just love that airplane- it’s so stupid- and I bought the night radian, which I have not flown yet but it is ready to go. I got everything put together which was not much good deal, so I can’t.

[00:46:12] Wait, have you fired up the lights yet? Of course, yeah, yeah, that’s so cool. I wish there was a way on that one to control it with your controller. Like you can’t- you can’t turn it on or off with your controller. Is it just an on off switch? Well, no, it’s well, yes, and no, it’s got a controller built into it that’s inside the airplane and then you can use that controller to change the speed of the sequence that’s running through, and then you can change the sequence with that controller. It’s.

[00:46:47] Got like three buttons on it, right, so it’s. And then, yes, it does have a switch turn on and off, but it’s not like something you can do from your transmitter, so you can’t change the design when it’s flying, you have to pick it before you launch. But you can on the umx ultrax, so the ultrax actually. Yeah, we haven’t put those on yet. It didn’t come with the lights, of course it didn’t come with the lights, right, but for an extra 18.99 Through Horizon Hobby we bought- well, I bought the- the light kit for it.

[00:47:19] We’ll get that installed and that’s gonna be so cool it is. They were flying those around at night there and I at the rc fest and I just fell in love with them. Yeah, they’re neat. I can’t say I can’t wait. How fun that is to fly. It is so simple to fly like. I feel as though the only way to actually crash it is if you tried, because it’s so light, if you’re flying over grass and you get in trouble and you just turn it off, it just flops on the grass down to the ground and flop down one. It’s got the AS3X and probably has safe. Have safe on it, which the first time I flew it safe was on and it was no fun like.

[00:47:55] I was like this is crap like seriously what and I found the switch for it turned it off and I was.

[00:48:00] Like, oh, here we go. Yeah, and that’s when it got fun. It does these cool little pancake spin things. It’s the neatest thing. I just yeah, way more fun than it should be, but yeah, I’m gonna get one. I’m.

[00:48:12] Thinking about getting the bigger one too. One of these days did. Were they flying those there? I don’t remember seeing the bigger. I don’t remember seeing the bigger one. They actually came out with the umx ultrax first. Oh okay, I didn’t realize that usually it’s a bigger airplane they come out with. Oh, let’s make this small to kind of compliment. This was just the opposite. People were having so much fun with the umx one, they made one a little bit bigger. People were having

[00:48:34] Trouble with the umx one. Oh, fun. I meant to say, okay, people are having so much fun. I might have misheard, but I thought you said trouble, but anyway. So, yeah, cool, yeah, I’ll get one eventually. Yeah, with the lights, of course. Do they? Do they make the lights for the bigger one too? Yeah, they’ve got.

[00:48:47] Two, same price even, which is weird. There you go. So, anyway, awesome. So the street are flying, let’s get to. Yeah, what we did on saturday: it was an eventful day. It was it rained on us, weather was great, except.

[00:49:03] For the wet stuff yeah okay good talk flying well there’s so much happening like where do we start.

[00:49:11] I well you guys figure out where do you want to start dave was there he actually camped all.

[00:49:16] Weekend. What day did you go up? I went up friday right after work. Okay, I got off at 4: 30 I think I was on the road by 5: 35.. Not bad at all, not bad. I got up there- and no flying on friday night because it was raining, oh really. But yeah, set the camper up and got fred running around. He played frisbee for a while. Fred is the dog, fred’s the dog. I don’t know if we’ve said that before or not.

[00:49:44] Your brother went too yeah he had he got up there about midnight oh really yeah okay I don’t know I.

[00:49:50] Just figured you guys went. Yeah, I thought you guys went. Yeah. He pulled the trailer, his the cargo trailer- up, with the airplanes in it. I had the travel trailer. He got stuck at work and I don’t think he left town until like eight o’clock. Oh man, that’s yeah. That makes for a yeah, because that’s.

[00:50:04] Two showers, two hours and change, yeah, okay. Yeah, with the trailer, probably, yep, and daniel was there with hank. Hank, hank, his new dog, hank, his new dog, yeah, good, so fred and hank together are frank. That’s true, I never thought of it that way, but yeah, it’s amazingly silly. But it works, fred and hank.

[00:50:28] Makes frank so saturday you flew some stuff in between the clouds and the rain falling.

[00:50:36] So what do you fall? Oh, let’s see, I took all kinds of stuff. I did take my triplane up and it did not get flown at all. There was an issue with some broken tails. Oh no, things happen what.

[00:50:50] Are you gonna do it was frank it was frank yeah fred or hank one of the pooches stepped on it apparently.

[00:50:56] Someone with toenails stepped on the stabilizer and well, yep, I gotta drag it all the way up there assembled, a triplane, looked at it all weekend, disassembled it, took it home. Well, that.

[00:51:08] Would have been sunday then wasn’t it because it wasn’t messed up when we were there it was not.

[00:51:12] Messed up saturday so it happened sometimes sunday but I just didn’t get around flying it.

[00:51:15] Saturday I had so much stuff there well the weather didn’t cooperate all that much by the time.

[00:51:20] On saturday. You mean, yeah, we had a lot of down time on saturday due to the rain. Yeah, well, we were down at least an hour and a half, probably, or more. Yeah, more than that. Yeah, because we, well, plus the,

[00:51:30] Time that he stopped to not fly and cook to feed us, which was very nice. I love, I love doing that, so it’s great. Well, I have to admit, I kind of like that too. Oh, getting fed, that is like that’s so out of my character also. I’m doing a lot of stuff out of my character, like it’s. It was very, very good food, by the way, thank you. Bacon cheeseburgers- awesome. I’m sorry we missed breakfast. It sounded like they had a.

[00:51:52] Pretty good breakfast. Yeah, yeah, I cook. I think I didn’t get this big, not eating me neither, so that’s all right. Took and we had the SIG wonder up there, flew through fluid a couple times, which it bit you, by the way. Oh yeah, my little SIG wonder bit me twice trying to start it. It’s like, okay, enough of that, we’re gonna hit the. Hit it with the starter. What size engines on that? It’s got a little 15, the one only fox 15 that runs right ever. That’s what everybody says about. Oh, this is the.

[00:52:20] Only one that works well like that evolution that you had yeah I have the only decent running.

[00:52:24] Evolution 40 in the plant on the planet so yeah it’s just a screaming little airplane with the 15.

[00:52:29] On it but the thing will slow way down it’s a blast to fly can’t wait to build ours I know after seeing.

[00:52:35] Somebody in person flying one it’s like oh that’s a nice they fly nice yeah can’t wait I’m blasting.

[00:52:40] Around with the hobby king excalibur nice high speed they call a warm liner that thing is stupid.

[00:52:47] Yeah it’s I mean that is a bullet for a glider yeah it’s a glider and I think personally I’ve.

[00:52:52] Never timed it, but I think it’s actually faster with the motor off. But you get the prop folded. I actually think it’ll go downhill faster than with the motor on. You might be right. Yeah, gravity, I mean.

[00:53:03] It’s so sleek and it’s got such a cool whistle to it as it goes back to it does this is one I tried.

[00:53:08] To fly once and crashed well once again I think that one was bent when you tried to fly it.

[00:53:13] Once again this is my second one not your airplane that you crashed huh oh what else did I have.

[00:53:18] There it’s a theme it’s a theme I understand I had my little foamy f-14 I didn’t get to fly it.

[00:53:24] Because it got wet and the wing joint swelled up so you couldn’t fold the wing or extend the wing.

[00:53:29] Yeah, and then I had my big carbon z t-28 with the sound system in it, yeah, which that fly is really nice. Actually it’s a lot of fun to fly that real scale. You pull it out on the line and it’s.

[00:53:39] The trump the trump the trump yeah with the sound system yeah it does sound kind of cool.

[00:53:43] For an electric airplane, it sounds, and you can actually hear it in flight, which is amazing. Yeah, from a distance it sounds better than when you’re sitting next to it. Yeah, when you’re next to, it’s loud, yeah, yeah. But in the air, yeah, it sounds a little overkill when you’re 10 feet away and you’re.

[00:53:55] Like what can’t hear you well it has to be loud because when it’s in the air it’s far away I.

[00:54:01] Dare you stand next to a real t-28 and have a conversation see exactly well that’s a moot point because.

[00:54:07] Why would anybody do that? Well, that’s a good. Yeah, we had a lot of fun and a lot of other airplanes up there. Surprisingly, I don’t think there was a lot of crashing. I think saw one cub like: no, it wasn’t the cub, it was that little bike, little biplane. Yeah, had an issue and looked like it had.

[00:54:25] Issues all day. Yeah, it got my attention while I was trying to fly, so, yeah, and then it finally succumbed to whatever, yeah, the issue was. So it resolved itself. Yes, it fixed itself, well, permanently.

[00:54:38] It well detangled its problems yeah there you go unfurled its brow and said I give up.

[00:54:44] And then one of the big cubs almost had an accident. Oh yeah, you were saying something about the. Yeah, they didn’t realize it had adjustable struts on it, so the wings were twisted and this:

[00:54:54] Is one of those that we were talking about earlier, the 165 inch cub crafters- something. I can’t blanking out on that one now, but it’s huge. But it’s the hanger 9 version that they just came out within the last about six months, I think. So, yeah, or something like that, and that is an impressive.

[00:55:10] Plane when you get up close to it. Yeah, when we could. Yeah, because we could actually get up close to this one and see it, because it wasn’t blocked off by the horizon air show police. But yeah, it’s a, it’s an impressive airplane. Yeah, you got an incident leader on it and straighten the wings.

[00:55:26] Out and beautiful flyer, yeah, so for whenever I get one of these things in the future- which won’t happen, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Okay, that’s good to know that the actual struts have to be adjusted.

[00:55:40] Correctly. Yeah, in order to not have it. I’m sure it’s probably in the instructions. I bet it’s in the manual. Yeah, it is somewhere. Yeah, yeah, especially if it’s that big a deal, because you said it flew like crap when they before it was two near accidents. Ooh man, something that big going in, that would be.

[00:55:56] Sad which those should fly and it did when we got there and saw yeah it looked like a very nicely.

[00:56:03] I mean they just float. Yeah, they had it straightened out and it was nice. Yeah, and thanks to dave and his brother, they hauled my stick up there for me. So I got to fly my stick with the with the gopro on. I put the gopro on and I got zero footage. I was gonna say, however, zero because apparently I forgot how to work the gopro. So that’s weird. I don’t know what happened once I got a home and I did the exact same thing. It worked fine. Of course, yeah, I’ll have to. I’ll have to check and do a dry run before we actually

[00:56:34] Record anything. Well, I should have brought mine with me- like I didn’t, because I knew I wasn’t going to need it, but I should have just in case. Yeah, like I didn’t think about it before- in case you had a problem with yours or your battery died or something stupid, right, I should have had mine with me, so we.

[00:56:47] Actually got a lot more flying in the evening after the show was technically over. We got a lot of after the rains passed through. It was really nice. We were like the only ones out there. Yeah, I.

[00:56:57] Mean like everybody else had kind of gone to their campers and just sat and didn’t really do much.

[00:57:03] Flying yep and we got the paramotor out, flew it around. Reggie’s so excited to figure out how to launch it. He did a good job. Did he buy one? Yet? He has not bought one yet, that I’m aware of, but yeah.

[00:57:13] Like after watching you fly that, I was like that’s actually kind of cool, I could. And they’re crazy cheap, right, yeah, it was like 150 bucks or something about crazy cheap, but I mean physically it’s a big, like once the once the chute is inflated. I mean it’s not a small, it’s not a small airplane. So this

[00:57:32] Was hobby king right yeah is that where you got it yes and what’s it run off of it runs on a four.

[00:57:36] Cell I think I got a four or five thousand in it and you need that for ballast oh okay yeah.

[00:57:43] And it flies forever well I can imagine yeah because it like you could shut the motor off and.

[00:57:49] Look like it was gliding around like a glider yeah you run around it’s a parachute that’s true.

[00:57:54] It’s a power parachute quarter to third throttle is about where you fly it I don’t think I’ve ever had.

[00:57:59] It above half throttle I wonder if you could do a flip at full throttle just go oh I have looped it.

[00:58:04] Oh, really, yes, it’s scary, but it is. Yeah, I have it on purpose. I do once. So you’ve done it multiple times, but some of those were due to bad launches and flying in too much wind. But I have looped it once on purpose. It is kind of scary doing it, but it actually it does do it and it kind of does this roll thing you can do with it, but where you can swing it around. See, I would be so afraid I’d get

[00:58:32] To the top of the loop and the carriage motor whatever would fall into that’s the whole key.

[00:58:36] Is you got to do it fast enough? Okay, you got to have centripetal force pulling it away from it. Centripetal force, nice, did I say that? Right? I think so. I thought so too. Yeah, a couple times I had a big word, though I’m just saying the faces you give me when I say big words. I’m like, was that right?

[00:58:52] And I know it was right, so stop anyway. So then we got the bald eagle out and everybody flew, including Ron. I yeah, that was. It took a little while. So who makes that? That one was the dancing wing hobbies, so, and I got that from grayson hobbies out of loganville, georgia, you call that.

[00:59:13] The eagle. So every time, like I hear you guys talk about the eagle, for some reason, I’m thinking a 15 eagle and I’ve got a couple of those right and I think that’s why my mind goes to that. But no, this is actually an eagle like, shaped like an actual animal eagle, like the flying bird eagle.

[00:59:30] Yeah and when it’s weird and when it’s up there like it looks like a bird yeah it is the profile of.

[00:59:38] A large bird and it really is because small birds on the field kept chasing me yeah now the only.

[00:59:45] Thing, I will say that I have to give some constructive criticism. -Oh, get rid of that, yeah. Or the orange propeller, yeah, but when it’s spinning, I mean it. Just, you still see the.

[00:59:55] Or no you still see the orange arc oh I couldn’t see yeah that is something that’s been bugging me.

[00:59:59] Ever since I bought it. I’m just painting. I’m gonna paint it gray or black even. I guess you could really do a light blue. Yeah, oh, good idea to match the sky, sky. It just needs to be some other color than fluorescent orange. Orange, yeah, now wait a minute, though, with a spinning thing on the front of it. I

[01:00:18] Get why they do it: safety, safety, so you can see the prop arc and not stick your finger in it. But I mean, yeah, yeah, so we flew that for I don’t know how long we flew it. Four, five of us flew it. Yeah, we were actually getting to the point where one of two of us was like concerned about the

[01:00:36] Battery. Reggie was very concerned when it was his turn to fly. It’s like: should I bring it in? We’ve been up a long time, I don’t want to run the battery down. I was like no, you’re fine, you’re fine. So I didn’t check it that night because it was getting kind of dark. But sunday morning I did pull out that battery and threw it on the tester. It was at 71. Oh my gosh, that’s awesome, and it was. It flies on a 2000.

[01:00:55] Pack but yeah that’s pretty we were up there full ever well it’s a floater speaking of batteries I.

[01:01:04] Landed it with a set the transmitter on the ground and let it land itself oh that’s right.

[01:01:08] You did, and it does it pretty much- just floats on down and it’ll land itself. Set it on approach. Yeah, let go. It’s pretty cool, I would. I would have one of those. I, yeah, except I’m out of space. So.

[01:01:23] Well it’s not a very big air well it’s pretty I was gonna say what it is you can make room for.

[01:01:30] What you want. Just saying that’s true, I’d have to get rid of this thing is so light, I just toss it on top of anything. I want not worry about it hurt anything. See, you don’t have to get rid of anything, just put it somewhere. Yeah, it’s the last thing that gets packed when we pack up, because it

[01:01:42] Just gets tossed on top. Yeah, I’m sure you have room in your closet. You quit scratching. Nobody wants to hear you scratching your face. I’m sorry, it’s very loud, was it really it was? Oh, I’m sorry. It was like I could see you all the way over there doing and then I just heard it in my ears, which is where you hear things: in your ears. That’s weird.

[01:02:02] Oh gosh we are awesome nobody’s listening speaking of batteries dave had an issue with we had a.

[01:02:11] Very, very near major incident with regarding a battery, the same batteries that were in the radian when it went down. So this is the weekend before the weekend before this went down hard. This might be related, might not, I don’t know. These batteries were both brand new, both of them identically. There are two 2200 packs. These came from toledo. These came from toledo. Those april 1st is when we bought them this year. Yep, and they’ve got four or five charges on them. I think that when

[01:02:45] They were in the radian- that was their second charge- and had them out the field. We used them a little bit. One of them was in the eagle when we were flying it on saturday, one was- I forgot what I put it in, but both of them had a couple flights on saturday. And then I went to charge one on sunday and put it on a charger on my brother’s truck, popped the hood. I always make sure when I charge under a vehicle I always put everything on the core support or something metal. I don’t want anything, just case, just in case. Yep, and walked away from it because I mean we were literally on the back side.

[01:03:21] Of the truck we were trucking a trailer length away from this battery charging, done it thousands of times, flew the other battery and decided to charge it, went to put it on my second charger and just plugged it in and pushed the buttons and it did this little beep thing and confirmed it was charging and all of a sudden I heard the other charger make this really weird beep I’ve never heard before. I looked at it and I said check output connections or something. Well, that’s weird and

[01:03:51] Then all of a sudden, smoke started rolling out of the connector. Oh, and I’m going: oh, that’s not good at all. So I start ripping up wires. I don’t even know what I’m grabbing, I’m just grabbing wires and ripping things apart. At about that time, what size battery was this? This is a 2200 milliamp three cell, okay, so not a particularly big one at all, no. And I all of a sudden realize I hear a big pop, not as loud as when the rain explode, but a good size pop, which at this point I can realize is now.

[01:04:22] The heat shrink on, the battery exploding and now smoke is coming out of the battery. So I have now, at this point, ripped everything apart. I grabbed the battery by the tail, the lead, hoping- oh my god, hope this thing’s not hot enough to burn me and chuck it as far as I can, away from all the parked vehicles and the crowd and so forth, because it is rapidly swelling. Oh yeah, it is now. Fred goes to chase it. It’s laying out in the middle of this open field and fred goes running after it’s like fred. Oh he actually.

[01:04:53] Did go. He went running after it. Oh, that’s a retriever, he’s a labrador retriever and he likes to retrieve, retrieve stuff, especially if I throw it. Yeah, especially airplanes, yeah, yeah.

[01:05:07] Anyway, he backed away from it. Luckily the battery pack did not burst into flames, but it did sit in the middle of the field hissing for almost 20 minutes, man. When it did finally ease up, I went and picked it up. It was very swollen and it felt very crystallized and crunchy on the inside. This is actually the first time I’ve ever had any close call whatsoever with battery. I’ve swelled a few up because I’ve worked them too hard and they were older- chemistry and stuff, yeah. But I’ve never had one go off on me and I tell you it will get your attention and I am super

[01:05:40] Lucky I was standing right next to it when it did it. Yeah, because if I was two minutes earlier or later, yeah, it would have went off under the hood of the truck and I’m sure it would have burst into.

[01:05:49] Flames the way it was going. That’s so scary. Yeah, one thing I can say that, based on my extremely limited experience of batteries going off, Ron and I tried to make one go off on purpose was a two cell, I think, right, because it was one of my old. No, it was one of my old batteries that I had that I think I had left in the garage and had gotten really, really huge. I don’t remember what it was then. So we cut the lead or cut the connector off, and then Ron quickly tied the leads together and he put it in his burn barrel and what happened was the, the batteries, the cells, the individual cells swelled.

[01:06:24] To the point where they broke the tab that connected them. They disconnected themselves and stopped the process. So maybe, maybe that three cell would have gotten to that point and then would have stopped. But

[01:06:35] You just never know you never know it was going and smoke was rolling boys yeah that’s scary I still.

[01:06:41] Think- I still think- that has to do with the fact that they fell from 200 feet in the air onto the ground. It had to completely open. They were not protected by anything, it was just the batteries.

[01:06:52] Now the batteries themselves. When I picked them up out of the field, I would have never used them if they’re in the slightest bit damaged. But there wasn’t a scratch on these batteries- sometimes not.

[01:07:01] A scratch, not a wrinkle, nothing, nothing. Sometimes, though, it’s just the, the jolt that it had been internal damage, something from, yeah, from inside that you just didn’t know. But the casing itself, the.

[01:07:12] Shrink wrap wasn’t damaged. There was. There wasn’t a dent in the cell. I mean, I’ve damaged batteries in the past. I’ve had them slam forward into the back of a motor and things like that- and I was like, well, I don’t know if I’m gonna use those or not. I always do. They’ve been fine. But these batteries were absolutely perfect, so I had no qualms whatsoever about using them and they had been used a couple times since then with zero issues. Yeah, yeah, that’s- you just never know- very, very lucky, yeah it, I mean.

[01:07:42] I know it’s. It’s a problem. I mean, that’s one of the issues with LiPo batteries: is you got to be careful with them, and that’s why everybody says: stay with it when you’re charging. Here’s the thing that.

[01:07:53] Scares me is: there was, there was no warning. You got like no warning whatsoever. My charger gave me the warning. Well, and I mean, then, all of a sudden there was smoke, which okay, well, let’s say you were. You were on the other side of the truck, would you have heard that? I would have never heard the charger.

[01:08:10] Yeah like you don’t hear it like when it does it’s finished well but all that but like my with you.

[01:08:15] Know, a mokey or something running in the background, yeah, or my charger. Even it makes all kinds of different beeps and stuff and you just hear the beep and I’ll just hear it. I’m like, yeah, it’s just.

[01:08:24] Doing his thing. If it’s a different beep, though, because he said it beep like you’d never heard it before. It was more like a beep: beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. It’s like: yeah, that would make you.

[01:08:34] Think something sounds different. What’s going on? It’d be interesting to see if there was like a, a graph- I know that there’s probably some chargers out there that can do that- they could provide you a graph of like: okay, well, here’s what the voltage was doing right before you shut it off or before it hit shot. Everything was hunky dory. Then, yeah, chernobyl something. Yeah, that’s scary LiPos don’t.

[01:08:57] Leave them unattended I agree though but let’s not poo-poo on LiPos no I’m not I’m just saying.

[01:09:02] Use caution, that’s all. They’re safe. I’m not poo-poo. I use LiPos, I know I mean I’ve put stuff on charge and wandered off to the bathroom or took a shower and came back. I do it all the time and I do it all cautious. Now I charged yesterday. I have a big 12 inch by 12 inch ceramic floor tile that I charge all my LiPos on at home- me too- just because, yeah, yeah, I can’t say I do that, but I do keep them in an ammo can even better. Yeah, because if it goes off it’s contained. There’s only

[01:09:35] So much oxygen in that 50 cal can and yeah, yeah, that’s where you store them too. Yeah, that’s where they’re stored. I don’t charge them in there, yeah, because I don’t want them setting them all off. It’s.

[01:09:44] Like the firework store. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I store mine in the refrigerator like I- I don’t know if that’s really big ammo, can yeah? Yeah, I kind of well, at least they’ll be cool when they go off. Yeah.

[01:09:57] So there we go well everything else will get hot when they go off so something else that happened.

[01:10:02] Is treated I was really frustrated with my ix12 transmitter as I frequently am so okay.

[01:10:09] I did not bring my transmitter with me, and this is kind of what prompted the this whole issue. I use your transmitter for the ultrax when I bought it in order to be able to fly it. Yes, and you experienced my frustration, and I was. I was aghast, I was shocked, I was taken aback. I was quite the whole time. You thought I was just being impatient. I did, but like I did not have problems with mine, mine has worked okay. I mean like it has some lag to it, but nothing that I couldn’t get over, right?

[01:10:40] Yours was terrible, terrible, right, I mean to the point where you were not making it up. No, you were not making up things when it was what takes five minutes to turn on and bring up a model.

[01:10:53] It did. Yeah, I was so, yeah. So I got home that night and I told myself, okay, I’m I’m gonna figure this out, because Ron’s transmitter is not like this. And I’m reading all the stuff on the, on the rc groups forum and the other forums, it’s like what am I not getting? What is going?

[01:11:13] On here so and oddly enough my like what I thought you should do is just send it back in yeah and I’m.

[01:11:21] Glad. Yeah, Ron’s solution was to send it to horizon and let them tell me how stupid I am, because that’s, that’s ultimately what it boils down to. I was not actually installing the firmware updates. I was downloading them, but I wasn’t installing them. So with the app and stuff, now I’m an old curmudgeon. I don’t, me and technology we don’t hang right. So, but you did, but I got it figured out. I actually downloaded the latest firmware and installed it this time and actually completed.

[01:11:53] The process and I can say now that I am in love with my ix12 I really like it now and see that.

[01:12:01] Makes me so happy yeah because like you got it yeah when you got your ix12 you talked about how.

[01:12:08] Much you liked it and stuff yeah and it’s weird like when I first got it was like it is now right.

[01:12:12] And then I got mine and then you’re like, oh, if I didn’t know how this was gonna be, I wouldn’t have gotten this transmitter, blah, blah. Yeah, I was at that point with the frustration, but you didn’t experience that with yours, right? But I assumed we were still dealing with the same thing. Oh, like, until I picked up your transmitter and tried to bind something to it and tried to do anything with it exactly. I mean, you push a button on there, like you push set up a new model and it sits there and it takes a minute and a half before it was. It was really, really frustrating, kid you not? It was very.

[01:12:47] Bad. So and then I also, if, if, for anyone else that has one of these transmitters- or I imagine the ix20 is probably similar- or any other any other android enabled, yeah, turn off the automatic app update thing, like I can’t tell you exactly how I did that, but what was happening was, whenever it would, whenever it would bluetooth to my phone- because it can do that- it would find a, a signal or cell service and it would try to update all the all the apps that are on it that are out of date or

[01:13:20] Whatever apps that I don’t use, like uninstall them. Well, you, some of them you can’t like. You can still disable them. Then yeah, which is what I did- okay, but I can’t like uninstall them. But if you can also go in there and turn off all automatic updates- and I think that may be the biggest thing- that helped me out, because it was just trying to update everything while I was trying to push buttons and that just didn’t, it didn’t work. So now lagging and now it’s really good. I like it a lot now. So, yeah, there you.

[01:13:51] Go. Yeah, I’m glad that we went up to streeter and did that, because that prompted me to then really sit down and devote some time to it, which really didn’t. It was like 20 minutes and.

[01:14:01] Like I said had I known how bad it was on yours I would have urged you to do it earlier I didn’t know.

[01:14:08] How absolutely you thought I was just being impatient and like childish but no it was actually.

[01:14:14] Really well, I did because I, like, I understand there is a little bit of a lag with them. Yeah, there is, and that I can deal with part of it. Yeah, and I thought that’s what you because it’s. It’s not the same as turning a dx8 on, waiting three seconds and then saying, okay, I’m ready to fly, yeah, no, no, it’s completely different. Yeah, however, I will say, even if that is not in the airware software, it defaults to the last thing that you flew. It does, and as soon as you turn it on it, as long as you have the orange, yeah.

[01:14:40] As long as the transmitter is on yeah it’s it’s illuminated transmitting whatever lab the last.

[01:14:45] Model was so you don’t have to be in that program for it to work correct. Yeah, yeah, which is good to know. So if that program ever airs out while you’re flying, it will still transmit. It defaults back to being a dumb transmitter, I think is what it seems like. Yes, I wouldn’t agree with that. So nice transmitters now we’re happy with them. So, all in all, a great rc weekend. Yeah, that was a great.

[01:15:09] Week that was a really good streeter guys are great up there just wonderful bunch of guys.

[01:15:13] And we did. As Ron mentioned, we did make a little side trip to brian’s, which is always a good time, and we’re not the only ones that bought airplanes while we were there. Oh, I forgot, daniel bought one. Yeah, my brother bought a big stick of some sort. I loved it, though with a g26 on it. Yeah, yeah, I really liked it. So we took that to the field and we’re you guys were going to try to fly it, but it had a

[01:15:38] Little motor issue had a bent crankshaft on it. We talked to brian and brian is the best he really is. He took care of it. We’re now in possession of another g26 without a bent crankshaft. Yeah.

[01:15:52] Yeah, and it looks really we got it right here. It looks like it’s in really good shape too. So, yeah, I think I think that’s going to be a fun airplane- by far the best excellent customer service. Yeah, so it’s a pretty airplane too. Whoever built it really did a good job. Dark blue and cream creamish.

[01:16:08] Colored yeah but done well yeah oh yeah it’s beautiful yeah he’s not real crazy about the cowl.

[01:16:13] I think we’re going to do away with the cowling on it. Yeah, I kind of like it, like I don’t know why I like it, or maybe you could reshape it or something make it look like a square box. I kind of liked it like the way it is. It’s kind of I’m with dave. I’m not a big fan, of course you are I’m.

[01:16:26] Thinking like a eindecker type cowl I could put it like a round cowl oh yeah I could see that there.

[01:16:32] You go. That would be easy to do too, and since a six, kind of an eindecker anyway, yeah. Yeah, you could probably fashion a two liter bottle somehow to paint it up. Well, fiberglass specialties does all those.

[01:16:43] Cheap brown cows yeah why would you do that tommy just get a real one instead of a two liter bottle.

[01:16:49] Ah ow that was rude but he’s a he’s bound determined flight without a cowl so I think we’re going to be.

[01:16:57] Open air in it if you have to change the motor anyway you might as well just not put the cowl on.

[01:17:01] At least for now yeah the problem is the two pounds of lead that were in the cowl we got to.

[01:17:06] Relocate on how to figure out how to, yeah, well, and unfortunately, yeah, the g26. It doesn’t give you that nice big flywheel that you get on the older. Well, I’m thinking some standoffs would go a long way.

[01:17:17] To move that motor forward a little bit so we get rid of maybe half of that lid that’s actually a.

[01:17:21] Really good idea. Maybe I wanted to say, though, going back to the brian with this whole motor thing. When you buy a used airplane, you’re buying it as is, as a used airplane. True, so he could have told you to pound sand, this is what you bought, but I was very impressed that he gave you another motor to put on.

[01:17:41] Yeah just you can’t ask for anything better yeah I know like I fully can’t say enough good.

[01:17:47] Things about: yeah, me too, yeah he’s, he’s like my go-to, like I don’t even think about going to another shop right now. No, why would you? I mean because they’re like, let’s be honest, stock stuff there’s, there’s, there’s some that are closer. There are not a lot closer, but they’re closer. But they’re not him and they’re not, and their shop is definitely not his shop. They’re not as fully stocked.

[01:18:08] Like I said, did I mention the radian that I wanted in stock up there? Couldn’t buy it on horizon right, the ultrax, not only did he have one of them for me to buy, he had a second one, if you decide to buy one sitting there too, and he sold it since then. Yeah, so he moved some airplanes. Yeah, I’m impressed.

[01:18:27] And he is in the middle of nowhere it really is before it’s. And yeah, it’s amazing. And if you’re a listener of the show, if you couldn’t tell already, we’re huge fans of Dynamic Balsa in leonore, illinois. So there you go. Okay, and that’s not even a paid sponsorship. No, I mean we say that because we really like it. We get good deals with him. But well, I think he gives, I think he gives every, I’m sure, good deals to. Yeah, I think he, yeah, I think he does a really good job of. And, let’s be honest, he’s been in business for how long? I mean, it’s like a long time, yeah, I don’t know how long, but

[01:19:00] 12, 15 Years- I think he said something like that. You’re not going to be in business that long if you provide crappy customer service. Very true, do what I’m saying so and shout out to brian.

[01:19:09] Not to be overly whatever to him. Would you stop it anyway? You went up there this weekend without oh for father’s day. Yes, not telling any of us. By the way, I’m not hurt too much, it’s okay. I expected that was something that was happening. I expected that, and he gave you something. He did so.

[01:19:30] I’ll try to make a really long story short because I know we’re running long but so.

[01:19:36] Wife and I did a long bike ride father’s day weekend. We got done with our bike ride and then lori was like: hey, what do you want to do? I was like we don’t have anything to do. And she said: hey, I’ve been kind of wanting to see this hobby shop you guys always talk about. So of course I’m like: okay, well, let’s go. So we went up to brian’s saturday, which is the day before father’s day and which is the day I sat at home all day by myself and I did not invite anybody to go with me because it was such an impromptu trip and I figured everyone else was probably busy, nope, and

[01:20:06] They weren’t, so I don’t feel bad about it. You shouldn’t. Actually, I’m very happy. So we did, we up there and I showed, I got the show, lori, the, the shop and she. She was actually.

[01:20:16] I don’t want to say overwhelmed, because that’s probably overstating it, but she was like: okay, I see why you guys like coming up here. She’s like you guys are weird for liking this, but I get it. No, she, she totally gets it. But yeah, while I was there, brian handed me a box. He said: hey, I know you guys are thinking about building a ford trimotor, we’re building one. And he hands me a sterling, which is, if you’re not familiar with sterling, it’s a company from the 50s and 60s and I guess they went into maybe the 70s balsa airplane kit manufacturer. They did a lot of peanut.

[01:20:52] Scale and half a type stuff, really small wooden airplanes, kind of like the gillows and the dumas, small kits. Hands me a brand new, in the box ford trimotor peanut scale airplane kit, because he knows that we’re going to build a big one, like I mean, and hands it to me and he says: here, take this, I think you guys might like about you guys. Yeah, you go, yeah, that’s awesome. So and he did that like as soon as I walked in, like I, I said, hey, brian, how’s it going? He’s like: oh, hey, come here, I got, I got this for you. I mean, just a, just a, what a, what a wonderful guy. He’s awesome. So, yeah, Ron’s.

[01:21:28] Gonna build this thing? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don’t think that’s what I said. Well, I said you should build it because I don’t have time. Well, I don’t have a lot of time either.

[01:21:39] So, but it should get built. I think so too. Yeah, yeah, and it’s a kit that’s already ready for building, as opposed to we have to start from scratch. In all honesty, what would that take to put?

[01:21:50] Together I’m not talking about covering it I’m talking about actually just building just framing.

[01:21:53] It up framing that building we could probably frame it up between the two of us in a weekend probably.

[01:21:57] Maybe that should be a thing maybe dave doesn’t think we can do it that fast.

[01:22:03] Between the two of us who you haven’t seen the quality of my work. I can do a lot of stuff together really fast. You’d be surprised. Oh boy, so sounds like a build net coming up. Yeah, that’s not a bad idea. That’s actually a pretty good idea, yeah, so last thing. Okay, let’s get to the very last thing we’ll talk about. I have nothing to add to this conversation, because I sat at home all day with my family when you for father’s day. I’m so jealous you got to go out and do some flying. It was yeah.

[01:22:39] So my wife asked me, bless her heart, she said: what do you want? Some time ago she said: what do you want to do for father’s day? And I’m like, well, one of our kids is deployed and one of the other kids- we have three- one of the other kids was working and so I’m like everybody’s working. I’ll just, you’re gonna go down to see your dad and no offense, but that’s not my dad. So I think I’m just gonna hang out at home and kind of do just, I’ll just do you. Do you boo me for a day, yeah, and she’s like cool, you do that. So I did, and what I did.

[01:23:15] I went to the field and then I went to the church to fly some more. I mean, it was like all day flying. It was awesome. What’d you fly? I flew everything like well, I flew. Let’s see counting the planes that weren’t mine, that I also flew. I flew nine airplanes, nine different airplanes we forgot to talk about.

[01:23:37] By the way when you’re talking about the airplanes you flew what did you get at brian’s you bought an.

[01:23:43] Airplane I did. I bought a used the e-flight- is it e-flight, I think, or is it a hobby zone? I think it’s an e-flight v900. Yeah, the fast plane, yeah, which we saw at rc fest and I was like I gotta have one of those. Yeah, you like fell in love with that. I did, you saw it, and brian had a used one there in the shop. It was in pretty good shape so and he made me a killer dealing in which brian makes us killer deals. It seems like a lot. So, yeah, I brought that home from that weekend. But, yeah, so father’s day I flew that airplane. So I did six maidens, like I made six airplanes that were.

[01:24:18] New to me on father’s day yeah it was a really great day beats my best weekend ever most.

[01:24:24] I’ve ever made in one weekend is four oh I didn’t know it was a competition so yeah I win.

[01:24:30] Not yet, because I haven’t had my good weekend yet. My, I’ve got one. Six is the number to beat. Now I’ve got six sitting over here ready to go, so I will listen for maiden. I just don’t have a way to.

[01:24:40] Get into the field. So the pits biplane that I got from brian not so long ago, I made in that one flies nice not so long ago, and then I made the v900 that I just got, which also flies really nice, and that’s just on three cells. I can’t wait to put the four cell in it. What’s what battery does that take? By the way, for four cell, I’m going to put a four cell, 2200 in it, okay, and I’ve got a couple 3300s. I didn’t know if you want. I don’t know if a 33 will fit, because that even the three cell- 22, 22, 2200 that I have was a tight fit and I could put the four cell on it, but it does bulge a little.

[01:25:17] Bit oh yeah I got a four cell 2200 laying around the one that goes in the excalibur yeah oh you have.

[01:25:23] One yeah I showed it to you the four cell 2200 yep oh forgive me for forgetting yeah I do that a.

[01:25:32] Lot. It’s okay, I thought it was a three cell that you showed me, that was a four cell, that was that new one from amazon. It was an amazon, but anyway. So I those I’ve made in those two. And then bob gave me a little 40 size ultimate biplane for some work I did. I made in that one and I also made in the christian eagle that I got from jim stuckey. Remaden, that right remaden because I went nitro with it because it is no longer electric. So I got those four airplanes while I was at the field and then I went

[01:26:02] Home, swapped and put three different airplanes in and went and met Reggie at the church. And so I made in that big edf foamy jet that takes the really scary six cell- what are they? Five thousands, yeah, I think. So made in that which man for a big chunk of foam. That thing actually flies really nice with the retractable gear and flaps and has lights, by the way. So I made in that, no that. And then I made our little, or my little chipmunk, which also flies nice, and then I flew.

[01:26:32] My umx s box while I was there too so okay it was a good day let’s I hate saying this but we’re we’re.

[01:26:41] Kind of coming around to foam. Yeah, moment of silence. Yeah, well, here’s so. Here’s how I justify it in my simple little mind. Right? So we’ve, we’ve built airplanes with balsa for many, many, many, well, I have for many, many, many years, and dave has too. And you’ve built some with balsa too. And if you look at it as a building material like, balsa is a building material and foam is a building material, no different.

[01:27:13] Than carbon fiber is now a building material. You can build things out of anything and if you look at it that way, I can kind of rationalize why it is that I that I have such an aversion to foam. And I think what it is the foam airplanes that are like the flat pieces of foam. They don’t to me. They don’t look like models of real airplanes. Does that make sense? Like the molded styrofoam?

[01:27:44] Stuff like the v900, for example. To me it looks like stiletto. If you’re familiar with stiletto, it’s a p51 that’s been modified for reno air racing. It has a very similar shape to and it, so it looks to me like a model of a real airplane. These little flat foamies, they. They don’t look like models, so that maybe that’s why they don’t interest me. But definitely, folded edges, yeah, exactly, but I, like you said, I’m definitely these little foam like this ultrax man. What a blast to fly. The thing is it flies so.

[01:28:17] Well, it really does. I mean it’s so. Yeah, so the, the radiant, I got this foam. Yeah, crystal didn’t know it was foam. She came down here. She came down here and almost scolded me, judged you very. I felt belittled, yeah, if, if I mean I did. She came down. She’s like: what are you doing? I’m like I’m putting this airplane together- this is one that we saw at flight or at rc fest and stuff- and she’s like, oh, she comes up and looks at and she’s like: is that foam? She like yells at me a little bit and I’m like: yes, oh my.

[01:28:53] What do you mean? It’s foam, it’s okay. Oh my, I didn’t think you guys liked foam. It’s like: well, it’s. I’m starting to rub off on you guys a little bit. You are, I mean honestly, yeah, here’s the thing. I will admit, as she was looking over the radian and judging you and judging me with those judgy eyes, she’s like this is already dented. I was like, yeah, yeah, it is actually. That’s what foam does. It’s a.

[01:29:26] Drawback of foam, unfortunately. Yeah, I mean like you can put the same amount of pressure on a built-up balsa airplane and you will leave no scars, but you do that with, I mean, and like I said, that’s just foam and that wasn’t even really me doing a lot of stuff to it. It was getting out of the box and stuff I thought being careful and maybe it was that way before I got it, I mean, I don’t know, I didn’t look it over and I got it out right. But yeah, you can see where it’s got a little bit of indentations and stuff in it from being handled. Yeah, and it’s going to get uglier the more it gets flown.

[01:30:00] As you take it apart put it together put it in the box take it out of the box but if you if you.

[01:30:05] Approach it with the mindset of: okay, this is not a scale model of a particular airplane, this is a, a tool that I’m using to have fun with maybe. Maybe you can rationalize it that way and it’s.

[01:30:20] Not. I guess that’s not even true. Never mind, I was gonna say it’s not as expensive as a balsa airplane. They can be. That’s why I backtrack. I have a thousand dollar pile of foam out in the

[01:30:31] Garage and that f15 eagle, what and what? Oh, my big 90 millimeter free wing. I forgot about that by time. I swap motors out of it, speed controls and all that I’ve got. There’s about a thousand dollars in that eagle. I don’t think I’ve seen that one. It’s, I repainted it. I did it for I’ve not seen this one yet. Okay, yeah it. It requires an eight cell battery and I’m kind of in between eights right now. Can I make up my mind if I want to go a six and a two again or two fours? Ouch, yeah, I do a six and a two, that’s.

[01:31:03] What I previously did was a six and a two, but then again, if you get two fours, you can use those in something different. I don’t have too many four cell planes, but I’ve got several six lines. Yeah, I was.

[01:31:11] Gonna say you can use a six and a two in other planes too oh I gotcha yeah not as many two cells.

[01:31:18] Though no, there’s not a lot, but yeah, I don’t know. But that’s kind of my thought on the foam stuff now is it’s just, it’s as long as it’s not okay. So like I don’t expect to have the radian for as long as I will have- I’m just looking around the balsa ones like the, the pacer or the chipmunk. I don’t expect to have it that long and I’m okay with that and I think, as long as that going into it, that you don’t have that longevity where it’s going to be as nice for as long as some of these other.

[01:31:48] Planes are then it’s fine yeah yep I don’t disagree but now that all tricks that’s just so.

[01:31:56] There’s just nothing yeah I can’t that should last a long time it should and even if it doesn’t.

[01:32:01] You get another one I mean unfortunately I think I probably would but as much fun as I think as a fly.

[01:32:06] Yeah, so I don’t know. So, yeah, we’re coming around. Yeah, we like what it’s not like. We poo-pooed on them hardcore, but we were definitely of the frame of mind to. We were the old people.

[01:32:22] And unfortunately I don’t I don’t I’m not proud of us for coming off that way because that was never.

[01:32:28] The intent, when it’s not. Like we’ve not had foam airplanes, right, true, like I’ve got some beautiful models that dave built for me, like it’s. It’s weird. I don’t even consider those foam, I know, even though that’s exactly what they are, but there’s balsa construction in them too, yeah, so they’re almost like a hybrid, but they look so much like their scale, their full scale, right here, because that’s what they are. They’re models like I don’t even, I don’t even consider that they’re foam. Well, plus, they don’t look like foam because you did such a nice job of filling, so that is just another use.

[01:33:01] As a different material to build with instead of wood exactly they were used the foam as a.

[01:33:06] Building material instead of wood. Exactly, yeah, as opposed to, like, I think, where we always come across with, like the epo, foam or the epp. It’s just you can see the expanded cells. Yeah, and that’s what we, I think I can. Yes, for you. I don’t know about dave, but that’s what we don’t like. Yeah, that’s.

[01:33:26] Where I’m at with my big t28 right now. It was a repaint, so it’s now in southeast asia camo, so it’s the darker colors instead of white. Yeah, it looks good, it sits out in the sun and it’s alligatored really bad. The texture to the foam has really changed because of those darker colors absorbing more heat, more heat, yeah, and it’s starting to look kind of bad in my book, yeah. So what do you do? Fix it or go away from? Yeah, it’s me, I’ll fix it, I’ll. I’ll get bored one winter afternoon and start sanding on it and filler and sand and fill and sand and fill and repay and that’s and that’s.

[01:33:57] Kind of where I’m at with that big edf jet, now that I know it flies good. And boy does it fly good for three minutes. Yeah, that’s something else I learned. Edfs are really, really hard on the.

[01:34:11] Batteries like my eagle is three and a half minutes and you are done you have to be on the ground right.

[01:34:17] Not your bird eagle not right this is where I get 15 eagle yeah right but same thing the jet that.

[01:34:26] I have it’s. It’s got the alligator that you can definitely see the, the lumps and bumps from that was in a fire. Well right, but I’m actually considering now- okay, now that I know this thing flies really nice, maybe I’ll take as much of the paint off of it and fill as much of this in as I can and sand it down and repaint it in some kind of- believe it or not- the lightweight spackle.

[01:34:49] Just like you would a balsa airplane works just the same yeah sands just the same so now that’s where.

[01:34:55] I’m at, I’m thinking about doing that with this thing. How weird I know. And it’s foam I’m, but it flies. So nice, this thing- yeah, funny story. So like when I test flew that thing- I mean it was- it was like a beautiful maiden, it really was like I. I was so proud of myself. Yeah, I would like to have seen it. But I had my timer set for five minutes, like that’s what it defaults, like so that’s what my transmitter defaults to. And I saw I was like, oh, 5 000 milliamps, five minutes, I’ll be down, I’ll be.

[01:35:26] Down before five minutes. Well, I was. I was having so much fun and it was doing so well that I kept flying and I didn’t hear the. I was having such a good time. I wasn’t listening to the transmitter, but it did. It beeped at the five minute mark and said: hey, your time’s up. Well, I kept flying, like are you, I think. I think I did another lap and then I landed and I was a minute 29 over the timer, so it was like six minutes and 29 seconds. Now. Granted, I wasn’t at full throttle the whole time.

[01:35:58] Either right, because I was testing out the flaps and seeing how I did, at low speed, the things you do on a maiden, but I landed, which. The landing was beautiful, by the way. I landed it right on the asphalt right in front of me, with nobody there to verify this. Reggie was there. Does your arm hurt? Reggie was there. He saw it patting yourself and Reggie even complimented me on like how well it flew. Well, that’s because that was the airplane, not me. Well, also, if he’s.

[01:36:22] Complimenting you on your landing he’s comparing it to his landing well that’s so could be true.

[01:36:28] Low bar but anyway I pulled the battery out and of course the battery was nice and toasty and I.

[01:36:33] Was like oh that’s what he meant on discord gosh he posted yeah how’s the battery because it was yeah.

[01:36:38] It was like wasn’t scorching, but it was definitely. I couldn’t hold it in my hand longer above room temperature. Yeah, yeah, and I put it on my. I put it on the checker. 10 Is where it was at. Wow, so like I let it cool off. I didn’t put it in the car, right, because, yeah, we’ve heard stories about things that happen. Six cell battery- that scares me- 24 point or whatever the voltage is. So, yeah, I let it cool off before I put it in the car and then when I got home I it.

[01:37:09] Was cool. By the time I got home I put it right on the charger and got it up to the storage charge and it didn’t. It didn’t puff up on me. So is it the voltage that scares you? I don’t know. It’s probably the voltage at that amperage is what scares me. Well, the amps aren’t there, unless you. You can, yeah, you pull five amps easy. An amp will kill you, like what about? Like a golf cart battery?

[01:37:31] Our golf cart is 36 volts that doesn’t scare you got to get into the different frame of mind.

[01:37:37] Yeah you’re right I don’t disagree I’ve been bit by the telephone system multiple times that’s.

[01:37:42] 50 Volts surprise how much yeah voltage go through or goes through telephone so when I was swapping.

[01:37:48] The connectors on the six volt battery because they came with those stupid. I’m sorry, I hate singing out, excuse me, I hate those blue, the old e5 connectors. Yeah, I don’t have those on, so I was swapping the connectors over and, yeah, I welded my freaking X-Acto blade to the to the wires while I was trying to weld it. That’s how much power goes through those things. I’ve welded a.

[01:38:11] Well, when you’re trying to switch into my car with a 12 volt battery, yeah no, but why are you what? What do you mean? Did you cut both of them at once? No, I was using those, so I like dean’s connectors.

[01:38:24] So when I bought those dean’s connectors at dean’s for that much amperage not a good idea no why.

[01:38:31] Because dean’s are only made for what 50 amps or something 50 you can push them to 70 but 50 is.

[01:38:37] Really the cutoff we used them in like my three cell race cars and we pulled way more than 50 amps in.

[01:38:44] Those things but not continuously yeah well true yeah you need an xt90 in them yeah or stay with those ec5s.

[01:38:53] Switcher. I like the xt90s anyway. So anyway, I was using the dean’s connectors that you don’t use the shrink wrap with. They have that little cup that slides over the warehouse. Love those, by the way, yeah, except when I’m welding. Welding, when I’m soldering a dean’s connector on, I do one lead at a time. Slide the shrink wrap over it, shrink it so that I can’t do that and these don’t work that way. So

[01:39:18] Yeah, that’s why I like the xt or gosh xt60s that I use. When you solder them on, you actually flip it over, because where the wire sits in as a little cut out, it’s on the opposite side, right, but they’re.

[01:39:30] Still close together and you still got to be careful. Yeah, I don’t know how many times I short-circuited stuff. Well, it scared the jesus out of me because it sparked and I had to pull the blade off real quick because I didn’t want the battery to go off. So anyway, yeah, there you go. That’s amazing, that was.

[01:39:47] My father’s day. It was awesome. So I have a challenge for you. For me, yeah, I haven’t said anything about this because I just thought about while we were recording, oh, while you’re off for your two weeks.

[01:39:59] Oh here it comes what go ahead what do you think I’m gonna say who knows very true.

[01:40:06] You need to try and get the hobie hawk set up. Oh yeah, I should. I mean, I’m serious, you really should. Yeah, yeah, because I don’t have a glider right now. If you can get that done, we can work on, or I can work on, or whoever the Telemaster would like to try them. Okay, I think that challenge accepted, okay.

[01:40:28] Nice. So, dave, do you remember the hobie hawks vaguely? Yeah, huge, well, not huge, oh they’re, they’re pretty good size. Well, not compared to like some of your new stuff, well, but it’s still a good size. But yeah, it was a unpowered. Yeah, it’s an unpowered glider 70s maybe. Yeah, they were made in by the same company they made the hobie surfboards. Same company made a glider way back. I didn’t know that. Yeah, is it real? Okay, same company. Yeah, but that is, for some reason, an airplane.

[01:41:00] Tommy forgets that he owns. Yeah, I don’t know how many times it sits in a styrofoam box for storage. It’s designed to be carried around in this thing and it just kind of sits in the corner of my shop.

[01:41:10] And I don’t even think about it. Well, you work on that. I’ve got plans for a foam cg4 transport glider and I thought about doing an aero tow with that. We’ve got the perfect vehicle for towing we do.

[01:41:24] The Telemaster. I thought you were going to say the tesla, it’s oh well, but I mean for towing a glider. We have the. Yeah, it’s, it’s definitely a glider with it. It’s definitely over why you could. Oh, that reminds me I saw a video somebody doing that. I was thinking that glider with a, with a vehicle, yeah.

[01:41:42] Yeah, yeah, I mean, that’s a, that’s a thing, okay. Yeah, I was actually thinking about using my big l4 as a tug. Perfect, I love that airplane. I want to see that again. You should get one of your. Oh, you’ve.

[01:41:53] Got one no I’d like a big one day but one day you could get one of those cub crafters things and.

[01:42:00] Then recover it as an l4. That’d be kind of cool, that would be kind of cool, but anyway, so I’ll be hawk. Yeah, that’s challenge accepted. I can. Two servos, a five cell, a force in imh. Yeah, because I don’t think if I don’t think a five cell will fit in it and it takes it’ll have to be a square, all those little square bags too. But yeah, but yeah, I can, yeah, I can, I can probably make that.

[01:42:22] Happen, there we go. Cool beans, fun gliders- can’t wait. And foam- that’s the next step. Gliders and foam for our break. Anything else you guys want to? We’ve rambled on, for this is very long, yeah, anything.

[01:42:38] Else you want to talk about before we get off here I’m good everybody enjoy you guys in august yeah.

[01:42:43] Talk to you guys. Enjoy your july and we will see you when we get back. Sounds good, sounds good to me all right until next time. Thank you for listening. I’m Ron. I’m Tom. I’m dave.

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