Ep 121: 2023, Here we come!

[00:00:01] No don’t hit that we just sat there for five minutes waiting for it to stop and then you hit.

[00:00:11] It again. Hello everyone and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. That is all in there. Now you chiding me, is the beginning of episode number one of 2023. Hello everyone, I’m Ron, I’m Tom and I’m dave. Happy new year. Happy new year, everybody. I started my new year off by getting yelled at by tommy for pushing the button. He is. I’m not gonna apologize if that’s what you’re waiting on. I was, but that’s okay. How’s everybody doing? Great good, you guys are so exciting.

[00:00:48] So I wanted to start off by saying one quick thing about the electro streak. So we talked about how it might not be easy to build if you don’t have the, the adjusto jig because of the wings. So I have added a clean set of rib drawings and standoffs to the website. So that’s actually on a pdf file on the website. If you go the electro streak, you can download that, print it off on your own printer at 100 and it will be perfect, true to size, and then it has the standoffs on it to where?

[00:01:20] You can cut them out yourself and build it on a flat on a flat building board nice yep good deal.

[00:01:25] Much easier no kidding and it’s not a terribly difficult airplane to build anyway so other than.

[00:01:31] The wing, no other than wing. Well, so I’m told I haven’t started mine at all. Well, I have neither I know your stuff out of mine. I haven’t even cut mine yet. Yeah, I at least have the parts you cut for me. Yeah, everyone else’s is cut and shipped and they should have them by now, but I haven’t done.

[00:01:44] Mine yet that’s how it always dave will probably be ready to fly his like next week mine is ready.

[00:01:48] For covering I’m still baffling over what I’m going to cover in so yeah racking your brain huh.

[00:01:54] Yeah, still gonna go military. I got some aluminum left over, your favorite color, I mean. It looks great on the ground, hard to see in the air for me. But dave has no problem at all. I don’t know well it does because like every other airplane he produces is aluminum.

[00:02:11] Yeah, aluminum or gray or gray. Yeah, it’s the same family, I suppose. So. Did you guys see e-flights coming out with a new mustang, speaking of aluminum? Yeah, looks good, another mustang.

[00:02:23] Yeah 1.2 Meter I’m with dave though I wish it was I wish it was a little bigger.

[00:02:29] Yeah, I know that 1.2 Size is really convenient. It fits in your vehicle well, it’s easy to store, but man, I would like it just a little bit bigger. I like the fact that it doesn’t take huge.

[00:02:41] Batteries. I think it flies on a 3s or a 4s 2200, so pretty common, yeah, pretty common, and that I can appreciate. You don’t have to have a 5 000 milliamp hour 4s or 6s battery to fly it, yeah, so that’s kind of nice. Check it out. Horizonhobbycom slash e-flight probably- well, I don’t know it. The email came from horizon, so yeah, anyway, it’s pretty cool looking airplane. It’s a mustang. Everybody seems to have mustangs for some reason. I’m not a big fan of mustangs like it, just they don’t do it for me.

[00:03:13] I like them yeah I only have the small one but I have one I have one too I don’t even have one.

[00:03:21] Oh no mustangs maybe you should change that maybe I need to it does look nice yeah maybe.

[00:03:26] That could be on your to-do list for 2023 I’ll have to repaint it well because I can’t leave.

[00:03:31] Anything alone- no, of course not this one, by the way, that they’re coming out with has done any cripes. A mighty third scheme means nothing to me, except I can see the picture, so I know what they’re talking about. Anyway, it’s sharp, I like it. I like the blue and silver. Yeah, looks good. It’s been a busy week, it’s been beautiful. Yeah, and everybody flown? No, no, I have, of course you have. I’ve gone through two new planes, not gone through. Oh, I was gonna say I have on my list. You have flown.

[00:04:02] Added two new planes to my list that I have flown this year: nice, I’m up to three. Nice, the small, the umx ultrax, got a bunch of flights on that because that’s so easy to go outside. It’s been so nice this week, yeah, until now. Yeah, now it’s cold and windy right, and the wind is going to stay.

[00:04:18] Of course because I’m I’m off tomorrow and this weekend I have a four day for you it’s.

[00:04:22] Gonna be windy all four days. It actually is. Yeah, saturday is supposed to be okay, like five to ten, but saturday is when we’re going to be out of town. Yeah, we’re going up to brian’s, which is a good thing, except for the weather would have been nice to fly- and we’re going later this time. We need to talk about that still, by the way, see who’s all going. But no, it’ll be fun. So I got that one flown and I also did the umx profile. Yak, I got several flights on that one. All here at the house. Yeah, all of those. Well, by the time I get home, it’s 4: 30 and I have to run outside because it’s dark.

[00:04:56] By 5, 10 or so. Yeah, so I just piper, take care of yourself in here and entertain. I’m gonna go and play by myself for a while. Yeah, so that’s been my week. I actually got to go out and do some stuff around here, which was kind of nice. Yeah, good deal. Yeah, starting off the beauty of that umx stuff. I know it really is starting off the year right. The batteries are easy to charge. They all charge on that one cell charger thing that I have for them. Yep, and they all fly so well, which is weird, I still.

[00:05:26] Don’t understand it, although what I’m I’m gonna tell on myself. So the umx, ultrax, flying that I was practicing flying upside down, the big one or little one, the umx, the small, oh, the small one, okay, yeah, that the other one’s called the 600 millimeter, okay, but anyway. So I was outside flying, practicing flying upside down. I was coming at myself because I didn’t want to walk all the way to the field, so I was standing up by the truck, not going where you think it’s going. Oh, has nothing.

[00:05:58] To do with the truck, but anyway. So I would come and then come right at myself and then pull up and fly away from me, right side up, which would be a push, push out. Yeah, so completely forgot. I was upside down one time and so I was coming in nice and slow, and then I would give it full throttle to pull out or whatever you want to say, to go higher in the air. Forgot, pulled down on the sticks and it went straight, nose dived right into the ground. It bounced probably three feet in the air.

[00:06:30] And I was just like this: wow, I can’t believe I did that. So I went out and it was 15 feet away from me when I did it. Nothing, yeah, like nothing, not even a crinkle. Nothing, yeah, no crinkle. No, like the front of it that’s painted black, where you can kind of see the

[00:06:50] The expanded foam beads where they mean the outlines. There’s a little bit of white on those. Other than that, nothing at all, that’s. I literally just took it and I was like okay, threw it back in the air and took off for a sharpie. Yeah, that’s a good idea. Yeah, it probably hit.

[00:07:05] It perfect like because if it had been at an angle or you had torn off a motor or a prop at least or.

[00:07:11] Something. No angle, it was just that big crash zone, that is the crinkle zone, that just, and it was. It’s wet outside, so the ground isn’t hard, and it was right onto dirt and grass. That’s awesome. It bounced and, like I said, threw it back in the air. So they are very durable, very durable apparently. Yeah, I didn’t want to find out, but now that I know I’m not as scared about it. So with that I mean:

[00:07:33] Can you count that as a crash? I mean, oh, I don’t if it doesn’t do any damage and fly it right away. You pick it up, dust it off, and that’s not, and it’s not really a crash, it’s just a really ugly landing right, unintentional, but so that’s what I would call it. I wasn’t gonna on my spreadsheet and that’s what I would call it. Oh, but you actually I wasn’t gonna. No, I would just say ugly landing or I wasn’t even gonna count it.

[00:07:57] Because you just continued the flight by picking it up and tossing it again. I just consider that a single battery as I continue to fly, because I don’t count touch and goes, and that’s what I did. It touched and well, that’s true, kind of touched and stayed slam. No, it didn’t stay, it bounced, that’s.

[00:08:11] The best part I wish. What would have you had, like the wherewithal to give it the throttle when it had bounced and take it off again now? That would have been something that would have been. I didn’t.

[00:08:20] Have that wherewithal I was too busy clenching I’ve done touching goes with the wonder that’s.

[00:08:27] Always a fun thing to do so the wonder does not have any gear that is correct right yeah and the.

[00:08:32] Glow motor and the wonder yeah so I’m assuming that was just touching the not even really a.

[00:08:38] Tail on it now it the nose is kind of curved up, just enough. I mean the prop does hang down. You can’t hit the whole fuselage, but you can definitely drag the middle of fuselage back. Oh, as it does it.

[00:08:50] Go was that intentional yeah I’ve done it multiple times oh I’ve got to see this yeah I didn’t see.

[00:08:55] It I didn’t see him do it oh by the way we have a couple of wonders we should build huh.

[00:08:59] Add it to the list. We got a lot of stuff to do, yeah, but that’s okay. I like having projects, me too. What else do we want to talk about january 1st? Should we talk about our flying? January 1st broke the new year in. Right, we actually went out flying. It was a beautiful day, gorgeous day. We were there all day. Yeah, we were there all day. It was awesome. And now I have to say, like I kinda remember the last episode we had where dave was talking about getting a new airplane.

[00:09:32] Since he was going to be building the electro streak he was going to have to take one out of.

[00:09:35] His hand or his hanger if I remember right he said something about I’d have to dumb thumb ones in.

[00:09:42] Let me hold on let me let me it’s like it’s just it’s right there let me can I remember hold on how.

[00:09:50] I’ll just have to dumb thumbs one into the ground new year’s day so dave very prophetic.

[00:09:57] Dave, are you psychic? I have bad new year’s days. I have to know what. What happened? Tell us the whole story. It wasn’t your plane, so it’s like you got it halfway right. You, you said something about crashing an airplane. We’re down a plane in the family, but it’s not mine, it’s my brother’s new.

[00:10:19] Plane. Poor daniel, I feel so bad. I do too. I really do very first flight. We were finally able to get the engine running and everything was going good. I’m always really cautious on our maiden flight, like especially a plane I don’t know, and so this one really bugs me because I don’t know what happened. We took off. I knew it was going to need some up trim because we knew it was nose heavy, but, not knowing this plane very well, we went ahead and flew it nose heavy on purpose.

[00:10:50] Just because, yeah, better to be nose heavy than tail heavy. So I expected to have to add some up trim to it, which it needed. So I put in some up trim and it needed. Let’s see, I think it was rolling to the left so I had to put in some right aileron trim. Nothing major, normal first flight.

[00:11:09] Trims, and so this was a used airplane, like we’ll get it out there. This isn’t one that was just built or anything like that. This was used airplane, new to him, and it had a weird shaped.

[00:11:21] Wing. It had the diamond shaped wing in it, which we’ve discussed before, yeah, which that didn’t bother me. Everything seemed to be fine with that. I’ve flown oddball shaped wings before. I’ve actually even had one with somewhat of a diamond wing before, and it was fine now, now, when you’re talking about diamond shape, you’re talking about the airfoil shape. The airfoil is a diamond shape. It wasn’t a diamond shaped wing, it was the airfoil thickness, yeah, yeah, so it was more straight lines.

[00:11:46] That went up and then tapered back as opposed to a nice curve yeah it wasn’t a nice curved wing but it.

[00:11:51] Was. It was fine. I’ve flown this type of wing before, so we got a majority of the trims in it. Everything was good. I was starting to make a right hand turn away from the field, which you would do on the first flight. You never want to turn back and as I’m making this turn, I realize I am now running out of elevator. I have full up elevator in it and it’s still descending. I had the wear to all the switch to high rates, so bumped up the elevator to a high rate and that didn’t seem to.

[00:12:25] Affect anything. So my hand left that there and I’ve had airplanes before where the speed has overpowered to control rods, bentum or whatever. Yeah, so I pulled back the throttle to slow the airplane down, thinking I was over speeding the elevator servo- yeah, that made no difference at all, in fact it made it worse. So I was losing that airspeed that was helping control it up, yeah, and at that point I was basically along for the ride. It was probably what? 300 Yards out.

[00:12:56] Yeah, it was out there, thanks for that. Yeah, in a muddy field, yeah, and it ended up going down and at that point it was probably back to close to full throttle because I was trying to build up some speed, because that did help keep the nose up a little bit. So I’m not sure what exactly transpired to give it the nose down that it was picking up on. Yeah, when it, when it impacted the.

[00:13:20] Ground. It hit the nose and the right wing tip, yeah, together, because I was making a right hand turn, which instantly turned it into balsa shrapnel when it there was amazingly small pieces there were. Yeah, it was crazy, yes, and then so, when we got it back to the, to the flight line, obviously the battery was disconnected. We hooked up the battery and turned the radio and everything.

[00:13:43] Worked I had full control of the airplane I just could not keep the nose up and the and the control.

[00:13:48] Rods. The push rods themselves were very solid carbon fiber. Yeah, they’re very, and there was nothing broken, nothing loose. One end of the elevator push rod push rod was bent. Probably from the impact- I would think it was a major impact- I was surprised if it wasn’t bent. Yeah, but yeah, I, it’s, it’s a.

[00:14:07] Complete mystery as to what happened. Yeah, and I hate those. Yeah, if something breaks, I can accept that, that’s fine. If I do something stupid, I can accept that. Right this not knowing. Yeah, it’s yeah if you can.

[00:14:18] Learn from it that’s I don’t want to say wonderful but you’ve had you had it’s not that you didn’t.

[00:14:23] Have control. I mean, there was a link between the transmitter and the receiver I had, because you were able to manipulate- manipulate- excuse me the throttle, and I mean it- and he had ailerons, he had all. Yeah, it responded to you. So it’s just that’s unfortunate, yeah, and I felt really, really bad because this is.

[00:14:42] I bought this for him to replace the one that the wing snapped on. Yeah, and, and we, of course we bent the crankshaft on this engine. Oh no, and I wasn’t sure about that, I was almost. Yeah, it destroyed the brand new aluminum spinner I just gave him. It was beyond even thinking about trying to straighten it out. How bad is the crank then? It’s? It’s not awful. It could be straightened. We’ve been trying to find a replacement crank for as an og 38, and it’s just not happening at this point. So I need to.

[00:15:14] I need to find a machine shop that we can see if we can get this thing straight. I don’t personally have the equipment to straighten. If I’m still in my old job, I could have probably helped you out, but I

[00:15:23] Don’t have that job anymore but there’s I bet one of the local places could probably.

[00:15:29] Could probably do it well that’s unfortunate we know somebody owns a machine shop 100 miles from here.

[00:15:35] North. That’s true, we do, or we’ll be in this weekend, two days from now, yeah, so maybe we can talk brian into. I bet you can. You went poking at it. Do you want to take it with us? I would, yeah, I would nothing else. If you can, you can tell us no, yeah, and then we don’t get anything done on it, but other.

[00:15:53] Than that we’ll go on well yeah so that was my only incident for the day yeah there was a couple more.

[00:16:01] I was just about to say but other than that it was very successful I don’t think we’ve.

[00:16:05] Talked about the other airplane’s first incidents on the podcast. Have we? I believe we have. I thought so I can’t. Okay, but just in case, let’s do a quick. Let’s do a quick one over, all right. So the

[00:16:18] Messagement 163 rocket plane I think we talked about it that we had an incident with a rocket.

[00:16:24] Motor exploding inside the fuselage yeah when you lit it exploded and I did not get to see that.

[00:16:30] No you didn’t and I didn’t record it like a fool I like a fool I didn’t record it that’s what I mean.

[00:16:36] It was quite impressive. It was. I did manage well, go ahead okay, and that did some minor damage to the airplane, but it was all put back together very quickly easily. The biggest problem I had was the retainer for the rocket engine no longer retained the engine. The engine could slide right through the fuselage, so that’s obviously a bad thing, yeah. So, being the idiot that I am, I decided just take a carbon rod and poke it through the fuselage and make a stop to keep the rocket motor from coming forward. Apparently the rocket motor hits a little hard and I think we thought possibly this one.

[00:17:10] Exploded as well, yeah, but I don’t think, going back and looking at, I don’t think it exploded like the first one did. I’m pretty sure this one, when it went off, it pushed the stop out of the way. Yeah, and allow the rocket engine to actually fly, because there’s a hole in the fuselage where the rod used to it elongated the slot, yeah, and I found the rod. The rod was jammed up inside the nose of the fuselage, okay, but it did a substantial amount of damage this time, a lot of heat damage to the fuselage. So

[00:17:42] Much so that maybe we’ll have an episode on how to repair foam. Hey, there we go. That’s a good idea. I like that, yeah, and it’s not bad and it was actually flyable. I did fly it twice more that day after the second rocket incident. But we have it on camera this time. Yeah, we do, it’s not mine’s not.

[00:17:57] Very good quality but you can just see it and it is impressive I’ll try to figure out how to upload.

[00:18:02] It to facebook. Oh, that’s on our page, yeah, so yeah, we just- I destroyed one aircraft craft completely and damaged another one, but that’s my typical january 1st. Now I got it out of the way, we’re good to go. I hope so. Yeah, hopefully that’s it for the year. Yeah, and I had a bad battery situation with these tundra, so just a short flight. We just tossed the battery. That battery has been around for many years, so it was it. Yeah, okay, I was wondering when it was going to kick the bucket and apparently new year’s day was. That was it. Yeah, yeah, but no harm, no foul, right? No, that was a good one. Yeah, I took.

[00:18:35] Off the typical five, five inch. You take off, roll, and I realized all of a sudden I don’t have the ponies I normally have. So we just pushed those over and landed, landed. Yep, good call, I had a great new year’s.

[00:18:46] Day I only took one airplane, the dave patrick ultimate with the sato 150. Oh, actually I should rephrase that I took two airplanes and forgot the batteries for the other airplane that I brought. So

[00:18:57] It sat in the car. What was the other one? The ultrax? Oh, max ultrax. Yeah, that’s right. You charge them at your my house, right? Yeah, before, and then forgot them at home, so, but anyway, yeah, four, four.

[00:19:09] Great flights I love that airplane flies really good with the 150 so I’m pretty happy with that.

[00:19:13] Combo, yeah, and so I brought the air tractor. I had fun with that. One got a few flights on that, that is so I kind of have overdone it with the battery that’s in it. I think you’re supposed to fly it on a 3300, 3 or 4s and oddly enough, with a 4s 5200 you can actually get it to balance perfectly where it’s supposed to balance. It flies so good with that battery. A little extra weight, I think, helps.

[00:19:42] Those. You seem to have a thing for more battery: 15 000? Okay, no, we’re not. No, that’s. You really think that’s overkill. That’s a lot of milliamps. I think it’s a lot of capacity. Okay, so I wasn’t planning on.

[00:19:58] Talking about this, but you brought it up, so I’m going to say something: okay, go ahead. Well, I’ll get back to the air tractor. Okay, so I have started working on the air. What is that aerotech? It’s a card and yak, oh, that one. But that’s not why I bought those like. So my goal is to have for the big planes, have one set of batteries that I can take in and out of each airplane and not have to worry about: is this charge? Is that charge? Where’s the battery that goes in this one? I? I know a lot of people use the lithium ion and the fromco and all those kind of batteries I never have, so I

[00:20:32] Don’t know how any of that works. I bought that 20 channel power safe receiver that was supposed to go in my big yak whenever I get around to doing that. And well I decided I might as well, since I have it just sitting here, use that in the 12 foot Telemaster. So I have started to get that one put together and going. And you think the batteries I bought to power that are too big. It’s a lot of battery, so I bought for the servo side of things or the radio side of things, because it’s a dual, dual battery.

[00:21:05] But yeah, yeah, they’re two cell 5000 milliamp hour deluxe times three. Well, no, no, not on the Telemaster, well not on the radio side of things. Two cell 5000 milliamp hour battery, so yeah, two.

[00:21:21] Batteries 10 000 milliamp to run. When you say it like that, hold on to run one, two, three, four, five, six, potentially seven servos. Well, they’re high voltage, digital high voltage, but they’re, they’re.

[00:21:38] Like it’s a 12 foot Telemaster, I know and I it’s, I think I’m. I guess I don’t know how simple I can do that airplane because I’m used to the big yak with everything being overkill on control surfaces, on power systems, on all that kind of stuff. Yeah, like I understand the power system is overkill on this, but the high voltage servos and 20 channels, of which I’m using six, like I get that. But I guess I just thought that they’re bigger airplanes so I can have a little bit of extra battery riding along.

[00:22:09] In them and not have to worry about charging. Oh yeah, you can. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Charge it this week and wait a year and charge it next year. Yeah, maybe, so yes, that one will be.

[00:22:18] Flying along with the card and yak with two cell 5000 milliamp hour batteries our batteries on the.

[00:22:25] Radio, and then one 2s 5000 and then a 5000 milliamp battery for the ignition. Just the looks I’m getting like, well, it’s just a lot of battery, it’s a lot of like. Those aren’t cheap batteries, right, because you bought the spectrum smart batteries. You can use your smart charger -huh, totally makes.

[00:22:45] Sense yeah but that’s a lot of battery I don’t think the battery my truck’s that big.

[00:22:53] We’ll see how it goes if I have to redo it so you have a thing for more battery than necessary so.

[00:22:58] Let’s get back to the air tractor. So with the air tractor I can get like 13 or 14 minute flights, depending on how actually I go off of that. That’s really on one battery actually, and I absolutely love.

[00:23:09] It looks not having a six minute flight. It’s a. It runs off four cell, so will two of these five thousands in a wire. I never thought of that. That would work fine. I just got a new battery for that. There you go, because it’s going to be about the same. Oh, you only got three of them, I only got three. So cool, there you go. So you’re welcome, you’re welcome. Yeah, hey, thank you. Okay, I’ll give them that.

[00:23:29] I can, yeah, now I just got to see if it fits, because those two they should. Yeah, they are okay, so they, but they should fit in there still. I think I’ll have to try that, yeah, but anyway, yes, I like to over.

[00:23:39] Power for longer run but this air tractor seems to get it seemed the more you fly it seems the better it.

[00:23:45] Gets. I’m getting more and more used to it, I think, and with the little bit extra weight I do think it flies better than with the lighter batteries I had. Yeah, and you were doing some things with it- that.

[00:23:55] Were like atypical of Ron flying airplanes, like what well, you just you were obviously comfortable with it and you were doing like the whole vertical takeoff thing and like, right, I mean that’s pretty.

[00:24:07] Cool with that battery. It still has complete unlimited vertical, which is pretty awesome. It’s funny to see an air tractor do that, yeah, but I will say I think the flaps completely useless. Yeah, the you.

[00:24:19] Landed much better without the. Yeah, yeah, I played, you let me fly, and I played with them a little bit too and I tend to agree they, they look cool. They look cool and they’re fun to play with, but they don’t really seem to maybe for a takeoff. So it you still need to have a little trim, five flap trim or whatever. But yeah, maybe on a windy day they’d be more fun, but that day didn’t make

[00:24:39] Didn’t need them. It really didn’t slow it down anymore and I felt like I had more control with a little bit more airspeed. Yeah for landing. Yeah, and that plane doesn’t have to completely slow down to a stop before you land it anyway. No, I mean, it still has a lot of control. So it’s a fun airplane. I did like the second battery I flew on. It was almost completely just touch and goes, like just sitting on the on the stand and just take off. One circuit, land, take off. I love doing that, like I could spend.

[00:25:09] All day really doing them yeah it’s what I do with the tundra just touch and go touch and go touch.

[00:25:16] And go. I know right, something else I just thought of that I wanted to bring up. That is not what we had talked about, talking about before, when you were talking about me overdoing my batteries on the, on the Telemaster. What size like, honestly, what size would be a good size fuel tank?

[00:25:34] Because I need to get one at brian’s this weekend. Well, I mean, if we’re going to stick with the theme, you may as well put a 48 ounce tank in it. Okay, I got, I got a milk jug. It’s perfect. Yeah, shove that in.

[00:25:47] The nose if you’re saying 48 ounces, way too big. The one I was looking at because there’s plenty of room, I think that’s what’s throwing me off in there. I was looking at 128 ounce. I’m thinking 20 to 32 ounce but would be plenty. But yep, 128 ounces, that’s a gallon. That’s okay, I’m not going to do that. Then maybe like how long? Because I’m I’m wanting to get a hopefully something in the 50-ish cc for that motor size motor for that airplane this weekend at brian’s. Yeah, maybe a dle, I don’t know it.

[00:26:19] Depends what he has in stock and what I get a deal on. Honestly, yes, because I want to try and be cheap, but that’s not going to happen. I’m sure how long of a flight would you expect to get on? How big a tank, just like, if you 32 ounce. 32 Ounce tank, 55 cc, roughly, so that airplane behind you the old

[00:26:37] Card and yak with that, with that da 50 on it, that would go 20 minutes on whatever size tank. That is oh okay, yeah, easily. So I’m now- granted, I’m not a 3d flyer, right, so I don’t fly around wide open and hang it on the prop and all that kind of stuff and I don’t think that one’s ever going to get. But for sport, flying that airplane easily 15, 20 minutes, what on whatever size tank is in there, and I think that’s probably either 20 or 32 at the most. All right, I have to go look. So

[00:27:10] Maybe a 32 ounce tank would be good. I think that would be plenty. I’m gonna make a note of that, but if you can fit 128, you should have you looked in there. That is huge. There is a ton of room in.

[00:27:22] There it’s a lot of weight that’s true I know just a huge CG change if you burn it off out yeah.

[00:27:29] But it’s got a lifting so you’d be able to trim as you go, which to me it isn’t. Yeah, I don’t want to trim as I go. I like airplanes that fly the same- okay, smaller tank, just more landings and refills. I’m cool with that. Well, I mean 20. Let’s be honest, we’re gonna get more. Hopefully, do glider tow with this mostly. So it’s just, I wouldn’t say mostly, take off, tow my glider up there, release it.

[00:27:52] And then you land and then you land right behind me because don’t often take that long land.

[00:27:58] When you don’t have the right, it’s mine anyway, yeah, okay, so anyway, cool, there you go, we’ll pick that up. 28 Ounces, plenty, 28 or 32, 32, 28 to 32, yeah, whatever you can find. 45, 48, Something, yeah, 128.

[00:28:14] Give me five gallon I’m just gonna put the five gallon gas can in it under the five gallon drop.

[00:28:19] Tank there you go right on the CG then you don’t have to worry about the CG change see I thought.

[00:28:23] About doing some sort of drop on that, like candy drop or something, yeah, which would be perfect, right? Like I said, if you look in there, there is nothing of room of room. Yeah, anyway, so the other: you flew the air tractor, I flew the air tractor. I was gonna say the other thing we did and I’m so excited about this: piper finally got out. Actually, there was the day before was the first time she flew her airplane. It was nice new year’s eve. You guys came out for new year’s eve. We had a fun little new year’s eve gathering and you took her out and you did some flying with her. Yeah, new year’s eve, a couple batteries and I think, I think maybe three or four flights. I’ve written down something.

[00:28:58] Like that because I was able to recharge the batteries at the field pretty quickly on that one, so she finally flew her aeroscout. Talk about a fun trainer. What a great airplane. It actually is a lot. I mean, it really is. I hate that. I like that so much. Yeah, I almost want to get myself one because it I totally get it like, especially watching you fly, you were flipping it upside down. Hands-off flight that was day inverted. That did that the first time. Yeah, completely hands-off, just straight line. I didn’t. I’m sure that’s AS3X kicking in and stuff on it.

[00:29:30] But still, but that was a trainer that can fly inverted hands off. Yeah, yeah, that’s pretty, pretty awesome. Turn safe off, like we didn’t use that at all when you were training. I just not a big fan it.

[00:29:41] Might be good for somebody that doesn’t have somebody to buddy box with which. I can understand that, but when you have somebody that knows what they’re doing, it’s more of a hindrance than a help. Yeah, but I tell you what? The wireless training system. That is awesome. That is the bee’s knees. Yeah, I kind of like that. I do too. It’s a very easy, like I said, not having a physical connection.

[00:30:00] Between the two people that are doing it is nice, and the ease like taking or taking back control of it is it’s, you don’t even have to give it a thought. Yeah, like as the instructor, you just move the sticks and you’ve got control again. I do like that you’re not having to let go of. That is awesome. I love that. Yeah, like, as soon as I see that the student is in a position where they’re not going to recover, it’s just I recover, yeah, and I don’t even have to think about it. I can.

[00:30:29] Let a student get really low on approach before I took it away from them yeah it’s it’s.

[00:30:34] Really slick so kudos to spectrum that is yeah really slick setup it’s a great system I.

[00:30:40] Mean. I’m sure fitava probably has their version of it too, but I don’t have that one spectrum. They did their homework and it looked. It works fantastic. Now I could not watch. I could not watch when you were teaching her because she okay, tell me your thoughts on it first, like how did things go with?

[00:30:59] Her for her age. In my opinion, I thought she did great, okay, I mean because, like I mean, obviously I don’t remember when I was five years old, but I remember when my kids were five years old and it was difficult to get them to concentrate for more than a few seconds on anything. Yeah, so the fact that she would concentrate, even if it was in short bursts, to me is a plus, like I think she did.

[00:31:25] Great. For all things considered, I think it was great. Okay, because she doesn’t, and she’s told me even since then that she doesn’t care to learn how to like fly, she wants to be able to do loops and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and trying to get through to her that you have to learn the basics before you can have fun and do whatever you want. It’s just not quite and that’s, and that’s the one.

[00:31:46] If there is a downside to making it easy to buddy box, that would be it, because it’s so easy for them to just go: oh, I want to do a loop, and then they do a loop and then the instructor has control again and then they just get to do loops all they want, or rolls or whatever. So I get it. But at that age I think she did great. Like, as she gets older and matures and is able to focus a little bit more and like: go out with goals. What I’m saying like: yeah, hey, this flight, let’s instead of doing loops. We’ll do loop, plenty of loops after we get the basics, but let’s just do a basic.

[00:32:20] Left hand pattern above field or whatever. Yeah, and I know that’s one thing you were working on, trying to get with her and, like I said, I just you would let her get really close to the ground, more so than I was comfortable with like it was. It was and I shouldn’t have to me, it didn’t feel.

[00:32:35] Like it was that close really no it’s like when you have that instant response yeah to me it.

[00:32:40] Did, so I didn’t watch, like I saw one that got pretty close to the ground and I just turned around and I just kept hearing you say, no piper, we’re not going to do loops. No piper, we’re not going to do loops. All right, let’s try it again. No piper, we’re not going to do loop. And so I was like, oh, come on, just that’s where you need to turn the safe on, so she can’t do loop. That’s actually a.

[00:33:00] Really good point and I think I had talked to you about. I was like, hey, what if we flip the AS3X to the next position or whatever? And then we- it was just like a passing conversation- we’re like, eh well, that may hinder the recovery if I need to take control quickly, but I think turning the safe on might be not a bad idea. What we need to do then- and it just now hit me- turn the safe on the her transmitter and leave it off on mine. Yeah, yeah, that’s so you’ll.

[00:33:27] Have to, because right now it’s only taken signal from four channels. Yeah, and we can change what signal gets passed through on my transmitter, and I think that’s a good idea. We need to do so if we.

[00:33:36] Could, yeah, if we can figure out a way to leave safe on her on the trainer transmitter, that way if I have to take it back I don’t have to flip the switch or whatever, I just have everything as soon as I move the sticks. That would be ideal, yeah, and then I think, like dave said, go back out with safe on so that she can’t do a looper roll. Yeah, I think that’s a great idea. Yeah, we’ll have to try.

[00:33:55] That one. So it’ll be boring for her. But I know- and if, like I said, she just does not like our field- I don’t know what it is, eli field- she loves that place, but she just getting her out to our local field, that’s so much closer, is more of a- yeah, I don’t want to say it. It’s more difficult, yeah so, but that was a fun day too, because you even got crystal to fly with you. Yeah, she buddy boxed with.

[00:34:21] Yeah, she twice. I got her on the, on the sticks and she did great. It’s for her first time never flying an airplane. She probably hasn’t even flown the simulator, right? No, she flew the, the mini.

[00:34:32] Vapor here, but that’s. I mean that’s very slow and three channel and I thought she did fantastic yeah. Yeah, it’s just it’s hard getting the when it’s coming to you, everything is backwards, yeah.

[00:34:43] And I- yeah, we were working on that. I was. I told her the trick that I used when I was, when I was learning: stick to the low wing. That’s what I learned. When it’s coming at you.

[00:34:51] I need to practice that because, well, maybe not- I don’t want to put anything else in my mind- I got to think of because I don’t have to worry about that yet. But, like I mean, I know instinctively how to do it without thinking about it. But, and there are, I think, the years of rc.

[00:35:05] Cars probably helped you with that yes I still think starting in cars it just flips something.

[00:35:09] In your brain yeah oh it’s coming at me I need to turning left is yeah opposite of what you right.

[00:35:15] Think it would be just by looking no I that was fun actually I had a good time with those two.

[00:35:19] Yeah we’ll have to do it hopefully more oh yeah for sure like I want to fly more I do too than we.

[00:35:25] Did last year. That’s always my goal. That’s going to be a challenge for me, but I’ll do the best I can. Well, we could break it down by months, maybe, maybe, well, I mean, we can talk about this later. But the spreadsheets- I made a small tweak to mine so that it may make it easier to determine when I actually flew.

[00:35:48] During the course of the year, each airplane, if that makes sense, like if I fly my stick five times and I want to know what days I flew them, my new spreadsheet design may be able to.

[00:35:59] Really yeah discern that I now have a spreadsheet you do yes that’s so exciting date aircraft number of.

[00:36:08] Flights notes: perfect, hey, that’s a great. That’s a great start. I have five, five flights. Nice that I think I’m at 13 right now, so far teaming. Yeah, I’m at four, so you guys all have me beat. That’s not hard if it’s only four. Do you count the ones five and a half? Sorry, right, exactly five and five point.

[00:36:34] Two maybe. Well, that was, yeah, you didn’t even make it, it was a take off, but it wasn’t landing. Yeah, that’s a half, it wasn’t a full. Yeah, you didn’t really make a full circuit. So five point four, nine.

[00:36:45] Maybe, okay, do you count the ones or no? It’s only your own airplanes, isn’t it? Yeah, I was gonna say, do you count the ones with a viper, but if it was my airplane and I was training somebody on my airplane, yes, would you like to? No, have me give that to you before, like the day of flight, I will give it. Give it to you beforehand and then you get back afterwards. No, okay, no, we’re not going to cheat the system that way. We’re going to have an actual log book here before too long, before long, yeah.

[00:37:12] That’s what it’s going to turn into I thought about that I really have oh god this would be a good.

[00:37:15] Time to start it, because I can still remember what. It’s only been three days this year. I remember what days and what three days. It’s only been one for me, so it’d be really easy to remember. Say, the faa is going to start mandating log books here before too long? Well, we’ll be ahead of the game. Then there you go. So let’s move on a little bit. Before we move on, we’re not moving.

[00:37:35] On yet you were talking about the 163 you were talking about a fix you were going to.

[00:37:41] Incorporate on the next repair. All right, so, since we’ve had some couple rocket issues, one explosion which there’s not much I can do about on that one, but it was so awesome, it was awesome, it was.

[00:37:53] Really awesome. Now hold on. Do you think that really was an explosion? The very first one was definitely an explosion, for sure. Okay, so you don’t think it? No, just gave that it was for sure.

[00:38:03] Okay, yeah, it definitely. Well, it blew the side of the airplane off, yeah, or open, yeah, but it split the tail of the fuselage like open, open, open, okay. And then afterthought on this second one, where we originally thought it exploded again: yeah, same batch engine. Well, plus on the first one, you.

[00:38:23] Actually found pieces of the engine. Oh yeah, there were parts of the engine in the airframe, so that kind of gives it away. Yeah, yeah, but the second one: you didn’t find them. No, and the.

[00:38:32] Video that we saw you could clearly see the engine flying off separately airplane.

[00:38:39] So doing some post-mortem on that one, I’m pretty sure that one did not explode, it just literally pushed its way past the stopper and went through the fuselage, and so to fix it I am going to- since I have to do some other repairs to this airplane- I am going to cut and put a literal firewall in the back of this airplane, yeah, to keep that engine from possibly ever pushing its way through again. If it explodes again, that’s gonna be a different story, but oh, it’s gonna blow the back.

[00:39:09] Half of the airplane apart if it has a solid firewall in front yeah it’s just gonna be.

[00:39:13] But this way it’s not going to be able to come forward at all. Will you try to key that? I’m going to take and cut a slot. Yeah, there you go. Okay, and actually slot in a real firewall. I like it, since I got.

[00:39:25] To do repair damage yeah I like it cool I just wanted to go back and go over the fix in case anyone else.

[00:39:32] That’s listening has one of these things has the same issue with unintended explosions in there.

[00:39:38] Hopefully we’ll have a facebook search or a youtube search here in a few months and we’ll see other people with the same issue. I have done better video: a lot of estus rockets over the years.

[00:39:47] And I’ve never, ever had one explode. Yeah, that’s crazy to me. I’ve never seen. But I got on the internet and started reading and there’s: oh, it’s happened, it’s happened. Okay, the e-engines, for some reason, are the ones that tend to explode, from what I’ve read. Oh lovely, this is a c, so it’s not the same style engine, but yeah, there it happens. It’s just, apparently I’ve been super lucky all these years.

[00:40:12] I’ve never had one go bang. Well, the first one was there was definitely a difference, like in the. In the first one that I witnessed, that was definitely an explosion, like I mean it. It was a very, very loud pop, not a, not a hiss, leading up to a pop and an orange fireball. Yeah, I mean there was a fireball and the second one, but that was just exhaust, I’m pretty sure from the motor going out. That we got on the video right, yeah, but the first one was a bang and a very large. See. Now I really wish I

[00:40:42] Would have seen that I know I wish I would have been recording I yeah I totally oh I missed the boat on.

[00:40:48] That, but anyway, I think I like that be a good repair. I think, and I think after that probably be smooth sailing. Yeah, I think, once we get through- and I got one more engine from that batch, I think I’m-

[00:40:59] Just going to throw it away. Well, I was thinking maybe you could light it on the ground. Well, rig up some sort of a dummy, mount on the ground or whatever, and light it off. I’ve done that in the.

[00:41:08] Past I can just basically put it in a vise and light it off because I mean they don’t push that hard.

[00:41:13] Yeah, there you go. So, yeah, we’ll just put it in a vise and put it out in the yard and watch, watch it do nothing, I’m gonna watch, my, I’m gonna. If you do it, I’ll show up with my phone and record it, because that fireball is pretty amazing, it is. Yeah, I don’t think it’ll explode. I think I think it was just a fluke on.

[00:41:28] That one but since these were from the same batch yeah okay cool speaking of crystal flying by the.

[00:41:35] Way, yes, I bought her a kit. It’s a willy-nilly’s kit because do you remember? I’m sure you do, because you lived it- but she was trying to make after we recorded the last episode. She said she couldn’t quite get out exactly what she was trying to say and she was trying to make a comparison between building airplanes and puzzles. She doesn’t want the thousand piece puzzle. My hands are doing the air quotes. Air quotes right. She wanted something more along the lines of a 500 piece or less or less.

[00:42:08] To begin with. So I thought the willy-nilly’s kits are probably a good start. They’re smaller airplanes, they’re all tablock, easy to assemble, really, so that will give her the basics, I think, for actually putting an airplane together. Yeah, so she actually. We were talking about colors and stuff and I showed her the colors I had and she was all excited about doing different colors. Of course she wants pink. She wants a pink that’s a sparkly pink. Oh well, of course, why would you not right? Of course, of

[00:42:39] Which I don’t have any so I told her that we were going up to ryan’s this weekend and she’s.

[00:42:43] Like well I think I want to go and I was like we don’t have room this time because we have a full.

[00:42:50] Car we do. So I think what we’re going to do if she stays as excited about it as she has been, as we’re just going to make a trip- the three of us meet her and piper up to brian’s, probably in two weeks from now. That way she can see and I’ll take a picture of what they have there and she might just tell me to pick one up when I’m there to save the trip for her, because I know it’s not super exciting for her, but it’ll be interesting to see what he has. And, yeah, kind of go from that way. So

[00:43:17] We’ll see it should be fun. Yep, yep, yeah, sparkly pink. I like I’m just saying her mulling over sparkly pink. Yeah, well, lucky, lucky for her and you and everybody that builds willy-nilly’s kids. They’re small enough to where you could probably cover them with vinyl and you can thought about, and you can get cricket vinyl. I happen to know, because we got a cricket. Yeah, I have sparkly pink. Yeah, vinyl, yeah, they make it. I mean you can get it at well, any place that sells cricket. I was

[00:43:45] Gonna say. That was. The other thing I told her too is we could. If we didn’t find a color she actually liked, we could cover the airplane in white, oh yeah, and then you could add the vinyl.

[00:43:54] However, you want on top of that, and you want a contrasting color you don’t like. Sparkly pink sounds wonderful, but when you see a whole airplane covered in spark, well, she doesn’t want it all.

[00:44:03] Probably not. Yeah, wonderful, she doesn’t want it all sparkly pink. And when we were looking through the stuff I have I have the sparkly blue which she liked and the silver which she liked, and I was like those are two of the worst colors to try and put on an airplane without anything else in order to be able to see it. So we’ll see what color she ends up going with- and it might not ever actually get done, we’ll see- but we’ll have stuff here for when she feels like it. You’re gonna go.

[00:44:26] Ahead and buy the power kit and all that stuff too for it, or just amazon stuff, I don’t know. I really need to look into what. I guess I’ve never built a plane that small better. Well you, oh, that’s right. You’ve got that other one, though. Right, didn’t you get another willing? Yeah, I’ve never finished.

[00:44:41] Putting it together, gotcha. So I’ve never fully built a plane that small and actually put the electronics in and got it to fly. So I don’t know exactly what size motor that takes and all that stuff. So I just need to do some research. Maybe I’ll buy them off and maybe I’ll get them off amazon, I don’t know, but we’ll okay, see, I know they’re not very expensive, so it’s not. It’s not going to break the bank on anything. Yep. Well, good for her. I’m excited for her to get started. See if we can fly down on a.

[00:45:05] 4S 5000 or something yeah that sounds about right hopefully she doesn’t inherit that same.

[00:45:11] Tendency she probably won’t so with laura with I got ahead of myself with crystal talking about.

[00:45:17] Building. Did laurie ever finish the ARF? She did. She did just in the next well actually. So we got it. We had our new year’s eve get together. She actually finished it that day like new year’s eve. Yeah, she glued with my help. I had to help her because she’d never used rc 56 before and it’s the canopy glue. Yeah, it can be runny and you got to be careful with it. So I helped her, but she did it. Yeah, she actually glued the canopy on and we taped it in place and then we came out here for new year’s eve stuff. Nice. So yeah, that was the last step because the CG and all that was already done.

[00:45:49] And we. She had already installed all the stuff, so it was ready to fly. It was ready to go on new year’s day, but she had to go to her folks for new year’s and she wanted to be present for the maiden. And that canopy glue- rc 56- takes a while to cure- yeah, sometimes more than the weather that we’ve been having, right, right so, but it was 100 ready to fly. I even had it charged in case she changed her mind or whatever and wanted you to do it without her. Yeah, nice, but no, it’s completely ready to fly. And she, I went over it with a fine tooth comb and everything is square, all the hinges are.

[00:46:23] Nice and secure and good all the bolts and stuff are loctited that need to be loctited no she did a.

[00:46:29] Good job good we’ll have to have her on and talk about building it and see what she thought of that.

[00:46:33] Whole process yeah for her first for her first ARF assembly I’d I’d say I’d say it was fairly.

[00:46:40] Typical yeah well good for her she actually finished I’m proud of her yeah that’s awesome.

[00:46:45] Yeah, so now we’ll probably after flying the aero scout. I might be in the market for one of those too, if she decides she wants to learn to fly, because this, the easy sport, is probably not a good first airplane, but yeah, with the way the trainer system works, it probably wouldn’t hurt actually. But true, but the aero scout is just super, super convenient it is. It’s smaller, it goes together, so you don’t have to worry about the starting, yeah, tuning and all that kind of stuff.

[00:47:12] So is she going to possibly fly it with you? Do? I hope so. Yes, I didn’t know if she wanted to be there to actually fly it with you on the maiden or not. Well, she, I don’t think she really has a burning desire. Yeah, either way, okay, okay, she’s not as excited about it, obviously, as I am.

[00:47:31] Right, but she did mention that she would like to see the maiden now. Whether that means she would also like to get on the sticks we’ll see, but I’m ready to do that, like I have a dx8 that we can set up the same way we set years up. So easy, awesome, yeah. But yeah, if she wants to be on the sticks, I’ll be completely ready for that and I hope she does, because I’m excited for her to.

[00:47:53] Well, good, good for her, I mean, and she should try to fly it first flight, I mean. I think that would be a fitting end to the story. Yeah, at least nudge sticks at least. Yeah, right, at least be on the sticks.

[00:48:05] For yeah a little bit yeah that’s not a bad idea yeah I’ll try to talk her into that I will too.

[00:48:10] Next time I see her perfect, which hopefully will be at the field sometime soon. If it comes up, we’ll see crazy weather, weather, weather will tell. So yeah, what’s next? Other thing I did printed the motor mount for the ultrick 600. Remember I told you I had one break on me mid-flight. Yep, got one right here. They look really good actually, well, I gave davis set because well he has.

[00:48:34] One too, so you might need to replace them. Just looking at the original one and the new ones, oh my god, I can’t imagine the difference in size. How’s that going to fit in there? But fits fine.

[00:48:45] I already have one in mine. I thought about switching both of them out and I still plan on doing that, but I it was late last night by the time I got it on because I printed it last night and then I was excited to see if it fit and go through all that stuff, and then it was like: massively bigger than the stock, it is a lot bigger. It’s a lot stouter. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean it’s a lot thicker where it needs to be thicker. So you’re definitely not going to break. I don’t think that one’s ever going to break unless you crash. Yeah, I mean, like I could see it if your motor gets knocked hard on something, right, but just flying through the air like it happened the first time, no way, it’s, it’s a good.

[00:49:18] Upgrade? Yeah, and it’s on thingiverse. Just search ultrix motor mount and you can very easily download it and print it on your own. That’s one of the first things. Difference- yeah, that’s one of the first things I actually printed on that printer. Very easy, yeah, like the. The software and stuff that came with it pretty much sliced it on its own for you. Oh really, and there’s not a lot of setup, you just put the resin in, push play and it does its thing. Took an hour and 10 minutes to print all.

[00:49:50] Six of them, and it doesn’t matter. I could have. I could have done like I could have loaded the build plate and done probably- I don’t know- 20 of them, and it still would have been the same time. Because the lay it doesn’t take any longer print layers no matter how much is on there, like it does with an fdm printer. With an fdm printer it’s got to touch every single, yeah, area that you’re printing, whereas with this one it’s just light that just shines up and solidifies it with uv light. So, yeah, pretty neat little elephant’s foot. I gotta try and figure that out, but it looks smoother too.

[00:50:24] Did you say: no, that’s straight off the printer. Well, it’s, it’s technically, it’s not straight off the printer. So well, you sanded this part. I didn’t sand anything on that one. Really, yeah, this is way smoother than anything that’s come off of your. Oh, yeah, there’s no lines. Yeah, no, and that’s actually not even. It’s it’s finest setting. Wow, so that’s that. It’s 0.05 Millimeter layer height and it will go.

[00:50:47] Down to 0.01 Millimeter. And when you talk about elephant’s foot, you’re talking about this right here, talking about it looks like. It looks like it’s been set on a hot pan and melted. Yes, so that’s.

[00:50:57] Actually the top. Oh, like I it’s. I know it’s. This is bad audio because people can’t see it, but when you print with a, with a resin printer, it prints upside down. Oh, okay, so that what you’re holding up, that looks like it’s the base, would have actually been the top and that’s where it holds on to the, the plate, the plate, I gotcha, and so just looks like a little bit of flash. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

[00:51:21] Not a big deal no on a bigger part it’d be even easier to work with and it depends I mean there’s.

[00:51:26] Ways to fix it. I just I have to do some research, but I would prefer to have prints come off just perfect at the beginning and not have to touch them. But when I pull that off, the next step you have to do is you kind of wash it underwater, because this is a water washable type resin, and then, after it’s washed and dried, you cure it with uv light for about a minute and that’s completely done, ready to go. Really, yeah, it’s awesome, cool, it’ll be very handy, yeah, and that.

[00:51:55] Is way more solid than the stock e-flight mount like I said thingiverse go search for.

[00:52:01] Ultrax motor mount if you need one and you can print your own there you go very nice. Okay, I also updated my chargers, all my spectrum chargers. They came out and said they had updates for you can update the firmware on them. Very easy to do, like I was scared at first because sometimes that can be more difficult, but no, I mean it was, it was really simple. The one that came with piper’s airplane originally didn’t have the software- I’m sorry, the firmware in order to charge the gen 2 batteries. But the new firmware now it will charge gen 2 batteries, so it’s kind of nice.

[00:52:36] Yay, good deal. I mean I don’t like the whole. You said the firm, like it’s all over my head, like the smart charger stuff. I mean it’s, it’s awesome, but it’s all over my head, it’s the software that runs.

[00:52:48] Whatever it is like, firmware is just a piece of software that runs in the background, from how I understand it, and that’s what you work with. Okay, so it just changes how the hardware works with different software. It allows it to do new stuff, new things, more things, different things. Yeah, that’s.

[00:53:04] All I need to know. I probably it makes it mo better, mo better, oh god. I probably ought to look and see if my transmitter is up to date, because I have not done that in a while. Oh, I don’t think.

[00:53:18] They’ve had an update on that for quite a while yeah okay so mine still is I know there’s at least a.

[00:53:23] Couple dx9 updates but I’m mine works just fine I’m not messing with it yeah I can see that but.

[00:53:30] I always like to have the most up-to-date firmware within reason, like if it comes out that day, I’ll wait to see if anybody has problems with it. Yeah, but there’s no reason not to actually keep it up to date. Yeah, there are changes that. It’s just good to have everything fresh, yeah.

[00:53:49] I like it yeah you guys have anything else did you want to talk can I can I talk about this.

[00:53:54] Oh I forgot about that yeah do we got time we have however much time we want well I don’t want.

[00:54:00] To bore all of our listeners and I forgot. There’s something else I want to talk about after this too, so go on, okay, so I’ll, I’ll try to be quick, I don’t know if like. So, on our discord server we have people from all over right and a discussion came up about some of them are being told not to fly by their, by their governing organization, like their version of our ama, which prompted me to do a little research and on the internet. Well, from what I could find, I don’t know, can I say it.

[00:54:35] Say what? Mac talker? Can I talk about mac specifically? Or I don’t know why not? Okay, so it’s, it’s, it’s public knowledge, it’s on the internet. Well, if it’s public but it’s on the internet, you can find it. It’s easily. It’s supposed to be hush, hush, but they’re, they’re not doing a good job. Yeah, I’m not. I don’t want to get anyone in trouble, so I’m not going to like talk about any names specifically. But mac, the governing body for canadian modelers- okay, aero modelers, they have told their members to.

[00:55:02] Not to suspend flying activities outside. So what that equates to is the ama telling all of us: no flying outdoors. Yeah, ground stop, that’s it everything. Yeah, you can fly inside, but I mean but.

[00:55:17] Yeah, all, all to include drones. All outside model flying suspended until further notice. Yeah, so if you’re a member of mac, you are being instructed by mac to not fly your models, and they’re not. They.

[00:55:36] Can’t tell you for how long either. Yeah, that’s three months ish, like I understand. Well, I shouldn’t say I understand, because I don’t understand what the whole point of it is, but like, if there’s a stop, that’s one thing to say, okay, we’re going to resume at such and such a time, yeah. But to have this be an indefinite thing, yeah, that just doesn’t fly with me. Nice, thank you. Thank you, so there’s, there’s.

[00:56:04] Reasons, of course, that they’re asking all of their members to do this, and I’m not going to like get into like super duper detail on it, but apparently it has to do with clubs that were approved to fly in airspace that they’re technically not supposed to be flying in. That was the rumor I heard too. That’s what I heard. Right, that’s what’s kind of floating around on the on the internet. But, regardless of the reason, to ask your entire membership to suffer because of a mistake that they didn’t make,

[00:56:35] To me is wrong for paperwork snafu, right, just yeah, I mean let’s, let’s now. Granted, I’m not canadian, I don’t. I don’t know how the how the canadian government works and how the true, how the community-based organizations like our ama, how they, how they interact, interact with federal organizations. But surely there’s a different, there’s a better approach than making all of your, your, your, your, all of your membership stop flying their models. Which is why they joined your.

[00:57:10] Organization to begin with I guess my point is I don’t understand what good that is going to do.

[00:57:16] According to what I’ve read, it is a. It is a show that the organization, in this case mac m-a-a-c. Can control their membership at will, and to demonstrate that, no, no, that this is, this is now, this is their idea that they can control their membership to the point that, where they can show the federal organizations that, yeah, we, we have complete control of our membership, if you tell us we need to do this here, look how we, how we control them. Then if you tell us we have to do this, we

[00:57:50] We can totally accomplish that and that’s how they, that’s how they interact, it appears, with the. That’s totally that’s so not how it happens here. Boy, do I have a problem with that? Yeah, oh, I do too. I like I so many, so many wrong on so many levels, if you ask me. I mean I’m, I feel bad for our, for our canadian friends right now, because they are being told by the organization that’s supposed to be protecting them that they can’t fly their models anymore. See, I’m curious, like once again outside.

[00:58:19] Not canadian I don’t know the canadian mindset on how all this all this happens but what percentage.

[00:58:26] Of people are actually going to listen. Yeah, I mean there’s again. If you do some internet research there, there are- I’m using air quotes, like you did earlier- consequences to flying in. What was the word they used in defiance of this order from mac? There will be disciplinary again with the air quotes. Disciplinary action for their membership. Yeah, I, you’re kicked out of the cool boys club. Yeah, what they can do, I specifically, I don’t know, we have, we have.

[00:58:58] The faa that governs all of our airspace, right, and they have a outward appearances. They have a pretty good- or I should say the ama has a pretty good relation, working relationship with the faa and they’re working together. Right, they’re not, they’re not forcing that on the membership we have. Our organization has a behind the scenes exactly. Yeah, it doesn’t appear that mac has that, so they’re just making their membership take the brunt of this, which is wrong. I, I, yeah, I guess I never looked at it.

[00:59:29] That way I can see where you’re coming from yeah so it’s a weird it’s a strange well here in.

[00:59:35] America, we’re not really accustomed to being told what to do. Yeah, you tell us what to do. Then we say no, no, no, no, no, hold on. There’s a lot of pushback, yeah, so maybe in the in canada, maybe they don’t have the, the lobby power that, like we do here, like the ama lobbies for us, yeah, which is why I’m so happy to give the ama my membership every year, because I don’t want to do it. Yeah, there’s no way I would. So right, and for the, I mean, I have no reason to believe that the

[01:00:06] Fa or the ama doesn’t have my best interests in mind whenever they go and speak to the federal you.

[01:00:11] Know agencies. So well, yeah, because what I mean with ama stuff, if all rc flight ceases in the united states, then they’re kind of out of business. Well, I mean, really, that’s that’s what they do, that’s their yeah, that’s yeah point of existence. I mean that’s that’s what they do for.

[01:00:28] Us what? What will happen in canada if people decide: okay, well, mac is telling me not to fly my airplanes. Well, I’m just going to cancel my mac membership and just go out and fly my airplanes out on my farm. Anyway, I know I’m in decent airspace. I’m not breaking any airspace restriction laws entering lives. Yeah, well, but that’s so. I don’t know what the. I don’t know what the consequences could potentially be. I don’t know anything about. Is this mac trying to just save themselves, or is this mac really looking out for the interest of their membership? Well, and see that.

[01:01:00] So that’s the problem too. Like I don’t we were talking about this. Like we have any clue. We really don’t know what’s going on up there. No, so preface it by saying that, like I don’t even know, do they have the 400 foot rule where you’re fine underneath, like I don’t know what their airspace is considered there? So, yeah, I mean, what’s what’s the difference here, legally, between me going out in my field and flying a umx airplane? That I’m going to be honest, I probably don’t go more than 200 feet in the air here, if that, yeah, that’s it most. Like I really don’t fly above the treetops with.

[01:01:33] The smaller ones. So what’s the difference between me doing that here and somebody in canada doing that? Yeah, out in the great white north where nobody’s around, for however far it is, and they’re.

[01:01:44] Also wanting to put a gag order on their. Yeah, and that’s the other thing. I didn’t know how much about that I could talk, but well, you found it online. So, yeah, and we’re not in canada. And if you read into it, the mac is also telling their memberships: don’t talk membership to not talk about it, especially in a public or on social media or in a public forum or whatever it’s like. Not only are they telling them, hey, stop flying, but don’t tell anybody that we told you to stop flying. Yeah, it just.

[01:02:11] Seems it’s just. It’s just really. I mean, you would think like you would want to say, hey look, we told everybody to stop flying. We’re not flying. Here we go. What can we do about this? As opposed to: hey, why is? Why is nobody flying anymore? Oh, they all quit. We don’t have to do this anymore, we don’t have to worry about supporting the hobby. Yeah, I don’t know. It’s just. It’s a weird, weird situation. Yeah, and I don’t think we’re going to hear the end of it anytime soon. Yeah, it doesn’t.

[01:02:35] It doesn’t sound like from the stuff that I’ve read, which is not a lot because there’s just not a lot out there- it’s, it’s, apparently it’s. It’s some sort of agreement and fix has to happen between nav canada, which is their version of the faa, and mac, which is their version of the.

[01:02:53] Ama yeah that does it sounds to me like they’re they’re not like they’re butting heads or talking.

[01:02:59] The same language yeah so which is unfortunate I feel bad for all of our canadian listeners and.

[01:03:05] And flyers well not fellow flyers anymore well yeah model builders model builders at this point yeah.

[01:03:12] Because they can’t fly their models which is it’s just weird I’m shaking my head if anybody can see.

[01:03:17] Me in disgust I can see him and just hoping the ama slash afaa doesn’t get this bright idea to.

[01:03:24] Do that to us? Well, yeah, and that’s the other thing. I don’t think. I don’t think nav canada told mac to tell their membership to stop flying. That’s the thing. It doesn’t seem like it. I couldn’t find that anywhere. Yeah, so this is something that looks to me. Mac came up on their own. Exactly two guys are.

[01:03:42] Sitting in the closet going what let’s just stop everything let’s make this let’s make us.

[01:03:46] Look good to nav canada so we can get what we want. Hopefully, in the future let’s see how far we can push people and see what we can get them. That’s just so not how it works here. So thank you, ama, for yeah with us and not putting us in that well, I think there’s a big difference in membership too.

[01:04:01] Yeah, like if I looked it up when this happened, like, if I remember right, there was a little under 10 000 members in canada of this, and I think I want to say 160 000 or so for ama, and I could be.

[01:04:14] Completely. Mac may not be the only modeling organization in canada either, I don’t really know. There might now remember for a long time we had the what was the sport flyers association, so for a while we had two organizations. I didn’t know that. I’ve heard rumors of flight tests doing

[01:04:28] Something now too. Oh, really, well, they’re, they are going to be a cbo. They’re actually, from what I’ve heard, they’re recognized by the faa as a cbo. Oh, cool, the same as the ama. So like what that actually means. I don’t know as much, as they have their own set of rules, that kind of match amas, and that’s kind of what they want people to fly into there. So, as long as you’re flying under a cbo, federally recognized cbo, here, yeah, you’re okay. Yeah, so there’s not going to be a lot of cbo’s by then, right?

[01:05:00] Speaking of cbo’s, did you read the latest ama magazine? There was a nice little at the beginning there. There was a- well, actually there was more than one- a couple of the different editors. They actually touched on the, on the cbo and the free is and all that kind of stuff. So no, I did not catch that. Yeah, so the ama, it appears, is going to apply for free for all the fields, so the fields don’t.

[01:05:25] Have to do it for themselves. I maybe I’m wrong, but I thought the field still had to ask the ama to do that for them. Well, is that automatic? I think it’s automatic if you’re an ama sanctioned club. It.

[01:05:38] From what I read, I mean, it sounds like the ama is going to take that information and create the free for you. Okay, cool, free for you. It sounds like their job anyway, yeah, yeah. But I mean one last thing for the: for the clubs to have to do for themselves. The clubs can continue to focus on doing club stuff, which I think is awesome, and yeah, yeah, and not government regulation. Yeah, having fun with a hobby. That’s the point, right, exactly. So, yeah, thanks for thanks for indulging. I just wanted to put that out there in case anybody had heard anything. If and if and if I’m spreading bad.

[01:06:09] Information please let me know hit me up on Tom at rcplane lab.Com oh I was gonna give it.

[01:06:15] So just in case you didn’t oh I got it so send your complaints too yeah there you go hey I check.

[01:06:22] My zoho email every day so yeah if you send me something I’ll read it in a few days but you’ll.

[01:06:30] Get it right yeah I’ll get it no and that’s yeah I mean we want to know what’s going on and not.

[01:06:36] Spread. Yeah, we, I don’t want to information. Yeah, I don’t want to encourage anybody to share if they’re not comfortable sharing, right, right. But. But if you have clarification, if you need to set me straight on something, then feel free to do that and I will definitely broadcast a retraction.

[01:06:53] If I have to and not just on this topic no absolutely any topic we’ve been wrong before.

[01:06:58] Oh man oh man that’s part of being human it’s part of being the public eye yeah so what like.

[01:07:05] Projects. I just finished a project. Well, I okay. So I wanted to say: oh yeah, you had something you wanted to say. That’s kind of in the same project type area. So if you remember, when Terry Dunn was on, he talked about his labeling system for airplanes, to where he would print a small piece of paper with some information on it and laminate it and like a little badge size, one of those clear lamination things, and then id holder. Yeah, there you go, thank you, and then actually use a rubber band to kind of keep it on his plane. So I started doing that with a couple, because I only

[01:07:39] Had three of the patch things here at home just sitting around, so I started on it. I’ve got one right here -huh, and I think it looks. It looks cool, it does. But I question for me what information I

[01:07:52] Should have on there. Well, so everybody that’s listening, I’ll tell you what Ron has on this one. This one is for the lazy bee, which, if you’ve been following on discord and also our facebook channel, you’ll know that he just recently rehabbed it and finished it, which, by the way, sorry, I hate getting.

[01:08:07] Off topic, but I with the lazy bee- I was so proud of myself, I re I made the battery tray that’s up front now compared I really don’t know where the battery was in it before, because up front to get the weight angled, yeah, it was weird. Like for them to get the CG right, apparently they had literally bolts that were just epoxied in, yeah, so anyway that’s all been cut out with the battery there it’s actually balancing right on the main spar. I don’t know where it’s supposed to be, I’m assuming right on the main spar, but it balances there. Pretty. No counterweight anywhere, nice, not a single half.

[01:08:41] Ounce bar had to be put on front or back. I like that I’m proud of. Yeah, like that was complete luck. Yeah, I like not having to add weight, but that worked out. I had to add weight to lorries anyway.

[01:08:51] So anyway I’m looking at your lazy bee plane id tag you can call it that I wonder if I should number.

[01:08:57] Them no anyway it’s labeled it says lazy bee on it why would it need to be numbered also like form.

[01:09:03] Number one airplane number two and it gone you’re right so the information that you have on this one.

[01:09:10] You have the transmitter which duh I copied a lot of this from terry oh well terry probably has more.

[01:09:15] Than one transmitter. Right, you have the battery and the specifics of the battery, the, the cell count and the capacity, and also that it’s whether it’s a LiPo and lithium ion or what have you. The connector, okay, and you have the CG location, which I think is well. I’ll talk about that in a minute flight time, your expected flight time: eight minutes on this one, and then a little section for notes so you could take like a, a dry erase marker and or a grease pencil or whatever, and make just like terry did. Yes, yeah, exactly. So the question is what information?

[01:09:51] Should be on. Should be on and what information should not. So I’ve thought through a little bit on these before I think the radio can go away. I, because everything is going to be on the x12 right now. I agree, anything right now that’s not a dx8 is going to be transferred over the x12 before I fly.

[01:10:07] It again: battery keep. I think that’s. I think that’s especially for guys like you who have a lot of batteries. I think that’s that should be on there. Connector, maybe even okay connector, and no, I don’t.

[01:10:22] But I have some of the same and maybe that’s on me that I need to change them out. But I have some of the same size batteries on deans and on xt60. Yeah, you need to change that out and just go.

[01:10:34] Go straight okay like all of my batteries are deans and that’s why I just gave you an extra dean thing I.

[01:10:39] Cut off something because I don’t need that and I always travel with an xt60 adapter yeah oh that’s true.

[01:10:45] Yeah, so if you’ve got an adapter, you can borrow your batteries to someone else, if whatever. But I think you need to universalize your connector situation so you can take that off of here, what about?

[01:10:58] When I get into bigger airplanes that need something special that xt60 won’t handle so an xt90 then.

[01:11:04] I use typically two I use the dean’s t-plug and I use xt90s on the bigger stuff yeah so are.

[01:11:11] You going to use the bigger batteries in other airplanes? Do you need to ask? Maybe I’ll find a small airplane. That’s true that I can fit a six cell. Okay, so you make a 60 to 90 adapter for smaller airplanes, done? You don’t need to. I don’t think that the connector needs to be on there. Dave, what do?

[01:11:26] You think ditto okay we’ll see all right that’s one that’s why I might leave on okay I mean it’s.

[01:11:32] Your idea you’re just looking for input and that’s our input that’s fine okay next flight time.

[01:11:38] That’s going to vary so much depending on the battery and how you’re flying. See, your transmitter will have that countdown timer built into. Exactly what I was thinking. I was just

[01:11:46] Getting ready to say that, but would it be good to know, just really quick- oh, I can get eight minutes on that airplane just looking at a tag sitting on it- if there’s room based on your so-called standard battery. Yeah, I’m just trying to, but I already have on there what battery it takes, how big and all.

[01:12:02] That kind of stuff so I know what battery it is I got some I fly on an 1800 milliamp battery and I also.

[01:12:06] Have a 2500 milliamp battery for the same airplane. Yeah, yeah, I don’t do that. I don’t change them out very much. I’m cheap. Well, I get that, but like the, the air tractor is now only going to be flowing on.

[01:12:19] The bigger battery just because I like how it flies time is questionable yeah and I don’t need to.

[01:12:29] Know how long I’m going to fly. I just generally speaking for me anyway, I’m struggling to get to the end of the flight anyway, like either I’m getting bored or I’m getting worried about capacity or whatever. I mean, I know I have a countdown timer and all that, but did I fly this whole flight at full throttle or did I fly most of it half throttle? Can I go a little bit past my

[01:12:49] Timer, what I mean. And see, that’s the other thing that makes me really like the new spectrum stuff that has, yeah, the built-in telemetry. Well, yeah, like the, the 20 channel one that I have actually, will tell you how much since last charge, how many milliamp hours you’ve used out of each battery. Oh okay, so you can just swipe on the screen and say, oh well, I’ve used a thousand milliamp hours out of here, so I’m good. Yeah, that’s what I mean. Yeah, most of mine, five to eight minutes- is.

[01:13:16] About normal I know with the f-15 it’s three minutes 30 seconds that’s it yeah take off and get ready.

[01:13:22] To land so fly time I probably wouldn’t have it on mine okay I would make the notes section bigger.

[01:13:29] And eliminate it. There you go, that’s yeah, notes are very valuable. You really think, well, you have the whole back you can use for now. That’s true. Now does it have like settings for high rates, mid rates, low rates, what I mean? I got some airplanes that I prefer to fly: the elevator on high rates and the aileron on low rates, or whatever. I mean that seems to me okay. So this, this could go down.

[01:13:51] A wormhole too. But for me, if, if I like to have different rates on different channels, like if I fly- let’s take my stick, for example the big stick- I like to fly that at full rates. Unless I’m trying to learn how to do a nice clean four-point roll, I don’t need full rates for a nice clean, smooth four-point roll. I set my flight mode switch up to set my rates. Does that make sense?

[01:14:20] Yeah, and I don’t, and that’s my bad. Okay, I mean a lot of people I know use one switch for all your rates. Yeah, I’ve always flown. Elevator on the left switch, yeah. Aileron on the right switch, rudder on the bottom right, oh, I see. So, yeah, you’re flipping two switches. If you want to have two or three, yeah, so I can, I fly most of my stuff I’ve got set up. So the mid rates is where I fly. I got you low rates I hardly ever use, but maybe if I give it to somebody else to fly for a second, yeah, and

[01:14:51] Then at high rates like the tundra. I don’t like flying it on high rate aileron all the time, but if I want to do a nice flat spin with it, it needs that extra high rate, so I’ll flip it into high.

[01:15:00] Rate mode well why wouldn’t you just add expo to it and then just have it always have the ability to go.

[01:15:06] High rates but you don’t have to some people don’t I don’t like it yeah okay I’m not a huge expo I mean.

[01:15:12] I like a little expo but to dampen something out that much that much I’m not real fan of yeah.

[01:15:18] Well, you can also change the curve. You can on our radio. I don’t know if you could do it on like the dx8 or the nines and all that kind of stuff too. Can you? You can. So, if you, you can change how.

[01:15:28] You actually you also got to realize I’ve been doing it this way for the last 30 years well that’s.

[01:15:32] True, yeah, well, the flight mode switch I just started using, like within the last couple of years. Flight mode switch is my flap switch. Well, you, can you have a dx8 right nine? Yeah, you can assign that switch to whatever I know. But I mean, if you’re used to a certain switch, I get that because I’m a creature, I have it too. But I set my flight mode switch up on the left, the one that’s easiest to get to with my finger on the front, and if I’m like my stick, if I like to fly it at different rates for different types of flying, I like to be able to just hit that one switch and know.

[01:16:04] On the middle section I’m going smooth. On the high section I’m going crazy. In the low section I’m setting up for landing or whatever so once again that’s all kind of a.

[01:16:12] Personal preference. Yeah, so I’m not sure if the rates should be on here. So much as a note. I like to fly this on low rates or whatever. Yeah, and that’s the thing with me. Sometimes I wonder about the airplanes I’m taking off. It’s like, do I like this on mid rates, high rates? I can’t remember right.

[01:16:27] And that’s where I think this would come in very handy. But you have to have the discussion to know what to put on it, and I don’t think you’re actually going to know what to put on until you use it for a little while. Use it a little bit and then whatever notes you put on there when you go back and forth to the field becomes what goes on to a final version and actually what.

[01:16:42] I would do on this instead of having your little square notes section here you got an entire blank.

[01:16:47] Back. Yeah, put notes on the back. Yeah, then I got to print on two sides, though, if I’m well, just right, like my, because that’s where it’s going to be well, but my thought was, like notes once I actually know, because that’s, I mean, those are so cheap to print and redo, like, if I know, speaking of like the switches and stuff- if I know that I want to put that under a note, I’ll print another one after you make that note of the field. Print another one, just make another. Yeah, final version.

[01:17:11] We talked a little bit about switch assignments and things like that. I try to set up all of my airplanes so that the switches do the same thing on all airplanes and the ix12 has made that. Even I could do that to some degree on the dx8, but the ix12 you can assign every switch to anything you can. You have complete customizability, customization, whatever. So I tend to try to set everything up so that this switch does this function on every airplane I have, and that’s why

[01:17:42] Mine is set up. Yeah, for the most part. There’s a couple, the f-15, I gotta. The air brake is on a switch. That’s a little unusual, but all of mine. The switches are all set up across the board exactly the same, so I didn’t even have to think about it. Yeah, I know that bottom right hand switch- I don’t know what it’s called. That’s my air, my rudder. Dual rate switch. Every time, every airplane. Yeah, I can.

[01:18:04] Okay, I can see that because I know like the ultrixes are set up differently for what you go under, the AS3X versus safe, versus all that. So to turn that off is different for each one. But you can program that same with umx a10. But yeah, I guess I never thought about actually reprogramming and reassigning switches on. That’s probably a good idea. There’s the occasional oddball in the system.

[01:18:23] But for the most part they’re all identical and that’s where the pre-flight comes in right.

[01:18:27] Like if, if you have the flaps set up on this switch on this airplane but it adds it’s on this switch on another airplane, you’ll catch that. If I mean you may not need it on a note on the front of the airplane, you’ll catch that on your pre-flight because you do that every time, right, well, you do a pre-flight.

[01:18:42] But you’re not necessarily going to know what if you’re in safe or if you’re not in safe just having.

[01:18:47] It sit there and running through the controls. So I’ve got caught out several times flying ed’s airplane because he always set up his flap switch on what I would use as the ear is the gear switch, and so I was constantly dropping his landing gear, trying to put the flaps down for him, yeah, or raising the gear.

[01:19:04] As the case may be. Yeah, yeah, I mean that’s. I think they’re. You’re right, there’s a lot of good information that can go on those, but a lot needs to be done behind the scenes and programming for each airplane before I get to the yeah information like the final version of what those are going to be.

[01:19:21] Right, yep, and it’s just a another extension and it’ll be yeah, and it’ll be user preference, right, yeah, like, what works for you may not work for me, or what works for me may not work for you, or who knows, maybe we arrive at the. I’m probably not going to use these. To be honest, you don’t have. I mean, that’s fine, I like the idea, I think it’s a great idea, but I don’t have that many airplanes I can pretty

[01:19:41] Much the ones I fly a lot. I remember well and see, the problem is I want to fly more a lot, yeah, so I can’t remember everything about every airplane. I mean, even if there’s only 10 of them, I couldn’t.

[01:19:54] So is he saying us older folks have better memories that’s what I’m saying my memory is terrible.

[01:19:58] I admit it I’m fully throwing that out there I know yeah mine’s so great either the only concession.

[01:20:04] I found making for myself is I will write 4c, 3c, etc. Inside the fuselage so I remember, I remember, I always remember what size battery goes in there. But sometimes I can’t remember the cell count. I never do. It’s like my, my radian. I couldn’t ever remember that stupid thing was three cell or four.

[01:20:20] Cell, so I wrote three cell in it. Yeah, my handy dandy spreadsheet that’s. Yeah, there’s a lot of information I could just put on my spreadsheet. And, and I’ll be honest, I look at my spreadsheet before I get my planes ready for the next flying session. I, I usually do, yeah, like I. So I usually I have notes on almost every airplane. Well, I do, I have notes on every airplane. Now, what’s going to?

[01:20:40] Sound bad. Is I actually use that to decide what I’m going to fly next because I don’t remember. I don’t think that’s bad because I don’t remember everything that I have to choose from and I mean, I’m not saying that, but like you got too many airplanes then no such thing. That was the other thing. That was the other thing after our last conversation where I said I want to be net negative this year. I keep looking through my list. I’m like, well, that one’s not costing me anything.

[01:21:06] Why would I get rid of that? I like this one. If you remember, I wrote it down. Oh, what quote I’m getting. This was from the new year’s episode. I’m getting rid of planes next year with the intent to make the list more refined and then net negative. So I said that without being fully informed on what.

[01:21:28] Was on my list and what’s today’s date yeah how many days has it been since we’re backtracking yep and.

[01:21:33] We’re getting ready to go to brian so I can imagine he’ll be plus one well I hope to be actually.

[01:21:37] Because I want to get the erratics if he has it in stock. That is my plan. That’s the only one I plan on coming home with. If he has it, start the year off. He did a couple weeks ago. Okay, what didn’t? What did you mention before we started this? You said something about you got something new. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t have anything new. What? What was that whole thing then? I don’t know. I told you to wait. We could talk about it on here. You said something about two. Yeah, but our friend.

[01:22:02] My friend, our friend, bob, our friend. Well, he’s been on the show, our friend, my friend, our friend. But I, I do a lot of stuff for bob and I don’t mind, I volunteer. But he always insists I take something for the stuff that I do for him, always like he never just lets me do something for him because I want to right, he’s always he has to. What did you get? That’s fine. Tell your whole story. So no, that was it. Oh, and he’s going. He’s going to gift me another airplane for working.

[01:22:35] On the. If you’ve been, if you’re on discord, you’ll see that I’ve been working on an aerostar and I’m covering it in the card and yak colors and I finished it and I’m going to deliver it to him tomorrow and he’s going to give me a, a seagull booker jungmeister, which is a biplane. You’ll hate it. No, I don’t hate it. I like that one, but I built one of those for him- well, actually for his grandson- years ago, 2018, somewhere around that time frame. It’s really cool looking airplane.

[01:23:06] It’s an intimidating airplane to maiden because seagull had the CG wrong in the in the manual, but once we got that figured out, it was a great flank anyway. So, yes, I’m going to be, as soon as I take delivery of that, I’ll be plus one. But so are you. I don’t remember exactly what I said, that my goal zero, net, zero, I think, net zero, right, yeah, yeah. Well, I’m planning on getting rid of a few, and so you want me to fly something down, one real quick. I think the goal would be maybe to sell it or something.

[01:23:38] Will you fly that, that great plane, spirit, ultimate elite, or whatever that sailplane is? I hate that thing. The what fly that? For me, that great plan. I’m not that bad of a pilot. No, I’m teasing.

[01:23:52] Yeah, the, the non-powered thing that we that, oh, that ruby sport thing, no, no, no, no, no. That’s the hobie hawk. Oh that’s, I’m gonna find a home for that. I think, too, that’s too bad. I like that airplane so much, but it flew like spread, yeah, and it probably set up, but if I spent time- which I don’t have on it, or it would probably be okay. That might be a good one, though. To tow behind the Telemaster, yeah, but it would require a lot of work to fix it, I think, and there’s not a lot of room to.

[01:24:19] Put a toe release in that one either. We found out, by the way. So anyway, yeah, that great plane spirit elite, I think, is what it was. Yeah, that’s not really a glider, that’s like a hot liner kind of thing, isn’t it? I don’t know, it’s a weird. Have you seen that one, dave? I don’t think I have. It’s a great planes spirit elite. It’s non-powered, non-power, that’s what I thought. Yeah, and it’s just. I mean it’s, it’s up and it’s down, it’s flat wing, I mean. So there’s no like no polyhedral or anything like that in it, nothing, no, it’s a ailerons, it has ailerons, they’re very.

[01:24:50] Skinny. The wing is just and it’s not very like a hot liner. Yeah, I would call it a. I’m not a glider guy, but I would call that a hot liner. It’s like a fast type glider. That’s not a lot, it would make it.

[01:25:00] Would be good, I think, on the slopes, like if you were more of a sloper than a thermal. I think so, probably. Yeah, it doesn’t have the nice high aspect ratio. Yeah, it’s a very. Anyway, there’s a difference.

[01:25:10] In sores and gliders yeah you could fly that one for me dave all right bring it out oh that means.

[01:25:15] We have to freaking walk the whole oh yeah line and all that we’ll wait till we have a tow plane.

[01:25:22] Ready to go let’s go behind the truck you could do that’s not a bad idea wait till it hardens.

[01:25:29] Up at the field a little I say: how long runway do we have? Well, that thing’s like 1500 feet, isn’t it? I thought it was longer than that, is it? It might be maybe plenty, yeah, plenty room interesting.

[01:25:41] The center spot that we have is 600 feet oh and there’s another lots and lots on each side.

[01:25:47] Yeah so yeah you and I are going to both be net one for the year so far and that’s and then net two.

[01:25:54] After we build. Oh gosh, that’s right, I know I’ve- I think I’ve- given up on the net zero or net negative. We’re not even through january yet. I know we have some stuff coming up- or if we’re going to be going to toledo- yeah, that’s awesome. Okay, that lasts. Well, crystal’s not here now so I can be honest with like no, I’m kidding, she’s not on the show, so I can say what I really mean. I said it before. I didn’t realize how many more planes I got last year until I had to clean the basement up to put a christmas tree.

[01:26:25] Up and we still had planes stacked in multiple locations down here so even as I look around.

[01:26:33] There’s planes, so which ones everywhere? Well, I don’t know, what did you want? Did, did you hit the thing you hit? Yeah, okay, all right. So what airplanes are you are on the chopping block.

[01:26:44] Any of them. Yeah, but no. Yeah but no. I mean, like there’s a bunch of small electrics that it’s just like. Once again, they’re small, they’re not costing me anything. It’s not like taking up room, it’s not like they’re worth a lot of money. Yeah, so it’s not like I’m going to be getting anything out of them to where it’s worthwhile to get rid of them, but like the small stick, it flies fine. Oh, that thing flies awesome, but it’s I mean. I have other ones that fly awesomer in the same ish area, that’s true, I mean.

[01:27:15] I’ll give you that and there’s a few more in that same type of size thing that just aren’t exciting, exciting airplanes, but they’re still good airplanes. So why get rid of them? What I mean, like it’s just I don’t know. I every time I go through my list, I think about getting rid of a.

[01:27:33] Couple and I’m like, but I don’t know if I want to. Yeah, I, I do the same thing. So I broke out the spreadsheet. I made a few changes for 2023. I don’t have my list, which you’ll. You’ll see that when you log into google docs. You’ll see it, I’m sure. But I added a tab for 2023 and the 2023 tab is linked back to the 2022 tab and it auto tallies and that wrote some formulas. It was

[01:27:56] Pretty cool. Oh, I say I didn’t do that in excel. Good idea, I should have done that because I did a whole new spreadsheet. Oh no, 23 tab. Oh man, yeah, I might have to redo mine, okay, so yeah, I was looking.

[01:28:07] Through my spreadsheet thinking of okay if I’m going to be net zero for the year I’m going to.

[01:28:12] Have to get rid of some, because can you remember that? Okay, just quick question, because I don’t know if this is possible. I already have multiple tabs on mine. Can you have like a tab with tabs in it that make sense? Can I have like a 2022 spreadsheet that has four tabs and then 2023 tab that opens up another four sub tabs? I don’t know, I’ve never tried that. I may be completely wrong, but I think you can do that in excel. Well, I don’t use excel, I use google docs. Oh, that’s the.

[01:28:42] Other thing I don’t know at all right so I’ve never done google docs I don’t know but anyway in.

[01:28:46] Order to maintain a net zero, because, well, now I’m going to be net two and I haven’t even tried yet. So I’m looking down my list as to what can go and, yeah, I have a. I’m fond of all of these. I don’t want to get rid of any of them. I know you should get rid of your double vision and then sell me your motor. Well, I that the double vision is not counting against anything, so it’s fine, right where it’s at. I mean, I’m probably. I mean, if I’m honest, I’m probably gonna get rid of the pits. It’s not as

[01:29:20] It’s not the airplane I was hoping it would be. It’s a great airplane. I’m not saying it’s not, but if I’m gonna fly a big biplane, I’m gonna fly that dave patrick ultimate. And see, I don’t like the looks of that one as much. Oh, I love that. It’s very 70s. Well, you don’t like it because of the color.

[01:29:36] Right well I don’t like the squareness of it or the triangularness of it either I like the pits.

[01:29:40] Rounded type look better. I’m not disagreeing. I mean I like the way the pits looks, but too many the way it flies. It’s okay, it didn’t. I just didn’t fall in love with it like I thought I was going to, because I fell in love with the looks, yeah, right. So there’s one right that I can get rid of. I’ll probably get rid of my, my t34, the yellow one. I don’t need two of them. I’ve got dave’s. What I’m saying and dave’s is, in my opinion, it’s in better shape than mine and it has flaps.

[01:30:12] Only it was my nitro. Oh, that doesn’t bother me, no, it does me, so it’s made a huge difference. Yeah, yeah, and it’s fun to play with them. I just I don’t need two t34 so that there’s two I can. I can probably get rid of. Yeah, I’m not going to get much for my t34, but I can whatever, trade, whatever. And then one of the few good running evolution engine that’s ever, it’s the only, it’s the best running evolution on the planet. And then, yeah, there’s like: and then

[01:30:44] That great plains glider that I’m not a big fan of, that’s it. I mean that’s three, so I have room to buy one more for the year, which might be easy for me because I’ll be gone a good portion of it. We’ll see. We’ll see how it goes. I’m not assuming I don’t crash any. I was gonna say I’m finished committing to anything. I think who knows? All right, what’s that? What’s what’s left on the list? I think that’s all I got. All right, cool, do we want to talk about? Yeah, we can talk about that next episode.

[01:31:15] Covering the project I finished and that’s fine. I was just gonna talk. We’re getting long differences between- yeah, goldberg- and I’m sorry, goldberg, dating myself- ultra code, a monocode and china code and kind of the differences, and we can talk about that next time. Sounds like a plan.

[01:31:29] Yep, cool, anything else? Something to look forward to? Yeah, as long as we remember. Make a note, because I’m not gonna remember. Okay, you have a pen soul, you’re not. That’s not even right. Okay, all right. Well, until next time. Thank you for sticking with us. Thanks, guys, through this, I’ll talk to you later. I’m Ron, I’m Tom and I’m dave. Good night, good night. You enjoyed this episode of.

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