Ep 160: MB-339 Maiden, Sullivan RC Products Announcement, and Other Stuff

[00:00:12] Hello everyone, welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I’m Ron, I’m Tom and I’m dave. Tom he’s back. Hi guys, welcome back, welcome back, thank you. The world is now perfect and complete.

[00:00:24] I don’t know about all that. At least more stable things are back to normal for the next few weeks, and then I leave again for two weeks and then that’s it for the rest of the year. So he says, no, it really is, except for thanksgiving, which we’re going to go to my

[00:00:38] Oh, but that’s that’s not, that’s no. Well, not only that, we can work around four days. Yeah, maybe we can work around the two weeks too and just record something early might be able to. Yeah, we’ll figure that. I’m up with something to talk about. Figure that out in.

[00:00:50] Good time yeah so how have you been dave good except for trying to slice my thumb off last night.

[00:00:58] Don’t show me that I’m I don’t oh Ron just turned white as a sheet.

[00:01:07] So dave has a big gash in his thumb that probably ought to have ditches, at least, at least a couple. All right, have you ever cut a cut? Yeah, it’s ever so much more painful. Yeah, that one right there. It’s been cut multiple times, so

[00:01:22] Well, a fresh car. Over the weekend I had to drop the tank on the mustang because we had fuel pump issues and we’re talking about your vehicle, not a, not a mustang, correct my full size? Well, I mean.

[00:01:33] This is an airplane podcast well an airplane is a vehicle also I suppose well that’s true so an.

[00:01:37] Automobile. Yes, true, somehow or another, I ended up cutting my thumb and it was basically glorified paper cut. In fact, I didn’t even know I did it. Did you get gas in it? Yes, you’ll feel that’s awesome. It stung a little bit, yeah, man up. So, yep, yep, it hurt for a few days. Yes, and I do a lot of paperwork at work and, yeah, that was fun last night making my wife’s dinner. I got a brand new knife set by the way. Oh, we don’t know, and I was slicing a tomato and it decided to slide.

[00:02:12] Oh yeah, and I cut my cut. Cut the cut, yes, but I went like 90 degrees to the original cut. So it was: why is Ron sweating? I don’t do well, there’s a little extra protein in the like I feel. I feel clammy. Yeah, you look clammy.

[00:02:30] Anyway it’s not that bad it’s really not that it’s a plus sign I’m not looking I’m just assuming if.

[00:02:36] He’s 90 degrees no it’s not no exactly so the original cut went this way and then still not.

[00:02:41] Looking it went that way so oh what’s around here I love doing this around yeah I don’t that’s one.

[00:02:49] Thing I don’t enjoy at all. So dave’s been injuring himself. That’s what he’s been up to. How about you? We’ll talk. Oh okay, I wish I had stuff to talk about. All I can say is that Reggie has received his jet and construction is ongoing. Did they ship it in a padded envelope?

[00:03:12] No they did not it was actually very well packaged I would say very all the parts were very well.

[00:03:19] Packaged in the box, taped down where it wouldn’t move. There was no damage. His is the military version, which I still I keep going back and forth. Now that it’s it’s at my house, we’re assembling it at my house. Yeah, seeing it up close, I like it in some regards and then, but then other aspects of it. I still like the orange, white and blue that you have. I’m just curious how’s.

[00:03:45] The covering on that because it’s the vinyl stick on stuff not the so it reminds me do you.

[00:03:52] Remember when our first came out? Yeah, that’s what it reminded me of when I saw it and that’s what it feels like, except it is very. Instead of being brittle, it’s rubbery, like you can iron it down. It’ll conform like where. So it’s not it. Heat won’t destroy it, or no light, no, it you can treat.

[00:04:10] It just like regular covering. So that’s cool. Yeah, I was really worried it’s gonna be like the original arfs, yeah, and it’d be all wrinkly and blistery and you can’t do anything with it. Nope, no, it’s it.

[00:04:18] Definitely seems like something you can work with and it- I don’t know it- has a flat finish right. Which military jet? Okay, that makes sense. But it shows every single smudge, fingerprint, glower, yeah, like. So we put quite a bit of- well, I use- petroleum jelly on the hinges before you glue them in and yeah, there’s like little fingerprints of that stuff I like everywhere we were working with it and then some areas where epoxy we didn’t get it.

[00:04:52] Cleaned up right away it’s yeah it’s just every little thing shows up on that and I think a gloss.

[00:04:59] Finish would hide some of that. Yeah, I noticed that too on the bottom of the wing when you guys were doing the. Yeah, the hinges it. It seems like, well, like with anything else, flat paint is harder to clean, yeah for sure. So it’s going to hold smudges, it’s going to hold the dirt marks and you have to be.

[00:05:19] Stuff you have to be. Because it is a printed covering, you have to be really, really careful about what you clean it with. I’ve discovered, oh, like the 91 percent alcohol that, the isopropyl alcohol that I’m using- if you use enough of it and you rub it enough, you can actually rub the color off of the covering. I mean, I didn’t rub through anywhere on the covering itself, but as a little test I did a little spot like inside the gear well, where I cut the covering and then folded over and

[00:05:50] Ironed it to the inside of the gear, well, or the wheel, well, yeah, if you, if you clean that enough, you can clean the color right off of it, even with just isopropyl alcohol. Almost sounds like it’s a.

[00:06:01] Candidate for a quick over spray and flat clear yeah I mean I don’t think that would be a bad.

[00:06:06] Idea, especially after you’re all done, because I mean I don’t care how careful, I mean you’re gonna have stuff. You’re gonna get, yeah, like there’s uncured epoxy probably on the, on the towel that we were working on and there’s little spots of that, tiny, and you’re not going to see them when you get five feet away. But like that stuff is all over it and I think a coat of flat after it’s all done will kind of hide and you’re bound to drip kerosene or diesel on it or yeah, what’s, yeah, what’s diesel fuel going to do to that? Like I’m assuming it’s okay, it’s going to leave a smudge.

[00:06:38] Whether it well I don’t know I mean I mean it’s designed I mean it’s that’s the oil too that’s in.

[00:06:43] There, that might leave something. I spilled some the other day when I was transferring between two, two containers some diesel mixed with oil. Didn’t think anything ever. I was like, well, wipe it up and then let it evaporate. No, you left this oil slick it does. I forgot all about the fact that I had to put oil in with it. So, right, right, yeah, I’d actually go clean that up with something, yeah, so.

[00:07:10] Anyway, yeah, construction has, or assembly has, commenced and everything’s going together well on this one, a few changes that I see that they’ve corrected or improved, changed or maybe improved from when they did. Yours is the act: the flaps and ailerons are drilled, the holes for the hinges are drilled correctly now, or for the flaps. Anyway, aligned, aligned. Yeah, look like they had changed the gear controller, like maybe cheapened it up a little bit. It looked like to me because

[00:07:40] Yours is aluminum right your gear controller the housing isn’t it aluminum I don’t remember I don’t.

[00:07:46] Remember it being that plastic it mine’s not red well his is red plastic and red does make it look.

[00:07:52] Cheaper and the holes, even if it’s not where the plugs- like for the gear plug-in- they’re not square like they look like they were cut with an X-Acto knife and really, yeah, I noticed that the other night too when I was tidying up, but I didn’t see that. But anyway, yeah, that’s, that’s really all I. I mean, that’s the only thing I’ve done. Rc relate well, except for when we went flying, I guess. Yeah, I did that too, but we’ll talk about that in a minute. What? How far have you guys gotten on? So all the

[00:08:22] Hinging is done, we have the servos installed and the stabs and the fin, and I think Reggie was going to assemble the tank, but we did not have the fuel tubing for the clunk line inside the tank, so that’s where we stopped and it was getting late he had to go, so that reminds me I need to see if I have some I can send home with you. Okay, I mean, he’s got some ordered, but oh, well then, never mind, yeah, he, he ordered it today. So but yeah, we, I feel like we made pretty good progress getting.

[00:08:54] Getting all the hinging done, that’s. That’s like one of the most time-consuming things, because you have to wait for epoxy to cure, yeah. Yeah, it’s a repetitive step that you have to repeat on every surface. But yeah, they all, they all move nice and freely and we set the gaps as small as we could and still get the deflection that we needed. So, but yeah, that’s where it’s at, exciting, I mean, I guess technically you could say the gear has mounted. It’s not in the wing anymore because we took it out to. Yeah, but the gear has been mounted and fitted and ran and yeah.

[00:09:26] Cycled so nice. Yep, yep, cool. Get me excited to get mine. Can’t wait for you one of these days. You’re getting there. Well, okay. So, as many of our listeners probably are already aware, I had car trouble back in november and I’ve been working on the bmw and that has really, really been taking up all of my. What little extra time I have. That’s what’s what I’ve been working on, and I’m really close to being done. Mechanically speaking, the repair is done. I’m just now trying to sort out.

[00:09:56] The little electrical gremlins that showed up after I put it back together nice not nice but that sucks but.

[00:10:02] Yeah at least the hard part well I shouldn’t say well I mean the dirty part is done yeah exactly.

[00:10:07] Now it’s the frustrating part of- and I think I think I have a pretty good handle on what the issue is, so I’m thinking it’ll go pretty quick for you, I think. So the car. Actually, I did drive it for two whole days. Two whole days, well, I mean like with no issues whatsoever: no check engine light, no warnings, nothing. Yeah, it was just like before I took it apart and then, yeah, I got a electrical thing.

[00:10:31] That just kind of showed up out of nowhere so I’ll get it figured out hopefully tomorrow I’m off.

[00:10:36] Tomorrow. So hopefully tomorrow I can get that behind me and then move on this fun stuff. Yeah, maybe start ordering stuff for my jet. Nice, I’m excited for that. I don’t know why, but I am like watching the stuff that’s been happening lately with jets. Yeah, it’s getting me very, very excited about mine. What they sit over here by myself. We need to talk. The only one that doesn’t have

[00:11:02] We need to talk dave into getting one. Yeah, we’ll talk about it later. But yeah, it’s pricey, it is just to fly them. Oh well, you would know. I know it was more so than I expected. Like, really, we use a lot more fuel than I thought. But, like I said, we’ll talk about that when we get to it. Okay, I want to try and keep a some sort of time frame of what has happened since we last recorded. Okay, gotcha, because if not, then I get out of order and I forget what’s going on. Okay, so

[00:11:41] Yes I think the first thing I wanted to say was I saw a an announcement from Sullivan RC Products.

[00:11:48] Did you guys see that? Yeah, you showed that to me. I had not seen that before you sent that to me, or yes, I did. Actually I saw it, just as actually you sent it to me via facebook messenger just as I had gotten done reading it, to which I said at least it wasn’t a public service announcement.

[00:12:05] Saying they weren’t serving the hobby anymore. Yeah, so I’ll read what they said. So I saw this posted, or posted on facebook, and then it’s also on the Sullivan RC Products website. It says a message to our valued modelers, retail lures- maybe would you like to read it- retailers and customers of almost 80 years. Give me one more mistake. I’ll make one more mistake. You’re going to finish it? Okay, our parent company, accutronic, has decided to remove itself from the rc industry to concentrate on growing in the uav industry. Boo, yeah, well, I mean, that’s where it’s. All that’s.

[00:12:40] Where all the money’s going the defense is spending its money however sullivan’s 36 year.

[00:12:46] Employee, fred visna, has acquired sullivan products rc brands and is moving the company to ocala, florida. Due to this relocation, there will be a lag in product availability. There it goes. There was a mistake.

[00:12:59] You’re up here somewhere. Okay, due to the- yeah, here you go. Due to the relocation, there will be a lag in product availability from now until late august, when sullivan’s new home is set up. There will be no orders filled from this site until the relocation is complete. Thank you for your understanding of being our customer all these years and for many more. See, that’s a good sign. Yeah, because they anticipate moving ahead with the company after it’s moved. Yeah, continuing on there.

[00:13:34] You go okay I’m gonna add that together yeah but no so it’s a change but not an end so.

[00:13:39] That’s okay, it’s a, it’s a temporary ripple in the water. Yeah, is Sullivan RC Products. When I first saw the message from sullivan, I was like I know, there goes another. I was thinking the exact same thing. I was like, oh no, here we go, another robart. But no, they’re just moving the company, that’s all.

[00:13:58] Yep that’s good well the company changed its hands and the new owner is just moving it to florida yeah.

[00:14:03] And that’s that’s a good thing yeah absolutely so we will continue to get quality sullivan products.

[00:14:10] Later hopefully in august and at the end of I mean that’s just next month I mean that’s.

[00:14:17] Going to be here before it so yeah and there will be a stock of stuff that you guys might.

[00:14:22] Need at the retailers now, yeah, and they can, yeah, refill later, yep, exactly. So, yeah, that’s not bad news, it’s just news, right, which might be good news because, who knows, maybe that’ll mean he’s less.

[00:14:34] Constrained on what yeah he gets to do that’s true maybe he gets to move forward with products that.

[00:14:41] Maybe he was not able to before. Yeah, yay, we’ll see. So move on. Yes, at all, dave, you want to say anything about that? I’m good with that. Okay, good, dave’s happy, except for his thumb. Let’s just stop. It does hurt, is it throbbing a little bit? Yeah, quit whining. So horizon has a sale going on now and I couldn’t resist the umx air tractor, so it’s on sale for 139.99. Uses the same batteries as my umx.

[00:15:14] Turbo timber evolution. We’ve got to slow down to make sure I get that right, and so it will be delivered tomorrow. Actually, I went ahead and ordered that today because they say I had it. No, I got the shipping. I got the shipping notification from fedex already. Yeah, I ordered it today because I have been hemming and hawing back and forth and I finally just gave up and said:

[00:15:38] What I mean you liked the bigger one I did and sold it yeah I was gonna say didn’t we just get rid of.

[00:15:43] That one flew good, but it was just. It was a pain for me to take the wings off and there are other planes I would like to take with me when I go fly that I would rather fly than that one. Does that make sense? Like if I could have flown that one here without issue? Okay, yeah, I would have kept, but the small one I’m following, yeah, no reason, I can’t- just you can’t- run out backs. Yeah, umx is awesome. Like I can’t believe I’m saying that, but I’ve gotten into the umx thing way too much.

[00:16:22] In my mind I’m going over the umx’s, that I have that and I’ve enjoyed all of them. Yeah, the little umx conchendo is a blast. No right, my ultrax that goes with me every time I fly. That thing is just a. It’s just a tank that’s missing the nose, it is, but it still flies good. Yeah, you’re rough on that thing, it’s. I mean, so far all I’ve had to do is borrow a prop from dave.

[00:16:48] Yeah I mean they take a beating and they make a cool noise when they hit the ground they do.

[00:16:54] Don’t they Ron I wouldn’t know yes I absolutely would know let’s see what else so this really doesn’t apply to the three of us.

[00:17:06] But today horizon also released their ix sr surface radio. Oh, that’s what the announcement was. Okay, yeah, that was there for the last couple weeks, the whole big oh, I figured it was a surface radio because the- yeah, it was definitely surface radio. I was excited at first. I was like, oh, what are they coming out with that I’m gonna have to buy. So what’s the price on it? I didn’t get a look at it way too much. Oh, I knew that well. I mean, maybe not, I don’t know what surface stuff is.

[00:17:36] Did they break a thousand on a car radio no 699.99 And that comes with a receiver.

[00:17:41] So I probably said I come with two or three, but well, but I mean, like, really, I guess, if you look at the things it does, it’s the ix series android based, all that’s not ridiculous.

[00:17:53] Yeah I saw that at startup was less than 60 seconds but it’s the same see you’re looking at.

[00:18:00] It differently. It’s not the same as, just like the old dx radios, that’s on. Oh, I’m done flying off, like as tommy now knows with his ix 14, which is I love, it’s a quick boot up now, yeah, once you turn it on, you turn it on for the day and you leave it on. I remember when you got your ix 12 I thought that was the weirdest thing ever. Yes, like I was just like what do you mean you? You turn it on and

[00:18:23] Then you leave it on all day you put it to sleep but yeah you leave it on yeah I’m still having.

[00:18:28] Trails switching from sony to megahertz. Where you click it on, it is on. Yeah, my dx series comes on fast now it takes like what? Three to five seconds now. So in, I’m sorry, go ahead. No, I don’t know where.

[00:18:41] You’re going in spectrum’s defense it might be the same thing I was going to say so back in the day.

[00:18:45] When I was racing I bought the dx 3r pro with the drop wheel and all that and all the options and I think that radio was 400 bucks and no touch screen, no color screen, typical dx programming. I don’t know, I don’t think, I don’t think. Six, what is it? 699, 699- It’s really for a super high-end radio. Yes, and that’s what that is. That is, that is an ultra, in my opinion, an ultra high-end, and so I

[00:19:12] Haven’t three channel. Is it three? No, it’s at least five. Five because it comes with a five channel receiver. Yeah, it might be more, I don’t know because I didn’t look into it. Yeah, so the

[00:19:21] One I bought years ago was only three yeah for I’m pretty sure it was it might have been over 400.

[00:19:27] Bucks when I got a dx5 I can’t remember what I paid for it but it was under two yeah so but what I was.

[00:19:33] Going to say though, in the defense of the ix series radios, when you turn them on, they are transmitting on the last model that you had them on. Yep, yeah, so you can turn it on before everything’s booted as.

[00:19:45] Soon as that orange light is on it is transmitting yep yeah as long as you’re on the model you were.

[00:19:51] Last yeah or racing or driving still doesn’t have cruise control I don’t know actually I mean.

[00:19:59] Because that was one thing. It has launch mode for drag racing. That has a couple other things for different things that people do on the ground. I don’t know, I’m sorry, I’m not a really a ground guy, but I mean it looks like it has a lot of features. That would be good if you’re into that.

[00:20:15] Yeah, I mean I haven’t looked at it yet, but I’m sure it’s awesome. Yeah, it looks cool for what it is. It’s got led lights on each side that you can change per model. I still like to dig out my dx 3r pro and drive my own associated four-wheel drive truck with it. It’s still a good radio.

[00:20:34] Yeah, but yeah, I’m sure this one’s even better piper is wanting to get into faster rc cars. So, especially since we have the track or in monticello that she wants to drive and race on, so that’s going to get pricey. It starts crashing. I still have all my old tracks and stuff. Yeah, I was gonna say give her a rustler. Those are fast enough. And yeah, I think I still have three or four of

[00:20:57] Those so and parts to make more. Those things were tough. I actually made one for the dogs to chase down. I had a kydex cover over all the stuff. Yeah, tires are a little worse for wear now because I’d.

[00:21:11] Like to grab the tires. But yeah, yeah, we actually, because we used to have a track right here. I know you remember that, tommy. Yeah, it was fun. We actually ran to where we use tires, like I actually wore through tires, which is like unheard of, I think, especially on dirt, but we were just not.

[00:21:29] That unheard of? No, really, it seems to me, it seems like it should be unheard of, like I said. So yeah, like back in my racing days, we go to a big race, and you would, we would go through several sets.

[00:21:40] Of tires really I burned up three hundred dollars worth of tires in memphis in one weekend.

[00:21:44] Oh, on asphalt for sure, but I’m talking like this. Was a dirt track here, like dirt racing, like out at alan’s place or mckay’s, if you go way back, yeah, we would go through like at a big event. We would go through sets of tires. So, yeah, it’s not that unheard of I. I guess I just didn’t realize.

[00:22:03] That like I expected it’s dirt they should blast but they never did dirt’s actually very abrasive.

[00:22:09] Cool maybe especially when it’s prepared watered and tacky and all that kind of good stuff.

[00:22:14] We tried, but most of the time it was just dusty. Yeah, well, that was a lot of track to water. That was fun. God, I miss those days. Yeah, so new car radio or surface radio, excuse me, yep, cool, what else? Well, I think that’s about all. I mean, I’m just excited to talk about what you’re going to talk about. We’re going to get to it. So dave bought another airplane we were talking about before.

[00:22:43] Several. It sounds like several. Yeah, no, just one. I was gonna say: where’d you hear several? Well, but did you talk about? Have you already talked about the, the twist, what the mctwist? Yeah, yeah, that was.

[00:22:55] That’s old news. Oh, is it okay? Yeah, you were gone. Oh okay, yeah, all right. Well, anyway, sorry, we’re putting more lights on mctwist. There we go. Oh, I forgot you ordered more. Yeah, those are. I think I’ve reached the maximum because they’re starting to dim. It’s like daylight when he.

[00:23:12] Flies by it’s just this big orb flying is there such a thing as two there might be such a thing as.

[00:23:18] Like I said I have reached the maximum number of lights okay because and not just for battery draw.

[00:23:23] But for the amount for looking at it, yes, being able to see it, yeah, yeah, it’s like a neon glow now. Yeah, and dave’s has. He has weird like I don’t even know what those lights are called, but the, the leds that he has on front, they are so bright like if you’re within five feet you cannot look at it, because it just blinds you, like when he’s flying 30, 40, 50 feet away. That atmosphere dims them enough to where it’s not like blinding, but right, yeah, I call them headlights, but yeah, they are dimmer now.

[00:23:55] Though that I’ve got all these other lights, you’re pulling too many amps and stuff through the battery. Yeah, it’s pretty cool, though I like it. So what’s this new one? So I ran across a special deal at one o’clock in the morning. Oh geez, kind of an impulse. Buy you don’t drunk. Order stuff on amazon. Readymade rc was having a flat spin sale which I’ve never heard of before. A flat spin say that’s been sale, a flat spin sale. I figured I should say it too. You should. What that is:

[00:24:29] They take one percent off every five minutes. They only have one of an item and when it’s gone it’s gone. Well, I don’t know, I think it was on our discord that I saw that they had the flat rates or flat spin sale and I was kind of curious what it was and what they had on there. So I got poking at it and it was late because I was up working on the cub and it’s like one o’clock in the morning. I’m lying there and dad getting ready to go to sleep and I see that they had this strix goblin on there.

[00:25:00] The goblin yeah I got it for under 65 bucks.

[00:25:07] Well, let me ask you this: in the morning I was gonna say at one o’clock in the morning, who else do you think would have? Possibly I probably could have let it go till six in the morning. I was.

[00:25:16] Gonna say: maybe you don’t want to take that chance to save four bucks. I want to be able to sleep. Yeah, yeah, I don’t think, yeah, so what are they? Normally, the version I got is 95 dollars, oh.

[00:25:28] That’s not a good savings yeah I would have not actually no it’s 99 yeah close enough yeah I.

[00:25:33] Would have jumped on that too. So anyway, I own this. It showed up in the mail today it the fuselage looks like a giant football because it wasn’t much to the assembly there’s. There’s four pieces in.

[00:25:46] The box oh I was gonna say he just got it today and then he came out here oh come on have time.

[00:25:50] There’s a there’s a fuselage telling me he didn’t open that box as soon as he got it.

[00:25:54] No, I didn’t actually. Oh okay, but yeah it. There’s five pieces. There’s main fuselage, a left, the right wing and a spar. So you think you’ll fly that before Reggie flies his jet? Yes, and the electronics package is backward. So, and I’m still gonna be Reggie, but poor Reggie, he’s waiting on.

[00:26:21] Servos so it’s kind of out of his hands really whether he has it ready for the jet meet or not.

[00:26:28] No because you can get everything else done other than those four servos absolutely.

[00:26:35] Let’s not stop on the turbine installation. No, or all that. No, no, no, we can definitely move forward with that, but eventually we’ll get to a point where we need those servos. Yeah, yeah, did you. By? By the way, did you send him the link to those multi-connectors? I did, okay, good, all right, yeah.

[00:26:56] So and how like so dave showed. Getting back to what dave just bought, sorry, he showed me the ad for it and the very first bullet. I’ll let you talk about it, dave. So the very first bullet in the.

[00:27:08] Features department says please do not exceed 200 mile an hour in a dive without reinforcing the.

[00:27:15] Hinges. Sweet, I can’t wait. So dave will be ready for jets. Yeah, he’ll be 200 mile an hour. He’ll be set. It reminds me of a large version of me 163, but yeah, not quite as. Yeah, exactly, except the wing is.

[00:27:32] Kind of at the back it’s at the back and it’s ford swept a little bit yeah it’s kind of neat.

[00:27:38] Looking, it reminds me of the- what’s that one from flex they do something. Oh, that flying piranha thing, rana, yeah, kind of reminds me of that, but backwards, yeah, yeah, okay, I was trying to see where you’re going with that when you, yeah, like a, like a- yeah, I could have reversed like 180 degree piranha kind of. I can see that, yeah, with a blimp fuselage, with a blimp football fuselage.

[00:28:03] So it’d be interesting as a just how do you launch it like a football? In fact, it says: throw it hard like a football. Oh well, okay, so it’s got grip tape on it and everything else. So I guess we’re gonna find out for an impulse buy. We’ll see how this works. Yeah, and I’m into weird, so that you are you gonna paint it silver. I could. I was actually thinking about it’s blue molded orange fuselage, though, and I don’t know if I can paint that we can get it to stick. So we’re stuck with orange. Oh, that’s.

[00:28:32] A shame by the way orange is my favorite color yeah because everybody knows I know I was thinking just.

[00:28:38] Turning into another. Give me 163, but that, that orange is killing me. Yeah, but also at those speeds you want it to be? Yeah, I want to be able to see it. Be able to see it, yeah, so why? It’s more fun when.

[00:28:53] You can’t. Well, it’s more fun for everybody else. Yeah, can you imagine it hitting the ground at 200 mile an hour? Confetti, this is no reason to go pick it up. No, leave, just leave it like I shouldn’t.

[00:29:05] Admit to this and I just remembered when you said that. But so one of the things, when I went to eli, I was by myself, it was just me and crystal and piper and I was flying slow, ultra stick, and I was being lazy and not going out to the runway. So how, there’s space between the pavilion thing that you can, yes, and you’re on my table. So I did that- somebody else too, by the way, but anyway. So I was just taking off in front of that and not thinking, and I kind of went.

[00:29:39] Back because the way that is set up- this is safe, by the way, the way that is set up you can kind of fly a little bit behind you because it’s open field off to the right. So I did that with slow ultra stick and all of a sudden it just disappeared. I was like oh, oh, like I didn’t know which way it was like headed or what, and luckily I just like pulled up on the stick and ran for like I actually ran- I don’t run, but I ran forward- and then all of a sudden it was actually coming back towards me, but going up. So I, the pucker factor, went away after I saw it. Yeah, but yes, it was.

[00:30:17] Going away from me behind disappeared and the lesson that you learned don’t do that again don’t.

[00:30:24] Do that don’t fly behind you yeah ever yeah my bad even if you have room and I was I was thinking.

[00:30:31] Like, the weirdest thing is, as soon as it disappeared, the first thing in my mind: well, this is going to be an embarrassing story when I crash it. Well, still kind of embarrassing. It survived the ring of fire and I lose it because I do something stupid. But no, it worked out okay, like it’s still in one piece. I flew it after, but yeah, don’t do that. Everybody that was dumb. Yeah, don’t, don’t fly it behind you. Yeah, so what? Did it disappear behind the shelter? Yeah, okay, like where I was standing, I was, I was almost.

[00:31:03] Under the shelter. Was it dusk also? No, oh, it was still. I mean, because we know somebody that likes to fly in those types of conditions. Yeah, are you gonna name names? No, oh, so he just has.

[00:31:16] To know who he is. Well, he knows who he is. Oh, we talk about him all the time, Reggie- yeah, oh, it rhymes with edgy. He likes to fly when, the when the visibility is not optimal. I’ll just look at that, but anyway it worked out for you it did. Oops, is it bad that a little part of me wishes that had gone a different way and you would have an embarrassing story to tell. That is terrible.

[00:31:42] It is bad, but I will say, if it happened to somebody else I would wish the same thing. Oh, we’re bad people, at least if they’re a witness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually I probably wouldn’t have had to say anything if I actually crashed it and just got a new one. I figured it out, didn’t have a smudge.

[00:32:02] On what happened oh well that wing was kind of worn out I just wanted to replace it make it look nice.

[00:32:06] Yeah, there’s an excuse and a reason you can make up for all of it. I need to buy one of those eventually. You really do like I’m not joking. That is a great, no great- flying to convince me. I know they.

[00:32:16] Are you let me flyers a lot make you a package deal on a night radian and a slow stick oh you have one.

[00:32:21] Yeah oh I didn’t know you had one I bought it at toledo oh that’s right I didn’t go to toledo.

[00:32:29] I wasn’t gonna rub that in your face again. But thanks, dave, yeah -huh, way to go. You don’t like? Yeah, that’s what. Is it too boring for you? It’s not weird enough for him and it’s not weird enough.

[00:32:41] And I’m trying to bulge myself of horizon products ah that makes sense well that’s a win-win for us.

[00:32:48] Yes exactly so there you go make yourself I gotta come up with something that dave wants.

[00:32:57] I sold a lot of that stuff though at dayton, remember, I know you sold everything, but I didn’t sell everything. You didn’t, you didn’t. So I saved some stuff, some good stuff I’ll come up with

[00:33:07] Something. Okay, maybe next time we can talk about whatever deal you guys make so you can get a slow ultra stick and a night radian, okay? Speaking of night radian, yes, we went out. You had an issue with yours when we went out. Well, I’m going in order and this is still why you were gone. So shush your mouth and listen. Oh, it was okay. No, I’m glad I’m clear over here. No, so I went out night flying with dave and daniel. Do you remember that from so long ago like it feels like it was forever ago, two weeks ago, but we have not recorded since then. That was last for the we required on thursday.

[00:33:40] And went. Yeah, and like I said, I was still gone. So that was more than two weeks ago. No, two weeks ago you were still gone. You came home that saturday. I think I’m so lost or maybe you came home that I don’t remember slipping away. I know, right, anyway, go ahead. So we went out, we flew. I flew the habu ss quite a bit, actually not quite a bit. I think I got four flights in on that. One flew the slow ultra stick and the night radian. One thing I did find that I didn’t realize: my truck has a 110 volt outlet in it. Nice, my expedition. But here’s my problem. Oh what? Nothing.

[00:34:18] Go ahead oh I didn’t know what you’re gonna say I was I’m curious what the capacity of that is thank.

[00:34:26] You. So that’s my problem. Okay, it is 150 watts. 110 Volts, I mean that’s not like small, but I don’t know what that actually equates to when it comes to charging. Yeah, a 3s 2200 battery, isn’t it? Watts times volts as amps, isn’t that the? The amps equals watts? Yes, but what’s the conversion of like 110 volt to? Because I mean I’m pulling more than 150 watts from 12 volts? Yeah, I don’t know. So that’s, that’s what I.

[00:35:01] Don’t understand, like how much can I put in amp wise at a 3s battery? So I was: I charge one, because it’s two part charge or two port charger. Right, I charged one at eight amps and it was fine, which that’s, I think, pretty good off of off of something like that. Until now we’ve been used to charging at two amps, yeah, depending on what it is. One c, yeah. So I mean that was nice that I was able to keep up as I was flying, still like that. But the truck has to be running, which that’s cool, whatever. But I don’t know what I can push that to without blowing a fuse. So if anybody is smart,

[00:35:38] Enough to know what I can charge at. Drop me an email because I’m curious how I should be able to push that 150 watts, yeah, at 120 volts to how many watts, because I know it’s a 400 watt charger, but is I mean, is that 400 watts at 12 volts or whatever, or is that it draws right, or is?

[00:36:03] That pulling 400 watts at 110 volts? I would assume. I don’t know. I would assume- and I’m, like I said, assuming- if you advertise it as a 400 watt charger, that is the output 400 divided by two, right? Yeah, well, yes, so what that equates to what it’s pulling. I mean it’s got to be that much or maybe a little more. We’ll just put an amp meter on and find out. Yeah,

[00:36:29] Stick an amp clamp on the leads and probably figure it out right after one of our watt meters.

[00:36:34] Or that, yeah, oh, but that doesn’t tell me what it’s pulling 110. That’s what I need to know. That’s what you need. The amp clamp, yeah, yeah, I don’t have one, otherwise I’d I actually think I do, I’m sure. Yeah, I think it’s actually hanging out one of those fluke. Yeah, yeah, yep, it’s just a.

[00:36:50] Yep okay I’ve got one so we can there you go figure that out but anyway if anybody has an easy.

[00:36:55] Answer so I don’t have to do all that because I’m probably not going to do that anytime soon.

[00:36:58] Yeah let me know well and plus you’d have to go outside to do that what is that supposed to mean.

[00:37:04] It’s hot out there you don’t like to be outside I was outside earlier and then thinking about.

[00:37:09] How hot it was. It was hot today, wasn’t that hot? Would it get up to 88 today? Yeah, it’s beautiful, that’s freaking hot- 82. When I got off I didn’t even like run the air conditioning in my traverse on the way home today. You’re a weirdo. It was nice. What are you talking about? I can’t turn mine off.

[00:37:26] Yeah, same with me, like it’s always on. Well, yes, in the house it’s, it’s not in the car. In the car it’s literally stuck on, because I’ve got that recall going. I can’t turn it off. Can’t turn it off. Okay, well, I can, but I won’t. Yeah, as tommy sits down here with a blanket covering his.

[00:37:42] Always fragile old legs well they are old but they’re not fragile they could kick your butt.

[00:37:48] Oh absolutely that’s not a that’s not a high bar just saying.

[00:37:53] But anyway, so got to fly with those new lights that I put on the front looks great, works great. The front ones really helped. Yeah, I like how those look. I was having trouble with the taillights. You have to be at the right angle to see the taillights, which is okay. Yeah, because not seeing the white lights still tells me that I’m going away. Yeah, plus the red and green on the tips, it helps a lot. Yeah, so that was that night what- I don’t remember what. All you flew because you well, mctwist I had. Oh wait, I remember. I remember a story too.

[00:38:25] Keep going, though, mctwist, and not my wing. Yes, that’s the story. So dan or dave flew his wing, he was having fun with it, whatever, and then he went to fly it again, and I mean he, he was.

[00:38:42] Upset. Do you want to tell the story? You want me to tell? A lot of problem that week with my spectrum equipment unbinding itself. So yeah, why do they do this? It’s driving me freaking crazy. So you can hear.

[00:38:54] The reserved- I don’t want to say attitude, but the reserved speech. Emotion, emotion, thank you, that he has right now. So imagine, at the field, with nobody else around, when he goes to fly his airplane again and it won’t, oh, I can- I’ve heard that I’ve already had one not bind my big twist right bound, so he rebound it, and then the ailerons were, or the elevons were, backwards, so he was. This is just stupid, blah, blah, blah. It was so funny, like it wasn’t funny at the time, but looking back at it,

[00:39:27] No, I’m, I’m familiar with- and this is in the dark, by the way, yes, because it’s night- flying right, and so he gets all that set up. Make sure everything is fine. Flies- it flies, great. Yeah, has a good flight. No trim changes, just reverse, avalanche, the twist, or the other one, the other one, the wing, the shadow seeker, oh, yes, the shadow seeker. So anyway. So he lands and picks it up, takes the battery out and goes to put in his truck, and then he realizes that, oh, mine’s already in the truck, so apparently,

[00:39:58] Somebody grabbed daniel’s oh no so no wonder it wouldn’t bind no wonder he had to reset the radio.

[00:40:06] But the trims were perfect. I didn’t think it was rolling a little slower than normal. I have mine set at 150 rate and all the way down on the horn where he doesn’t right, yeah, so I thought.

[00:40:16] Okay it’s rolling a little slower but oh dave was daniel there too yeah so did you guys both have.

[00:40:23] Viewers there. Yeah, we both had our shadow seekers, right, yeah, and they both flown them, so I grabbed his shadow seeker instead of mine, because it’s dark and they’re identical. Yeah, oh, it was, but for some reason, though, the evalon a and b is mixed between my dx9 and his dx8, which didn’t. Yeah, it’s backwards, weird, but that’s why you do a pre-flight, though: make sure everything moves the right direction.

[00:40:47] Exactly, that is true. He caught it before. Yeah, well, I still flew the wrong airplane. Oh, I that just like. As soon as you- oh my gosh- went to put that in the back of your truck and you saw the other one, daniel and I looked at each other and we just started laughing like, oh, that’s the problem. It’s not a trim change. I’m impressed, that’s impressive. Yeah, that means you.

[00:41:11] Guys had it set up. A lot of like that, yeah, funny. So there you go. If you have a, I can make sure it’s yours, like before you. Before you, yeah, get mad at horizon or a spectrum, just make sure it’s your airplane. Why is this not binding? Although I’ve had that issue before of an airplane becoming an?

[00:41:29] Unbound for no apparent reason my mctwist unbound itself at the field that night so I’m I’m living at.

[00:41:36] This point yeah I don’t know what causes that’s but yeah I’m sure at that point you were ready.

[00:41:41] To be done with horizon forever I’m gonna throw this dx9 in the ditch and run over it seriously.

[00:41:47] Looking at radio master okay we’ll do it try it that way somebody around us has something that.

[00:41:52] They can talk about good things about the fr sky or fry sky or the only free sky back is the 75.

[00:41:58] Receivers I own that are spectrum well I think well I don’t know but I think there’s a way yeah.

[00:42:05] There’s a module or something that you can still use them make those work so but I don’t know I don’t.

[00:42:09] Yeah I’m not ready to switch radio at this point but I’m getting closer it’s getting closer.

[00:42:14] Every day by god if it can’t fly someone else’s plane I know right what’s wrong with this thing.

[00:42:22] This is so messed up and I really want to pay attention to it. Except for having to switch avalons, that was the worst part. It’s like what? Yeah, not only did it unbind, it switched directions.

[00:42:33] Switch directions. Oh, and we heard about it. Oh, yeah, it was a great time. Oh, sorry, I missed that. I am too we. Well, it’s it was. Yeah, it’s probably better that there wasn’t somebody there. That would play off me very much. I’m really glad piper wasn’t around. Yeah, we would have gotten in trouble. Yeah, probably, oh man, so that was our trip.

[00:42:56] To the field that night. Still, it sounds like you guys had fun. It was a good night. Yeah, that is a lot of fun. We need to do it again. What I really like about night flying- it’s usually not.

[00:43:06] Windy and, well, it was getting a little breezy. Yeah, it wasn’t. That was unfortunate. Yeah, it was. It was about I don’t want to say the limit, but it was to the point where it wasn’t as fun as it could have been. Oh well, that’s especially with a night radian that doesn’t have ailerons. Yeah, you were getting tossed pretty good. Yeah, yeah, but it was still. I mean, it was still I mean you were still flying flight. So, yeah, I wasn’t. So there you go. True, speaking of flying, though, you did go do some flying with me. I did four trips out of my six days off to the field. Yeah, like.

[00:43:43] Honestly, this fourth of july weekend was probably the best one, at least in recent history, if not that I’ve ever had. Oh, yeah, like it was. It was awesome, so awesome like it was. It was nice because we celebrated the fourth right. We actually went out on daniel’s boat- which piper had a blast with that, yeah, flew a lot, and that I mean let’s just say that was like the perfect time away from work. I enjoyed it as it should be. Yeah, right, right, yeah, but you and I went over. Let’s see that was.

[00:44:16] Tuesday night- yeah, only reason I remember that is because that’s when our meetings are. You went for the meeting, yeah, we went for the meeting, and we took airplanes to fly, of course. And since you were off wednesday and I was off wednesday, I asked: are you in a hurry to get home? And you said no. So we took night airplanes to fly, did, and I had a little problem with my night radian. One of the wing panels would not work at all. You were having issues with that, was it? Well, so I went. I forgot when I went out with you I was having problems with the fuselage, not the, not the wings.

[00:44:51] Not the rear stab lights, but just the fuselage lights, like we’re not reacting to the different colors, like they. Yeah, they were kind of flashing weirdly but not in tune with what they should be to the rest of the time. Yeah, it was weird. So when I was at the field there I was unplugging- unplugging them back in see if I could get anything to do it. We thought maybe that the leds I put on are pulling a little bit more amperage and that was causing something. But I don’t think that had.

[00:45:19] Anything to do with it honestly well no I wouldn’t think so because when the night we flew they were.

[00:45:24] Fine, except for that one wing panel, right. So I had an issue with the wing panel to where the led that I put on the front was working. Fine, none of the other leds would light. Yeah, and that like panel. There was one led like at the very inside that was just kind of flickering barely. You could see a little bit of light through it, but it wasn’t responding how it’s supposed to. So I figured the lights went bad. I figured something, yeah happened, we flew it. Anyway, you flew it. Oh, I guess I did a little bit, but I think I was more upset with it than anything because it wasn’t working right.

[00:45:56] Yeah, so, like I said, this is the important part- the led that I put on was working, so the one that I wired to the positive and minus was working okay. So when I got home- actually it was the next day- I brought it inside and was going to try and figure out what was wrong while I plugged it in, everything worked. So I was like what, what is going on? Then I realized that night I plugged the servo.

[00:46:26] Connector, because that’s how they’re powered- as a servo connector in backwards. So when I plugged that in backwards here, did the exact same thing, I got the led that I installed to work and nothing else would work. So apparently the signal wire for those color changing leds- the addressable ones- has enough power in it to at least run that led that I had one led, yeah. So now I know if that actors or you

[00:46:53] Just put a mark on them so which way they need to go no I didn’t change anything okay I just.

[00:47:00] Know that if that happens again it’s upside down flip it over yeah I mean fuse behave itself because.

[00:47:05] You don’t you don’t unplug that fuse there’s no reason for that one to get flipped and it worked just.

[00:47:09] Fine, and even when I plugged everything back in and I flew it again, it worked just fine. It was weird because I took it to the field the next day. Well, yeah, you sent me a picture later that.

[00:47:21] Night after we got home. Yeah, of it, completely lit. Yeah, that’s like, are you kidding me? You may have called yourself some names which you agree with, so that’s I did not. Weird, yeah, but I’m glad it was a.

[00:47:35] Simple fix yeah me too but when we were there you got to fly one of your new airplanes yeah well I mean.

[00:47:41] I took the ultrax because it I take it everywhere, because it’s so small and easy to transport, and I flew the replacement turbo timber evolution. It flies okay. I mean it’s a temper, the gear. I mean, if you’re flying off of grass it’s probably fine. I forgot your landings were bouncy. They were terrible. Okay, I wasn’t gonna say it, but I well, no, you can say it. They were terrible, they were pretty bad and I’m usually pretty decent at smooth landings, normally, normally. But this thing just bounces.

[00:48:16] Of course. Now it’s asphalt runway and the gear is probably designed to be well. I mean, it does have the stiff springs and stuff on it, so it’s probably very stiff springs and that’s too stiff and the wheels don’t give none like not at all. It’s a very hard foam rubber. Continue to talk. I forgot about something. Yeah, so the airplane flies okay. I moved the to try to get maximum, throw 150 in the radio, inside hole on the arms and outside hole in the surface, trying to get the.

[00:48:48] Most deflection I could because that’s some of the reviews they recommended that run the battery.

[00:48:53] As far back as I can get CG back get it’s just not I hear they’re horribly nose heavy in.

[00:48:59] From the, from the, with the factory settings. That may be, and I’m using a lightweight battery to try to minimize that. I’m only running mine with the 2200 and you can run up to what a 3300 in these things, four cell yeah, but yeah, I mean it’s, it flies good, I mean it’s a very stable and it’s hard to well, I’m not gonna say hard to get in trouble with it. I mean it has. It has its limits, but I don’t know. I don’t know if it was because I had higher, higher expectations because of the reviews I watched and how awesome the first one I had flew.

[00:49:33] On floats. I mean I never flew it off the gear right that was brand new, and I flew it off the floats, brand new, twice. So I don’t know what I like, why. I just feel disappointed in it, like well.

[00:49:45] I think you need to make it a little bit more tail heavy and see how it goes. Yeah, I think you’re right, but I’m saddened to hear that you’re not happy with it, because I did. Horizon has sales going on this week and I did buy you something. You did. What is this? The wheels? No, I didn’t spend that much.

[00:50:02] Oh, it’s the little model, it’s the christmas ornament, awesome. Well, I can’t get rid of it now, I know, sorry, that’s okay. I think what I’m going to do, besides trying to modify the battery tray so I can get the battery farther back, I’m going to put the super timber wheels on it. Yeah, and I think some of the stuff I’ve read online that helps immensely. So, yeah, especially if you’re flying off of asphalt, which you will be, I will be, yeah, so I think that’ll help a lot. But yeah, if you have to add a little.

[00:50:30] Of the tail weight I might we’ll see just see what it does I mean it’s not it doesn’t fly bad.

[00:50:36] It’s just not as exciting as you want. Yeah, it’s not, as, yeah, exactly what you said. It’s not as exciting, I think, as I had built my expectations. Yeah, because on the floats- maybe because of the cgs farther back- a little more weight, yeah, a little higher wing loading- yeah, a little more lively, less floaty- yeah, even though it’s floats- right, but I know what you meant. So, yeah, I’ll tinker with it. I mean, I’m not going to give up on it, so at least not right away. Well, you can’t now, because I got the matching christmas.

[00:51:06] Thank you wrong which is like a 75 scale umx yeah I haven’t opened that up because.

[00:51:14] I haven’t actually seen. Well, don’t? It’s yours? Do whatever you want with it, you don’t have to open it. But I would be curious to see, because I’ve not seen that before. There you go, I got my

[00:51:23] Crutch bag with my knife your kenefe got it.

[00:51:30] So anyway I flew that and the did I take no that was it was just those two of the.

[00:51:36] Well no did you wow this is bad of me did you take your decathlon or not oh no that was.

[00:51:43] Oh, that’s cute. This is a die cast. This is heavy. I thought it would be just a little foam thing, but it is an exact- yeah, it’s an exact replica of mine. Look at that.

[00:51:58] That’s cool I like very cool they had them on sale for five bucks so well thank you’re.

[00:52:02] Very much. I love it. It will go on the christmas tree right next to the Ron and crystal. Hey, we got married ornament that we put up every year and then send you a picture of.

[00:52:13] And then take it right down after that no we leave it on.

[00:52:17] No cool yeah that yeah well I don’t know what I did maybe this will sit next to my cookie trophy.

[00:52:24] That you didn’t get and you didn’t get, but I got. I know we’ll win it back next year, but anyway, probably so. That was cheat. That was our, our meeting night. Yeah, good times. And then you left me.

[00:52:38] And what? What are you talking about? Well, you didn’t come back the rest of the, the trips I made. Well, well, yeah, because we went to ohio to visit. Well, I understand, but still you left me. Well, okay, that’s all I’m saying. I guess technically, you could say that: yeah, so the next day was okay.

[00:52:53] So every year the club puts on an open house on july 3rd. July 3rd is when monticello does their fireworks, so everybody- the public- comes out, watches fireworks from there, which is getting harder to do as the trees grow, you don’t see as much, but yeah, they’re taller. I’m not there for the fireworks, that’s okay. And then we have open flying, and I mean, like it’s an open house, so you don’t have to be a member, you just have to be an ama member in order to fly there and stuff. No fees or anything, it’s just fly what you brought. We sell food, we do all that kind of stuff. So this year

[00:53:26] I manned the grill along with a couple other people and good for you, thank you. That was stressful, like I could not work in a kitchen, like really, oh yeah, I mean I’m yeah, that just wasn’t my thing. Like I was happy to help out and stuff, and I’ll do it again next year if we need to. That’s fine. But man, it’s stressful when people are like watching you because they’re waiting for their food and you’re like it ain’t done yet. You gotta wait. I know it’s like there’s nothing you can do about that, I know, but I just, yeah, cook faster, right, I’ll just turn up the heat and burn it, no, but anyway.

[00:54:01] So we had a really good turnout for that. Did a lot of people show up and fly? Yeah, actually there was good deal. I couldn’t tell you how many because I mean the tables were pretty full. There wasn’t flying constantly because I mean everything was going on. There were people on the rc tracks like said we were cooking. There’s a lot of people helping serve and all that stuff. Piper did such a good job. She was back there with us too, helping with getting all the buns out and making sure everything was organized the way it’s supposed to. And then crystal ended up coming over later and

[00:54:34] Then that’s when piper quit and just went and hung out with her but that’s okay.

[00:54:40] Well yeah dad’s making me work mom’s gonna show up and I don’t have to work I know right.

[00:54:45] But the. I’m gonna be honest, the. The what’s what I’m looking for? The. The highlight of the night was there was somebody that pulled in with a cyber truck. Really that was the closest I have ever got to be to one, to actually see it touch it, feel it drool on it. I mean, I tell you what I think: crystal wants one more than I do, really. Yeah, she was very impressed and the guy was super nice. Like I walked up and I was like I’m sorry, I don’t want to be that guy. I said, but I like your car and so I mean

[00:55:21] That was enough to where he’s like, oh no, we can talk and all that kind of stuff, because I guess he gets it a lot, I’m sure. I mean he opened everything up for us to see. He showed us the suspension, how it moves up and down quickly. I mean I don’t want to get into it too much because this is not what this podcast is about, but I even told the guys at the field. I was like, well, this makes my night like I don’t care what else happens. This is the highlight. You cannot top this. But yeah, it was. It was pretty cool. Was it a completely stock one? Yeah, yeah, there was no wrapped in flat black.

[00:55:54] Mm-hmm or red or chrome or white or whatever yeah there was one I saw here in springfield that.

[00:56:01] Was wrapped, looked like a halo something or another- like I don’t play games, but it had that little. It kind of looked neat. But anyway, yeah, so closest I ever got to one of those and I was quite impressed. Yeah, it’s honestly smaller than I was hoping. Really it’s not small, but I would have like something a little bit bigger. Well, maybe it’s good that you didn’t buy one. Well, I can’t afford one now. I mean, I’m waiting for the prices to come down. What are they? 89 Now? No, they’re still the.

[00:56:32] Cheapest ones: 100 grand. Wow, yeah, when we ordered we were told 49.9. Yeah, and I’m fine with that. Like I will pay that, no problem, but sure anybody would right now can’t double that for a new one anyway. Anyway, yeah, so that’s cool. You had a good time. I enjoyed that very much then. So the next day, fourth of july, was a good day. That was the day I got to- and I didn’t, but somebody else did for me- got to maiden, the MB-339. I have now flown nine flights on my own on it. Some of them were buddy boxes, but not.

[00:57:11] With them doing anything right and I’ve passed my waiver test and will now be getting my turbine.

[00:57:17] Waiver. That’s awesome. I’m very excited. So for folks that don’t know the process, what does it take to get a turbine waiver? So I’m curious myself because I will have to go through that as well. I’m going to

[00:57:31] Be honest on the third, the july 3rd, when I was there. There’s another guy that’s also working on his turbine waiver and so the, the- I don’t want to say test, but the knowledge portion- we all went over and we’re just kind of having a conversation on how to do things, on what to look for and all that kind of stuff. So after that conversation, the- the guy that signed me off- was happy with what, was happy enough that I knew what I was doing in order to have that. Does that make sense? Yep, so, because

[00:58:08] Of that and the conversations and stuff we’ve had in the past, he knew that I had the basics down in order to be considered okay on that part of the test and honestly so the first couple flights that I flew- very nerve-wracking I’m sure, because you just you don’t know the airplane yet and it’s- it’s a hard mental thing to get over when your wife is there and she’s pretty much she knows.

[00:58:46] How much you spend on it and knows, like I know, that if I crashed it she’s not gonna let me buy another one right now. Well, I mean, we would have that conversation, I’m I don’t know, but anyway, hopefully you don’t have to have that conversation right. And so I just felt the judgy eyes on me, but she never made any comments, anything like that. But so once, once I kind of settled down from that and, honestly, just the first flights on it were

[00:59:20] So being on a buddy box helps a lot, sure, just to calm your nerves on that, because you have training wheels if you do something stupid. And having somebody there that’s experienced, that has flown this probably more than anybody else- honestly, knowing that he knows the airplane enough to sense if I’m starting to get into problems beforehand, yeah, made me just calm me down quite a bit too. So after having, like I said, a few flights with him, I flew, I think.

[00:59:55] I don’t know if I flew by myself that day or not, it doesn’t matter. And so the next day, or actually it was a couple days later, I went back and flew the- yeah, official, that was the day, I guess.

[01:00:09] Reggie and I started on the assembly yeah you guys should have come just saying but anyway.

[01:00:14] Reggie was making progress so I actually was surprised you didn’t I wanted to but Reggie was making.

[01:00:22] Good progress and I don’t want to slow him down so yeah I get it but anyway so then for the.

[01:00:30] Qualification flight it was. It was just a simple. If you can show your what you’re doing, if you can be told, okay, do a cuban aid, do practice your approaches, doing whatever like that, and you can show you have control the jet and still kind of talk to the, the pilot in control and all that kind of stuff, it’s not that bad and it all depends, I think, who you have. Help signing you off also. Yeah.

[01:00:57] So the process is: there’s a, there’s a, an, like an initial q a with the guy that’s going to an interview- okay, an interview. And then you just fly with him on the buddy box and when- yeah, you have.

[01:01:11] To fly on the buddy box for your first flights which is good yeah I’m happy with it and then so when.

[01:01:16] The. When the signee is good with- I’m sorry- the signer, when he is okay and feels confident that the signee knows what he’s doing and can fly the airplane in a safe manner, then he just signs off and then that’s all there is to it, pretty much. Oh okay, I mean like, why do you need? There’s two different.

[01:01:34] Signatures. That’s just how they have it set up. Okay. One of them has to be an experienced turbine pilot- okay, and then one of them has to be an extra or experienced turbine pilot. That’s also a cd, okay.

[01:01:47] So you have to have two signatures though yeah you have to have so like a cd can’t sign both.

[01:01:52] Well, you could have somebody that is a cd sign both, but not the same person, not the same cd, right? So I mean it’s not saying that, okay, so it can’t be easy. So a cd, a contest director who has that on.

[01:02:08] Their ama license who also has a turbo waiver and lots of turbine experience cannot by himself.

[01:02:13] Sign off a new turbine pilot. Okay, but you could have two cds. Yes, but you could not just have two regular turbine pilots. One has to be a cd. Yes, got it okay. So, and I mean, that’s where we are, luckily.

[01:02:27] That’s not hard to come by lots of lots of experience lots of people to help and they’re all.

[01:02:33] Very helpful. Yeah, yeah seem to be, and, like everything that I did for the qualification flight wasn’t necessarily on one flight either. It can be over just a couple flights. With it’s not a pass fail right, fly it until you pass right and you can do it as many times as you need to. But, like I said, it wasn’t that bad. We- we practiced the, the missed approach, like if you didn’t quite get it in. And when I say we practiced, it was not on purpose, it was, it was literally. I mean, it’s a brand.

[01:03:01] New airplane you haven’t, you have no time with, so you haven’t really figured out the key moments in the flight: to add flaps or drop gear or chop the throttle or whatever, and my, my biggest,

[01:03:13] Fear was stalling it, sure, and it’s always stalling it. On that final turn to approach that, you just you don’t know how fast you need to be going, how slow, anything like that. One of the things that they had me do was go up very high and just do nothing but practice stalls and practice stalls as you’re turning for your final approach. That’s yeah, and what I really like about that airplane: even if you’re 70 degrees twisted or at a bank angle, 70 degrees, when you stall, it stalls flat. Oh nice, it just.

[01:03:48] Settles right down, give it some power, and that’s the other thing of practicing. That is, you actually can kind of see what the airplane is doing before it stalls, yeah, and you can tell that’s starting to get less control, surface authority right, and it’s kind of coming. So as long as you just kind of throttle up, then you’re fine, yeah, and so with that one, you keep throttle on until you are lined up and ready to land and then cut throttle all the way down to idle and then just let it settle in and it lands very nicely, very predictably. Yeah, I’m very happy with it. Yeah, the video by the

[01:04:23] Way videos it looks. It looks very well behaved. Yes, so far, the maiden is online. Ali machine, she flew that for me and so that’s what I have on youtube. I don’t remember if I have that on the website yet or not. It will eventually be on the, the website’s build log. I’m gonna have everything else up on there. Like I said, I don’t think that’s working quite yet on the link, but I can get that done, probably not before this comes out, but shortly afterwards. But yeah, I mean, like I said it was.

[01:04:56] Nerve-wracking but easy, and I’m excited for you guys to get into it too. He’s talking to both of us, I know. Okay, do re mi, I know, speaking of that, by the way. So there was the other thing. The first day, I think the first day- ended up having eight or nine flights on it. I’ve written down, but I don’t remember right off hand of which three alley flew by himself. So those eight or nine flights total.

[01:05:34] Three gallons of fuel. Oh my, so be prepared, okay. So I was asking them: like what do you? Do you have a five gallon tank? Do you try and figure out? Well, five gallon tank of fuel you bring with your jug? Yeah, five and a half gallons. I said so how do you figure out how much oil to put in? Or do you have another tank or something that you use to fill that? They, of course, said the best thing to do is have another tank that you can leave full and just refill the other diesel tank, because I’m using diesel.

[01:06:05] You can just refill that other tank into the tank you bring to the field, into the jug you bring to the field. Does that make sense? So you bring five gallons of fuel with you every time and then, when you’re like at home, you can refill that with what you have stocked at home. Am I explaining that well, yet still not tracking that? Okay, so I have a fuel jug that’s five and a half gallons I take with me to the field, right, I also have of that five and a half gallon jug. There’s five gallons of fuel and

[01:06:40] How much oil one quart okay so one quart per five gallons okay but that’s neither here nor there.

[01:06:46] On this one. I’m just talking about the fuel container I’m bringing with me. Okay, so I have this fuel container that has fuel in it when I get low and need to refill it, instead of trying to do all the math and putting a gallon of gas or two gallons of diesel- not gas- into it, I now I went out and bought another five gallon diesel container that is at home, that is filled with fuel, ready to go into the tank, into the container I take to the field with me. Right, I’m doing a terrible job of

[01:07:18] Explaining this I’m sorry so I’m just trying to do the math and so you have to top off the one that.

[01:07:22] You leave at home. No, you still have to do the math. You don’t have to top off the one you leave at home. When that is empty, you will have four gallons, five gallons whatever- in the container you take with you to the field. It’s like a reserve. Whatever works for you. It’s like I wish I could explain it.

[01:07:41] So you? It’s like a reserve tank. You’re putting three gallons back into your transporter tub. There you go, which leaves you two gallons at home. Mm-hmm, but you’re, and so then next time you want to.

[01:07:52] Pop that off next time. You don’t have enough to go. Well, but next time when you go to fly then you have five gallons and let’s say you use another three gallons. Okay, so you come home with two gallons in the container you take to the field with you and then you have two gallons at home and your storage tank. You fill that in there. So now your storage tank is empty. You might only have four gallons in your main tank. Then you can go fill your five gallon storage tank, get it all mixed up right and then add that to the tank you take to the field. I’m tracking. That’s working a little.

[01:08:25] Bit better yeah but yeah I don’t know how to describe it very like it’s so simple in my head.

[01:08:29] But I cannot get the words. I pass a lot of gas stations on the way to the field. If I’m low on fuel, I’ll just. If it’s three gallons and it’s one quart per five gallons, then I know I need two fifths of a quart to put two gallons. I don’t think you’re going to do that. You don’t think I’m going to do that, I don’t. I could save myself 75 bucks or whatever for a jug of whatever. Yeah, I’ll do that. 75 Bucks for a jug of what? Well, you have another jug set up at the house, oh, not with the pump and

[01:08:54] Stuff no not with the pump and stuff it was a 16 dollar gas or diesel can that I bought at menards.

[01:08:59] I guess yeah I see that just you’re trading one trip now for one trip later just so I can always.

[01:09:05] Do full five gallons to one for the mix, yes. And the other reason- that’s easier too- is when you buy the gallon. Oh, by the way, I had to buy more king tech oil. Do how much that is? I do, yeah, two gallons, 120 bucks. Yeah, two gallons of oil which will make 40 gallons of flying. Where are you buying it? From king tech? Okay, free shipping even. Okay, that’s the normal price. Okay, and that’s what king tech recommends for the king tech turbines. But anyway, they do. When

[01:09:41] I lost my train. I thought what I was talking about before- fuel drugs. Yeah, I thought I was past that. Oh no. So when you’re refilling it you have one gallon of the, the fuel oil. Yeah, so it’s so much easier because it has the lines on the side that show you one quart delineation on the side of that. So when you’re pouring that in you don’t have to measure anything, you can just use the jug that it came in to tell you how much you have. So it’s so much easier to do it that way. You were looking on your phone like you’re trying to find a better deal on.

[01:10:11] It. Well, I just I hope you can like. I don’t think you will. Yeah, you’re probably right. So the way I did, I did end up doing the math on this. So two gallons of king tech or king tech oil is 120 bucks. That’s enough to make technically 42 gallons of fuel. Because you’re mixing it with 40 gallons of gas, each flight is about a half gallon. So that means each flight is about three bucks. Cheap entertainment.

[01:10:51] I’m about cheap, but it’s definitely worthwhile. So it’s this stuff. You’re fine, right? Yep? Well, mine’s red. Well, that’s king tech oil stuff I bought was red. Now you’re going to make me look and make sure.

[01:11:04] I bought the right stuff. King tech v3 turbine oil: two gallons fully synthetic with recycled petroleum. 115, 115, 115 For three gallons. For two gallons, two gallons, 115. It’s right there. Hold on because.

[01:11:20] Mine has. That’s off boomerang. I just got mine that said it shipped from king tech, so either way, problem I don’t have. Yeah, red dyed. Not remember why or what they said on that one, but yeah, there’s that right there. Two gallons 120.

[01:11:38] Maybe I need to ask somebody about the red dye one. If anybody knows, let me know what the difference between the red dyed oil and the other stuff that’s not red is. And apparently, yeah, I don’t know what the red dye is for either. I’ll have to look that up afterwards. But anyway, no matter what you’re, yeah, that’s 500 difference between them. Yeah, right, yep, so I mean, it is what it is, and you’re gonna be around the bigger turbine than I am. Yeah, that one, what’s that? That’s the 102. Yeah, the g5 and g5.

[01:12:14] Well, I can’t say that yeah, because I haven’t. That’s true, so cool. Can’t wait for you to get in stock too. Anyway, they might be one lower before too long in stock. Wouldn’t that be nice? I would, if it was on.

[01:12:29] Its way here, okay. Well, that’s all I had. What do you guys? Yeah, I’m very excited. I can’t wait to see it fly. I still have not seen it fly. I mean all the, all the flights you have on it I still haven’t witnessed. Yeah, we’ll get over there again soon. Yep, I’m off this weekend, just saying.

[01:12:46] I have a lot to do this weekend so this weekend is bad well I’m gonna fly something somewhere this.

[01:12:52] Weekend, maybe tomorrow. We’ll see. Yeah, we’ll see. I might maiden the beast tomorrow, I don’t know, let’s hope. So I’ll say that’s been a while. Yeah, I’d like to. It’s been ready for months, yeah, a couple months now, a while, yeah. So maybe we’ll see what the weather’s like and see how the

[01:13:10] The work goes on the card tomorrow. We’ll see what tomorrow brings. If you do that, maybe I can meet you out there for some late evening night flying. So honestly, I would prefer nobody to be there when I when I made it. But no, I fully understand that. But I’m saying by the time you get out there, hopefully the maiden will be done. Yeah, because I’m busy tomorrow night till at least 6: 30.. Wow, have it if I’m going to fly. That’s my point. Way done before then. That’s why I said late.

[01:13:38] Evening slash night hopefully I’ll have all the pieces picked up by then take a trash bag yeah or.

[01:13:44] Two it’s a big plane it’s a big plane yeah I might need two dave I hope not a backpack to take the engine.

[01:13:51] Home in. Yeah, it’s a big engine, nice. But yeah, that’s all I got. I’m really super, super happy for the that, the maiden and all that went well, me too. Yeah, that’s, and your waiver is practically done. That’s a load, that’s a load off. Well, you are, you’re done. Yeah, just waiting for the signature.

[01:14:08] Right no I gotta send it in now oh yeah that’s awesome I know you can be one of the signatories.

[01:14:15] On mine. Maybe I said maybe. Maybe I said maybe we’ll see. If you’re not comfortable, then I’ll find someone else. We’ll see get it done, then we’ll talk. Well, I gotta do that first, right? Yeah. So anything else, no, that’s all I got. No, thank you for the ornament. I love it. You’re welcome. It will hang on my tree.

[01:14:31] With pride I actually like that one I thought I would do they have more you should get one I mean.

[01:14:38] Well, I don’t have that plane though. No, that’s what I’m talking about. You should get the airplane. If they’ve got more, well, they do, but I don’t need another one of those. Okay, it’s a bigger plane. I know you like the tiny planes. You can fly here, although I like the bigger plane. I think this one would. I would probably fly this, this here. Well, yeah, I thought I would certainly fly the kingfisher, and it’s not.

[01:14:57] Very much smaller than that. I fly the slow ultra stick here all the time and that’s a little faster, but not by much. Yeah, not by much, yeah, okay, well, thank you everybody for listening. This has been fun. Yeah, it’s nice to be back. It’s good, yeah, it’s good to be all together again. For now, mr guys, yeah, I.

[01:15:15] Missed. You too love you guys inside jokes. You want to tell him about that text? Yeah, I’ll tell him. So yeah, I did something stupid today before. And how’s that different from any other day? Well, that’s true, he’s not wrong. I do something stupid at least once every day. So today’s stupid move was so not to make this go on and on, but my dog has been sick and, like last night, we were up late and I didn’t get a lot of sleep, so I wasn’t really with it today, like I wasn’t a hundred.

[01:15:48] Percent today. So I’m sitting at my computer and I’ve got facebook open and I get: I can’t do, I can’t have my phone. So this is at work, yeah, at work. I cannot have my phone where I work. We’re not allowed to have our phones back in the area where I work. So I open facebook on my computer so I can communicate with people that I communicate with, like my wife and you and whoever else is on facebook messenger. So I had about three or four chat windows open and- and I don’t remember what time-

[01:16:18] It was like I said I wasn’t, I wasn’t really sure- 8, 22, 22 this morning and I got a chat window open with, obviously, lori, and I was thinking I haven’t told her I loved her in a while. I’ll just send her a quick little text: I love you on. Yeah well, I sent that in your chat window, Ron, so I told Ron that I loved him. Today I saw that, bless his heart, he- he could have taken the opportunity to really, really make me look like an idiot and his reply was the best: love you.

[01:16:51] Too, man, which as soon as I saw the man, I was like wait, oh crap, I figured that would give it away. It did. It did like if you had just replied back like I love you, I probably would have continued that conversation. Oh, that could have been great. Oh, hey, what do you want to do tonight? Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, you could have, which is why I was so thankful that you clued me in right away. Could have asked him to pick up a pizza or something on the way home. Right, yeah, exactly which I probably

[01:17:23] Would have. That’s funny, so anyway, yeah, that was the stupid thing, so be mindful of who you send your chats and texts to. Luckily, it was just something as innocuous as that, but

[01:17:36] Oh I would have preferred something else I guess then if there’s more to hold it over your head for.

[01:17:40] The rest of your life. Yeah, yeah, remember that picture you sent me. Oh my gosh. Well, good thing I can’t have my phone back there because, yeah, I probably would send pictures. Oh, okay, well, on that note, yeah.

[01:17:52] Thank you everybody for listening until next time I’m Ron I’m Tom and I’m dave to you guys.

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