Ep 166: When are airplane markings offensive?

[00:00:05] Hello everyone and welcome to the rc plane lab podcast i'm ron i'm tom and i'm dave hey y'all

[00:00:16] Y'all what's up that's the midwestern hello no it's not it's a southern hello

[00:00:23] We say that sometimes here who me not you but i don't it's always hello there mine's always how y'all doing how y'all doing i swear i've never heard you guys say that like an actual conversation around whenever i have said that obviously i'm just not comfortable

[00:00:43] Around him maybe oh that's too hoity-toity oh the wheels he's always stuck in his shell he's always

[00:00:50] Afraid to come out of his shell to talk to people i'm always the one introducing our yes to the

[00:00:55] People hey y'all hey y'all no okay then i don't think anyway well we are way off the wheels on

[00:01:05] The bus have fallen off already or whatever that is if you say so anyway so cold and windy it's been

[00:01:12] Cold and windy lately it's been a little wet crappy and a lot wet actually feel sorry for our southern

[00:01:18] Folks yeah speaking of y'all yeah maybe that's where you guys got it just all of a sudden yeah you're probably right the hurricane affected my speech sure my brother-in-law lives down in tampa

[00:01:31] I haven't heard anything from him so apparently he's either dead or doing fine

[00:01:35] Well hopefully hopefully doing fine and busy with cleanup hopefully

[00:01:39] I mean that's the complete opposite either or it has to be one of the two or i guess some delineation in between or some yeah anyway whatever

[00:01:52] But yeah i'm sure my wife has spoken to him but hopefully yeah not if he's dead not if he's dead

[00:02:00] Though well maybe i mean who knows well i guess you would you board and i suppose yeah so airplanes

[00:02:07] Medium yeah airplanes rc airplanes let's talk about something other than ah death

[00:02:15] There's been enough of that around here lately oh yeah you wanna oh yeah sure so yeah last week we had to say goodbye to our family pet cooper the dog yeah so thanks for reminding me to talk about that it was a rough couple days he's been with us for 12 years so he was a pit bull 13 years old which is old for a pit bull yeah he's getting up there but yeah we'll miss him but take us a while to even think about getting another dog but i'm fairly confident that someday not very soon

[00:02:54] We'll probably have another dog really i think so would you like to borrow river for a while no

[00:02:59] Laurie laurie's up for another one she was well no she didn't say that but i i feel in my heart that eventually she will come around she will want the companionship because she really really

[00:03:11] Was bonded oh absolutely cooper so yeah i'm sorry to hear that that's terrible thank you yeah

[00:03:18] Luckily he didn't suffer for very long thank goodness it was a decision we we sort of

[00:03:25] Were forced to make based on his condition that progressed pretty quickly so his advanced age

[00:03:32] Yeah he he didn't suffer and he was in not he was not in any pain so that we we had that good for us so anyway and then i lost my eight-year-old bunny and i lost his buddy now that that sucks i have no more bunnies and happier notes guys let's move on yes oh well but in the last couple weeks no airplanes have died of ours so that's good no that is good yeah we haven't flown too much

[00:04:04] Either well that's true that's how it happens so we did have the eli scale flying can you

[00:04:13] Really say you have my field well they did so they had a registered pilot we we i mean like we

[00:04:22] Knew the weather was going to be crappy hit or miss but we decided what let's have it in any way just because we made a mistake it was it was pretty bad so it was thursday friday saturday thursday i was there by myself friday i was there by myself saturday i was there by myself till the late afternoon nearly by yourself actually no there were a couple people that showed

[00:04:52] To see what was going on saturday but i did fly believe it or not i got 20-ish flights in i think between the days oh wow excellent only because i was the only one there and had no one to talk to

[00:05:06] And the wind was right down the runway oh the wind sucked yeah but it was right down the runway so i think thursday was was 19 mile an hour gusting to 30 gusting to 30 yeah saturday i did not fly at all because it was actually kind of not not straight down the runway it was kind of cross runway and it was it was bumpy which sucked and it was i think that was 20 28 or 29 mile an hour wind yeah with like 46 gusts these are all the remnants of the hurricane hurricane yeah and i

[00:05:45] Think i think springfield the the highest gust we got here was like 62 mile an hour yeah it was pretty yeah it was very windy in town even which is rare yeah usually the trees and stuff block it and it kind of goes above us but and then saturday it kind of calmed down a little bit i think it was 15

[00:06:00] 24 so yeah friday night i was actually concerned i live in town obviously but some of the noises emanating from my house as we were trying to sleep i was concerned that siding was actually coming off the house of the noises i was hearing but luckily nothing like that happened but it was very windy even in town which is like i said kind of rare yeah so not conducive to a flying event nope no no not at all and i think that scared a lot of people

[00:06:30] Away rightfully so yeah except for this dumb head here i went ahead and and went every day at least you got some flying i did get some flying in i probably shouldn't have but it kind of goes back to pushing outside of our comfort zone yes and so i flew the viper the viper 90 i got a like two flights in on the slow ultra stick i mean i don't know how you pulled that one off yeah really that so that one to get it to fly backwards that's about the only way easily i think i was more

[00:07:03] Concerned about it actually flying forwards at full throttle i was going to say it's max p we figured out was about 35 mile an hour yeah yeah so i that was that happened i think twice two batteries and that was about all but the viper was was powerful enough i guess to not care too much about you get those heavier wing loading cutting through the the way or the wind so i did i threw a the sky id in it just to see how fast downwind and it ended up close to 140 140 yeah that's awesome that should

[00:07:41] Tell you how fast it was down now upwind i didn't even pay attention because i was just looking when i went through i was just right i was just looking at the at the the speed the high speeds as i was going through not for the the regular passes but yeah it was just under 140 that's awesome the goblin would be fun in that oh my god you would lose it in five seconds but like i said

[00:08:05] Right down the runway or else i would not have tried and you won an award so you can now say that

[00:08:09] You are an award-winning pilot so yeah i did win the choice i did win the pilot's choice award you were the only pilot i was the only pilot there so i gave it to myself actually we so at our last club meeting last night the all of the prizes are cups and they're laser etched cups and stuff and they're dated yeah so it had to be given out this year and it was for the scale event so we just drew names and all that kind of stuff but i was awarded mine being pilot's choice nice

[00:08:43] Yeah at least i mean at least i showed up true to get the cup very true like most of the other people there that ended up winning the cups didn't even fly anything scale or anything at all world war one

[00:08:58] World war ii civilian yeah yeah that's okay well i had every intention well i'm not not i can't say every intention but saturday i was actually working up the gumption to get out of the house and take some airplanes over there to fly but i got preoccupied with working on the i've got my receiver last week by the way for the jet oh yeah that's awesome that's synapse and so i was i got involved with getting the install on the wiring all nice and clean and that and i was making good progress so i elected not to go to eli now i realize i should have because i could have won an award yeah saturday

[00:09:33] Would have been the the day to do it friday and that's the other thing like saturday morning friday and thursday morning going backwards were kind of rainy and and just misty too so yeah it was not the best but yes you could have showed up it would have been nice to have somebody there somebody to talk to yeah at least

[00:09:56] You live you learn next year if that happens we'll cancel i was figuring logistics to do it myself and it's like no not going it just it was saturday especially well i'm friday i always get those confused friday especially was just so bad it would not have been fun and i work a half day friday so i was thinking about it's like yeah yeah friday i spent actually most of the day i i knew it was going to be bad out so i actually took my laptop with me just in case and so how eli is it has the the the big hanger and then the outdoor pavilion thing so i was sitting

[00:10:32] Under the pavilion with my laptop up and it was blowing my laptop across the the table yeah so i ended up going and sitting inside the the hanger for a while and working on stuff in there and i mean it just it got to the point where it was just windy and rainy and crappy so i went home yeah live and learn and you'll have days like that yeah yeah you will like i get it like i said we we probably should have

[00:10:59] Canceled but i don't know why it would have canceled because a hurricane

[00:11:04] And that that was the worst part like literally up until a week before looking at the forecast three to four mile an hour winds yeah 73 degrees yeah like all three days yeah man i was excited or a hurricane or a hurricane who knew but yeah that was my weekend of flying so let's talk about your jet though what are you working on that you said you got

[00:11:31] Your synapse oh yeah so i i installed the i've got the receiver installed and i ran obviously i have the servos i got those previously those are all installed the wiring harnesses are made out to the wings with the quick connects that i wired up myself the wing harnesses themselves are done so pretty much all that's left to do is to get a uat install that and plumb everything because the tank is done too by the way nice and then yeah acquire a turbine plummet and run the

[00:12:03] Electric to it and that airplane will be ready to go so you're really close yeah work-wise financially well yeah i understand that yeah but no it once i get the final final few components the uat and the and the turbine yeah i'm maybe an hour's worth of work left to do on it so nice yeah that'll be a that'll be a quick turnaround once i get the once i get the engine

[00:12:32] On hand so and you're doing a 120 right 102 102 yeah sorry i knew there was a two in there somewhere

[00:12:37] Yeah flipped them 100 ish size i'm leaning towards the the king tech 102 g4 but we'll we'll see you what what happens when the time comes to actually order one if i can't find one in stock anywhere then i will consider swelin or chicoi or jetcat or whoever but i would like to go with the king tech because i'm familiar with them having run two of them now yeah nice lead in thanks yeah so speaking of running two we got we got reggie's jet complete

[00:13:13] Complete and nearly ready to fly just a few small final tweaks final tweaks to for for that airplane to be ready to truly ready to fly which the only things he has to do is all he has to do is cg throws right just double check the cg which will be fine because we'll put six ounces of lead in the

[00:13:33] Nose no you won't you i mean honestly you're gonna have to add more than that well because it was i did six ounces you keep getting for some reason whenever we were talking about this before i kept saying six inches but yes six ounces is what i put in oh right but i also have the the four thousand mh so we'll check

[00:13:52] It yeah or he will check it because he has physical possession of the airframe yeah it's not gone in my house any longer so but yeah cg whatever it takes to get that close and then final control throws make sure they're all even and that sort of thing and make sure they're recommended manual recommended per the manual throw oh yeah what i'm talking about throws recommended by the manual and that's it we've ran it you were here to to witness the first run and reggie was

[00:14:26] Here and he was very excited asked a lot of questions which is good yeah no and you yelled at

[00:14:33] Me for doing all the work for him i did like no offense but you were like you kept because i suggested you didn't let him from start to finish turn it on start it turn it off and then turn everything off completely reboot and all that kind of stuff because he needs to learn every step it took me a while to remember to always turn the fuel on because i don't have any other airplanes that have a fuel shutoff that you have to do that on so it's good to get in that habit and you would just step in

[00:15:04] And and do that one step for him or something different it's like let him do it let him do it

[00:15:09] Just leave him alone kaboom yeah yeah well good times yeah but he did he did finally do it all by himself from start to finish with no input from either of us yeah so and i i think and the more

[00:15:25] He does it the more comfortable he will get yeah i think the the time it clicked for me to always remember to turn it on is when i didn't turn it on in front of somebody else start yeah it didn't start this thing oh but the worst part was there was another jet that was spooling up near mine so i thought

[00:15:39] It was running yeah and then the guy's like well the guy was me no that wasn't there because i looked at you i was like are you gonna stop the start sequence so you can restart it i thought that was miguel that was there that time well he was there but i was looking at you like ron it's not running

[00:15:57] And you just kept standing there looking at it like listen dude it sounds good there's no smoke this time

[00:16:02] Though god yeah i mean ah there was too much going on then that poor starter i said run in that starter

[00:16:09] Motor oh yeah whatever that's that's fine because that's the starter motor that's the cooling motor that's

[00:16:14] Everything motor yeah it's not going to hurt anything it's the one that turns the turbine and

[00:16:21] Makes thrust no it's not wow but anyway yes reggie was able to start and get his all taken care of did you tell him the trick on the trim settings though i did that's actually i'm glad you because

[00:16:36] I did get to do some flying that reminds me reggie and i did go to the church i forget what day that was was a monday friday sunday it was sunday we flew sunday i flew the viper i flew the viper 70 and a 90 i have a 90 size viper now you what thank you reggie yeah that really generous gesture by reggie gave me his old e-flight viper 90 he got a new one but he gave me his old one for helping him out with his jet and basically it was it was rent for keeping his airplane at my

[00:17:10] Place for a while he should have given you the new one well i did suggest that he he was like

[00:17:16] No that's okay but no it's fine then you should have gone and pulled like 10 wires out and been like okay then it's all on you to put it back so the viper shows up at my house is that right exactly

[00:17:25] No no wires out of the jet yeah that he put together or just pluck the uat out of it or something yeah i could have done that i need reggie to do something stupid because i i need some cash flow

[00:17:36] Yeah reggie are you listening he will don't worry but anyway yeah we did go to the church and flew the flew the two vipers forget where i was going with that oh reggie's transmitter so yes we did figure out the quick trim and it is exactly what you said when i went to that menu scrolled over

[00:17:54] To the right so hold on instead of that menu instead of all that explain i was afraid you were

[00:17:59] Gonna ask that so okay so for starting a turbine oh right so the pro at least for a king tech which is what i'm familiar with the start process is you start from stick down trim down right and the start command is trim all the way up and then you run the stick to full throttle and back to idle that is the signal to the gsu to start the turbine correct and if you don't have quick trim i call it quick trauma it's whatever the name of it is if you don't have that enabled then you have to push the trim rocker

[00:18:29] Up and wait for it to go all the way exactly to full like yeah to full up trim and then the reverse the shutdown process is you pull the stick back to idle pull the trim all the way down to cut off so that's annoying and time consuming and it makes a lot of noise especially if your volume is set to one thousand like it is on reggie's transmitter because he's old and deaf so yeah we figured out the the the three-step trim and that is in the trim settings menu in the setup menu on his nx series

[00:19:06] Radio yeah so so it just takes big chunks at a time it's just one click down it's all the way down one quick up it's back to neutral another click up it's all the way up super super simple yeah and see quick when okay so i didn't even know that i'm sorry because we don't fly the turbines with trim with throttle trim right yeah so so it's there's no reason to have the the individual trim positions

[00:19:29] And i didn't even know that was a thing like the first few times we started mine that's how we did it was the long beeps and all that kind of stuff when i went and had ali fly it for the first time he didn't apparently like that so he's like oh let me change it i mean he did it so fast like i was

[00:19:44] Trying to watch and see what he was doing well when you do it every day right of the year and so

[00:19:50] He changed it and stuff and he said there now it's just two clicks up and you're you're fine i'm like i should ask i should ask cool thank you and then so i knew that was a thing yeah when we had reggie's nx series which i have never i mean his is the first nx radio i've ever touched i don't i just

[00:20:09] It's very similar to dx radios which you are familiar with yeah it's been a while it's been a long time i don't remember much about the interface the gui yeah graphic user yeah the user interface is the same it's the rocker with the potion and i don't like that i miss that

[00:20:26] I like the push button but anyway so on that one under the trim setup menu it had numbers and then under the trim type for throttle was common digital common digital common digital is what it was yep and so we were playing well you were playing with the numbers numbers trying to raise the number and that actually did take a little bit of the the clicks out it took quite a bit it moved it up more

[00:20:50] Than like one spot so instead of one click of trim being one one click tidbit of resolution one click would be five tidbits of resolution or whatever i like that what i'm saying so but it did speed it up but not not like the two or three position and when we were looking at it i was a

[00:21:07] Little leery to change the switch type i was i had no clue what to do right so me too i asked one of the guys at the field and he went and got his nx radio out and he actually showed me this is exactly where you go this is what you said it to he actually said he uses two position just up and down but he said a lot of people do three he said there's no reason really other than personal preference to do either yeah but after that yes i called you and said hey before i forget what he told me this is what to do that way you can forget what i told you after i forgot what he no i won't

[00:21:40] I won't forget that because i'll be using that same technique on mine when the time comes so yeah

[00:21:45] Hopefully it well you could do that now actually on your since you have your that's true receiver in

[00:21:51] Yep and it's all bound it's all ready to i figured and i have all the throws measured and

[00:21:56] Everything is said first time setups done and all that so what did you think well you've done it twice now because you've done reggie's and yours what do you think of the the synapse setup well i haven't

[00:22:06] Flown it yet right but however the first time setup is so easy i mean it is it is it's so easy a fool like me can do it and i'm gonna be honest like an old school set in his ways it it took me a little bit longer probably than someone younger and who's used to that sort of programming

[00:22:29] Language not language but steps steps yeah to it and where to go but i found it with a i asked you a few questions on the first attempt but on mine it was it took me 10 minutes and not even probably

[00:22:43] That's the thing like i even got the nose wheel to work right off the bat yeah isn't that nice that's the thing it was so quick and so easy to do i thought i was missing something or doing

[00:22:55] Something wrong well i knew i wasn't on on mine but yeah i felt the same way when i was working on

[00:23:00] Reggie's well yeah because the one i have is the first one i ever dealt with right and the the first time setup you go through and it's like four or five steps and you're like that's it is

[00:23:08] That really it like so yeah yeah no i i think i'm i'm quite fond of the of how easy the setup was and i'm also looking forward to on the fly changes like on the first flight i so something that stuck with me from go ahead i'll remember what i was going to say just go on okay so something that stuck with me from our trip to joe noll this year was when we went to that seminar given by the horizon guys about the synapse you remember that yeah yeah and something that's

[00:23:44] That stuck with me i believe ali said it he said he had all he can get to a point where he does three laps three circuits he calls it three laps of the field and he has all of his setup done for all of his flight modes flaps no flaps landing flaps whatever in three in three circuits of the air and that stuck with me and so i was thinking like as i'm setting mine up i'm like i can totally see how that's possible like how quickly you can you can do that especially when you have the knob and then you capture the settings at the end you're done well you can fine tune it later exactly

[00:24:20] Very easily so yeah i'm really i'm really really excited and looking forward to flying mine the first

[00:24:26] Time and so i don't think i have any changes in my gains okay based on the the flat position yeah but using f modes i do have obviously different trims and stuff set up for the different class position

[00:24:42] And well you don't need synapse to do that you can assign flight modes and it'll store but like combining that with the the gains the gains and stuff i mean like i can totally see dialing up the gain if i'm in a landing configuration and you can do that you can do that just based on

[00:25:03] The switch which is amazing what else i and gosh i'm not i can't talk about it because i don't remember every little thing so i don't want to give bad information but i did have a nice long conversation with a guy about the gains and stuff on as3x with what's it called the there's that other as3x plus now has that other setting in it whoa stop lock heading hold no it's like stop lock yeah yeah is

[00:25:35] That what it's called or yeah i know what you're talking about yeah yeah where you can dial how sensitive you want it to be when it stops or starts a an input

[00:25:49] I think i know what you're talking about but anyway there's a lot more adjustability into it that you can dial it in farther than just the basic gains right and and he explained to me how to do that but like i said i if i had it in front of me and was kind of looking at the options and stuff i could kind of talk you through it yeah but yeah and pretty much the there's another number two oh i i'm gonna sound so stupid there's another number two that actually will tell because i guess it's number two

[00:26:19] Number also wow what is it i don't know well there's lots of lots there's last i checked there were three really really helpful tutorials on spectrum's website just on the synapse alone yeah

[00:26:35] Okay go through that and do that because it's awesome i i watched those and i didn't quite understand it but actually after talking to him it like hit and all of a sudden it's like oh i get it now i just can't remember what they're called in order to tell you what you have to go to but it's is one of them stop stop my gosh maybe and then the other one is also what kind of curve you have because obviously when you're at full aileron deflection you don't have any gyro i mean it's just completely off it's not trying to correct anything and you can set up the curve differently

[00:27:10] As to how much gyro you have at each position that's handy also yeah but i don't remember what that was called but it doesn't matter priority priority that's it yeah so you can change that the higher you go that's what it's called and that that is how much priority the stick takes over the gut or the gyro yes exactly thank you for remembering that i feel better well i remember

[00:27:33] Seeing that in the menu the other night when i was tinkering with mine yeah so you can which i left

[00:27:38] At the factory setting but yeah and actually after having had that stuff explained to me i really want to go into a couple airplanes i have and mess more with that just to see because the way it was explained was with your higher okay so with just a regular gyro where you don't have the those other options you tune it until you start to have the oscillation and then you back off so you lower your gains right you don't really want to do that like when it's flying right before it starts

[00:28:09] Oscillation when it kind of gets to it that's where apparently where you want to have your gyro set up by changing the stop lock then that will change when and how quickly it actually affects not not the extent to how much it does but how quickly it actually takes control does that make sense i think i think i know if you change that you can actually have a higher gyro gain without having the bounces and then by using you're changing your stick priority you can change yeah how much you get

[00:28:43] Based on where your your sticks are too yeah there's a lot more than i can oh nicely explain yeah but it

[00:28:50] Is it's such a capable like i sound like a salesman but it is like it was super super easy for me to

[00:28:56] Set up yeah so listen to us who were completely against as3x what two years ago yeah well yeah we were i think a lot has to do with learning more about it and not being old curmudgeons true so before i

[00:29:12] Actually pulled the trigger and ordered my receiver which came surprisingly quick granted we're only an hour from champagne but anyway i did download manuals for other gyro systems like so for example the cortex pro the the the flex basically whatever the one the aurora i think it's called aura yeah yeah the power box one that they make i downloaded all the manuals and read them right and i watched a few videos when the manuals didn't make sense to me and it seems like especially

[00:29:50] With the the cortex pro and i believe the aura pro i think they make a pro version forgive me if i'm not but they make a they make like a a basic one and then the higher the higher optioned one it it seems like they do they they are capable of doing the same things with with what we're calling about the stick priority and the stop lock which may or may not be the right term forgive us but it seems like these other systems they have those capabilities also

[00:30:21] But the programming is not nearly and i'm not going to say intuitive because even the spectrum one to me is not what i would call intuitive it's easy but it's not like just do it and not ever having done it before you're an expert at it what i mean yeah but these other systems are a little in some cases a lot more difficult at least for curmudgeon thanks that's a good word like me to understand so yes it's an expensive system but you have to remember it's a receiver

[00:30:53] And gyro it's like the two items that you would normally have to purchase separately and it's power safe and it's yeah yeah so 20 channels and it's integrated like it's it's designed to work with my spectrum transmitter so the telemetry i didn't have to it's all it happens automatically which

[00:31:13] For an old curmudgeon like me i appreciate so what i was going to say before when i was talking to him about the what we call the f-stops or whatever the that other adjustment yeah because i i asked him i said well how do you do that because he's talking about adjusting two things in flight you have the rotary knob that we use for gains right he said he actually doesn't use the knob he uses the top right trimmer and top left trimmer not the not the rocker not the rocker behind there but the

[00:31:44] Trimmer that are on top and he said that he does that because first off you can do both of them at the same time he can adjust them separate and then the thing that i never even thought of that makes that like completely what we should be doing that saves with the model whereas your your rotary knob

[00:32:09] Doesn't so the values saves with your model if you change it to another model then those values go to whatever it is for that new model does that make sense so you can have constant adjustability without actually locking your gain settings and f-stops or whatnot into your gyro

[00:32:27] At all times hmm are you following me i don't think so so okay let's just talk about gains only about games when you're setting up your as3x plus or your synapse you have your gyro gains that are on the the right knob and that's what we use for adjustment right in order until you lock them in well and or until you capture them right so you you would leave that where it is go in your capture menu and then capture that and then you disable and then you disable it yes but what you can do

[00:32:59] Instead of using that knob as your adjustment you can use the the trimmers okay and then instead of having that get locked in you can still leave that trimmer as an adjustment if you want and you don't have to worry about the knob being in the wrong spot for being bumped or being something like that see what you're saying and then okay that trimmer setting stays saves with the model gotcha yeah

[00:33:21] That makes that makes a lot of sense digital trim just works like any other tram it remembers it right right it's still functional if you need to change it down the road without right doing

[00:33:29] Anything without locking it in so it's it's it's yeah i i follow what you're saying so it's basically you don't have to worry about spinning the knob accidentally when the transmitter's off and then trying to remember where it was at because you've got it on a rocker switches or sorry a trimmer right

[00:33:44] Remembers it as if it was a trim no that makes perfect sense or be lazy like me and when i flew the f-18 and then flew the creek completely forgot that i had the gains set on the knob and i didn't lock them in i'll just say we know how this ended up yeah yeah so i took off with the f-18 after i had everything set up on the creek and that thing just started rocking back and forth and after like three seconds or not even that because it was pretty quick i was like okay i just got to turn

[00:34:14] This down but that would not have happened had i had those trimmed nope i'm trying with those trimmers

[00:34:19] Yeah and you're absolutely right yeah if we're not going to disable on the fly trim adjust or gain adjustments then we should absolutely have them on those trimmers yeah or put them on those trimmers

[00:34:29] Just so you can change your stop lock and your gains at the same time same time yep but that's i mean yeah that's something we can we can mess around with and learn a little bit more about but yeah

[00:34:40] I thought that was kind of cool but yeah anyway so yeah i you asked me how i how i liked it i like it very much me too i'm glad i i'm glad i went that direction i went yeah i mean i wasn't sure if you were going to and honestly like so let's say i had bought a power safe receiver minus synapse the cheapest one is 279 i think maybe i don't know i think that's the 12 channel one i think 14 maybe 14 the 14 channel one i believe is 279 so 280 bucks the cortex pro is about 140 bucks oh is it okay so i mean

[00:35:19] You're only you're only another just shy of a hundred dollars more to get something that's integrated and designed to work with my transmitter yeah that i don't even have to think about almost almost don't

[00:35:32] Have to even think about programming it well let's be honest either of those options are more than we

[00:35:38] Will ever know about oh you can do with them oh for sure and let's be completely honest we you mentioned it 10 minutes ago whatever it was that two years ago we were poo-pooing as3x you don't need as3x or gyros even really to fly these jets these days like your mb339 flies so nice i can imagine it flies almost as nice without the gyro i will say that plane does not need it but there are some that do absolutely like if you're going to get into the thrust vectoring and the jets like

[00:36:11] The like i've noticed like the the delta wing jets they are very they benefit from as3x or gyros but yeah for the jets that i'm planning on flying at least in the near future i as3x is probably not a necessity but it's a nice to have yeah and this one is very easy to program i agree so wholeheartedly so there you go pretty soon there will be three jets in the group maybe four someday

[00:36:42] Long long way away i mean well you reggie i'll have mine eventually there's three oh i count yours as

[00:36:53] Being already i thought there was there's no engine it's not a jet yet well it's still

[00:36:58] Airframe it's an airframe with only servos anyway so yeah reggie's jets good to go yours is good to go soon hopefully spring mine will be good to go and then mine is good to go soon

[00:37:13] I said and then soon hopefully mine will be oh i i'm sorry i thought you said yours then we'll work on dave and daniel to get jets i think so no that's what i said two years ago me too i have no

[00:37:26] Interest in jet that's what i said that's what i said a couple years ago until i went to the

[00:37:30] Well until i saw them flying no let me put it this way if if i can fly my jet next year as much as i'm flying my viper this year i will be extremely ecstatic i don't see a reason why that shouldn't

[00:37:48] Be i agree like i mean i understand the viper is convenient because you just have to worry about batteries but i mean that mb that jet of yours flies super super nice yes and i need more flights

[00:38:01] On it to get more used to it and be i don't see why that would be a problem at all i know i don't either and especially if there's more of us that have jets i just don't go over there by myself to do it right but yeah yeah i'm looking forward to it i think we have two more things right yeah i'll talk about a couple things first off speaking of vipers we recorded we recorded one day early last time and we missed the release of the 64 millimeter viper through horizon through e-flight whatever yeah i'll be honest i was super excited about this until until i saw it did not have

[00:38:40] Retractable gear yeah like i even saw the gear on there and i thought that really looks like retractable gear no it's not i don't even have a picture of it but no it's not retractable gear it's removable which killed it for me otherwise i if it was retractable probably would have ordered

[00:38:58] One so now how we feel about painted canopies is that i mean painted canopy is a look

[00:39:05] I feel as though there's functionality with retractable gear i mean that's like saying i'm not

[00:39:14] Going to buy it because it's got a blue wing i would have had an f86 by now if it wasn't painted

[00:39:21] Canopy but it's never going to happen i have no interest it also does not have retractable gear

[00:39:28] Well there you go it's a double negative double negative that means it's a positive right i guess

[00:39:36] But anyway so yeah 64 millimeter just a shrunken down version of their 70. you should buy a 70 and they're 90. okay so here's the other thing that made me really want this airplane the 64 batteries it runs on a 4s 2200 to 4s 3200 battery guess what i have i know all of them

[00:39:59] I have both of those the 70 flies well now having put a few flights on on reggie's old 90 the 90 flies better it's just bigger bigger is better but the 70 is so sweet so it's a great size it fits in the car

[00:40:17] Yes gonna be honest i've never dealt with the 70 how do the wings come off two bolts two from where the center so from inside the fuselage or from underneath underneath so each wing has two no each wing it's a one piece wing that's a one piece yeah it's big it's yeah i didn't know that

[00:40:41] And some very very short cords if i remember right so plugging it in is fun yeah plugging is not not a

[00:40:47] Lot of fun which is why i leave it in one piece because it fits in the car in one piece and that's

[00:40:51] Why 70 is ideal because you don't have to take it apart exactly so the 90 you do take apart but it's nice because as a quick plugs on the wing yeah and so you literally just unplug it or plug it back in just by putting the wing in yes and then it has two screws on each wing that hold them yeah and then two wing tubes a bigger one and a smaller one so on the 70 then i'm assuming noses removal removable no no oh really oh it can't be 90 run into the right things yeah the 90 it's just it's

[00:41:23] Magnetized on yeah wing tips removable no so on the 90 the the winglets are removable what else oh the what what the strakes or the ventral fins yeah no okay that they are on this one or on the 90

[00:41:38] Also yes which i like yes it makes a lot easier but when you fold the gear up on the 70 i mean it fits in the like with room to spare in the back of of both of my vehicles yeah when i had it i took and stood

[00:41:51] It up gear retracted i stood up on its edge and used the rear seat belts they'll just hold it up

[00:41:55] Against the wall of the car that's not a bad idea yeah i mean it's just to me that viper seven i mean the 64 millimeter version looks cool i i like the yellow i'm sure that size is even more convenient but for me the the gear kind of kills it for me too yeah which is why i like the 70.

[00:42:15] I wish i would have paid attention to how big but honestly though size like you could get a 70

[00:42:21] And you could buy i mean really you could buy one battery for it and with our s2200 chargers because how often do you go to the field and take only one airplane more recently lately okay so if you're taking the the mb339 if you don't count that one i'm not counting that i'm talking about the viper

[00:42:42] So you only take the viper i took the slow ultra stick last couple times but it didn't make it out of the car and i also took the car so if i take the truck yes i throw quite a bit more in there okay but for pretty much the whole fly-in that i attended by myself and the last meeting i just took the the car because it's a hell of a lot cheaper to drive even two batteries would be plenty

[00:43:07] For a 70 millimeter viper with our chargers probably and one under most circumstances would be enough because like i said rarely do i go to the field and only take one airplane to fly so you fly the 70 put the battery on the charger go fly another airplane by the time you're done flying that airplane and bs them with the guys that other battery is ready to go i'm gonna be honest though

[00:43:31] I'm to the point now where the only thing i really want to fly is the 90 okay like i that i i just enjoy that so much well then you don't need a 70 then or a 64 well 64 maybe but only if it had retractable gear which it doesn't so it's out but anyway so it is 42.2 inches wingspan i wish i knew the wingspans on the other ones because i should have had that to compare and then length is 36.77 inches price 269.99 bind and fly that's the other thing that's nice the viper 90 is what 650.

[00:44:09] Yeah it's up there yeah but worth it and the batteries are up there too the batteries are 100 and

[00:44:16] Some bucks a piece but yeah close to 200 i think no i think the the 5 120 c batteries are like one i want to say 159 169 something like that i haven't paid that much i wanted to say they were 129 not those are the 30 c i think that's the lower c rating ones because i looked just the other day because i was gonna well because i acquired a viper and i'm gonna have to buy at least one battery

[00:44:45] Yeah but 30 c is still enough is it though i mean i don't know i thought i thought you the higher c rating you wanted to go with well that's 150 amps at 30 c that's what it's ready to pull out because

[00:44:57] It's 5 000 milliamp hour battery so that's five amp hours okay multiply that by 30 so that means you

[00:45:03] Can safely pull out 150 amps what size it puts the speed control rated at 120 i wanted to say 120 okay yeah but anyway either way i guess a higher c rating is not necessary and i think on some

[00:45:17] Of the higher c ratings too they're kind of fudging numbers anyway well but they yeah like all of them

[00:45:24] But generally i think generally speaking once you go higher c rating don't you go lower resistance yeah it lowers your internal resistance that's how you get that yeah that's how you get that so that should theoretically give you more available power right you're still only going to pull

[00:45:44] It can only pull as much as it can pull yeah you just get it out faster yeah the funnel is there to get it out faster let me ask you this why bother with c rating then well because there are some like smaller batteries that you have to watch that like if you're buying a i'm just going to make up numbers a 2200 that's 10c then you're only able to pull out 22 point yeah 22 amps out of it whereas

[00:46:15] If you're running it on a 40 amp speed controller that's not going to work but if you have a 4s or a sorry a 2200 milliamp hour battery that's rated for 50 c then that will work in that higher amp draw it's

[00:46:30] Like trying to drink through a straw versus a garden hose no that's that was the analogy i was trying to

[00:46:36] Make so if there's more resistance in the hose you get less water overall but if you're only drinking

[00:46:42] An ounce a minute you don't have to worry about drinking through a garden hose a small fun or a small yeah i mean is that yeah i don't know if that so you're limited by not necessarily the

[00:46:53] The internal resistance but by the the capacity of the you're only pulling so much out okay so as long

[00:47:00] As you're over as long as you're rating no matter what the c is as long as that c rating is higher than what you're pulling out you're fine there's no restriction there's no no need to get a 50 or 100 c if a 30 c actually works out to be okay number wise okay when you do the math does that make sense sure i mean does it actually i mean because i'm you're just saying that now no i'm not go the highest c

[00:47:27] Rating you can that way you're not going to have to worry about it yeah the 30 c is 130 bucks

[00:47:36] 100 c is 149 149 for a 6s yeah and that's 5 000 because they're doing a 7 000 now too yeah that's 5 000 7 000 can be more expensive and i haven't i mean like i i don't know i don't know if i want the extra weight i like the way it flies on that so the 7 000 is probably what you're talking about the

[00:47:58] 30 c is 180. i don't know the extra flight time might be worth the sacrifice or weight

[00:48:08] Yeah maybe but then it's longer charge time too anyway okay anything else we want to talk about on that nope so i think our main topic which is probably not going to be that long that i wanted to bring up was actually a question reggie asked the three of us individually and i think without telling the others yeah well he told me he talked to you oh he didn't say that to me well he would have talked to you first so he wouldn't have talked to me by that point i don't know when he talked to dave he may

[00:48:40] Have talked to dave first i don't know find out anyway so he asked he bought an airplane it's fw 190 that has the swastika on it and he asked about taking that off or what he should do so the question is when are airplane markings offensive and that was something i never ever even thought about because it's to me it's a scale airplane from that time frame and those were the markings that

[00:49:11] Were on the airplane that's what it was so having models of it i don't think anything else i can

[00:49:17] Understand how that would upset certain individuals but unfortunately it doesn't bother me so why is that unfortunate yeah i don't i feel like i don't have empathy for these people that

[00:49:32] Are offended by it i don't think we are affected in the same way yeah i don't i don't associate the

[00:49:37] Marking the the swastika i don't really associate that like i'm i'm far enough removed from the events that happened in world war ii that seeing that emblem evokes no emotional response within me it's a scale airplane that has a scale paint scheme on it and scale markings i only see that as a a representation of something that existed in a certain time period i it doesn't

[00:50:12] You don't take all the baggage with it right exactly i mean i'm not saying i don't i don't feel for the victims of the holocaust and all the other stuff and the nasty terrible things that that group did to another group i'm not saying that at all what i'm saying is the just seeing the implement is not enough to spark an emotional response within me

[00:50:33] But that's just me right right it's supposed to be on a scale aircraft from that country yeah and

[00:50:40] That's what i told reggie i said i said it's a scale airplane if people are offended by it i feel like that's a them problem not a you problem just because you happen to have an airplane scale

[00:50:52] Airplane that has a scale marking now if i ever see that on extra i would have a problem with that

[00:50:57] Individual who did that i might that's what i said like it's got to be the right airplane exactly but as long as it is historical and historically accurate then yeah yeah you can take that with other airplanes too i mean it's not just the swastika but they're any any enemy aircraft could be seen as a negative i've got some russian stuff and i've been a little hesitant to fly them

[00:51:19] Because of what's going on now you're correct yeah but i mean i've got my migs i love my migs that have nothing to do with now i've been a little hesitant to take them out to the field just

[00:51:30] Because of the markings on them so then you have been affected some sort by i don't want to offend

[00:51:37] Anybody see i guess i guess i just don't care i mean i hate to put it in in that but in the simplest of terms i don't and i i don't care like if if my airplane whatever is on my airplane now i'm not going to go out of my way to try to offend people right but if if my airplane my the big stick it has iron crosses on it or whatever you want to call those things they're not they're not they are actual world war one multi crosses yeah multi thank you insignia

[00:52:16] And maybe there are people out there that would be offended by seeing that but i don't care it's a them problem not a me problem just because it's on my airplane doesn't mean that that is my ideal what i'm saying i don't that's what's historically been on sticks though i mean right yeah like that but i'm just using that as an example i don't i feel no kind of way about any

[00:52:37] Of the markings that are on any of my airplanes other than they're correct they're correct for that

[00:52:42] Airplane that's that's what i'm concerned about and not illegal as in some well i guess in some areas of the world probably yeah you're not allowed to do that maybe they don't have the freedoms that we have here but yeah either way here in our country we can have the stuff on our airplanes and not be breaking any kind of laws yeah just i found that to be an interesting question

[00:53:09] Because like i said it never really crossed my mind it's a provocative question yeah evokes thought and

[00:53:14] Prove yeah but that's my opinion yeah mine too your mileage may vary i don't want to upset anybody but also i want my aircraft to be accurate yeah and i'm pretty sure like in scale competitions

[00:53:30] Like if you if you're into that sort of thing if your airplane doesn't have the correct markings on it you actually get points taken off because of that so from a modeling perspective i do not associate any emotion with markings that are on any of yeah i don't either airplanes

[00:53:51] Oh it's a lot harder to have a discussion when we're on the same page i guess well i mean yeah

[00:53:58] Then yeah that should be fairly telling i would say i own one aircraft with swastikas on it and

[00:54:05] Because they're correct so do i i've not flown it yet now i've got a lot of stuff yeah you need to process and iron crosses on it because it's world war one stuff but yeah the swastika i've only got the one airplane and yep and you're not about to take it off and i'm not going to take it off thank you it's the me 163 oh that's right the comment yeah we talked

[00:54:26] About that the rocket plane right out of my mind it likes to explode randomly yeah although it did put

[00:54:32] On a good show at joe noll that was awesome so anyway yeah it was a it was a good question it was definitely thought-provoking and i'm kind of wondering what brought it up well because he just bought the airplane well i he didn't tell you what happened so oh where he bought the airplane he bought it at his favorite place in champagne slot wing and i guess and it was done in jest right then nobody meant anything by it but i guess one of the folks that worked there as he was taking it out

[00:55:02] Made some comment oh reggie you better be careful where you take that airplane or who you show that airplane to or whatever just be just trying to be funny i think i'm pretty sure he didn't mean anything by it and then that got reggie to thinking and then he thought oh maybe i better talk to some people so okay no i didn't hear that story yeah so yeah i had no idea what brought it up yeah as he was carrying it out of the place he purchased it one of the employees was like hey made it made it just a silly little comment that got him thinking so okay that's well at least he's

[00:55:37] Thinking i guess yeah yeah i mean good good for him but i don't think he's in any danger of of offending anybody at least around here just don't take it to the holocaust survivor meeting

[00:55:48] Let's be honest that plane probably won't be around very long anyway i wasn't gonna say that

[00:55:54] It's yeah so if for those four of you who are still listening we would love to hear what you think let us know let us know yeah that's you just scared me blankly are we wrong are we right yeah i mean there probably is no right or wrong answer right but i would be interested in hearing other people's perspectives yeah so if you've got a perspective hit us up on discord you can also contact us via the contact us link on our web page on our website rcplanalab.com and then you

[00:56:28] Can also hit us up on facebook on our facebook page you can also call the phone number and leave a message which i can never remember that number 1-888 something no it's not dang it yes i'm not

[00:56:44] Going to say it because i there's two numbers in my head that are really close and one of them you should not be calling so i don't want to give the number out listen to the end of the program it

[00:56:53] Will be on there oh yeah oh good idea it is on the close so continue listening please

[00:56:59] Yeah i'd love to hear what you guys and gals if there's gals listening what you guys think

[00:57:04] About that topic okay well i think i'm all spent how about you guys sure i mean i guess i won't talk about preparing my nitro planes or have at it that's perfect no we can say no no no let's go

[00:57:16] Actually we talked about what i'm going to talk what do you got i'm talking right now talk now you're doing this talk about what you got and you need to do this while i'm talking zip it zip it so yeah we talked briefly about before we started recording whether we should remind folks that at least here in the midwest and the north that the winter is coming winter is coming time to start thinking about putting the airplanes away see i forgot because i don't have

[00:57:44] It written down like you do yeah see right here so good that's why i said do you have anything else

[00:57:48] I i think i think it would be more appropriate to talk about it perhaps on the next episode we'll we'll run down the checklist the end of season checklist that we like to talk about about this time every year because here in the midwest we don't get to fly year-round so

[00:58:04] Or it might be time to start putting floats on your planes or floats and snow work really well

[00:58:09] Yeah i heard that i was talking to somebody the other day that floats actually work better than

[00:58:13] Skis i've had a set of skis which i've misplaced i have an airplane that has all three

[00:58:17] Oh i don't float skis and regular i don't own skis my flying boat flies wonderfully off of snow

[00:58:23] You have a sea wind that would fly probably pretty well i think so too yeah so the only problem is when it's snowy out it's cold out and i don't like cold at this point that's true you you do not like

[00:58:34] Really cold weather i have a small window it's very small it's getting smaller 63.2 degrees that's

[00:58:40] Your window that's the low about 63.2 degrees is at any rate i think more appropriate to

[00:58:48] Talk on the next episode because i'm preparing all my nitro planes for hopefully one last flight

[00:58:53] Before the season's over well make a note because if you don't we're not going to talk about it i'm writing it down right now and then i guess we'll just leave that on the table oh look you're right you're writing and not even look at that and i can even read it i can read it

[00:59:10] Put your planes away oh that's not that'll be the reminder that's all the reminder i need that's all you need cool so we'll talk about that on the next episode well anything else hopefully i'll have something next time yeah no kidding dave well yeah now that you're now that your truck is up and running again you will have plenty of talk to talk about because well you can't buy anything new so you're

[00:59:31] Gonna have to fix the stuff you have oh yeah i have zero fundage oh yeah all that's it for me all my airplane money i made over the last winter selling stuff well gone yeah it happens but i do have a new purchase i really want to do and we'll talk about that i'll talk about that down the road okay

[00:59:52] Speaking of the decatur swap meet is coming up next month we must go to that yeah and i don't have to teach class somebody took my class oh good yay that's good i love that perhaps we can all go i think we should be sweet we'll take a big vehicle no i don't want to buy anything actually but i'm going to i don't want to we'll take the trailer god we better not need a trailer oh but

[01:00:13] You never know it's better daniel always takes his trailer i mean he i mean yes okay okay hey well speaking of that sorry sure no last line cool if we're going to go to the decatur swap meet do you think that would be the right venue to try to sell the beast or do you guys should wait for

[01:00:30] To go to toledo it needs to go to toledo i would agree with that copy that yeah i think decatur is i mean it's it's a great swap meet but i would it's more small things like it's not big airplanes

[01:00:43] Like that okay you're selling the beast though huh yeah it's like like we discussed i have reached i have found the limit the size limit for what i can reliably get in and out of my house without

[01:00:58] Damaging and the beast has surpassed that limit but see i think where we differ is you see that as you need to make your airplane smaller i see that as you need to make your storage area bigger

[01:01:12] Or your house bigger it's not the size of the house it's the exit it's that 90 degree turn at the top of the stairs degree turn at the top of the steps that's the killer okay like the double vision biplane is is about perfect well not perfect it's max like i can get it and make that turn without damaging the airplane relatively easy the beast i mean without lori helping me get it out of the house it is nearly impossible for me to get it out of that out of that area without banging the stab

[01:01:48] Against the wall or catching the gear on the handrail or we're hitting the prop on the door i mean it's just i love that i love that airplane but and it flies well you've seen it fly it flies great it does anyway yes i have made the difficult decision to i think i'm going to sell it so i don't think we need a trailer for two leaders to leto yeah well i mean i've already got plenty it'll fit in the traverse i can take the traverse up there yep we all have to have room

[01:02:22] Maybe i'll have a trailer by then too who knows we'll see i hope if you do awesome if not we'll figure it out if i don't then boo we'll borrow one there you go if we have to or daniel's coming

[01:02:32] I'm sure we can yeah we'll be dragging that blue thing all right in space we'll invite ourselves to use necessary well i won't need space coming home and you guys probably don't need space going there so it works out i'm gonna dump a bunch of stuff oh are you yeah oh that's unfortunate i don't want

[01:02:48] To but i gotta i i understand i was there last year yeah this is going to be a big year for getting

[01:02:54] Rid of some stuff for me too just to make more room for new i mean it's a it's a revolving door you don't know what you like until you get everything and try it and you keep what you like and the stuff

[01:03:03] That's it it's time to move on and you've discovered that you really like edfs oh my gosh that's stupid

[01:03:09] But yes but true i've got plans i haven't flown in five years it's time to go so do i but that

[01:03:16] Just means next year's goal should be fly everything i think i might do that i am actually nearly there

[01:03:21] This year yeah without without trying to do it well that was your last year goal wasn't it it was and i succeed you did it yeah but but like if i can if this weekend pans out and i can fly all my nitro stuff you're good i'll be there nice i will have flown everything that is flyable well i hope

[01:03:36] We can make it out this week me too okay that's it good i'm done good night good night good night

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