Ep 96: Toledo

[00:00:04] Hello everyone and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I’m Ron, I’m Tom. We are back from toledo, from toledo. So the original plan was to record in the, in the hotel in toledo, yeah, but

[00:00:22] You were still not a hundred percent well not only that voice wise I mean yeah not only that though.

[00:00:26] But I didn’t like the acoustics there. I mean like I could not believe how echoey that hotel room was. Yeah, it was. So we’re back. So we’re back. Let’s talk about toledo. Yeah, let’s talk about toledo.

[00:00:38] So I had a blast I mean I really did so first off Reggie did not make it yeah Reggie wasn’t able to.

[00:00:45] Make it, so I did. I did not have my semi to take anything back, but we did fine, like everything, I’m very proud of ourselves. Everything we bought fit in the back of your car. It did barely, yeah, I.

[00:00:57] Could not see out the back window for the trip home but yeah the final airplane had to be.

[00:01:03] Loaded from the front of the car because we couldn’t fit in the back. Yeah, but that’s okay, though it made it. Oh, it did I mean. And no damage. No about that. No, no, no, everything was packed.

[00:01:15] Beautifully and it just I mean it. We like I was packed it in incrementally like throughout the show. We go out and throw stuff in there and then have to go back out and kind of rearrange so we could throw more stuff in there. But yeah, and halfway through the first day we gave up and just started.

[00:01:30] Throwing stuff in the front seats too, so we didn’t have to do it every time we made a trip out, right? But yeah, so let’s talk about the show as a whole, right? So Reggie, Reggie wasn’t able to come.

[00:01:43] We did run into brian oh I forgot about that yeah from dynamic ball so we saw him the first day.

[00:01:47] Yep and then dave and his brother made it up yep so we had a nice little group of us that were.

[00:01:53] Able to go around and stuff I enjoyed that yeah we had a really cool dinner with dave and his.

[00:01:57] Brother. So that was nice. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yep, but the show, the show so well, the swap meet, I was gonna say we’ve never been to, okay, we’ve never been to the toledo show, swap meet, whatever, before right, so I didn’t have anything to compare it to. Yeah, I didn’t either. Well, go ahead. Well, I was gonna say I was happy. Yeah, like I was ecstatic with the way things turned out. I thought it was a very good show. There was something there for everybody. There were a lot of people, though, that weren’t happy.

[00:02:24] About comparing it to previous years, yeah, and so I wanted to talk a little bit about that. So I overheard a few of the of the long timers- yeah, I’ll say long timers instead of the other timers- and they kept comparing it to the, the expo that it used to be the toledo model expo or whatever it was called, and so if you go to this show with that sort of mindset,

[00:02:56] You’re? You’re kind of setting yourself up for some disappointment. Yeah, honestly yeah. But let’s be honest, it’s not an expo anymore, right, it’s a swap meet. That also happens to have some vendors there, and that was the mindset I went with and I was not disappointed. Well, that’s kind.

[00:03:16] Of what it was billed as too. I mean, it wasn’t billed as a big expo, it was billed as a swap meet with some vendors, yep. So they, they did a good, a good job of setting the expectations for what it was going to be. I feel like they did, yeah, but having nothing to compare it to in the in the history of

[00:03:32] What it was, I think, made it better for us, yeah, so. So I do have a little bit of a like. I can compare it to the, to the old richter or the urcha or whatever you want to call it. The chicago model and hobby expo back in the day. Yeah, that was a huge, huge show and that’s what it was. It was a show and an expo for manufacturers and distributors to show off their wares. So I have that to compare it to, but I didn’t. So I know what that show is, yeah, and I know what a swap meet is, so I didn’t.

[00:04:03] Like, even though I have that, that experience with a, with an expo, I didn’t have that as my on my list of expectations that I needed to meet or not meet when I went to the toledo swap meet- right what I’m saying. So I wasn’t disappointed like I actually I thought

[00:04:23] It was a really good swap meet. All right, I thought it was good too. There’s a lot of airplanes there, I would say okay. So there was two big rooms huge that were set up for well, technically there were.

[00:04:35] Three because the very back one I’m sorry go ahead no that’s okay I was just gonna say there.

[00:04:39] Were two big rooms that were set up as with tables right, and then the back big room was set up as an indoor fun fly right, so you could take whatever you wanted back there and fly. Of those two big rooms, I would say probably a quarter of the first room, so an eighth or so of the whole entire thing was vendors. Would you agree? Give or take size wise? Yeah, I mean more or less there was.

[00:05:10] Like I, I didn’t count the number of tables. Like I, I should have probably to compare that to, yeah, how they advertised it. But yeah, I would say that first third of the venue, let’s say, was probably half, I would say, full of vendors, because there was quite a few vendors there. Oh, there were, yeah, resellers. I should say yeah, but I would. I would say that first third was about half full instead of a.

[00:05:36] Quarter full okay do what I’m saying a little bit more than yeah because when.

[00:05:40] You’re watching the show. The first, the first third of the venue was the vendors, and then the second third of the venue was nothing but swap meet, and then that third was the flying venue. Oh I.

[00:05:54] Wasn’t even talking about square footage of the flying venue. I was just talking about in those two rooms, oh, about a quarter of the first room, absolutely okay. Yeah, I think, like, did you have a favorite table? Did you have a favorite person that was there selling stuff? No, I mean there was. I would say I had.

[00:06:12] Few favorites. Okay, like I, like the, the, the guy that had bought out a hobby, yes, and had all of the hardware and all that stuff just dumped into tables. I loved that. Spending literally hours going through these tables multiple times. Yeah, I mean, we went on both days and bought stuff from him for all the.

[00:06:34] Treasures and what I liked about it. So there are old hobby shop prices and new hobby shop prices. What he had bought, it seemed like, was an old hobby shop that went out of business. Yeah, well, that’s exactly what he bought, that’s what he told us. Well, but I’m buying an old one, like, not like. Oh, I got one that had a whole bunch of current stock and so he was in the car so he had no interest in keeping any of the RC airplane stuff. So these were literally, I would say, probably eight tables, if not more.

[00:07:04] The way it was all the way around. The way it was set up was at least eight tables. Yeah, just stuff in the tables like they were. So the tables were built up with two by fours- like yeah, exactly it was it- two by four frames sitting on top of the table. Each one of those tables was full and there were boxes underneath the table, so I didn’t make it through all the boxes I probably should have. I hit most of

[00:07:24] Them, did you? Yeah, like I just I got to the point where I was just out of time. I mean, like we, we had other things that we had to do, but the thing that was nice about him, so it had the old prices listed on it and he was selling everything for half price. So I feel as though we got a really good deal. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I think my best deal, though, that I got from him is that’s where I got my sanding block. Oh yeah, brand new, brand new, still in the package- great plain sanding block. The aluminum extrusion, yep, that you can’t find anywhere, anywhere toward one. Now we’re talking about the

[00:07:59] One that the contoured handle just the t-bar but this is their contoured yeah the really nice.

[00:08:03] Ones that yeah, yeah, but the flat bottom it wasn’t a contoured sanding area, it was flat, right. But anyway, three dollars and fifty cents, I mean I almost felt bad. Well, he knew it. I mean like he knew everything that was in there. But he did. I mean, like I said he was a very nice guy. Oh, we had, we got a good rapport with him. By the time we went back and forth, yep, like four times and made four different purchases.

[00:08:30] From him. Yeah, and I feel like, like, in addition to the sanding bar, I feel like the best deal I got. He had a, a robart air kit for retractable pneumatic retractable landing gear. Oh, he had an air control kit with it that robart sold back in the day. I think it was like 79.99, Something like that, and it had been marked down to 29.99, I believe. So I got it for 15 bucks. Wow, and me, I’m old school. I still use pneumatic retractable gear, so that’ll get put to use for sure, so, yeah,

[00:09:02] I feel like, of all the stuff that he had, that was probably the best deal I got, but I mean they were all good deals. Yeah, we got the fiberglass. He had packages of fiberglass. I forgot about that coverall he had. I mean these are very expensive items that we got. I feel like a really good.

[00:09:18] Deal on yeah and so see I wanted to try that too because I’ve never done anything with coverall right I think.

[00:09:23] That would be fun to try it is well that’s on what’s on my that’s what’s on my camel half on my.

[00:09:30] Camel. I guess I should say, well, stop with camel I. But having not done it, that’s a perfect price to get into it, because absolutely I don’t care if I mess something up. That’s exactly right. It’ll be a good learning experience. And then he had like that’s also. We bought a couple kits. We bought the SIG wonder from him. Each of us- yes, each of us- got our own SIG wonder we’re going to be putting together sometime. And then he also sold new and package. I guess he’s a hardware guy, so he had a bunch.

[00:09:57] Of hardware out there. You want to plug him, yeah. Yeah, so his name is mike kirby and I’m assuming amberley, that’s probably his wife. They run k and k hardware, team k and k hardware. It’s actually team k and k hardwarecom. Give him a shout. I mean he does cars mostly, yeah, but like you said, he’s got. He’s got a really, really good hardware, a selection of hardware too. So we use hardware.

[00:10:23] On airplanes so what I liked about him in business was just he was a very nice guy oh yeah he was.

[00:10:28] Awesome to talk to and he actually had a sense of humor, which is really cool. Like we were family by the end. Yeah, but he wouldn’t. He wouldn’t get all kind of mad if you said, hey, would you take this for it? Yeah, he always seemed like he always had a really great yeah response ready. So, hey, my kids are going to college or whatever. I mean it’s always so yeah, yeah, no good guy, though. I enjoyed. So, mike, if you’re listening, thanks for all the all the great deals. Hopefully we’ll we’ll see again next year. If we go again next year, if all right, I’m hoping we do, but I was gonna say I mean, it’s definitely

[00:10:59] I mean it was a great show and I would definitely be interested in going again because I had a great.

[00:11:04] Time we will have to fill a car again next year so start saving now we’ll have to get rid of some.

[00:11:11] Stuff I think I think I bought enough stuff for the next well I’m not gonna I don’t think you did.

[00:11:17] I think you’re gonna get through that pretty quick. You think I do, but we’ll talk about. We’ll talk about what we got, but I don’t think you got as much as you think you got for the long run. What did? What did you think of the attendance? Curious once again, having heard from people that have been there before and how it used to take you an hour to get down one aisle because it was just back to back and running into people. I didn’t have that. That at all. I mean I thought it was.

[00:11:46] There was plenty of room to walk around. Yeah, like I did not feel claustrophobic, I did not feel like there was too many people around me at any time, right, except there was a little bit of extra people around his tables when we were going through them. That was kind of a pain at times, yeah, but really so did I think I saw. Well, okay, now I’m trying to remember so on our tickets because remember I pointed that out, yeah, we had the ticket number on tickets. When we got there on friday, I think I had like ticket number 42, and sunday, when we got tickets, it was only in the 700 and

[00:12:23] Some right 750 something I thought yeah so just over 700 people or people had attended right so.

[00:12:28] If you assume that each ticket was sold sequentially and each one was numbered, you could sort of ours, ours were back to back, right they were, so I would assume they were sequentially done then. So, yeah, you could, you could kind of- probably not counting the, the vendors and the people who had bought tables- true, yeah, because they all got tickets. So probably somewhere in the vicinity of

[00:12:52] 700 And something, and that’s that’s paid tickets. So women and children don’t count, it’s just the adult males that have to pay to get in, which makes sense actually to me, and I’m trying to think like:

[00:13:06] I didn’t see a lot of well, actually, I did see a surprising number of women, yeah, but I didn’t see a lot of kids. Honestly, there was a few, but not, yeah, it wasn’t overwhelming. Maybe we would have expected, but of course, there were lots of men in my demographic, older and older than that, even, yeah, and old, right, but so, yeah, the attendance- there were times, especially on friday, friday was definitely, I would say, busier than saturday, yeah, which surprised me. Yeah, me too, like I was

[00:13:40] I was hoping more people were going to be showing up saturday right, which is why we went both days right and I was planning on spending more time there saturday because I was thinking there was going to be more people, more planes, more things going on where they couldn’t get off on a friday.

[00:13:56] Or something like that, and there wasn’t. So there was a couple of new tables. Yeah, not many, but not nearly as many as I was hoping for. So the turnout on saturday didn’t seem to be as robust as friday, I agree, but there were times on friday- and not just around mike’s booth but at some of the tables, the swap tables. It did get congested in a few areas on friday. Excuse me, but

[00:14:28] Yeah, saturday I had, I had no problems walking wherever I needed to go and we didn’t stay very long. Exactly saturday we didn’t stay for the, for the auction, so maybe, hopefully, the

[00:14:39] Attendance picked up for the auction yeah we ended up gosh what we left by 10 didn’t we were we out of.

[00:14:44] There by about it was. It was: yeah, yeah, because I think we were on the road before 11, yeah, local time. So, yeah, yes, so we left kind of kind of early, but honestly, we didn’t have any more room for.

[00:14:59] No, I was gonna say I felt like we had loaded up enough stuff and there wasn’t anything else that I felt like I wanted to bring home and didn’t. So that’s just my thoughts, right, yeah, and

[00:15:13] I feel the same way. I don’t feel like I don’t feel like staying longer on saturday would have yielded anything more that I that I didn’t already buy. Well, plus, I was broke by then. So, yeah, well, I made sure I spent my last dollar. You did as we were leaving. You did- you actually did- better than I did.

[00:15:32] I came home with a little bit of money, not a lot, but I did not spend every dollar. I took you, however, I did you well, you, you went to the atm the second day before we left. So, yeah, I had, I had a plan.

[00:15:45] Right, I went with a certain amount of cash ready to go and like in my pocket and then laurie and I had talked beforehand before I left and we agreed that I had a certain cushion available should I need it, and I dipped into that cushion a little bit, but not a lot, but the cash that. Yeah, I had zero dollars and zero cents in my pockets when we left, which is how I wanted to leave.

[00:16:11] I mean that’s perfect. Yeah, I mean that was right at the end. Yeah, so what? What did you buy? This is the fun part, like this is. This is why you go to these things: for the treasures you don’t know.

[00:16:22] You’re gonna find: well, there’s that, yeah, and let just let me preface like it. In no way am I bragging, like I don’t want it to come across as: oh, I got this, I got this, it’s just stuff that was interesting.

[00:16:34] To me so I bought it right yeah and I don’t want to yeah I never thought about coming off that way.

[00:16:39] That is not this at all. So yeah, I bought a little blue plane. I’m not exactly sure what it is. It looks very similar to a great plains fun one to me, but it’s much older and the reason I bought it was because it has a webra. I’m into engines. It has a webra speed 50 on it which looked like it was really like cherry, like really good condition, and that could not beat the price. I got it for 45, ready to fly. It’s a. It’s a good looking airplane, has that engine on it and, of course, the

[00:17:09] Servos are old and stuff. I’ll probably be pulling those out, but I mean some fresh servos and a receiver and a fresh battery and I’ve got a plane ready to fly with an awesome.

[00:17:19] Engine on it and that is a really, really cool looking airplane. It is like it’s one of those that’s so ugly, it’s cool, it’s not ugly. You have to admit it’s not like the prettiest of airplanes, well I know. But I mean it’s so ugly, it’s cool, it’s yeah okay, it’s so different, maybe different.

[00:17:34] Is better. Yeah, it is different and that’s what attracted us both to it, like because it caught both of our attention, I think about same time. And then you saw the nitro motor and you were immediately turned off. I was, but then of course that turned me on. But yeah, it is, it’s different. But, like I said, it looks like an old great plains fun one. But this is a much older design, almost like maybe a blue max 2 or, but it wasn’t that either. I mean, we looked that up, so I don’t, I don’t know what it was at all. I’ll do some digging one of these days and find it, but it was. It was one of

[00:18:05] Those things to where, like I thought maybe we were going to do another. Like I was excited at first to do another switch like you buy the motor and I buy the airframe off of you, yeah, but the more I got thinking about it, I’m glad you kind of pushed me away from that or we decided against that, because, as fun as that would be, that’s just more of a pain to try and convert another one that I don’t need right. So I will be very excited to see that fly. Yeah, under the power that was on it when you got.

[00:18:32] It. Oh yeah, I’ve decided, I’ve got. I do actually have the motor pulled off of it already, just kind of going through it and cleaning it, just making sure everything the bearings are good and all that. It has great compression, yeah. So yeah, I’m gonna put it right back on with the exhaust. It had a tuned pipe on it which really got me, I know right, I mean, yeah, that’s a good deal. Yeah, I think so. So yeah, I’m gonna. I’m gonna fly that airplane with that engine. I’ll update the electronics and hopefully fly that one soon. That’s on my on my list of stuff to fly this.

[00:19:02] Summer because it’s a flyable airplane, right? Oh, absolutely. I mean you’ll probably need a new battery for it. Yeah, yeah, just to be safe. I’ll definitely be ordering some of those off of amazon.

[00:19:12] Some of those. Well, I mean I’ve got more than one, more than yeah, okay, so surprisingly, that’s the only airplane I bought that was like already built, like everything. All the other five airplanes that I bought are still in boxes, which I that’s fine. I like that sort of thing. So first one is got this one from mike- got a great deal on it- a balsa usa phaeton or phaeton 90 biplane kit. You and your biplanes. I love biplanes. I know this kit is mint like, still sealed in the box from balsa.

[00:19:46] Usa. Yeah, I mean original tape, so it has not been open. I’m super excited about that. I may that may have to get bumped up on the, on the maybe next year, right, maybe next winter. I mean right exactly after one of the airplane, one of the other airplanes that you already mentioned, that we bought the SIG wonder. We each got a SIG wonder kit also from mike at kk hardware, but these we’ve decided we’re gonna sort of maybe hopefully do another build together thing, kind of like what we

[00:20:17] Did with the duelists and then combat these things. I think that would be fun. I’m gonna go nitro, obviously, and you’ll probably go electric, obviously, yeah, and we’re gonna try to crash into.

[00:20:27] Each other with these things. So I think the neat thing about this is so the stuff we got here at the swap meet is not what I normally would get. I mean, like I kind of took myself out of the comfort zone of our normal type of airplanes and I think that is what’s exciting, did you? I can’t wait to get into.

[00:20:46] Your list because, yeah, what you just said, sure, absolutely yeah. So let me just quickly get through my list here so you can- that’s fine, take your time. Also bought a seagull molly super rocket- that’s gonna be awesome, which is really neat airplane because it’s a- it’s a stole- short takeoff and landing airplane with flaps and all this cool stuff. So that’s I’m excited about that.

[00:21:08] One too I think of all the stuff you bought that is my favorite thing yeah I really do yeah well and.

[00:21:13] Then in the in the hotel room friday night we took it out of the box and checked it out I was.

[00:21:17] Like man, this is really cool. Our health, or oh hell tell. No, our hotel room was completely like, it was awesome. I don’t know how many airplanes we- well, we have like three or four in there at once- and it was, yeah, awesome. Yeah, no place to sit down, which made it, which is fine, I wasn’t complaining, no, and then

[00:21:33] So one of the other ones is a phoenix models fun star, which is this kind of a fun fly airplane, and this is the one that I bought, like on the way out of the show, spent my last dollar. That’s a clear one, right? Yeah, okay, it’s transparent. So. So I got that. And then, yeah, the SIG wonder. And then so one of the ones I was most excited about when I found- in fact I think this was my first purchase, actually, when we got there it was- I happened across one of the tables that had a brand new in the box: great plains big stick 40 ARF, their first version of the ARF. So they’ve done the big.

[00:22:10] Stick ARF in three different versions I believe. First they did a 40 size and they called it a pre-built kit- actually it wasn’t actually called an ARF. And then the second version. They did a 40 and a 60 size and that was an ARF and it was actually covered in monaco. So the version I have is their very first, the original pre-built kit. Pre-built kit, okay, came in two color schemes back then. One was ugly, one was not ugly, traditional red and white with the iron cross, and then the other one was some other.

[00:22:42] Abomination. Thankfully this one is the red one, yeah, the traditional, so really excited about that and we’ll. We’ll get to why I’m excited about that here in a little bit. And then, yeah, I bought a bunch of hardware from and other various stuff from mike and about servos from same guy you bought servos from. You’re going to talk about that. And then I got receivers and, surprisingly, being a nitro guy, I only came home with one nitro engine and you didn’t, and that was on an airplane, so it’s not like it was a

[00:23:13] Separate purchase of an engine. Yep, although that is the reason I bought that airplane. So I mean, if it had just a some other non-desirable yeah engine, to me it probably would have, I probably.

[00:23:28] Would have bought it anyway. But I was gonna say for that price I probably would have bought it and then, given you said throw, I should have not bought it. Then well, I’m glad I did, I the motors.

[00:23:38] Don’t mean much to me, but there were. There were a lot of engines there. Oh, there were. A ton there was. There was a lot of gas engines, there was a lot of nitro engines, there was a lot of electric motors, a lot of power systems there, but, to be honest, a lot of the nitro engines that were there were either out of my price range- for the ones that I was really interested in, yeah- or they were ones that I already have. So there wasn’t. There wasn’t a lot of. There was some stuff there that really got me jazzed up, like there was a guy there that had a, an os ft 240, which is their four cylinder.

[00:24:14] I remember, yeah, they had been converted to gas and ignition, which looked really cool. I was afraid to ask the price so I didn’t. Yeah, so, but that was really neat. There was a guy there that had a, a laser v twin. It was a 200 v twin, brand new in the box, beautiful, beautiful engine, but it was out of outside my comfort zone, I should say. But that one, that engine actually did sell, because I walked by his table several times and eventually it was gone. Yeah, there was a little empty spot there.

[00:24:47] Where it was sitting. So somebody got themselves a really, really sweet v twin. What else was there that I was? Oh, there was a guy- I think it was the same guy that had the laser- had a sato 150 golden knight converted to. I believe it was on ignition like an like an old glow motor converted to ignition. So it’s not the new fg, I guess that’d be the fg30. But this was actually the 150 glow converted, but it was a golden knight, which you can’t get golden knights anymore. So I was a little

[00:25:19] Excited about that, but, again, more than I wanted to spend, and I think by that time I had already spent- spent a fair amount, yeah. So, but yeah, I didn’t come home with any engines, except for the one that was on that little plane, which was surprising to me and to me retrospect, because I’m such a huge fan of those things. But what does that say about my collection? I guess if I, if you, already had everything, I wasn’t not interested because I already had them. So, anyway, that’s that’s what I came home with. What about you? Well, I, I, I bought a few things. You.

[00:25:52] Did but more than a few things well and I’m not going to go over everything because there’s a lot of.

[00:25:58] Just little things, hardware and stuff that it’s just it’s time to rebuild the stock on things we are out of and we found a lot of kind of good deals, I think, on that kind of stuff.

[00:26:12] Servo horns micro fasteners was there with the hardware selection, so you bought quite a bit of stuff from there too. Yeah, it’s surprising how quickly that stuff adds up, even though it’s a really good deal- and they did have really good deals there. But it’s surprising, when you get right down to it, how much that, when you look at this, four pounds of steel that’s in your

[00:26:36] Hand and like all right that’ll be 75 bucks and you’re like oh ouch okay but that’s fine but it’s.

[00:26:42] It’s enough to it’s enough to last you for a good long time and you won’t oh yeah that again.

[00:26:47] I should be fine for many, many moons. Yeah, and so I actually did come home with a couple motors- I have no clue why- because they were such a good deal you couldn’t just let them go. That’s exactly what it was like. I have no use for them yet, maybe one day, but I have no plans. I mean, like you said, they might be good for a cub, or like quarter scale cub or third scale cub, maybe, yeah, maybe. I mean we’ll see, and I would like to do a big cub sometimes, so that might be good for that. But anyway, so I got two.

[00:27:23] And more about these than I do they’re 41 cc cheetah engines which yeah what is I mean.

[00:27:31] That? What is that? So the cheetahs were from? From what I understand, I’ve never owned one, right, they’re gassers, obviously, make a deal on one. They’re not nitro, but they are a, a magneto ignition, two-stroke, obviously gas engine that were assembled from parts of various other brands of weed eater engines, like a frankenstein. Well, they look to me, they look very quadra ish. Okay so, but

[00:28:04] They like. So let’s take a da 50, for example. Da 50s- they’re all machined for the most part in-house by da, like the crank case, that’s, that’s all da. Or somebody contracted by da to machine it right of their design, of their own design, exactly. So this cheetah engine is basically a crank case that might be kiritz, and then it’s a piston and connecting rod that might be a zenoa, and then it’s a. It’s a. It’s a head assembly, or the jug that might be pulan, or whatever. It was just a.

[00:28:41] Conglomeration of parts that just happened to work really well together. So we was overheard a couple of times. Oh well, this it may not produce, it’s good for I think I heard somebody say: oh, it’s a good for a boat anchor or whatever like that, but they actually run pretty good. Yeah, now, granted, they don’t make the power, maybe, of a da or a dle or whatever, but for what they are like if you’re especially like if you’re going to do like a world war one which I know you’re not into, but these are perfect for that, because they’re kind of heavy, because they have the big magneto.

[00:29:14] Instead of the electronic ignition to mount on a short coupled biplane or a monoplane or even some kind of sport plane, like maybe a cub that has a short nose moment where you need a lot of weight up front to get it down. These are perfect for that and they produce a enough, a reasonable amount of power and I think for what you paid for these, yeah, I don’t think I mean if you.

[00:29:38] Didn’t buy them, I would have. Yeah, I don’t think I did bad on it and what I what I like. So it does have the magneto on it, which means no extra battery, exactly, which means no extra worrying about. Did I charge it? I mean it’s just, it seems simple to me. Yeah, like I don’t have to charge a battery to run my weed eater, nope, so why would I want to do that exactly for that kind of money? Now, I understand, like if I’m doing a 50 cc yak or something like that, that’s not what it’s for. No, I get it, yep, and it won’t be used on something like that exactly. But when it comes to, like I said, maybe a cub, maybe even like

[00:30:14] A big stick like a scratch built big stick or something like that would be absolutely perfect. That would be fun to do and we could get a pretty good size wingspan out of that too.

[00:30:24] And you have the benefit. One of them has what they call the jump start. Yeah, that little cheater starter, yeah, so pretty clever little. I had never actually seen one of those before. I’ve heard about them, but I’ve never seen. But it’s pretty slick how it works. You just it’s a battery holder, you plug some batteries in it and it’s got a little jack that you’ll run to the ignition and it boosts the ignition to make them easy to start, which is, yeah, pretty slick. Well, and then, once it’s running, you.

[00:30:47] Pull it off and off you go I would like to try running those sometime I think I have the right.

[00:30:50] Size propellers so they’re like 41 cc’s are probably going to be well the 30 yeah 18 to 20 probably like a.

[00:30:58] 20 By 8 or 20 by 6 probably, or I think I have some 18s maybe. Yeah, we’ll have to try, just run them maybe this summer and see what they’re like, yeah, see if they’re any good. So anyway, I came home with a, a couple of those, more engines than I did, that is true. Like I said, lots of, lots of research, lots of hardware. Now you pointed out to me and I: okay. So I want, I want to tell the story and correct me if I’m wrong because I might have misread the whole situation. Okay, you came up to me and said: hey, there’s a guy over here that has some receivers. He has an ar or an ar 8 000. He’s asking:

[00:31:36] 40 Bucks for 45- 45. Sorry, now I thought you were coming up to me to say, hey, I know you need receivers. Go look at that. Is that because you gave me hell after I bought all these? So half seriously.

[00:31:58] I was going to buy the seven channel that he had there, for I think it was 40, because, yeah, it was 40 for the seven and then 45 for the air. And you’re right, you, we had even talked about receivers before we went. You said- and I think we both made the comment on one of the other episodes- we’re not really too keen on buying used receivers, that at a swap meet, yeah. But this guy had apparently worked for or with or whatever horizon so, and he was willing to let me bind them up to my transmitter.

[00:32:32] Right there at the show to make sure they work. So that tells me these are probably okay and at the prices he was asking. I was willing to take the risk and if they’re bad, okay, I send them to spectrum and get them, get them, but anyway. So my plan was I was going to buy the 7 000, the ar 7 000- for me 40 bucks or whatever it was. And then, yes, I was getting your attention for the a channel, because I know you have- and he had a bunch of other ones there too- what I was not expecting you to do.

[00:33:00] Was to come over and buy everything he had when. Okay, when I, when I went up to talk to him, he had a total of 10 out 10 receivers and there were five channels, six channels, seven channel and one eight channel. There were two ar seven thousands, one ar 8 000 and then I think two AS3X six channels and regular six channels and then a couple five channels. I didn’t like, when I’m starting to go through in my mind it’s like: okay, so if I buy each one of these separately it’s going to add up a lot. So I just

[00:33:31] Ask him what would you take for the whole thing and his number was very low it was extremely low and.

[00:33:37] I don’t fault you one bit for buying all of them I really don’t once again knowing that a we can.

[00:33:46] Check them and b I can send them into horizon and have them look over and figure out if there’s anything wrong with them. So which we did check them all and they were all fine. Oh yeah, that was the first night after we got in the hotel room. Yeah, every servo we bought came out of the package and got hooked up to those to check and each one of those got binded to your or bound to your receiver and or your transmitter, and they all, they all, worked fine. What I kind of was okay with is- and it could have just been a story, whatever, but

[00:34:18] He wasn’t selling a bunch of them like new in a package right for a very good price. These were ones that obviously were taking out of a, out of an airplane. So I didn’t. I didn’t feel like they were counterfeit. No, in that regard, yep, he said that he doesn’t fly spectrum and whatever. It was all the stuff that he kind of got, or however he came across, him that came out and his other- I think he was Futaba, maybe Futaba or jetty, I forget which. Yeah, it doesn’t matter, but he had his own stuff right, that which makes sense if I bought a bunch of stuff and it didn’t have the right stuff.

[00:34:52] That I liked in it the right radio gear. I would pull it out and then try and get a few bucks out of it. Yeah, try to recoup your investment. So I ended up buying 10 from him and that buying three more spectrum, just parkfire receivers, for really cheap and then, okay, we are gonna try, because I’ve never

[00:35:12] Had one before the lemon rx, yeah, so there was, there was a. There was a guy there that had what was? It looked to me like a like an utz, like cheese ball container, if you’re familiar with those, and it was full of these little caseless six channel lemon receivers- there’s no case on them, where they’re just a board with the pins and antennas. I think they were ten dollars a piece, yeah, and they were new in the package. Yep, so for ten dollars, yeah, I’ll take a, I’ll take a chance on a little foamy.

[00:35:43] Or an airplane that I’m not really invested in and I’ll try it yeah and then you go.

[00:35:48] Ahead. So I ended up getting another one that was fifteen dollars and that was a six channel with a satellite, because it’s 15 bucks. So I will, I will, I will try it. I mean, yeah, you don’t know until you try something, yeah, and then there was another guy there that had- apparently he was a dealer because he had a bunch of the 10 channel lemon rx’s for 30 bucks a piece. I don’t know if that was a good deal or not, but what, I think it’s worth trying one on something, just to kind of see.

[00:36:21] How it works I’m not going to do it on anything that’s well what maybe I should because.

[00:36:27] It’s well. So here’s the thing. So, like everybody I have- and I mean everybody, which is not a lot of people, but everybody I’ve talked to- about lemon receivers- I have yet to hear anybody say, yeah, don’t buy that, do what I mean I do. But when I talk to people about orange receivers, occasionally there’s one in there that says, yeah, I lost a plane because of that and you’re that one and I’m one of them. Yeah, but I’ve heard that from other folks, so it seems like

[00:36:58] It seems like the lemon is a worthwhile risk yeah I’ll just leave it at that depending on the plane.

[00:37:04] For right now yeah and I agree so that’s what I did for receivers like I said I ended up I.

[00:37:11] Think coming on with 16 new receivers so I am that’s one six everybody one six 16 new receivers 16 receivers.

[00:37:18] So you did need receivers. I was, I was out. I mean like, yes, I knew going, like my plan was to make another trip up to brian’s after this and buy receivers. But I don’t have to now because I bought a bunch of receivers, because I’ve got a bunch of airplanes that need them still, including the ones I bought here. Actually, one of the things I found too, I’m supposed to be getting an escapade from Reggie, and it was one that had a nitro motor on it and everything I lucked out for five bucks.

[00:37:52] I found a new cowl. So if I end up getting it from him- which I don’t know why I wouldn’t- I haven’t yet, which is why I’m saying if, if I get it from him, I have a new cowl to make it into an electric and I don’t have to worry about it. Yep, so what did I come home with? And this is where it’s kind of fun. As I said before, we got the SIG wonder kit we’re going to put together. I ended up with a goldberg extra 300 that’s already been converted to electric. Only problem with that is it takes a six cell battery and I don’t have any yet. Well, I’m going to figure out what I’m doing with that before long. And you seem to.

[00:38:28] Not be excited about that airplane now unfortunately I think it’s beautiful it is it’s a nice looking.

[00:38:33] Airplane. When it comes to these sport type airplanes like that, my heart is for some reason yak the extras. Just they don’t. I mean they’re a good looking airplane but they just aren’t a great looking airplane to me. I mean, do yeah, everybody has the thing they like. I understand, and when two things are next to each other, I’m always going to go for the yak over something else, like the 50 cc yak you have. If you were going to keep that, I should say that I have because I bought it off of you, right? But if you were going to keep 150 cc airplane, you kept the yak and you were selling the.

[00:39:08] S-bock. I would not have bought it for the same price. It’s just it doesn’t do it for me. They’re nice looking airplanes. I like s-box more than extras, but I still think the yak is the best looking involved, completely understand anyway. So I got that. And then I got a thunder tiger Cloud Dancer, which has already been converted to electric. Also, it’s just like yours, but bigger. Now, this is the

[00:39:28] Thunder tiger Cloud Dancer that was an arv yeah based on the original ace Cloud Dancer yeah so.

[00:39:35] Thunder tiger made both 60 size and 40 size arvs, and this is the 40 size version, which is perfect, because they said they flew it on a three-cell LiPo, which, guess what? I already have plenty of them and that’s. That’s going to be a fun airplane. I’ve not flown that yet. I also came home with- I don’t like saying the name on this one. It just sounds so weird, but it is such a cool airplane. So flight work is the, the manufacturer of it, and it’s called the shiny. And it’s called that because

[00:40:06] From the factory. It came with lights inside the airframe. Yeah, I have never owned an airplane that was lit from inside or lit at all with leds, so that I am- yeah, I want more, yeah, like I really.

[00:40:21] Enjoy. It’s cool that airplane- yeah, like I want one of those. So if there’s one left, I think it’s there. It’s an older airplane that don’t make them anymore- not that old, by the way, like 2016, so five or six years old. But then I found one in stock at a place in belgium, but I can’t afford the shipping to get it here. So, if anybody, the shipping is three times more than I paid for the airplane, by the way, it really is, and that’s fully done, ready to go. Oh yeah, I just had my gear. Yep, so it’s a very

[00:40:49] Cool. I mean radio gear, so it had servos, had speed controller, had the motor and all that stuff. So yeah, yeah, but yeah, like you’re gonna say, if anybody has one, they want to get rid of flight work. Shiny Tom wants, yeah, I would love to reach out. I think they’re really cool, they are awesome. Well, you flew it too, so we’ll get that a little bit and then okay. So I get so confused with timing. So last week- now from when this comes out- we had jim was one of our guests that was on.

[00:41:21] He talked a lot about soaring and gliders and that kind of stuff. I had never heard of steven’s arrow before, but I ended up coming home with a steven’s area or steven’s arrow, he mg2, which the he stands for helium, I guess, just because it’s supposed to be lighter than air, perhaps. Anyway, it’s actually a cool four channel, I guess technically, but it’s got a, an air brake, which I don’t like. I’ve got to learn how to use that. But so it’s just rudder and elevator. There’s no.

[00:41:55] Ailerons and it’s powered glider. Yeah, so if you don’t know what it looks like, it’s a powered glider. I mean, I don’t know really how else to describe it. I mean, if, what a goldberg.

[00:42:06] Gentle lady looks like it’s like that with a motor in the front kind of sort of yeah it’s like the.

[00:42:11] Wing, instead of being like a gradual taper, is just it has- well, no, it just has dihedral on just the wing tips. Like what is that about the last 14 inches, maybe 15 inches, of each wing tips? Yeah, goes up at a 15, 20 degree angle, I don’t know. The main part of the wing is flat and then the cool part is the wing tips are only held on by magnets and then a small, not wing tube, but a

[00:42:41] Small spar that goes between the two of them dihedral brace and it magnetically holds on it comes.

[00:42:48] Off and on very easily, easy to store very. It’s a really cool. It’s a very small for the, for the wingspan, for the size of the actual airplane. It’s very small right, I’m I’m very excited about so.

[00:43:00] Yeah jim put a bug in our ear about soaring so now we have some airplanes to or while you have.

[00:43:07] Some airplanes to soar with. It’s funny how you say that: oh, we’ll bring that up later. You forgot when we talked about our number. You forgot an airplane. I did, but anyway. So the last airplane I came home with is another one I have wanted for a very, very long time, because they are so ugly yet cool looking. It’s a lazy bee, but I don’t know what it is, so we can’t really place the manufacturer. Yeah, no square windows. Yeah, and it’s a like when you look at it, the windows are molded in.

[00:43:41] So it’s not like this is just something to, where somebody made it but changed the design of it, like it’s a molded window and the actual formers look like they’re die cut. Yeah, so it looks like a kit- or I don’t necessarily think ARF, but it looks like a kit to me the way it’s been put together.

[00:43:59] But it has square windows, which the traditional lazy bee. If you look at every one of them- at least that I saw online- they all have round windows, yeah, so if you have any clue on what that would be,

[00:44:09] Reach out and let us know, because I’m curious. But it already is electric. It’s got a big axi haxi motor on it, which is awesome. It has been crashed, but not bad. It’s an easy fix, easily fixable. Yep, I will probably tear into it farther than I have to, only because when you look underneath the way they balanced it, is they literally epoxied bolts and washers like big, like half.

[00:44:40] Inch bolts that are three or four inches long underneath the firewall. So that’s going to have to all come out and be redone. But that’s easy. I mean that’s not all that big of a deal, yeah. So yeah, I mean I’m super excited about the, the stuff we came home with, and there’s a lot more, but we’re not getting into the boring part of describing every single little bits and pieces.

[00:45:00] But yeah, it was all in all it was a very enjoyable trip. I have found that anything that I could have wanted was there. Yeah, what I mean? Like it wasn’t, I didn’t come home thinking, man, I wish I would have seen this there. I didn’t see that there. Yeah, because there was a little bit of

[00:45:18] Everything so any regrets like anything at all after everything that went on no not for me like.

[00:45:25] I said I went in with the expectation that this is a swap meet and there’s no guarantees what you’re going to find at a swap meet. And on all fronts I mean, I was super, super satisfied with the show. The attendance probably could have been better. Yeah, hopefully they made enough to be able to continue doing it next year. But no, I have no regrets at all. I had a. I had a really.

[00:45:48] Really good time my only regret so we bought servos oh geez my only regret is the people we bought the.

[00:45:55] Servos off of did not bring more so we’re talking to you buddy rc oh I wasn’t gonna call him out.

[00:46:02] No, very, very nice people. Yeah, I’m just teasing, but wouldn’t we? So I bought some the first day because I wasn’t sure about to be fair -huh, they probably weren’t expecting guys like

[00:46:14] Us to show up and want to buy 50 servos well at a time I wasn’t gonna buy that many well between the.

[00:46:20] Two of us, we would have bought more than that, you’re right. So, anyway, so I, the first day, I bought 10 because they had a really good deal on these metal gear. I mean like all metal gear, so they’re mpi.

[00:46:32] Servos. They’re good quality servos and so- and they’re all metal gear, by the way. Yeah, everything every year, even the first gear is metal. I took one apart, and it’s in a bear too, and yeah, yeah.

[00:46:43] They’re good quality servos. So, anyway, the first day I bought 10 of them and then we got back to the hotel room and you checked them all out and, like I said we, we hooked everything up and they all worked fine. Yeah, I’m like, okay, I need to buy more of those. So when we walked in the next day, I went up and I asked him. I was like, hey, how many of these do you have? And they’re like: oh, we have plenty of them.

[00:47:01] Don’t worry we have a ton of them yeah cool so there was no question we’re like okay well.

[00:47:07] We’ll come back on the way out. I’m gonna see how much money I have and I’m gonna give you the rest of it, which didn’t happen that way. So then, when we first, or when we circled back around- dave was there, you were there, his brother was there and I was there- I figured they have a ton. I’m not even gonna say anything about how many I want yet, even though I was planning on buying 25 more, if not more. Yeah, so you bought your 12. I don’t remember how many dave ended up buying. I think dave was it six.

[00:47:35] I think they got six yeah that left me with two yeah that was all they had left they only had two.

[00:47:41] Left. So I ended up going home with 12 servos- same as you, by the way, when I don’t feel bad about that at all- when I am the one that don’t have servos. You have so many servos already. Well, they’re all used.

[00:47:54] Servos yeah they are and some of them don’t work as you did you tried to give me.

[00:47:59] Yeah but no it’s okay so if they would have had more I think that would have been awesome yeah.

[00:48:05] But it’s okay. It’s okay. I called them out, but they were really, really friendly and they were absolutely. They wish they had brought more, but so it is what it is, but we did also buy some six.

[00:48:14] Gram servos. Yeah, I thought we got a pretty good deal on I think I ended up buying what eight of those. So we’ll have to try those too and see how they go. But that’s like that’s all I can think of, right, and that I regret- and that’s not a regret of mine, it’s a regret- that they didn’t bring as much.

[00:48:34] Well you regret that you weren’t able to buy as many as you wanted but I wouldn’t have wanted to.

[00:48:39] Take them from you guys. So I’m glad you guys got what you needed, what you wanted, but I regret the fact that when you guys purchased everything you wanted, I was not able to go up and say, all right, I want this money and they just gave me two. That’s okay, we’ll deal sometimes being told no.

[00:49:01] It’s a good thing because then you had money to spend on something else well I still I went home.

[00:49:06] With money, by the way. Well, so that’s true, I could have gone home with zero, like you did, which would have been ideal, yeah, so okay, if we go back next year or if anybody else wants to go.

[00:49:17] Back next year. Yeah, we learned a few things we did. Yeah, we’ve got some good gouge for you. And now Ron doesn’t know what, gouge like maybe that’s a military only thing, because I threw that at you over the weekend and you’re like what, what are you talking about? So gouge like, I’ve got the gouge on this test, or to me that’s like inside information, that’s when you’re in the military and you’ve got gouge on something. Then you’ve got some good intel. So we’ve got some good intel for you guys. I was gonna say

[00:49:43] Why don’t you just say we have some good information because gouge is only one syllable.

[00:49:48] And good information is like five or six syllables or whatever that is five but that’s okay.

[00:49:54] So the good information, because I’m not going to say that just sounds weird. First off, this is a tip from brian yeah park in the basement of the seagate center. Yeah, oh my gosh, did that make it easier? Yeah, yeah, like when we first walked in the morning, we had to walk a good distance. Well,

[00:50:14] Yeah because we had to park across the street in the parking garage well I shouldn’t say had to that’s.

[00:50:18] Where we parked because we didn’t know better and we were on the sixth story so we had to take elevators and it was it was. It was a pain like when I walked in to the actual the, the swap meet, into the seagate center. When I opened those doors I was not in the mood to buy anything like just knowing the whole. Okay, any airplane I buy, I can’t carry it. So as soon as I buy this, we have to make the 10 minute trip to the car and back and I just, yeah, I was not looking forward to that.

[00:50:50] However, when brian said you should park in the basement, that changed everything it did. That changed was a game changer, because the first thing we bought we took out to the car and then we drove into that basement and literally I would say we are probably in walking distance, probably 150 feet from our car. Yeah, you walked out of the seagate center, out of the main, the main area where it was. You went down either a flight of stairs or an elevator and then walked 150 feet at most.

[00:51:22] And we were at the car yep the second day we were even closer 30 feet away from the door.

[00:51:28] To get in. So yeah, so if it was perfect, the event is held at the seagate center again and you go- yeah, do yourself a favor in the basement and the and the and the cost was the difference between parking across the street and in the basement was, in my opinion, negligible. There was- it was five bucks, I think, across the street and it was like seven dollars in the basement by the end of the day. Also, so very

[00:51:52] Much worth it. Park in the basement, bring more cash, bring more than you’re comfortable spending, because you will want to spend it and you will spend it well. The thing is like, especially like if you

[00:52:06] If you need servos or if you need hardware or if you. It really just kind of makes sense if you’re, if you’re going to be, if you’re going to build a lot of airplanes or if you’re going to be in the hobby, while it makes sense to stock up on things, that you use a lot of receivers, if you can find good deals on receivers. That way you’re not pulling out of one plane to put into another. So yeah, it sounds terrible, take more cash, but the deals- some of the deals there- are so good that you may regret not having more to take advantage of those deals. Yeah what I mean and I what I.

[00:52:40] Took, I think, for me, ended up being the perfect amount because I didn’t. I didn’t feel like I needed more and I didn’t feel like there was stuff I was leaving on the table because I didn’t have the money.

[00:52:53] For it. Yeah, does that make? Does that make sense? Yeah, and I feel the same way like the. The amount I took and had access to was just right for me, which was less than what you had access to. But

[00:53:05] What I was going to say, though not everybody has the same. However, had there been three extra airplanes that I wanted to buy- we were out of room, things- things would have changed. Well, we’d made a fit, we have figured away. I mean life finds a way, right. I mean we’ll figure it out. But don’t waffle on things like: if you find something you want, pick it up and buy it now. If you’re not sure, that’s fine, wait, the price might be cheaper later. Yeah, like when we went by the, the steven zero glider.

[00:53:37] I saw that the first day. I thought their price was ridiculously high. It was weird too. It was like a really odd number, like it was well, like 238 and 42 cents. I mean, like they, it was literally that.

[00:53:52] That odd, yeah, and they had it printed on a piece of paper, and it was printed and then highlighted. So I don’t, I didn’t really understand. I didn’t buy anything from that. Well, I didn’t.

[00:54:03] Either because I thought everything was overpriced, right, except walking through. So I’ll say walking through. The next day- this was saturday- I was looking at it as I went by and the guy came up. He’s like: tell you what, you can take it home for 100 bucks. I was like, ah, okay, here you go, like we don’t even need to talk about it anymore. So I didn’t even offer him any less. Maybe I should have, but I was happy with that. So if I’m happy and he’s happy, yeah, that’s a good. I think that’s a good deal. Yeah, but I’m, I’m just. I don’t understand the pricing structure of some people. How do you feel?

[00:54:35] By the way, about the prices there. Do you think honestly so? And- and you’ll find this, I think at every swap meet there- there are guys there that want like new prices for stuff, and then there are guys there who understand that they’re not going to get new prices for stuff. So all in all, I’d say most of the pricing was: if it wasn’t fair, it was at least negotiable. Guys were at least willing to sort of go back and forth. But there was a few places where the prices were so

[00:55:08] Outrageous. It didn’t even prompt a conversation, conversation because they were just so out of line in my opinion, but overall I was happy with the prices that I paid. Now I’ll admit we found one thing.

[00:55:22] There that we found at brian shop the exact same are. Yes, the price brian had on his was three times less than they were asking there. Yeah, I mean, the price on the kid up at that show was three times more than we saw for brian shop. Exactly so some are a hit, some are a miss. I mean, like, like I said, you just don’t know who is selling stuff. But yeah, I thought for the most part prices were decent. Yeah, especially.

[00:55:50] On pre-built airplanes yeah I felt like the deal I got on the little blue plane was.

[00:55:56] Crazy, yeah. So I guess the way I look at it is, if I was to build an airplane and pay for the covering- especially if it’s a kit that you got to do- and pay for the electronics and pay for the servos, pay for all that kind of stuff, you cannot go wrong with some of the prices we came across absolutely- and I feel that way about every airplane I bought- me too, like I think every airplane I bought literally was about the cost of the motor that was on a brand new. Yeah, that’s.

[00:56:26] Maybe a little bit more, maybe a little bit. Not speed controller, just the motor. So just buying the motor right, and I’m not, and the ones you bought were pretty much all ready to go, oh yeah, I mean like:

[00:56:37] Receiver maybe, and battery- none of them came with the receiver. Well, one did, but I told the guy to take it out because it wasn’t what I flew with. So he was happy to keep that. Knock a few bucks off. But yeah, battery and receivers, all these airplanes needed, and the price. Like I said, when we looked up prices of the motors, especially like that night when we got there, I was floored with how expensive.

[00:56:56] Some of those were well, because we’re- I’m used to the cheap stuff. We’re cheap, yeah, we yeah inexpensive- how’s that inexpensive? I like it, but no, all in all, I, I, I’m, I’m quite pleased with the, the pricing overall, yeah, with a few exceptions. And then the last thing that we might do next year:

[00:57:14] Just to be different even if you’re not going to sell anything buy a table so you have the storage.

[00:57:23] Area under and behind it. Yeah, for airplanes that you’re buying. Yeah, like, especially like we went together and so it would have been handy to have a place to stage our purchases so we weren’t making constant trips out to the car and stuff. Yeah, especially if you have to park far away.

[00:57:42] Like we did right at the beginning exactly: whoops, it wasn’t all that important, really, it wasn’t terrible to make that trip, but we made that trip more often than we should have. Yeah, and I think we carried stuff longer than we needed to. I actually felt bad because I had a heavy bag, like after I bought all my fasteners and stuff, that was a heavy bag. Yes, somehow I handed it to dave’s brother. I remember doing that to look at something and then I completely forgot about it. It was like an hour later he’s like here, you want this back? And I was like, oh my god, I’m so sorry, like he’s carrying this heavy bag for

[00:58:12] Me that I completely forgot about and we’d made trips out to the car before while he was carrying. So, yeah, I’m, I’m sorry, daniel. Yeah, my bad, but yeah, so that was, that was our trip. I mean, it was two nights, I had a lot of fun. Six and a half hour drive there, give or take same coming back. Yeah, and next year, I think, will be even better, so cool. A couple other things we’re going to get to really.

[00:58:37] Quick. Yeah, we’ll get. We’ll get more in depth than this, maybe in our next episode or one later on down the line. But my wife, lori, she has expressed interest in building an art. That’s awesome. So, yeah, we’ll talk about that eventually. But that was the impetus behind buying. Yeah, yeah, I mentioned it, yeah, when I put the stick was what I think we’re gonna. We’re gonna have her put together, I think, and if not that, then maybe something else. Yeah, but yeah, I’m, I’m really excited. She seems to be really excited about it, she is. So, yeah, we’ll do a little, build log or something.

[00:59:12] When we figure out what we’re gonna do. But yeah, we’ll do something on the, on the website and stuff, just kind of get her. We’ll have Ron talking about her building experience, but it will be a new person that’s never done anything like this before right, coming at it from the perspective of I don’t know what I’m doing, but let’s find out, and at least I have somebody here that knows what.

[00:59:31] They’re doing. She does have the advantage or disadvantage, maybe, of living with me for the last 30 plus years and watching me do these things. So some of these things she may have a little head start on somebody that has never done it before. But yeah, I don’t know how much do you think she actually watched, though, sorry, to be fair, she, she knows a fair amount. Okay, like maybe not with the physical putting stuff together, but like she knows what a rudder is, she knows what a CA hinge is, she knows how to install them, like maybe not actually physically, but she knows the process. So

[01:00:07] She, just because she’s watched me do it over the many years we’ve been together. So well, that should be fun, though I’m looking forward to that. Yeah, I’m, I’m actually, I’m actually really excited about too, because couldn’t get the kids involved, so why not try to get the wife?

[01:00:19] That reminds me, by the way. So we went to the field. Piper wanted to come with us when we went to the field on sunday. So we went to the field, we flew some stuff. I flew new stuff. Yep, you crashed some of my old stuff, thanks. Well, it wasn’t your fault. Nothing’s ever is, I guess, when it, when it sounded bad, when I said that, I realized: but this one really was not, makes for a good story. We’ll tell the story then really quick, and then we’ll get into yeah.

[01:00:46] So the little blue and yellow plane that we got that has the foam wing and the built-up fuselage, from brian some time ago, as a freebie hair guys you’re leaving, take this with you- you actually converted it to electric. I had it ready to fly, so we attempted to fly. It took off and had an, had an issue with the receiver and I crashed it. And, yeah, I crashed it and yet another.

[01:01:09] Spectrum receiver. I know this could have been on me, so I’m not sure. I don’t like I don’t know either. If anybody knows more about setting this stuff up, please reach out to me and let me know, because so it was an ar 5000 I, I’m sorry, ar 500 in that. So it was the older dsm2, I think. So it has the one short antenna and then it has the one longer antenna that comes out of both sides. Now that’s a small plane, it is. There’s not a lot of room in there for really anything. So when I installed

[01:01:45] The receiver. The long antenna is running down into the fuselage and up by the receiver. Probably about an inch and a half or two inches away is the servo that goes back to control. I don’t know if that one is the rudder elevator, doesn’t matter, but it runs right next to one of those servos. I don’t know.

[01:02:03] If it got noise from that. Well, so, yeah, what? Like upon the, as, walking up to the crash, the post-mortem, the post-mortem like it was, it was still on, obviously, because the battery had not come unplugged. The receiver was flashing a solid or, I’m sorry, a singular red led. Now, spectrum receivers have, some of them have, well, all of them have- orange leds. That’s power, yeah, and show you the indication of binding and all that, but that some of them also have a red led and the red led in this.

[01:02:37] Receiver was flashing once, once yeah, which means it had a hold, which means it was not necessarily a brown out, so it wasn’t power related, but it lost signal for some reason. I think it was it’s like 35 frames or something- is when you actually get that light. Now it was a lot longer than that because watching the video, it was probably a good three, four or five seconds where you- I mean you pretty much straight out- said I have nothing, I had no control, and you just had nothing. I mean like the, the, it’s not like.

[01:03:09] It even went down to zero rpm so it’s not like it went I just I don’t know I don’t know what happened.

[01:03:16] So I don’t know, like I said, if it has something to do with the way I had that antenna ran or what. That makes me very nervous, though absolutely, because that’s how. That’s the exact same setup as in this little chipmunk. It’s the two antennas, the short ones, going towards the front, because I didn’t want to put them up by the speed controller. I figured that was going to have more noise around it than a servo. Maybe I’m wrong and anyway. So in the chipmunk that I haven’t flown yet, it’s the same thing to where the longer antenna is running into the fuselage and it’s down next to that servo. So I’m gonna have to do some reading before I fly that and see exactly.

[01:03:51] What’s going on? Is this one of the new receivers you bought? No, oh, that’s one I’ve had for quite a while, that’s. I’ve never had a problem with the ports flown before. I don’t remember what it was in, though, but yeah, weird. It is once again another spectrum problem, and I hate that. Maybe, maybe, maybe, I should just start flying with orange and lemons and all that kind of stuff, but we had fun, though. Other than that, that was, that was literally a 45 second issue. That did not even rain on our parade, so that plane, by the way, is completely fixable. Oh yeah, the fuselage had

[01:04:25] Nothing wrong with it, nope, and the foam wing, perfectly clean, brake right in the middle, yeah, so that can get broke. Your favorite propeller? Well, yeah, I forgot about that. That was a really cool old wooden like seven inch propeller. I don’t remember who it was, but that’s okay, we can change it to something else so that one will fly again. I would like to fly it, so I will fly it next time. Before I let you just thank you. Yes, I appreciate that. I’ve flown it, but we did get out there, like I said, and I was able to fly. The flight work shiny, as much as I don’t like saying that. What a cool.

[01:05:00] Airplane that is so much fun what a terrible name for such a cool airplane but it makes sense because.

[01:05:05] I know it’s shiny. It’s a really cool, fun little airplane. It’s hard to find, yeah, it’s not fast. Has a foldable prop because there’s no gear on it, right. So I was thinking like I wasn’t sure, looking at the design of it, I wasn’t sure if it was going to be fast because it looks like it could. It looks like it would be fast, yeah, and I wasn’t sure if it was going to be slow because it had the foldable prop. So I thought, well, maybe it’s more of like, maybe it’s light enough to where it’s going to glide, well, and all that kind of stuff. Neither one. So it’s a slowish to medium.

[01:05:36] Speed airplane that has a foldable prop because there’s no gear. So this is a balsa airplane, built up balsa airplane, with no landing gear. I don’t like that, but I do like the airplane, so it’s pretty cool. No rudder either, by the way. No, it’s a solid race we’re getting used to. Yeah, it’s a fly is great.

[01:05:54] I mean you let me fly it and I didn’t crash it so that’s good no and we I mean like I said I think.

[01:05:59] That’s going to be one that will get flown a lot at dark hopefully more so towards the yeah.

[01:06:05] Especially I mean that thing will be easy to fly here even I think I don’t know we’ll see I mean.

[01:06:11] In the daylight, yes, but I there’s still trees around that I’m not comfortable with flying at night here. But no, I think that would be fun. Night flying, I think would be fun to get into. We’ve we’ve had people we’ve talked to before that have done that and said leds and planes are fun. I’ve seen pictures and stuff and it’s it’s really cool like I’ve never had it before. So this is another one of those new things that now I’m trying to figure. What else can we put leds in and have fun with, because it’s just so cool. It is really cool. And then I also flew the: the steven zero, that he mg2, that it.

[01:06:46] Might have been a little too windy for me. Well, having never flown a glider before too, yeah, it’s, it’s. Had it been straight up and down the runway it would have been better, but yeah, that would have been different. So I probably flew that for 10 to 12 ish minutes on the, on the battery that I had in there- it’s only a two cell, by the way, two cell 2200, so it’s not like it’s overpowered. This is a very gentle type airplane. Once, like, I flew it around for just a couple minutes to kind of see what it was.

[01:07:19] Like and then I thought, okay, now I’m gonna try to land it, because you always want to kind of learn how these things land before you have to land. Glad I did. It took me forever to actually get it to come in. So, first off, obviously it’s a glider. It doesn’t like to actually come out of the air and with a little bit of a crosswind it kept wanting to turn. Well, crosswind with no ailerons was, I think, what really got me. I’m not used to not having the aileron control, because if it’s a little bit windy you can always crab in. You can kind of control your attitude very well with ailerons and

[01:07:51] With rudder, without the ailerons, you’re at the mercy of the wind, trying to come in 15 degrees, I think, probably towards the runway is kind of how we had to make it because of the wind. Yeah, it took several passes and I think it was a good- probably eight or nine minutes until I was able to actually get it to land, but you nailed it well after 10 tries, yeah, but it’s. It’s going to be a fun airplane. I’m looking forward to spending a lot more time with them. Honestly, yeah, so yeah I, I flew.

[01:08:22] I checked three off my to fly this year list so yeah it was a good overall it was a good day except.

[01:08:28] For the crash in the old blue and yellow thing. Well, I guess I’m sad about you flew that. So I guess that’s four. It did fly, but yeah, so you got four on that. Well, that one’s yours. Well, true, but that’s another one that flew, though you actually took out the old sky bolt that you got off of me. I did, yeah, and that’s the first one that’s been flown in, like eight years, I think. Really happy with how.

[01:08:50] That flies it could use more power but yeah well if you ever decide to replace that I might be.

[01:08:55] Interested in the engine on, I might buy it off of you. Yeah, we’ll see, unless you want to keep her. Something else we’ll see. I like small gas engines, but no, that was a great flying airplane. I enjoyed watching that one fly, more so than owning it. I’m just not a huge fan of the biplanes. Like I watched you put it together and I thought I don’t miss that. Oh, and that’s not even

[01:09:14] A hard one no I had it together in like five minutes yeah it was really easy to put together I.

[01:09:19] Think it’s. It’s the top cabanes that I don’t like, where they come off the fuselage and you have to run the bolts through and it’s a small, tiny little washer and then nut. You got to get on there and it’s a lock nut so it doesn’t come off and you got to try and get your tools up there. I don’t know. Yes, I’m being whiny, I understand. I didn’t say anything. I could tell by the look on your face, but that, just like I said, it was fun to see it fly again, but it was not something that I

[01:09:45] Miss owning. If that makes sense, that makes sense. So, and I enjoyed flying it so I’m glad I own it now. I hope to see it more often. You will. I think I’m going to recover it eventually, yeah, but I’ll cover it exactly the same, just my colors, same everything, just newer. Yeah, yeah, because that covering, oh, that, whatever it was, that I don’t think that’s genuine monaco, even though that was a great plains ARF. It peels up and how it is when. When it starts peeling up, yeah, it gets you.

[01:10:16] Know oil under it peels more and then you can’t get it to stick back down it’s just that’s that’s.

[01:10:20] Pretty much exactly how it looked when I got it. Yeah, I mean like it was not a beautiful plane. Then, right, I just was excited because it was well like another airplane. I think that was probably like my number five. It was not very far in my line of how many I had and it was a gas motor. I actually know what that might actually have been my first gasoline airplane. Looking back on it, yeah, it could be. It probably would have been with the whole timing on everything, but anyway. But

[01:10:51] I’m glad to see it was gone then I saw you flow your flu your a10 or your a10 yeah my a10.

[01:10:57] I want to try to motivate you to finish yours so I thought well I’ll get mine out and fly it and maybe.

[01:11:02] You’ll and it. Mine is still like it’s not been put away, so it will get done. I just have been busy with the other things that we just brought in. Yeah, and it’s been hectic. It’s been hectic around here since we got home, so we will get to it. So, yeah, what else did you fly? You had one other one, right?

[01:11:20] Let’s see. Oh, I flew the, the, the pika yellow plane. I can’t remember the name of it off the top of my head now escapes me, but anyway, yeah, new bearings in the engine for that one, and man, what a fun airplane that is to fly. You don’t like it, though, because it makes noise. Well, I didn’t, oh my.

[01:11:37] Gosh, I’m never gonna hear the end of that now, am I? No? And you said, okay, at a certain rpm. When it’s on the on the ground or on the stand, it’s not one that you stay at long, but during the transition you can hear something inside that’s just really shaky and really ucky sounding, for lack of better words. Yeah, it’s the push rods. Yeah, you said it was the push rods. That can be fixed, or it doesn’t have to be fixed. I mean, it’s your airplane, not mine, because I probably actually would that be.

[01:12:06] Difficult to do. No, well, I’d have to run tubes and things like that. Yeah, that’s the case and it’s not difficult because it’s. Yeah, because it’s, it’s old school. Wooden dowels for push rods, yeah, and at certain rpms they get in there and they rattle and hit each other and make noise. It doesn’t bother me, but it doesn’t. If it bothers you, I’ll replace them someday. I will. I will deal.

[01:12:26] Because you don’t hear it when it flies no you only hear it when it’s on the ground and it has and now.

[01:12:31] That it. Now that the bearings aren’t like screaming in the engine, now that you can hear the airplane as it swooshes through the air, it makes this really awesome. Howling sound like a.

[01:12:42] Whistling yeah it’s really whistling death sounds really cool all right is there anything else you.

[01:12:48] Can talk about it. Can we get out here? No, I think we’ve bragged about all the stuff we bought enough. These guys probably don’t want to hear any more about that. So, yeah, I’m done. Well, cool if you guys.

[01:12:59] Want to be a guest. Seriously, we are still scheduling guests to reach out to us. rcplanelab.com- slash guest, I think, or be a guest, I don’t know. rcplanelab.com, click on the link, you’ll find it. And yeah, come talk to us and let us know what you like about the hobby, and it should be fun. Yeah.

[01:13:17] Yeah, it was good times. We were really excited and we were, and I was not disappointed. So if you get a chance to do this next year, I think we’re going to. And here’s the cool thing, too, about like

[01:13:29] Having people on being guests it gets me exposed to and excited for other things that I have not.

[01:13:36] Done yet, which, yeah, I like right. I mean, you were actually open to the idea of recording at the show, which I thought was a step in the right direction. Yeah, still nervous about that? We’ll figure it out.

[01:13:47] It’s okay it’s all cool it’s good yeah all right well until next time I am Ron and I’m Tom thanks.

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