Ep 25: Plans, and Plan Resizing

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[00:00:35] Hosts: Ron and Tom. Hello everyone and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I’m Ron and I’m Tom. On today’s episode we’re going to be talking about plans and plans resizing and where to get plans and what plans are, and all good stuff about plans- everything you ever wanted to know.

[00:00:54] About plans- right or maybe not, I don’t know well, hopefully, hopefully an interesting discussion about plans. We’ll see how it goes. Yeah, and what sort of, what sort of prompted this discussion was a little project I took on at rc groups, so this- some of you may know rc groups- is kind of a big online rc airplane community. Believe it or not- I have never been on there. Yeah, it’s, it’s a good resource. There’s lots and lots and lots of really good information on there. There’s lots of not good information too, but so I have a small presence there. I have some folks that

[00:01:29] I chat with occasionally and there’s build logs on there. If you’re into building, I mean, if you’re into foamy’s, I mean there’s just, it’s just a not a great online resource for all things rc airplanes, and not just airplanes, I mean. They have boats, cars, I mean that all things rc, I guess.

[00:01:46] Really is what I should say hence rc groups exactly instead of rc airplane groups and there’s other.

[00:01:52] Group there’s other resources out there too like rc universe that’s another big.

[00:01:57] One rc tech which is a car rc tech.Net is another one that’s car related and stuff.

[00:02:04] But anyway. So a fellow modeler on rc groups threw out a message, or a gauntlet if you will, a while back saying he was looking for a, a guinea pig, to build. This new he’s a. He goes by the name balsa workbench. He actually has a really cool website. I’m gonna plug it: balsaworkbenchcom. A great, great dude, his name’s rob, sent me a, sent me a kit that he laser cut and it is a shrunken down Cloud Dancer 40, which is actually a Cloud Dancer 10, now that he wanted a.

[00:02:42] Guinea pig to build for him to make sure that all the redrawing and everything he did in the cad.

[00:02:47] Program that he used made sure that translated well into a an airplane you could.

[00:02:52] Actually build so I took that project on and told him I would do it and I got it built and covered.

[00:02:59] And so this is the one that you use the covering from hobby king yes hobby king.

[00:03:06] Covering film I’m gonna call it china coat from here on out because that’s easier to say and that’s.

[00:03:12] Exactly what it’s referred to online. Well, you wanted so. With this airplane, you don’t really know how it’s gonna fly, so you didn’t want to put a whole bunch of money into it, right just in case something happens and it crashes the first time. And we were curious about this covering anyway. Very much so, because it’s a five meter roll for like 12 bucks, very inexpensive, which five meters is.

[00:03:33] More than what you get with the other meters so it’s quite a bit more for quite a bit.

[00:03:41] Less right honestly than your standard top flight monocode or gold or I’m sorry.

[00:03:47] Hanger nine ultra code. So we wanted to try this covering and I gotta say we’ll talk about the plans here in a minute, but I just gotta plug this covering. I ordered white because that’s what was in stock. So apparently not every color is always available in stock, but it comes in and out of stock pretty quickly apparently. So I ordered a roll of the 15 meter white and I gotta tell you I love this stuff. Five meter, I’m sorry, five meter, 15. I was gonna say hold on, there’s a 15 meter roll. No, no, sorry, five meter roll of white and I really, really like it and it was very easy.

[00:04:23] To work with went around compound curves. I mean, we’re talking, this is a little airplane and so the so the curves are fairly sharp and compound. This stuff went around it like I mean, imagine, if you’re familiar with monocode- and monocode, in my opinion, does a great job already- around compound curves like wingtips, things like that- this stuff did as good as monocode at a lower temperature, which was really handy, because if you had like headroom, you could add more.

[00:04:55] Temperature if you needed to make it even more flexible and the stuff we set the.

[00:05:01] Little airplane out in the sun and did not seem to affect the covering at all, like no sags, no, and that was a 92 degree day. Yeah, it was a hot day, so yeah, I’m quite impressed. Actually, now those was white, it wasn’t right. So exactly. Yeah, bear that with a grain of salt. But as far as workability goes, very easy to work with. The only the only real gripe I had about it is the, the backing, kind of difficult to remove if it doesn’t have a little piece already.

[00:05:37] Kind of loose what I mean but two pieces of tape peels what I’m saying back.

[00:05:42] To back and it peels right off a piece of tape on the back, piece of tape on the front, and using that as like a grip, if you will, yeah, sure, yeah, but like I said, that’s a pretty small gripe compared to the cost of the stuff and how much of it you actually get. So are you a convert? Now I’d say:

[00:05:58] Yeah, I mean they don’t make as many cool colors as monocoat is available in like a lot of the metallics and things like that. But yeah, absolutely for basic colors. Yeah, I’m I’m not afraid to use this stuff. And speaking of monocoat, monocoat as trim sticks quite well to.

[00:06:17] This stuff. So if you want to do your main coat or your main plane in a basic color right, you can also trim it out with a monocoat. That’s exactly pretty well, that’s exactly the direction I was.

[00:06:29] Going because you could, like I said, you can buy a roll of the white, if that’s your base color, cover the thing in white and then do your trim in the more expensive monocoat or ultra coat that you don’t use nearly as much of them, exactly, okay, yeah, so big fan over here. I like that stuff. I’ll be ordering more of it eventually when it’s back in stock. Yeah, now we’ll see what time does to it. I have read some online reviews that have had mixed results. Some guys say, oh yeah, it’s five years later and it’s still stuck like, like gangbusters. But then

[00:07:02] There’s other guys saying: well, I’ve got some seams that are coming loose. We’ll see. I feel like I applied it properly, so we’ll see what time does. And I do want to make a note that, like on their metallic colors, the general consensus of folks who have used it- I have yet to use metallic so I can’t say for sure- but from roll to roll there may be inconsistencies in the color, so you may have match issues if you’re using covering from one roll and trying to match it up to another.

[00:07:34] One with their metallic colors like I said I’ve not done that yet but on a on a five meter roll.

[00:07:41] So yeah, so maybe you can order a couple rules at a time or something, because I’m guessing like most likely batch to batch should be the same right, but if you’re going from different batches- like if you order one, then two months later you order another one- I can see how that can.

[00:07:56] Be, and it may be- an issue. Somebody ordered metallic purple in december and then in march or april, when they’re finally finishing that airplane after their winter hibernation or

[00:08:06] Whatever they order another roll maybe they’re into another batch and maybe it’s not the.

[00:08:11] Same or whatever, but so that’s something you might want to keep in mind if you’re ordering the stuff. Order, order enough to do the whole project, yeah, but yeah, I’m I’m a fan, I’m going to use it again. I can’t wait to use it on another airplane. Yeah, that will be pretty cool.

[00:08:26] I’ll. I’ll have to order some of that now. On the opposite side- I wasn’t planning on talking about covering, but on the opposite side of this we talked about a couple weeks ago, whenever it was about some the solar- no, yeah, the solar, the cover right. Oh, the cover right. 21St century stuff that was discontinued. We had somebody reach out and say that even though that stuff is discontinued, right, there is a another product that is still made. I think balsa. Usa is one place.

[00:08:58] You can get it right. We actually went to a hobby shop and they had some in stock and it’s called oratex and it’s a fabric. Apparently. It’s like the same kind of covering then that you were.

[00:09:10] Talking about with that 21st century? Yeah, but this stuff is not painted. It’s like tinted that color or stained that color, like a like a like a cotton shirt. When you buy a blue cotton shirt, it’s not painted, it’s obviously. That’s how this stuff is. It’s a fabric that’s actually dyed that color.

[00:09:26] Already. Yeah, and it’s, it’s. It’s actually kind of cool. I can’t wait to use it. I’ve got to find a most expensive covering I have ever seen. It was. It was a moment. I take that back, but it’s, it’s definitely expensive. It was a moment of weakness. I don’t know why I bought it, but rolls are 65. For what is this one? This is a five meter roll. Big difference between that and the, the monocoat stuff or even the china coat stuff, yeah, but I really like that dull look, depending on the.

[00:09:57] Airplane? Yes, so we’ll see how this goes. Yeah, we’re pretty and we’re pretty sure that this is the type of covering that was on the big yellow biplane at the, at the open. Oh, you think so I’m.

[00:10:05] Pretty sure it is. You think this is what it looks like. The same sheen it. The stuff that was on the biplane was not painted, so I know for sure that it was not 21st century fabric. Oh okay, yeah, it had a uniform, non-glossy, just like the stuff you bought here, so I’m pretty sure that it’s probably the same stuff. Yeah, it could very well be, then, or maybe the same stuff under a different name, because apparently this, this fabric, iron-on covering, all kind of comes from the same place in.

[00:10:32] Germany- yeah, that’s what I heard. Yeah, I don’t know how correct that is, but it seems like it. Your package says: this package does say made in germany, but I have not looked at any of the other ones, so. But this is paintable too. Yes, that’s part that I kind of like, because now I can just actually paint the covering once it’s on, as opposed to doing decal work, and then you don’t have to worry about, like the, if you put decals on that are shiny or anything like that. So that will make sure.

[00:10:56] This matches so I’m excited to actually build a plane with it yeah it’s neat stuff now I got.

[00:11:01] To find one to build right but if I find one that’s not in the right scale I know how to.

[00:11:06] Resize the plans exactly. And how do this google? No right. So getting back to the little mini Cloud Dancer here, so, rob, when he provided me the, the laser cut parts, he said: take the Cloud Dancer 40 plan original plan and print it at 70 and you’re good to go, which is?

[00:11:28] Exactly what we did exactly and it worked great for you yeah it worked perfect rob had done the.

[00:11:35] Research and somehow he figured out that if he printed the plan at this scale, not only would it be the perfect size for his little os 10 engines that he likes so much, it would also be fairly close to standard balsa sizes, so that he didn’t really have to do a lot of redrawing, because we printed the plan at 70 and that is the original 40 size. Ace Cloud Dancer- yeah, plan, so he.

[00:12:01] Had done all that ahead of time, maybe well, but with when the in the cad program he would have changed the sizing for all of the spars. Yeah, but we didn’t have his cad printed plans, we didn’t need.

[00:12:11] Them right, right, but what I’m saying is like this: the standard, like the stringers and stuff like that, the spars and all that stuff he had, he had done his homework and he figured that at that scale I could still use standard because, like, if you, if I held up a- I think it was, I think I used three, sixteenths by quarter, I think is what it was- on the spars and that lined up perfectly on the outlines on the plan. Now, he didn’t redraw the plan, we just printed them at 70 scale. Oh well, yeah, I follow.

[00:12:42] What you’re saying and then that, but there are some things that didn’t line up exactly either right and to which is instructions were: yeah, it’s fine, just go with it. So and it did, it worked.

[00:12:52] Out. It worked out nicely. It’s a good looking airplane, but now he would have resized the parts he cut, the parts he got, to be exact, yep. So yeah, so that they could be built on the plan right and in cad. That’s easy to do if, when you, when you have your file and you do your tracings, or however you end up doing it and you shrink it down, all of the areas that have the wing spars going through them are going to be resized in the cad program right. So when you shrink it down 30 percent, if you don’t get to a an actual size of balsa that you can get right, it’s very simple to redraw that.

[00:13:26] To a quarter by quarter or whatever size you’re you’re needing to do, and then just connecting lines back up and then using that for your cut file, right? Most people aren’t going to do it that way, though, and if they are going to do it that way, they don’t need us to tell them how to do it that way. If they have a cad program, they know what they’re doing. We’re really going to kind of talk more about just somebody that wants to print something at home, because they found some plans online and want to build a plane, and kind of how to do that, and it’s not very difficult at all. So, yeah,

[00:13:55] Let’s let’s talk about places where you can, where you can find plans online. Well, first off, what is a plan? That’s a good question, thanks. That’s why. That’s why I have you to ask these good questions: plans. So a plan is a, a, something that we use. A printed plan is something we use to build our airplanes from, or a blueprint, if you will, so that if you, you physically lay the plan out on your building table- if you’re not familiar with building an airplane, you and you actually physically build the airplane right there on top of the plan, so you have all the parts in the right.

[00:14:29] Places and such yeah. So when you build a plane based on plans, it’s printed at 100, 100, right, so it’s it’s true to size like the plan matches the size of the airplane. Yep, so there’s no math to figure out, nothing like that. You just lay the plan on the on the table and start building.

[00:14:46] Your sticks on top of it yeah so that’s you’re exactly right you physically build something.

[00:14:52] That is the exact same size as the plan that you’re building it from. So it’s 100, the same size. Where do you like, now that we know what a plan is, where do you go to? Where do you go to get plans? I like to go to a, a website. It’s called outer zone. I think it’s wwwouterzonecomuk. Maybe I think it’s a yeah, it’s not a yeah, but it might be outerzonecouk. Maybe that’s it. Yeah, but if you do a google search of outer zone and then plans it, it’ll be like the first thing that pops up and

[00:15:22] And it’s a service that’s provided free, which is really awesome. As long as you’re not printing plans and then selling them, yeah, you’re not infringing on any copyright or anything like that. If you’re. If your sole purpose is to build an airplane from plans, you’re legally just fine.

[00:15:39] And I, so I’ll stop you there, because that’s one you use. I also will use that one, but there’s another one called aerofredcom, oh, yeah, okay, and that’s another one that you can. They’re, they’re kind of the same, they’re kind of set up the same way. I think, okay, you can find different plans on different sites. So if you look at one site and you can’t find a plan, you want right, go to the other one and start looking through that, right too. So I just I want to throw that in, yeah, yeah, and certainly these two sites are not the only sites online. I mean, I believe, ama, you can buy.

[00:16:10] Some plans through ama, I think, on their website. I know model airplane news plans are available from some publishing website, but yeah, I mean there’s lots of places. Those are just two of our.

[00:16:23] Our favorites those are like two that I use yeah and that’s like the only two that I between those.

[00:16:28] Two I mean every well our dualist plans they came from outer zone that’s where I found it might.

[00:16:34] Have been aerofred that I found it I don’t remember okay but it doesn’t matter same thing yep but.

[00:16:40] Anyway, those are. Those are places I like to use, and outer zone. I’m not real familiar with aerofred, I don’t think I’ve ever used that one. So outer zone, their plans database is enormous. I mean they have. I think the last time I looked, I think it was something like in the vicinity of- and I’m probably way off, but it was like 3 000 plans, different plans. I would think it’d be more than that. Maybe it probably is, but that’s the number that like sticks out in my head. So you have to, if you’re looking for something specific, you have to sort through all these plans and

[00:17:15] He has just recently added to his website a really, really cool search feature, search function, rather, and you can break it down by: you can search by a wingspan range, engine size, a weight range. I mean there’s name, there’s keyword search, I mean there’s there’s a lot of plans there that you have to sort through, but there’s ways to get to exactly right where you need. But sometimes it’s fun just to sort, just to sift, oh yeah, and browse through his

[00:17:42] Plans, because there’s some really neat stuff in there. It’ll take forever, it does so. I just I just pulled up the aerofred website and there are 23 625 model airplane plans available. Well, there you go. So that’s just aerofred. Yeah, and that’s. That’s not technically just radio controlled, because there’s like the free fly, there’s rubber band powered even on here, but it’s kind of the same way to where you can, you can sort by wingspan, you can sort by power type, if you want electric, if you want glow, if you want gas. You can sort if you want like civilian type aircraft, military.

[00:18:19] Type or type: aircraft, yeah, it sounds very, very similar. Plane, yeah, same type of thing. It probably is like almost identical. So if you’re looking for a plan, there’s, there’s a couple of resources.

[00:18:30] Right there and there’s certainly. There’s certainly other ones out there too. So if you got a favorite airplane you want to build, you can probably find a modeler who has already.

[00:18:41] Modeled it yeah who’s already done the hard work right exactly so let’s say you found one okay.

[00:18:48] Now what do you do well you’re you’re probably going to have to print it or download the print.

[00:18:55] File and download first, yeah, and have somebody well, yeah, so for us, that’s true. We, we just have the wide format printer and we print. If you don’t have that, though, because most people don’t have access to one even it’s very easy to print plans from your own home to do that. Now I don’t know all the different programs that will print the way that you need to print with that, but what I used before I got the wide format printer or printer was the adobe acrobat reader dc, I think.

[00:19:30] Was the. I don’t know if that’s version or what, but it’s. It’s very easy to print plans from your own printer at home. So if you don’t have that program, download the program and download the, the file. You need, the plan. You open it with that program and then on the very top of it you click on the, the printer icon to bring up the, the print dialogue. There’ll be a box that comes up and under page sizing and handling. You click on the poster print and then that will tell it to.

[00:20:05] Print it. It the setting that you need to print it at. So with that you set the scale to 100, so it doesn’t shrink it or enlarge it at all. Yeah, we’ll talk about that here in a little bit, right, but for just our purposes now, 100 is what you said of that, and then with the version I have, it also has a cut marks thing that you can. You can check a little radial button or whatever you call those, and then that will actually print the little crosshairs on the eight and a half by.

[00:20:36] Eleven sheets of paper. So where to cut the paper? Once you have them printed, you just cut the like, use a paper cutter or something on the crosshairs and then tape them together and you have a full size set of plans that are taped together. Wow, and it works pretty good if you don’t have access to a full printer. Nice thing about that too, is that’s cheap way to do it. Well, I guess it depends on the kind of printer you have, but most of the time printing eight or 12 sheets,

[00:21:06] Of paper is not all that expensive and then you can actually get an idea for what the plane will look like, real scale, real size. Yeah, because it’s so hard to look on a computer screen and actually kind of understand and get a feel for what it is. So I always print more plans than I end up building or even looking at just to see what it looks like, because after you see it printed full size, you might think: well, I don’t think this is as cool looking, I don’t want to do it, so maybe

[00:21:35] It’s too big to fit in the car or maybe it’s too small I don’t think it’s going to fly well in the.

[00:21:39] Wind or whatever it could be, could be a lot of reasons, and if that’s the case, you can always resize your plans. Oh so, when you resize plans, lots of factors to consider. Yeah, so I guess.

[00:21:53] Especially if you’re choosing one that hasn’t already been resized for you, because a lot of the ones like on outer zone you there are multiple sizes of, especially like popular airplanes, like sticks, let’s say. I mean, goodness gracious, you can download plans that have already been cad drawn and everything for almost any size engine or electric motor that you want.

[00:22:18] To put on one? Yeah, but if it’s something less common? So if it’s something less common and you want to go, okay, so first off, let’s go back to the aerofred website. Okay, you can get your plans printed through them and when you print, you can tell them what scale you want to print it at. So that’s pretty simple. However, you’re going to get the printed plans that aren’t necessarily going to be lined up to the correct size, like spars or something like that they can’t talk about before. Yeah, but let’s.

[00:22:49] Talk about if you want to resize your plan. So you found a plane that you really like. Let’s just say, for instance, it’s like 40 inch wingspan and that’s a little bit too big for you want to go down to something about 32 inch. The math to do this is actually pretty simple. So it’s your new number, so your new wingspan, and then you subtract the old wingspan, so for well, let’s go through the this. I do it first before I give you an example. Okay, so it’s new number or minus the old number, and then

[00:23:22] You divide that by the old wingspan and multiply it by 100.. Okay, so let’s say you have this 40 inch wingspan and you want to take it to a 32 inch wingspan airplane, got it. It is the new number. So 32, 32, subtract the old number, 40, 40, and that takes you to negative 8.. Right, so take your negative 8, divide it by 40, because that was the original number, and then that gives you negative 0.2. Multiply that by 100 gives you negative 20.. So that means you’re going to be downsizing at 20.

[00:23:57] Percent. So to downsize 20, you take 100, subtract the 20, and it’s going to be 80 percent. 80 Percent, yep, and that will give you the size wingspan that you want, right? If you want to go the other way and scale it up, let’s say it’s a 40 inch wingspan and you want to go to a 52 inch wingspan- okay. So you take your 52, subtract 40, to give you 12.. Divide that by 40, because that was your original number, and that gives you 0.3. Yeah, multiply that by 100, 30 gives you 30, 30, so you’re going 30 bigger.

[00:24:30] Than the original one. So when you print it, 130, yeah, I mean that’s, it’s pretty simple, yeah, and that’s a good way to get to like, if you have a car that you can only fit a wing, that’s 40 inches or 45 inches, and you want to, you want to rescale anything to that size. That’s an easy way to do it, right with a caveat. With a caveat of you can’t really go from tiny to huge or huge to tiny. Why is that? That is because structure is going to be different. What do you mean? So if you have a

[00:25:08] Bunch of wing spars or a bunch of wing ribs on a very big white airplane. You’re not gonna just be able to shrink that down and have 16 wing ribs and a one foot wing. Oh, I see what you’re saying. Yeah.

[00:25:20] And likewise, if you, if you’ve got a little 12 inch wingspan airplane that you want to make a 100 inch wingspan airplane out of, and you go to scale it up, well, your little 12 inch might have four, three ribs per panel. Obviously, three ribs is not going to be enough for a 100 inch wings. Yeah, so there’s a lot.

[00:25:39] More engineering. That goes into it. If you’re trying, especially with the bigger difference, yeah. But if you’re just doing a few inches here and there, there’s not much to it. Yeah, so you have to be.

[00:25:50] Careful of standard wood sizes too. Yeah, so what so like if let’s, let’s say, let’s say we’re going to scale up a 25 size airplane up to a 40 size airplane. Well, a 25 size airplane, maybe it uses quarter by quarter inch spars while you go scaling it up to whatever their percentage is, that works out up to a 40 size airplane. Well, maybe those spars on the plans when you print them- unless you redraw them, we’re just talking about scaling them up and down here and printing them without any cad drawing or anything. Yeah, that quarter by quarter spar may turn into some weird size like.

[00:26:23] 7- 30 Seconds by 7- 30 seconds or some weird size. So that’s something that you have to factor in. Obviously we just can’t go to the hardware store and buy 7- 30 seconds in square balsa sparking on for our spars. So you have to, you have to factor that in, so it’s going to require probably a little.

[00:26:41] Bit of redrawing in the cad program. Well, and even if it’s not in the cad program, when you’re building on top of the plan, you’re going to be cutting your own parts anyway, that’s true. So when you cut the, the cutouts for that, you would just change the size, got it? Yeah, okay, so that’s not. I mean, it’s a little bit more difficult to do it by hand, because you want to make sure that you get it centered. You don’t want to be too far forward on some, too far back on the other. You want to be sure that it’s at the same spot. Right, but resizing, it’s not all that difficult.

[00:27:10] Yeah and what is the program again that you use to do the resizing adobe what was that you.

[00:27:16] Said adobe acrobat reader acrobat reader yeah cool right on all right so anything else you want to talk.

[00:27:23] About, well, nothing that I’m smart enough to talk about. I mean, we. I really wanted to do a discussion of why the small airplanes fly differently than the big airplanes, but bottom line is it’s a. It’s a huge aerodynamic question that I’m not qualified to talk about, but just suffice to know that scaling an airplane up or down does not necessarily mean it’s going to.

[00:27:45] Fly exactly like the one you scaled it from well and that kind of makes sense so let’s.

[00:27:52] Like when you’re used to a plane flying the way it flies, it’s because that’s how it was designed. It’s, it’s taken into consideration, the wing loading, it’s taken. All that so when you like, okay, so let’s. Let’s say, I take my cavalier and instead of the whatever 56 inch wingspan- I don’t know if that’s what it is, I don’t remember if- and if I want to make something like a parkfire version and I want to shrink that in half, it’s not gonna fly the same for a few reasons. So when you shrink it in half, you’re actually shrinking the wing in half in two dimensions. So that is going to mean

[00:28:29] You’re actually losing 75 of that wing when you shrink the plane in half. Does that make sense? It’s a version of squaring, yeah right. Yes, that does make sense. So you’re taking it off of two sides. So that’s why the wing actually shrinks by 75 instead of just 50. Instead of just 50. Your weight does not follow that right. So you’re going to have a higher wing loading. Not only you’re going to have a higher wing loading, you’re going to have a lighter plane that is more affected by the wind.

[00:28:59] Right if all things being equal you built it from the same materials the same sizes and.

[00:29:05] You didn’t take steps to make it further lighter. And we’ve said before, the bigger planes fly better. That’s simple. It’s heavier, the wind affects it less and usually with those wing loading is less right. There’s just something about the bigger plane will fly slower, will move slower, will react a little bit slower and be affected by outside forces less right. So yeah, there’s a lot that goes into it that I don’t understand. But when it comes to sizes, that part I can kind of grasp. So

[00:29:39] When you blow something up by two scale, you’re increasing the wing size by four exactly. So, yep, so you’re the benefit of more lived for only half the weight, yeah, gain, I mean. If that’s yeah, that’s how it ends.

[00:29:52] Up working so right, so anyway. Yeah, that kind of is where I really didn’t want to go there, but I’m glad you said something about it because it is it is part of the scaling conversation.

[00:30:05] Yeah, you need to take everything into consideration and it’s if you don’t know, it’s it’s fun to play around. I mean, start with the foamy. Yeah, that’s true, like you can, you can build it and bigger or smaller, and see how that flies. But if you do want to do something in balsa, I would think, if you’ve never done it before, don’t do anything drastic. Yeah, like I said, the 40 to 52 inch, something like that, that’s not a big deal. The 40 down to 32 inch, that’s not a big deal. You’re not going to lose a lot of performance or it’s not going to fly completely differently than

[00:30:37] The original one, right, but yeah, so start small and see how it goes. Yeah, yeah, well, that’s all I got. Yeah, same here, I think, so until next time everybody. Thanks for listening. Yep, I’m Tom, I’m Ron.

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