Ep 26: The Trash Can Telemaster is finished! And Listener Questions…

[00:00:04] Hello, and welcome to RC Plane Lab, a podcast for anyone interested in RC airplanes. We'll share tips and tricks on how to build models and talk about successful flights, epic crashes, and everything in between. Visit us at rcplanelab.com to sign up for our email list and ask us questions. You can also text us or leave us a voicemail at 818-351-9846. Please help us out by rating and reviewing us in your favorite podcast app. Thanks for spending time with us today. Now, here are your hosts, Ron and Tom.

[00:00:35] Hello, everyone, and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I'm Ron.

I’m Tom.

If you hear any rustling in the background—like a blanket, perhaps—I don't know. Tom is an old man, and he is all cozied up in a blanket down here in my basement as we record this.

[00:00:54] So you keep it at 58 degrees or something crazy like that down here.

We keep it at 66 degrees.

[00:01:00] Good, and that is very comfortable.

Well, for you young’uns maybe

Yeah, you're getting old. Your blood's getting thin, I suppose.

Yeah, so I’m quite comfortable here. Thanks,

Well, good. I mean, you look like an Eskimo, but that's all right.

I appreciate your concern. So what are we talking about today?

[00:01:17] We haven’t talked about what we’ve been up to project-wise lately, so I thought we’d give our listeners an update on what we’ve been working on and maybe answer a few listener emails.

That is a great idea.

Yeah, so I'll start. How about that?

[00:01:33] I’m following this episode, so you go ahead and do it.

You’re going to let me lead this.

[00:01:38] I’m going to let you lead this.

You are in for a treat. So, the Telemaster—we've been working on this thing.

[00:01:46] Is that really what you want to start off with?

Well, yeah.

[00:01:50] First, I'm going to start by saying that we've officially named it. It is now called the TCTM, or the Trash Can Telemaster, because that's where it came from.

Uh-huh.

And I am comfortable saying it is done.

[00:02:07] I know you’re not comfortable with that yet, but I’m comfortable saying this is the last time we’re really going to talk about it.

We can talk about it from time to time when we fly it.

Well, yeah, but we're not going to complain about it not running right or anything like that. So, engine number five—

You just jinxed it.

Engine number five is the final engine that’s going to be on there.

Yeah, so let me recap.

Yeah, let’s start from the beginning.

[00:02:32] The beginning. Yeah, so a few years ago a club member passed away and our club was helping them- the family- get rid of the estate and lots of airplanes this guy had. So it was part of the me helping them out. I loaned them a few tables so they could display the stuff and sell it kind of like a yard sale. We invited a few other clubs to let them know we were selling stuff. But anyway, when it was all over and I went back the next day to grab my tables or maybe a couple days later, I noticed in the trash can like literally a big 55 or

[00:03:07] 50 Gallon trash can- a couple of them actually in front of her house as I pulled up, were full of. From a distance they just looked like balsa sticks, like something that might be left over from a kit that you’ve built. You’ve got all the stuff that you punched out, yeah. But then when I got closer I noticed in these two trash cans there were complete airframes in there uncovered, no covering on them or anything like that, but these were apparently were airplanes that didn’t sell in the sale, so she had just literally taken them and stuffed them.

[00:03:41] In these two garbage cans, thrown them in the trash can? Yeah, yeah, so of course I was polite, I asked:

[00:03:49] Asked her if I could have these, remove them from the garbage can. Of course she was happy to let me do that because she didn’t want her garbage guy to have to deal with it. So I took them home and in the trash and one of the trash cans was a complete Telemaster, senior Telemaster. Come to find out it was. It was an old Telemaster, senior Telemaster, ARF, from Hobby Lobby, but complete, complete, I mean, it had everything, no engine or anything like that. But the airframe itself was complete and did not appear to me anyway to have ever been crashed. Yeah, the covering was in a sad state. What

[00:04:20] What covering was left on it?

Well, it was pretty much fully covered, though I don’t think there was much missing.

[00:04:26] I think there was a pretty good chunk missing, maybe on the fuselage.

Maybe I don’t remember.

I don’t remember either, But it was complete and from a cursory look it seemed like it just needed to be recovered, have the equipment installed again and maybe receive a few small repairs.

I think we had to repair the fuselage.

We did. But that's how the Trash Can Telemaster earned its name and how it came to us—via the trash can. Then you didn't have room for it.

Yeah, it’s a big airplane. I forget the wingspan, but it’s over 90 inches, right.

[00:05:01] I think it’s 97 inches now, since we added a couple of things to it.

Right, I think it’s 97 or 98..

[00:05:08] Yeah, it takes up a lot of space. As I've complained many times before on our podcast, I don't have much space to store stuff.

[00:05:13] So you ended up with it.

Correct, I don’t have a lot of space either, but you have more than I do.

Once you brought it out—I think it was 2017 or 2018..

I think it was 2017..

Yeah, because it sat here for a while before we got into it. The covering was in rough shape, and you could tell insects had been in it. There was a hornet's nest.

It did have a hornet’s nest in it.

Yep, a small one.

It was small, but it was big enough—.

[00:05:46] Big enough to concern me.

And big enough that we weren’t removing it.

I was hoping it was an abandoned hornet's nest. Anyway, we tore off the covering and recovered it. There were also some repairs to make. The side of the fuselage had been smashed a little bit. It wasn't anything terrible and didn't look like crash damage. It probably just hadn't been handled well.

Or it wasn't handled well when they threw it away. It was going in the trash can—who cares?

[00:06:18] We got it all fixed up, and then we decided to put an engine on it. That's when our troubles began.

[00:06:23] Everything had been going so smoothly.

Yeah. Between the two of us, we had enough radio gear and got that installed. Then it came time to mount an engine. I had the great idea: “Hey, let's go gas with this thing.” I had an old 31cc Ryobi engine that I had converted quite a few years earlier.

[00:06:42] It had come to me through a trade for a few things or something like that.

Yeah, so it was just sitting there.

It was sitting on the hobby side of my basement not doing anything.

[00:06:53] I remembered that it always ran well after I converted it, so I thought it was a perfect candidate. We mounted the Ryobi 31, and while I was working or something, you had an opportunity to run it.

Yeah, I got it running and tuned.

[00:07:08] It ran well and even started by hand; I didn't need a starter. The only problem was that the ignition system created a lot of radio interference.

Right.

It was fine at idle, but when I went to full throttle, the elevator would go full up and the rudder would go full right or left—I don't remember which. Everything went catawampus, and I knew that wasn't going to work.

Catawampus—word of the day.

Yeah.

Spell that.

C-A-T-A-W-A-M-P-U-S.

Okay, I like it.

[00:07:47] But anyway, so we, we decided then and it really the motor was too big for it. It stuck out like a foot in front of the firewall because it had long standoffs on it because of where the carburetor satin, all that rear exhaust as well. Yeah, and I, I was concerned with that for a few reasons. First off, the firewall had a few holes in it already and we’ll get to that in a minute. And the other thing really I figured we would have a problem with the CG on it right, because we were

[00:08:20] Putting so much weight. I mean that’s a heavy. It is a heavy engine. Yeah, we were putting that so far forward. Right, and not only that, but like when I had it on there, I measured the cowl I would have had to build to put on there I want to say was right around 13 inches. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that’s a long cowl. It would look like a pilotist or something like that. Just that really not bad, but it doesn’t match this plane. Yeah. So because of those two reasons, we decided to go, much to my chagrin, to glow. So I went kicking and screaming and agreed to go ahead and switch over to glow.

[00:08:57] Because you had an engine, you wouldn’t have to buy anything, right? As it turns out, I had several.

[00:09:01] So yeah, engine number two was a SuperTigre 75, which ran great, I think. I still think to this day the prop that I had on it was too small but did not develop as much power as we were, as we were hoping to get from it. It flew around, it flew fine, but you had to fly it pretty much wide open. I.

[00:09:20] Don’t consider that flying fine. I mean it looked like it was just going to fall out of the air the one or two times I saw you fly it because, like, literally, you would go almost to full throttle on the runway and it wouldn’t move. I mean, I swear you had to go up and kick a little bit.

[00:09:34] I’m pretty sure that, yeah, yeah, it was not producing as much thrust as we were, as we were comfortable with yeah, so yeah, we moved on to engine number three, which was an sk 90, which actually ran really good. It was a. It was a good combination. Yeah, had plenty of power, flew the plane around- I wouldn’t say with authority, but it certainly flew it better than the.

[00:10:01] 75. Yeah, with the too small prop on it, it looked like it looked like it was supposed to fly. Yeah.

[00:10:08] And we would have been perfectly comfortable leaving that engine on it done and calling the project done yep dunsies, nothing else. However, you broke it, I broke it, it did I break it, though.

[00:10:21] Really well. Who was flying it? Well, I was flying, so you broke. It broke. So what happened? We may have.

[00:10:27] Mentioned this before, but it actually broke the crank pin on the end of the crankshaft that goes.

[00:10:33] Under the connecting rod in flight. Yeah happened, locked up pretty hard, yeah, so that was engine number three. That plane has had more dead stick landings. By the way, it certainly had more dead.

[00:10:45] Stick landings than it has had power landings. I think we counted two. Oh, it’s had two landings.

[00:10:51] Under power? I think I think so. And then the other, way more than yeah, way more than that, with no power. And I will tell you a couple of those I was very concerned about. Yeah, I don’t get it, I don’t.

[00:11:01] Understand. I mean that thing, floats and floats and floats and floats. I mean, and Reggie, when he saw the last, the last dead stick, said the same thing. He said I wasn’t sure you were going to make it back to the field, but I never, at any time, was I concerned. I had full confidence that the airplane

[00:11:17] Was going to make it back. Really see, I really did. You were, you were so low over the corn when it happened. Yes, and I really think that had there not been that little area in the corn where it was low was low, yeah, you would have been in the corn, you would have hit it perhaps. So to me that’s not plenty of room. If you literally only had like two feet- oh, two feet- to spare, that’s a lot of.

[00:11:39] Room if you could fit another airplane, but never mind. Well, and then so, and I guess that’s a different.

[00:11:45] Engine. But you asked me to flip the flaps, to flip the flaps, you asked me to flip the switch to put the flaps down, and I, you couldn’t remember which switch it was. Well, no, I remembered which switch, but I couldn’t remember if it was up or down for the flaps, because, remember, that switch has to be centered. One way is flaps and the other way is spoilers. I’m not sure why you set it up that way, but I still don’t know why you would want spoilers on it. Well, because everybody, well, everybody, you kept saying: oh, this thing’s gonna be a floater, it’s gonna be hard to land, it’s gonna be you’re.

[00:12:16] Gonna want to take some of that away. If you set your approach up accordingly, you.

[00:12:20] Well, I was concerned, so I went ahead and put spoilers on, but you couldn’t remember if up was up or if up was down. Well, that’s because I’ve never flown the thing yet. Oh well, there’s that, yeah -huh wonder.

[00:12:31] Why? Well, okay, I’ll give that to you. So that was engine number. What am I? That was engine number.

[00:12:37] Three, so engine number four. We got airborne with this one once I think right, no, I think twice.

[00:12:47] Okay, so this was an asp or is an asp 91? So same, roughly the same displacement as the sk the engine.

[00:12:54] That it replaced. Well, now we, we made it out to the field and flew it and then something happened to it, if I remember right, because we was engine related, whatever. Well, it sure was, because we took it home and you took it off the off the airplane and you went home and you fixed it. Oh, that’s right on your test stand, and I don’t remember what it was either. They all go together. I mean, there’s been so many problems with this airplane, especially when you get the two 90s.

[00:13:21] Together like this. But anyway, the asp 91 on the stand at home ran great as good as the as the

[00:13:29] Engine before it and you were so proud of yourself, I mean you, you made a special trip out here just to put: I did that engine on. I did, and I mean we had it running pretty good. So here’s the thing. So

[00:13:42] Ron and I don’t disagree. But Ron wants to mount the engine inverted. I do and I don’t disagree with.

[00:13:48] You at all, because if we mounted it the correct- why I shouldn’t say correct- way, if we mounted it with the engine up, with the cylinder up, yeah, the pilot will not be able to see. Yes, it literally.

[00:13:58] Will stick. It would have to look around. Yes, the engine- yeah, nobody likes that. And besides that, I think it’ll be a much cleaner look. And if as much of the engine as we can hide on this particular airplane, I think the better. Yes, so for that reason we wanted to stick with inverting the engine. And this asp, just on the stand at home right side up, ran awesome, ran, perfect, in fact I almost thought, oh, this thing’s going to be even better than the engine. We just took off of it before it broke. But, yeah, as soon as we got it out here and mounted it upside down, it seemed

[00:14:33] Like it ran good. It gave us enough confidence when we first did it to take it out to the field. That’s what happened. We got out the field and we flew it and of course it ran like crap. And then we brought it back and fiddled with it some more, and so I think we lowered the tank.

[00:14:49] Lowered. Well, no, because we, we flew it like that before you took the engine off and ran it home and then it started dying, that’s right, and we had problems with it. So that was another dead stick landing with it. Yeah, oh yeah. And then, so, yeah, once we got it mounted, when, once you went through it, another set of holes, we have a firewall. Yeah, that poor firewall. But once we got that done and got it out here, we did get it put on, ran it upside down. It was running okay, yeah, so that’s when we got a little cocky, I guess. Yeah, took it out to the field and that was. I think that was.

[00:15:22] A friday- yes, yeah, that’s right. And then, because normally we go out to the field on saturday or saturday or sunday, but it was friday night, it was kind of getting dark and I was like, let’s just go, fly it. Temperature: the conditions were great: yeah, it’s running, let’s go, yeah. So that’s when we went out and you were, you were perturbed. I was very frustrated. Yes, that’s a, that’s a good, that’s, that’s a mild way of putting it. There may or may not have been times when I said:

[00:15:49] Certain words together that are not very nice, and I may or may not have expressed my displeasure with how things were going with this airplane. Well, neither one of us really believe in curses.

[00:16:01] But this plane makes you kind of rethink your position. Yeah, yeah, engine number four here.

[00:16:08] This asp now we’re refuses to run upside down or refuses to run well, I should say upside down or reliably. There we go. Reliably enough anyway to for either one of us to fly at any given time. Yeah, yeah, definitely was rethinking my position on the real or not curses, because this thing certainly seemed cursed. It did not want to perform with any engine on it, it seemed to this point. So enter engine number five, which is, by the way, the engine that I am happy.

[00:16:44] With. We’re back to gas. That is what makes me happy with it. Yep, yep. So this is a dle 20 cc. That’s a perfect fit for the airplane. Yes, it is swings. A 16×8 propeller, yeah, at well, I will say that it runs good right now.

[00:17:03] Well, no, hold on, I don’t want to jinx the project. I know I’m gonna go back. Okay, okay, and it ran good.

[00:17:08] As soon as we like. When we first installed it upside down, I mean fired it up- it fired right up really, oh yeah, once we mounted it. No, this engine. This engine came off of a, a profile plane that I got in a package deal that we’ve talked about before, and I don’t really know much of the history of the engine. I know that it’s been sitting for a long time, right, so I was a little suspect. Before we got started. I was like: well, I don’t know how long this thing’s been sitting. The

[00:17:39] Engine has been dry. I’m sure there’s no fuel in the carburetor, so stuff in the carburetor might be dry, but let’s mount it, put some fuel to it. If it draw- if it, if it will draw fuel from the tank, we’re probably okay. And that’s exactly what it did. Right, we mounted it. Well, before we mounted it, though, you did something to the firewall, right? Didn’t you make a new firewall so we could mount this thing? Was that before we mounted that one? Yeah, because our, we did the blind nuts, we didn’t. Oh, no, you’re right. Yeah, so, yeah, I did. I cut them. Why did? Why did we make a?

[00:18:13] New firewall because of the gazillion holes that were in the firewall. So literally it was swiss cheese. It really was, and I joke. But I’m not exaggerating when I say we, we messed with the, the tank height so much that the hole for the, for the front of the tank, for where the lines come through, was elongated to the point where it looked to me like a sight glass. Does is well, is anybody familiar?

[00:18:38] With the ford edsel, the front grill to that. That’s what it looked like to me. Yeah, yeah, I mean you.

[00:18:44] Could look through the hole, absolutely see the tank and determine how much fuel was in the tank by just looking through the front of the firewall. That’s how many holes and how sliced up this thing was. So Ron did me a solid. He put it. He squared up a new firewall and slapped it on the front with epoxy and painted it up. Real nice. It actually looks really, really good. I complimented you on that.

[00:19:04] Yeah, so we did. We did put the new wood on front, and then I epoxy that on, and the nice thing about that, though, is it did give us the solid place to mount it, yeah. However, we ran it first a few times without the paint, and, oh yeah, on the front sidewall, yeah, or on front of the firewall, because we just I wanted to see if this plane was going to work before we had to do too much.

[00:19:26] Or this motor was going to work before we did too much. So anyway, back to the engine. We, yeah, mounted it up, put fuel in it, it drew, fuel fired right up and it idled, it transitioned. It ran, well, full throttle. We looked at each other. We’re like, yes, we’re there, so let’s go fly it. So we took it to the field.

[00:19:46] And fired it up at the field. Oh yeah, it sounds great, here we go, I’m gonna. I’ll fly it Ron, and then I’ll land it, make sure it’s all trimmed. And then you said, hey, why don’t you? I was in the air. You said, hey, let’s, before I fly it, I want you to try the flaps one more time. I’m like, yeah, cool. And just as I was saying, yeah, cool, I’m on, I’m on approach, for I’m actually on final and the engine.

[00:20:05] Dies, yeah, as I’m on, so yet another. I mean just quits, yeah, like not sputters, nothing like that.

[00:20:11] Just dies, as if somebody had shut the ignition off is almost what it was like. So another dead stick.

[00:20:18] This time less dramatic because I was already lined up for the runway and on my final- yeah, I wasn’t.

[00:20:22] Concerned about that one. Yeah, so yeah, of course, after the landing we get it back to the table and minutes an hour and a half, two hours worth of frustration after that, something like that. Yeah, you, you got pretty frustrated. Yeah, I, I would. There was a point there. I was really ready to return.

[00:20:38] The Telemaster from where it came. I was. I was a little concerned. I think the only thing that made me realize that wasn’t going to happen is because you still had the motor mounted to it. So I wasn’t worried that it was going to get smashed or thrown in the garbage can. Yet yeah, I that thought only crossed my mind after you took the motor off, and then I was like, oh gosh, no, I would. So I can honestly

[00:21:03] Say that I’ve never been so frustrated with a model airplane that I’ve intentionally smashed it or thrown it away or anything like that. I’ve always. I do get frustrated, especially engine number five. Do I need to say how many engines we’ve had on this thing? But I did get super frustrated. But the best thing I can do is what I always do- is just kind of walk away from it, go tinker with something else, help somebody else with their airplane and then by the time I get back to it’s like I’ve got a chance to breathe. Okay, let’s figure out what’s going on with this thing. So yeah, it did get to the point.

[00:21:36] Though, where I did not want to be around you, I thought it was best if I just walked away and let you have your space. And you did, yeah, and I absolutely I was like, nope, we’re not talking to him.

[00:21:49] Tonight I- yeah it was- I was very frustrated, for sure, angry even, I would say. I think the

[00:21:58] Yeah, you, you went past frustrate or frustration to anger and maybe a few other emotions in there also: sadness, maybe, dismay, dismay, I think I. I saw you crying on the floor, doubting myself, doubting.

[00:22:14] My skills as a tuner. Yeah, so yeah. Once I calmed down, took the engine off and called.

[00:22:22] It a night and I think you were, you had flown the superstar. Yes, I, I did fly the trainer, just to make sure everything was okay on that one still, yeah, the front wheel was off a little bit so I had to fix the steering on the steering arm on it. However, didn’t get to fly that one again because it took us so long with the Telemaster that we ran out of light. Yeah, and I had actually taken

[00:22:48] A second airplane out there with me on that day, which is the Cloud Dancer 10, which we’ve, I’ve.

[00:22:54] Mentioned before, and I’ll get to that in a minute. But that was, that was the other thing that made you not too happy, right, because I’ll get to that in a minute, okay. So, anyway, took the engine off the.

[00:23:05] Telemaster and got it home, and the next- I think it was the next night, I had a little bit of time and I had cooled off by then- took the carburetor off, and you pulled the carburetor off when we

[00:23:14] Were there, yeah, but you didn’t have anything to kind of compare it to right and I felt the diaphragm.

[00:23:20] And like a, like a. Like you said, I didn’t really have anything to compare it to, so it felt to me like initially, like oh, the diaphragm seems like it’s okay, it’s nice and soft and pliable and whatever. Yeah, it’s got this kind of a weird hump in it where the, where the vent hole is on the cover, but not enough to restrict its movement, everything, and the screen was clogged and the screen had some junk in it. Yeah, on the carburetor. So got it home, took it apart the next day and had a walbro. Now this is a dle carburetor- that’s on it, but it’s basically a copy.

[00:23:51] Of the walbro. I think it’s a xt 647 or some something like that. But you can make it up. I want no difference, but it’s a walbro copy. Okay, and I had a couple of walbro kits- carb rebuild kits- at home and if anybody’s familiar with those, they come with about a- I don’t know- 5,380 pieces in the kit because they fit and you have to pick the right. They fit a lot of different carburetors but the diaphragm is kind of the same. They’re kind of universal across their line and the diaphragm in that kit, when I compared it to the diaphragm that came out of the carburetor, was there was a.

[00:24:25] A very noticeable difference in how soft the replacement was. The rubber was on it. Yeah, so I rebuilt the cart. What I replaced? All the components of the carburetor with the from the carb kit and, and that made you feel a lot better. It did. It made me feel a lot better, knowing that there was probably something wrong with the carburetor, and not my tuning skills, which makes

[00:24:47] Sense though, because I mean really it wasn’t. I mean it just sounded like it was, yeah, and at the field.

[00:24:52] Another friend of ours, Dave, who’s been in rc hobby for as long as me. He’s also the one by the

[00:24:59] Way. That said, the asps do not run upside down. Yeah, I wish we’d have talked to him a couple weeks before.

[00:25:04] That, yeah, yeah, looking back, that would have been good to seek out his advice on that. That was the.

[00:25:09] First thing he said: you’re like, yeah, we had an asp that was mounted inverted. Oh, those don’t like oh.

[00:25:13] Yeah, those don’t like to be upside down. Yeah, okay, thanks buddy. Yeah, all right, but anyway, he like, when he came over to look at the dle the other night, he went through the same exact steps that I did when I was trying to figure it out too, so that made me feel better. Yeah, as a as a hobbyist that I, I, I kind of knew what I was doing, because this guy here just confirmed it by doing the exact same thing. He’s very talented modeler anyway. So, yeah, replaced the components in the carburetor we came out earlier this evening, put it back on the airplane.

[00:25:46] And it runs like a champ. It right now it runs very well. You’re you’re not ready to call it yet? I’m not. I’m telling you, I don’t believe in these sorts of things, I’m not superstitious, but that airplane, there’s something about it- I feel like if we get it to the field- I don’t want to jinx it right- I don’t want to say it’s good to go and then get out the field and then just the frustration again. So nope, I’m ready. I’m saying it’s out here at your house. We ran it for five, ten minutes at least. Oh yeah, at idle, at mid-range, at wide open. It ran exactly the same at the end of that 10 minutes.

[00:26:23] Or five minutes whatever, as it did at the beginning, and the small adjustments I made actually made slight.

[00:26:29] Changes in how it ran, which is what it’s supposed to do. So anyway, yeah, you’re ready to call it. I want to call it done and ready to go, and I will when next time we make it to the field and you get to fly it. That’s when I’m going to be ready to call it done and actually wash your hands. I’m not going.

[00:26:47] To wash my hands. I’ll still fly it from time. Well, yeah, but it will be your baby, you won’t have to worry about it. I’ll be the one storing it right and flying it whenever you want to. Sure, well, same with you. So because, like I’m, I’m comfortable calling it done because- and here’s why, okay, that motor is really the one I want on it. Yes, so it’s kind of coming back. It’s kind of come back around, which I liked to how I originally was envisioning that plane. It fits better than the original one. It does actually. I mean, it was made for it pretty much. Yeah, it had a problem.

[00:27:21] You called it before we ever put that motor on. You’re like: I don’t know anything about this motor, right, I was not confident from the beginning. Yeah, right, you said I don’t know anything about this motor. The carburetor might need rebuilt. We ran it. It runs fine. I mean we’ve not had a problem with it running, with the exception of the carburetor thing. Right, but really so I’m comfortable calling that plane done now with the rebuilt carburetor. It’s got new batteries in it. It’s got everything in there is set the way it’s supposed to be. Yeah, so I’m comfortable calling that done, okay.

[00:27:54] You can. You can call it done. We will not have that motor off again. Wow, you should not have said.

[00:28:02] That. Nope, I’m that confident we’re good, it is well. I mean, that’s the way it’s going to be, okay, well, I.

[00:28:07] Hope you’re right and once you fly the thing from a takeoff to a landing, when that happens, then I will call it done. Okay, we’ll be on the same page then a couple days. Well, I hope maybe, and we’ll see.

[00:28:21] What the weather is supposed to be. Plus, I have to work this weekend, which is kind of a bummer. But

[00:28:25] Just quit- yeah, I’ll just quit my job, maybe. Maybe we’ll make a career out of the RC Plane Lab podcast. Can you do that? Wouldn’t that be nice? That would be awesome. I’d love to just talk to people all the.

[00:28:35] Time about airplanes and make a living at it. Right, that’d be pretty cool, hey, if for anybody who’s

[00:28:40] Listening. If of a way, or if there’s something we could do to make you want to listen to us forever, let us know. I would love to make a career out of this. Yeah, unfortunately we just.

[00:28:50] Spend a bunch of money, unfortunately, but it’s on the podcast on the hobby, it’s all, it’s all.

[00:28:56] All a wallet. Hey, speaking of spending money, okay, kind of off the topic, but I bought another engine, did you really? Yeah, wait, what’d you buy? It’s not a clarence lee, come on, I know, I know, but I bought. I found a really good deal. I don’t care, I think clarence lee is like what I want to hear about.

[00:29:14] When are you going to send the check into him? Well, no, like really, yeah, so like seriously.

[00:29:22] Stop it. No, like really, when I will, when I don’t know when, give me a date I can’t, I don’t know give.

[00:29:30] Me a date, and for every day, no, for every week. You’ll get the model aviation magazine with your

[00:29:34] Ama subscription. Yeah, I don’t read them, but right, do me a favor. I think clarence lee still has the ads. I think they’re usually somewhere towards the back. Okay, for some reason I’m not getting the magazines. I don’t know if maybe I might have clicked. Don’t send me these, I don’t know, but I’m not getting them, for whatever reason. If you find that ad, take a picture of it or whatever, and send it to me, or if anybody’s listening that knows the ad- I’m talking about the clarence lee engines ad- take a picture of that and send it to me and I’ll send a check.

[00:30:02] Are you? Are you serious? So here’s the thing for every day that you don’t do it, after whatever date you give me, you owe me an airplane every day. An airplane, airplane a day. Let’s make a deal, okay. So by january 1st, I will have sent the check. Okay, by january 1st of 2021, 2021, january 1st 2021. So it gives me a few months, right, six months from now. Yeah, okay, okay, that buys me some time. You’ll airplane, get off my back, I will. Okay, you might be dead by then. Who might be dead? Clarence.

[00:30:38] Lee. Well, I mean, no, that guy’s gonna live forever. Okay, so the next airplane I want to talk about.

[00:30:44] Wait, no, no, hold on. You did say, you bought an engine, what’d you buy? Oh so I bought a, an hp.

[00:30:51] Gold cup 61, which is a beautiful see. I love it. You’re looking at me like looking for a, like a.

[00:30:57] Reaction for me I’m like what I know? You have no clue what I’m talking about. No clue. So these engines? Hp makes printers right, they do. That’s hewlett-packard. Oh, this is not a different packard.

[00:31:08] Engine. Okay, this is an engine. They were made in austria, which is kind of cool. They were all imported. None of them were made here. Yeah, they were. Well, you could get them in several different flavors, if you will. I have the, the black thermex coated one with the gold anodized head and prop hub washer. It’s a beautiful engine and I cannot wait to mount it on a pattern plane, because that’s.

[00:31:28] What they’re made for. Oh cool, I think that’s what they’re made for, but yeah, I’m really excited it’s.

[00:31:33] In really, really good shape. I found it on rc groups where I spend a lot of my hobby money, but I’m really excited about it. I got. It came in the mail yesterday and it’s it’s beautiful. I can’t.

[00:31:43] Wait to put it on stand and fire it up. And so what vintage would this be from? Well, so these were.

[00:31:48] These were probably popular mid 80s, mid eight, early to mid 80s, 82 maybe for.

[00:31:54] 10 From 82 ish to late 80s. Probably that’s when they were imported. So between like when

[00:32:00] I was one to like seven. Sure, yeah, we’ll go with that, but anyway they actually model engine company of america, or mikoa. If you go to the website, they actually still list them on their website. I think they may have bought the company or maybe the rights to the company, which they also own, kmb and a few other- a fox, I think also now- but anyway, if you go to their website you can see this engine on their on their website. Just look for hp, not hb, because hb is on there too. They own them too.

[00:32:33] Oh, that’s different, it is okay. Hb was a german company that was producing engines, of which I have a few also. But anyway, exciting, I love it when engines come in the mail. I get really excited like a, like a kid at Christmas. I like engines really, yeah. So the next airplane? Yeah, the Cloud Dancer 10 project, speaking of engines and tuning and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, the, the day we took the last time we took the Telemaster out, and all the frustration also in the mix with this.

[00:33:04] Little Cloud Dancer and this is the one that I. I did kind of feel sorry for you because you were messing around with the Telemaster, not having a lot of luck, and then, as I was flying my other airplane and stuff, when we were out there, I heard you down with the Cloud Dancer and trying to get it running and stuff and it just kept dying over and over and over again on you. Yeah, so not a good

[00:33:29] Day. So rob at balsa workbenchcom, the guy that actually sent me the short kit, the laser, laser cut short kit for this little airplane. He also had sent me an engine to fly with it, because I didn’t know anything that small at the time. Well, I didn’t know anything that small that wasn’t already on an airplane, so he sent me an engine in os 10 that I couldn’t get to.

[00:33:50] Run. It was very low on compression, which, oh yeah, I mean you can remember, yeah it was. It was about I’ll say there was like no compression. It was yeah, but it was weird because it like came and went. I mean like there were times where you do it and it felt like there was a little bit of

[00:34:03] Something, but then it would just like go away. But so I tried to run that engine on the stand at home and I couldn’t even get it to run on the stand except for like wide open throttle. I mean, that’s about the only and electric starter. I couldn’t hand start it at all. Well, you ran it out here too, for.

[00:34:17] A little bit trying to get it. Yeah, I think I think I did a little bit, but it would only run at like

[00:34:21] Wide open, couldn’t get it to mid- mid. I couldn’t get it down to mid range. It would, as soon as I came off wide open, it would pretty much just die. Yeah, so when we visited a hobby shop that’s local to us, kind of local to us, not local, but within driving distance within a day trip, yeah, within a day’s trip- I found a new in the box mag, I’m sorry, thunder tiger 10, which is kind of more or less a copy of the os 10, which is kind of more or less a copy of the os 10. Sorry, my drink.

[00:34:53] Is empty now. Okay, new in the box, right? So it’s an abc engine which we’ve talked about on the on the show before. They require kind of a different kind of break in. So I’m I’m hoping the issues I had the other night with that are due to that. Have you ran it on your test stand yet? I did, in fact I ran it on the test stand before I mounted it on the airplane. Okay, and it ran awesome on the test stand, but out of the field. But out of the field, yeah, once I got to the field and, like I said, running on the test stand is a little bit different than running it in an

[00:35:26] Airplane you have a different fuel system. It’s not the same fuel tank, it’s not the same fuel lines, they’re not routed the same, the vent line is a different height or the tank is whatever. So some of those changes or those differences might be partly to blame as well. Sure, the engine is full, almost fully cowled, so heat could be an issue, because it did seem to run okay at first and then like maybe, once it got hot, maybe the needle settings weren’t right or maybe just doesn’t want it’s, it’s not broken fully yet, maybe, and the heat is causing, I don’t.

[00:35:57] Know. But yeah, there was some frustration involved. And why do you like this hobby again? Because it’s the challenge. Like when I finally figure it out, I’ll be like: yes, satisfaction, finally I figured it out. Or kind of like the Telemaster engine, engine number five, took five.

[00:36:14] Engines. But by golly we figured it out and I’m calling it done and I’m not, but anyway yeah.

[00:36:21] So I finished the trim. Getting back to what we’ve been up to, I finished, went ahead and finished the trim scheme on the Cloud Dancer and I’ll I’ll put a picture up on facebook today or tomorrow or after the show airs and so people can see what it looks like. It looks really neat, I think. I think it came out really nice. If you’re familiar with what a Cloud Dancer looks like, this looks just like it, only smaller, and it’s hard to tell in pictures of the size. That’s true it is. Maybe I’ll.

[00:36:45] Take another picture, like with my hand on it or something. Oh, that’s. Oh, there you go for.

[00:36:49] Scale, oh sure, but anyway, that day between the Telemaster and that little Cloud Dancer and the engine- woes I was- I was kind of down on myself, honestly. I well, I’ll be honest, questioning whether I knew what the heck I was doing. I was too. I don’t blame you, because two failed attempts right here and then the failures leading up to that with the Telemaster, like does Tom really know what he’s doing? I’m going through my mind thinking, gosh, who else can

[00:37:17] I get to co-host with me because this guy needs to go. This guy’s an idiot. So luckily, a little bit of saving grace, Dave did come over there and, like I said, he, he kind of I don’t want to say.

[00:37:28] Vindicated. But he, he went through the same steps that I had gone through just right before and, yep, so I knew I was on the right track at least. So that was some consolation. But yeah, I was pretty upset with myself and just with the whole situation, with the whole world. I was yeah with everything. But a piece of good news though: the Christen Eagle that I that I had taken to the club flying or the club open house- it was too windy to fly. I did fly that a few days before or the weekend before and it flies great. That was that same. Was that? That was the same night, wasn’t it?

[00:38:02] Yeah, yes, it was, are you sure? Yes, it was the same night that I went out, because you took that one with you and I brought my two airplanes out. I flew one of those, the trainer one, just to make sure it was okay for when I get to take my kit out, you’re right. And then you flew that one. I did.

[00:38:17] Because I had three airplanes. Yeah, I had the Christen Eagle, the little Cloud Dancer, and then I took the

[00:38:22] Sandpiper out there too, which we didn’t fly, of which you only flew that one. Yeah, the Christen Eagle.

[00:38:27] Yeah, well, I flew the Telemaster briefly. Well, yes, you did, but anyway, the Christen Eagle flies, flies, great. A little backstory about the Christen Eagle. It belonged to a club member who, after he built it, he wanted me to test fly it for him. So I, I did, I trimmed it out for him and I’m not sure if he ever actually flew it. No, but I expressed. I expressed to him how great a flyer it was and how I love Christen Eagles and I have kind of a soft spot for biplanes. He ended up giving me that.

[00:38:57] Airplane when he, when he moved, he older gentleman moving out of his house into an assisted living place, very nice old gentleman. To make a long story short, there’s a really long story with that too. You did, I’m sure you’re partly aware of, with the airplane. No, with his living conditions anyway, that’s not yeah, not yeah right, but yeah, he moved into an assisted living and couldn’t obviously take all of his. He had a lot of airplanes, a lot of airplanes. That was his like passion. Yep.

[00:39:26] And he had gotten into the hobby kind of late, I think, in life, so he was kind of making up for lost.

[00:39:31] Time he bought a lot of airplanes and stuff, but because I had expressed how much I liked that airplane, he actually gave the airplane to me when he moved and of course I was thankful and tried to buy it and he’s like, no, he would never take anything for it. Yeah, but unfortunately he passed away here. Yes, he did recently, which is a. It was kind of sad because he’s a very, very nice gentleman, but anyway, so now I have this, this Christen Eagle that belonged to him, that I will now cherish and never probably get rid of. Yeah, because it means

[00:40:03] Something to me, because he was such a nice guy. But the fact that it flies- awesome is- is a great consolation for the loss of him too. So, however, I will say: it’s electric, which is not my.

[00:40:17] Thing your battery, and this thing scares the bejesus out of me. That’s a lot of scaring. It’s a lot of.

[00:40:26] Battery. I mean this thing is a- I had to write it down because I’m not into electric, so it’s a six cell, 5000, 20 something volts. It’s scary to me like that’s like if that thing goes off, I have a.

[00:40:40] Question: you’ve used three cell 5000 milliamp batteries before right. Three cell: there’s one literally right here on the floor next to me. There’s one there. There’s another one, oh, those aren’t mine. There’s another one, no, but I mean, you’ve been around them, you’ve? Well, yeah, but they’re not mine. I don’t charge them and discharge them, oh. So that’s the part that scares you.

[00:40:59] Well, yeah, I mean, having it in my hand is whatever. But like, when that thing is sitting on my bench, like I literally clear my bench for like at least a few feet around it, I charge it on a ceramic tile inside my LiPo safe bag thing that I used to do with the rc cars, sure, because I, I don’t know, I, that’s a huge, in my opinion, that’s a huge battery, and if that thing went off, man, it would take.

[00:41:26] My whole house down. If, if this little 5000 three cells went off, it could do the same thing. It’s it could do the same thing. It is the same. I know, you’re right, it’s twice as much, but it’s the same as these two batteries that are standing. They’re sitting right here. Yeah, it’s twice as much, I’m just.

[00:41:42] Saying: let’s, let’s be rational about it. Well, I, I have irrational fears. I get that. Well, I do too, but anyway I. So I only own one battery for this thing, which is unfortunate because the airplane flies so nice I would want to fly it over and over. So I’m now thinking: great, great planes. They made this thing. They made it for gas or for nitro or electric. So what I’m thinking is, I could convert it to nitro. Yeah, I’ve got plenty of versions. Well, you might need to order another one.

[00:42:09] Just in case, well, I might. That’s actually not a bad idea, and so I know I’m the electric guy, I like electric airplanes and I might regret saying this, but I fully can understand. You’re just sitting over there, big, say it, big grin on your face, say it. I can fully understand the draw of a, of a nitro, but I’m not gonna say that as much as I’m gonna say a gasoline engine, because to me, gas is the best way to go. However, I don’t like the fact that if you have four different airplanes that are electric, you’re

[00:42:44] Going to have four different batteries that you’re going to run with that electric airplane or with each one, so batteries don’t interchange between airplanes very well if they’re different sizes, right.

[00:42:56] Fuel, whether it be glow or gas, will work in any airplane that’s of the same right, powered by the same thing. So that is the part that really brings me more to like a gas airplane for something bigger. What I what I would like to have is airplanes that all run on the same size battery. I don’t think it’s going to happen because, unfortunately, you’re limiting yourself to the same size airplane, right for everything and I. I understand that’s not the best way to do it, but I know I need to buy some four cell LiPos and stuff for a couple different airplanes I have now. Those get expensive. I.

[00:43:28] Know they do, but they’re going to outlast what you have: 25 a gallon in your, in your nitro fuel, or 30, depending where you buy it, or 32 was the last gallon I bought. So I mean, hey, just because.

[00:43:43] You make poor choices and where you buy your fuel, that’s the same place. You bought a gallon. I didn’t.

[00:43:47] Buy a gallon there. I thought you did negative, negative, johansson, oh boy. Well, yeah, so I spent 32 dollars on a gallon of fuel and then what was it? It’s okay because at the time we didn’t know about this other place. Yeah, three weeks later we went to another place and it was 23.99 A gallon, or 22.99 Whatever, but the point is, electric airplanes are still my go-to. I like them for ease, yes, but yes for bigger airplanes, for different size airplanes, I can understand having the same.

[00:44:16] Fuel source for everything. Oh, I got it, and I’ll, and I’ll give you this: I have never, ever been as

[00:44:24] Frustrated with an electric airplane, as I have with nitro airplanes. Oh, absolutely, because electric.

[00:44:30] Just works. It does I don’t, I’ll give you that. But I’m thinking with this particular airplane because the battery is so big and scary to me and expensive. That battery was actually more than I spend on most of my 40 size glow motors.

[00:44:47] I’m just saying, if I convert this to nitro- a 40, a nice good 46- I got a few of those that would be perfect for this- then I could fly it over and over and over and over and over and have no worry about having to spend so much money on batteries. Plus, I could take one gallon of fuel and fly four or five different sizes even of it. Yeah, no, I, I, I understand that. So I’m thinking- I mean I haven’t actually pulled the trigger yet- but I’m actually thinking about converting that one back or not converting it back because it was built as an electric, but converting it to nitro. So I’m just kind

[00:45:21] Of saying: here we’re having all these problems with these engines, maybe if you buy good engines to

[00:45:26] Begin with, we wouldn’t have to worry about it. Well, I feel like when I buy them, they are good engines, they just need a home. Well, but they need to run and I’ve been running them like I’ve. I’ve slowly been going through my engine collection and I’ve got- actually I’ve got- a notebook that I built. I showed everybody the stand that I built, right, I’ve been slowly going through my engines and making nose and things like that and I’ve found more that run good than don’t. So that’s something.

[00:45:51] So the only ones that don’t run well are the ones that happened to land on the Telemaster. Okay,

[00:45:58] Well, that’s just actually, isn’t it? Actually that’s. There’s only one of them that really doesn’t run good, and it only doesn’t run good because it’s upside down. They all run good, like the other one.

[00:46:07] Doesn’t run good right now, especially because it’s broken well right. But I mean it ran good until it broke right and the asp ran good until it didn’t, and that SuperTigre 75 ran good, period. I mean, it just wasn’t enough engine. Yeah, okay, I’ll give that one to you, sure, but I’m, I’m not gonna lie, I’ve.

[00:46:25] I’ve got a few duds so far. I’ve got one that no compression, so I’ve got to try to find a piston sleeve. But anyway, Christen Eagle, good to go. I’m thinking about converting it to nitro. Speaking of flying, I mean we said- I think we may have said it on one of our first episodes- we’d

[00:46:43] Like to do more flying? Well, we certainly have. Yeah, I’m actually happy about that. We, I would say I’ve flown more this year, probably, than the last. Well, especially at the field, I’ll state that right, probably I’ve been out there more this year than I have in the last, like four years combined, I mean.

[00:46:59] Like honestly, sure, yeah, I, I don’t disagree with that statement at all because, yeah, you were not at the field at all for the last few years. No, not really, not even on our january 1st, I think.

[00:47:09] Which was a, which was a tradition for a long time. I think it’s been two or three years since I’ve been out there for that. Yeah, I just I got out of it just because of piper. Well, yeah, I mean that you had a baby. I mean that does it to you? It sure does. You could still fly around the house and stuff every now and then, but it was nowhere near what I wanted to be able to. Quite the same, yeah, yeah, well, no, it’s not, you’re right. I mean I like going to the field and hanging out with the

[00:47:30] Fellas and the camaraderie and I like to tinker, so tinker on my airplane someone.

[00:47:36] Else’s airplane, whatever. Yeah, I, I get that part. What I like is the ability to just go out, fly an airplane and come in and be done. True, I mean, I can literally walk outside, go through a battery, come back in 10 minutes. I mean, I have, I have that opportunity as kind of as well.

[00:47:55] With small electrics, I can go over to the school. That’s not too far from my house- and I can walk there and take an airplane and fly- and I have before- but it’s not the same to me. I like going to the field and the ritual of getting there and setting up your airplane and putting it together, getting it ready. I like that. It’s. It’s the whole dexterity. No whole tactile whatever.

[00:48:17] It is the whole doing something with my hands. Yeah, it’s too much, though I mean really it’s well.

[00:48:22] Sometimes it can be time consuming. Yeah, there’s not enough time in the day, right, especially for you with a young kid and the activities and everything. I’m not in that. I’m not in that position.

[00:48:31] Anymore. So yeah, not as much anyway. So, but yeah, I would agree. Yeah, we’re definitely getting back.

[00:48:38] Into it more than I’m happy about I’ve. I’ve flown more already this year than I did last year, for sure, and maybe for the last couple years myself, which is a good thing. I’m glad to be getting back.

[00:48:48] Yeah, and it’s funny how time just goes by and I don’t remember like exactly what all like when we did what and when we flew, when we did all that. But you’re right, the january 1st thing, like said I, I think I might have gone out a couple times in the last three or four years and not flown anything, but I haven’t flown for probably five or six years. On january 1st, yeah, it’s been a.

[00:49:13] While I mean I, I try to do that every year, even if I’m not active in the hobby, but sometimes

[00:49:19] I don’t make it to the field on january 1st. Yeah, I know. So how about you? You’ve been working on.

[00:49:26] Anything? You got any updates? No, okay, then I cleaned the garage, oh, and, by the way, it looks fantastic. So we’ve been working on the Telemaster in the garage, thank you, and you have it air conditioned out there, which, thank you. That’s awesome, yes, or else I would never step foot in there. But yeah, today I mean, it was like, it was like a completely different garage. What get into you?

[00:49:48] I couldn’t stand it. I mean, there’s just too much stuff out there. We’ve been working on so many different projects and stuff and it just got to the point where I was like no, I can’t. And you built some. And you built some storage racks I did. They’re not what you wanted not. Yet my wife won’t let me put holes in the in the walls. Yet, hey, speaking of wife Ron, and I have been

[00:50:08] Have been tinkering with an idea that I had. I’ll take credit for it that way, if it bombs, it’s my fault.

[00:50:14] But we’re thinking. We’re thinking about having the lovely ladies run an episode of their own. I think that would be fun- or funny at least I think. I think it would be very entertaining and

[00:50:26] I think it would be neat to maybe hear a candid conversation between two wives with husbands in the hobby, to see what the impact is and maybe see what their perspective is. So if you’re a fan of that idea, if you’re listening, hit us up through our all the different ways you

[00:50:43] Can contact us facebook website. Leave us a message. Yeah, if you think that’s a good idea.

[00:50:49] Or something you might want to listen to, let us know. I think we’re going to probably do it.

[00:50:53] Anyway, but if or if you have any questions that you want them to answer, oh yeah, I think that would.

[00:50:59] Be fun? Yeah, I think that would be. Yeah, they could maybe read some listener questions and answer. I think that’d be a great idea. So, like I said, I’ll take credit for it, good or bad, I think it’d be fun e to listen to that and hopefully my. The idea is for us to like: set them up with the- you set them up with the recording- and get all that stuff ready and then we leave. Yeah, get the, get them, give them the do’s and don’ts. Like, don’t be banging against the mic, stand like I have a.

[00:51:31] Bad habit of doing all the time you do, clearing your throat or saying, or all the time you do stuff like I, like I the bad habits that I have, and then, like, once they’re set up, just leave and then that way they can feel free to- even though we’ll listen later, later, but we’re not, they can have that conversation, I think. I think that I think it would be fun. I do too, so I just wanted to throw that out there. That’s something we’re thinking about doing, so if you think that’s a good,

[00:51:54] Idea, let us know. If you think it’s a bad idea, let us know. I mean, we’re- we’re literally here for you, so we’re probably going to do it anyway. Yes, that is true, speaking of being here for you.

[00:52:07] Guys, we have some listener questions and feedback that we want to get to yep. So, Tom, what do you got?

[00:52:14] So the first one we’ll go over here. I apologize, I don’t have a name. Apparently this was a text message between you and this individual and I don’t believe the he or she left a name, right, so if?

[00:52:27] You. If you reach out via text or even a voicemail, let us know your name. Yeah, simple.

[00:52:34] That way we can. That way we can read it on the air and that we are indeed talking about you. So I’ll just read it. It says: hey guys, I really enjoy the podcast. I am up to date, lol. I have a small question about the simple sore from flight test. I had an idea when I saw those huge carbon fiber gliders, so I decided to make a wing twice the size of the stock one. I used the same profile as the regular wing. The only thing I didn’t do is put dihedral. So after the few test,

[00:53:05] Flights. I have good news and bad news. It doesn’t want to stop flying. Well, that’s good news, that is good news. Flying is good. My wing works, that’s the good news. But, however, it won’t turn. So I installed 24 inch ailerons- that’s a lot of aileron it is, and it still won’t turn. He says so, what can I do to make it turn? Should I put dihedral at the wing tips or make a new tail? Thank you very much in advance. So it kind of goes along with scaling up, exactly so he. He went with a.

[00:53:38] According to the message, a wing that was roughly twice the size of the original.

[00:53:42] And he sent pictures. So it’s twice the width. So he didn’t expand or extend the cord, okay,

[00:53:49] But he did expand the wingspan. So more span okay, but he did not enlarge any part of the tail.

[00:53:55] No control surfaces on the. The rear end of the plane did not get enlarged, so in the in the pictures.

[00:54:00] That I saw in the in the conversations that we’ve had it. I would me personally, I think I probably- if he enlarged the tail, give himself a little more vertical area and certainly more rudder. I think that would. That would certainly help his problem. Yeah, so if you’re, if you’re gonna you.

[00:54:17] Know, double the wingspan of an airplane, it is going to make it glide better, but usually when you do that, I would also expand the cord to match. We talked about before when, when you’re shrinking plans or when you’re blowing up plans like doubling the size of a wing- not just the wingspan, but actually doubling the size of a wing- will increase the lifting area by four. It’s once again squaring and all that kind of stuff, right. So math, math, it works out fine, but anyway. So the easiest thing to do, I think, instead of just making it wider, if you really want.

[00:54:50] To make it turn, make it behave about the same way as the other one did, just maybe fly a little bit slower because it’s going to be a little bit lighter. Double everything right. So literally make it twice as big of an airplane. That means a fuselage is going to be twice as long rudder or the- yeah, the rudder is going to be twice as big. The whole control surfaces will be twice as big, and it should.

[00:55:10] Fly wonderfully. That way it should fly. Very similar, somewhat similar, I’ll say, to the original, but probably better, probably better because it’s bigger. Yeah, bigger is better, bigger usually, bigger usually flies better. So if- if I apologize, like I said, I don’t know the name, but if you’re listening, let us know where you’re at, because I think the communication sort of dropped off and never really got any kind of resolution on whether, if he tried a bigger tail or she, if

[00:55:37] They tried a bigger tail or no, it was a he, because he sent me pictures of him with a couple of airplanes.

[00:55:42] So if, yeah, if he had a, if he tried a bigger tail and that worked, I’d love to. I’d love to know. Yeah, so if he’s out there and you’re listening, yeah, send us an update, that’d be, that’d be awesome. Very good pictures. Pictures are we do. Like picture, I like pictures, I like seeing other people’s airplanes and it’s like airplane porn. If I could say that I love looking at nirvana or

[00:56:04] Whatever. Yeah, there you go. So I will admit, though, my stupidity. When it comes to, once again, the flight test stuff, I’m not familiar with them, so when you ask questions about flight test stuff, we’re not really going to give you an answer straight on flight test stuff, because I, we know we’ve never built any flight test airplanes. So really we’re kind of learning with you guys exactly because, like the way he built the wings and stuff on that we- we had a discussion about that texting back and forth. I had never heard of or built wings that way. It’s actually a good idea. Yeah, it’s neat, it’s.

[00:56:39] Actually a neat idea: simple, quick. If you want to prove something, you can do it quickly with these. The way they build stuff it’s kind of neat. It’s just not something I’m familiar with. So yeah, bear with us when you ask us. If you ask us questions about flight test stuff, we’ll be happy to look into it, but just know that’s not our expertise. Yeah, there you go, but the stuff is neat. I will say some of the stuff they do is. It’s pretty entertaining. All right, so the next one, neil ryan’s from limerick- hope I’m pronouncing that correctly- Ireland. He says limerick.

[00:57:13] Maybe limerick, maybe I don’t know, but Ireland, cool Ireland. Yeah, he says a great episode, gents.

[00:57:19] I like that. I do too. Makes me feel royal. Yeah, regal, not royal regal. I cannot remember the last time.

[00:57:27] Someone called me a gentleman, which is well, there’s probably a reason for that, maybe? So he asks: would you use one receiver per plane or switch receivers between plane reason? I’m asking as a beginner. I have one transmitter, a fly sky I6, plus one receiver, and apply sky chinese copy. I’m I’m assuming that his one receiver is the chinese copy. He says: I know, but it works. I think he’s referring to the comment I made a few episodes ago about not going with the chinese.

[00:58:01] Copies on the electronics, but I still don’t have a problem. So you’re fine. Yeah, and it depends on the airplane. Today, in today’s world, it’s hard to avoid it, I mean. And the cost?

[00:58:13] Difference. But anyway, he says he has three models and he switches one receiver between the planes. He says: should I have one receiver per plane and rebind before each flight? Thanks, so, neil. I think we’ve we’ve already answered you via email, but I’m gonna go ahead and go over this for our

[00:58:29] Listeners. Oh, I think I understand now. So when he says, rebind before each flight, yeah, because it’s a different airplane, well, but the transmitter will only do. Well, the transmitter will only do one receiver, then, assuming it’s not like a, not like it has model memory, yeah, okay, I’m assuming. That’s what I’m kind of assuming. Yeah, I’m a big fan of not switching out electronics between airplanes, between flights only, and you can do it, that’s fine, if, if, if it’s a money factor, if it’s.

[00:59:00] Something like that. That’s fully understandable, but I’m lazy. I mean that’s that’s. That’s the basics. Yeah, it’s no. I guess that’s that’s the biggest thing that keeps me from wanting to do something like that between planes that and, to be quite honest, you could miss something. It’s a lot easier to do something incorrectly in the wrong slot or whatever, and I know pre-flight should check all.

[00:59:23] That and you should catch it. But things happen, as I have proven. Sometimes you miss the.

[00:59:28] The pre-flight. Yeah, as much as you preach it, you still didn’t do a pre-flight. But and I crashed. You did that. That’s what happens, right, exactly. But no, it’s easier, in my opinion, to have one receiver per airplane and not switch them out. It is, I understand, that it especially as you get into.

[00:59:47] More and more airplanes, the more addicted you get to the hobby. It becomes cost prohibitive to put a receiver in every airplane and there are certainly ways that you can set your airplanes up to make switching between airplane easier. For instance, if you set every airplane up the same, the throttle servos go in the same direction to run the throttle or esc or whatever that servos in every airplane goes the same direction to move the elevator up and things like that. You can. You can do things to minimize the amount of times or the necessity, if you will, of

[01:00:23] Rebinding for every airplane. Like if you have two airplanes- maybe they’re different airplanes but they’re set up identically so that the servos move the same directions to accomplish the same task- you could theoretically put a receiver- the same receiver- in either of those airplanes and the receiver doesn’t know which airplane it is. All it knows is what inputs it’s getting from the transmitter. So if you have the airplane set up mechanically similar, you could put a receiver in either one of those without binding it to that particular airplane. Yeah, so this kind of goes back.

[01:00:52] It’s a lot of work. Yeah, this goes. This goes back to what you were talking about before, about setting your airplane up correctly, right? So if you have everything set up correctly on your throws on all your control surfaces to where zero is zero, yes, when you’re actually centered on that servo, then your control surfaces are centered also and you don’t have to use any trim. Right? Sure, you can go back and forth between them. I still wouldn’t necessarily want to take the receivers out of

[01:01:16] Every. No, I agree, I’m. I’m not suggesting that. I would rather do that. I’m just saying if, if money is an issue and you can’t afford receiver on planes that might be similar, such that you could set them up mechanically identical, you could potentially save yourself the cost of an extra receiver by going that route and then just swapping the receiver back and forth. Right, but I don’t recommend it. No, for the for the reasons that you mentioned. You could miss something when you unplug and plug stuff back in, not to mention the wear and tear on the pins on the actual receiver.

[01:01:48] Itself. Yeah, that would concern me too, because I actually have a few receivers to where that or the outside plastic case on them is broken. Yes, I mean they still work fine, yeah, but I know.

[01:01:59] The receiver you’re talking about too, because I think I made a comment about it. You did well.

[01:02:02] Of one of them. There’s another one too that actually is broken like that, but they are ones that I got, not new. They came on airplanes that I had already had a minute and that kind of stuff. And yeah, you just, you never know, and the more you, the more you mess with things, the more it’s possible to get a messed up. Right, it’s just, it’s it’s easier to leave your airplanes the same. And if you have to rebind, if that transmitter does not do multiple model memory- which I’m not familiar with those, yeah, I’m not either- then, yeah, rebind each time would be what I would.

[01:02:35] Suggest: yeah, but leave all your yep. I shouldn’t even say that if you can make it to where you can get one, that doesn’t have to be rebound every time. What you gain with that- even though it’s going to be more money- is that you don’t have to retrim your model every time you fly- oh, you mean with a receiver.

[01:02:53] In each, in each one. That’s what you’re talking about. Well, I thought didn’t he say something about?

[01:02:57] Leaving a receiver in each one and then just binding it like rebinding it when he, when.

[01:03:03] He says he has three models and switches receivers between planes. He said would, should I have one?

[01:03:08] Receiver per plane and rebind before each flight question mark. Yes, so one receiver per plane. Yes, that’s ideally the way to do it. But if you have the, the transmitter that doesn’t have to, or that has the, the model memories on it, then you can just switch between them. Yeah, yeah, did I make that clear enough? I think so. I think so. Well, I understand what you’re saying. Nobody else might, but I don’t know. Well, it makes sense to us. So if there’s questions again, text us or email us or

[01:03:38] Call, even reach out however you want, however you ever you want to hit us up on facebook. I mean, I’m fairly active on facebook. That’s the one media that I feel like I can actually contribute to our.

[01:03:49] Little endeavor here. Yeah, if you want to talk to Tom, facebook’s the way to get in touch with them.

[01:03:53] But, neil, thanks for thanks for emailing us. Hopefully we answered. We were able to answer your question and hopefully you’ve found a resolution and are flying happily, yeah.

[01:04:06] Enjoy your flying in the Ireland. Yes, okay, our next message comes in a couple forms from James Culotta. The first one he sent us was through our website and it says: hello, RC Plane Lab podcasters Ron and Tom, I’ve been catching up with your recent cast and thought to provide some comments and questions, a potpourri, if you will. So his first question is: how do when it’s time to change a glow plug or if your glow plug is getting weak? He also says- and I’ll just kind of glance over some of this stuff- he says I’m, I’m not a foamy. I see the foam he’s fluttering.

[01:04:40] Around the sky like a butterfly or a bat out of hell and it’s not for me. He says I feel his pain. Yeah, he says I like planes point of view yeah. Yeah, he says I like planes that fly, not hang, the planes that shatter when they crash. Wood baby, not bounce. This is foreshadowing for anybody that knows english literature. But hey, I have no problem if people like the foam to each their own. He said: like you, I greatly appreciate majestic takeoffs and smooth as glass landings. It takes practice but oh, what a joy to see. Takeoffs and landings are where the finesse is and the best.

[01:05:13] Part of flying. To me the in-between stuff is cool also, don’t get me wrong. So we also got a message from him that says: I just recently sent you an email from your website contact page but I guess I cannot add pictures. So he sent us a picture of an old 1980 or 1980 trainer that he mentioned that he built and restored a few years ago when he wanted to get back in the hobby. He said he couldn’t remember the make and model. Maybe you do and I know you had some time. You had some conversations with me. Yeah, james and I went back and forth a little bit on that, I think.

[01:05:44] You figured it out. We did the end, yep, but he says so. After I restored it by fixing some hangar rash to the wing, recovering wing and yellow and cleaning up the engine. I was ready for my new maiden flight after being out of it for 30 years. 30 Years out of it and gets back in. I love that. I know that’s awesome, isn’t it? Yeah, long story short, it was a success and the plane flew like or flew like a dream, had several flights over many weeks until its demise. That’s the foreshadowing I was talking about. So on its last flight, I was heading down for a fast flyby and the left wing began to flutter.

[01:06:18] Hey, we talked about that just recently -huh, and how dangerous it could. Be dangerous, that is before.

[01:06:24] I could react in any way. The left wing exploded into splinters and the plane dove into the runway at full speed at about a 70 degree angle, hitting on the aluminum spinner, shattering the engine and everything behind. Oh ouch, oh, what sorrow. Yeah, I feel your pain. Yeah, basically, he says I think it came apart because the old glue over the years became brittle and the airframe could not handle the stress. I was hitting it pretty hard and having great fun screaming around the sky, but in hindsight that crash was my fault. My, as I say, brain went stupid. That’s a great quote from someone I know.

[01:07:02] Yeah, that I’m looking at right now. Who’s that? He says I should have known better than to push that old plane around so hard. This is why I want to build another. So if you can recognize a model, please let me know. Pictures are attached and so on and so forth. Thanks again, gentlemen. Keep up the great podcast.

[01:07:19] Yeah, so james and I went back and forth quite a bit. I made a couple of suggestions of what it was and eventually we came to the conclusion that it was a barnstormer 25e from ok model or whatever it was called after that. But yeah, hopefully. He said he found one on, I’m presuming, ebay or one of the other sites- said he was going to build. Hopefully he’s building it now or he’s flying it hopefully. Yeah, if you have an update, let us know. But yeah, well, that was a. It was a great.

[01:07:47] Conversation, so he touched on a couple things. First off, let’s get to the how do when your glow.

[01:07:52] Plug is bad, oh okay. So the biggest telltale- for me anyway- is usually when a plug goes bad, they don’t just kind of taper off and then finally go bad. They were either good or they’re bad normally. So usually what will happen is you’ll have an engine that’s running great one day and you get to the field and it either won’t run at all or it won’t respond the way it’s supposed to needle changes, things like that. That’s usually the first indicator. Or perhaps it will only run.

[01:08:19] If it’s powered by the glow plug igniter. Exactly, that was good what I was going to say.

[01:08:23] Next is: if I stole your thunder, that’s okay. When, when you have the glow plug igniter on to start it up and it runs fine, and then when you pull the igniter off and it immediately dies.

[01:08:31] That’s usually another good indicator: that’s time to replace the plug. So the other thing he brought up that I guess I never thought about when he said that: oh, what was it about? The glue over the years became brittle, brittle and the airframe could not handle the stress. So is that a thing I mean like the only reason? I really am kind of concerned about that one, now that I wasn’t before we talk about the Telemaster, we talk about some of these other planes that we have had for years, for years and years, and obviously the Telemaster was an ARF we didn’t put it together.

[01:09:03] I don’t know really how the glue joints are. We had it apart and it didn’t seem like there’s anything loose, right, but how much of a worry should that be for us? It can be. It depends on the

[01:09:16] Glue that was used. Some glues hold up better over time than others. I’m by no means an expert, but usually epoxy is good to go for millennia. I mean epoxy is. It’s very tough stuff and will last a very, very long time. CA kind of the same thing. If it was assembled with CA, that CA soaks into the wood and becomes a part of the airframe essentially, which is why it’s so hard to sand. So the one

[01:09:47] That I would worry the most about over time is aliphatic resin, which is basically the liquid base or water-based wood glues, the yellow glue, stuff like carpenters glue, okay, and even.

[01:09:58] Then, if it’s a, if it’s a good fitting glue joint or if it’s a joint that was not overly saturated with glue, because too much glue is almost as bad as not enough glue. Honestly, like if the glue in the corner is just if there’s so much of it there and it’s just globbed on top and it and it and it like kind of skin- I’m talking about the, the wood glue now- and it kind of skins over, it doesn’t really get a chance to really soak into the wood before. It’s just this big glob sitting on top of the wood, not really contributing to the, to the strength of that particular joint. So of all,

[01:10:32] Of the adhesives out there, the liquid based or, I’m sorry, the water-based wood glues are the ones that I would have the most concern over. But we had a really good opportunity to look that airframe over and we handled it quite a bit, especially when we were taking the covering off on the Telemaster. We were really yanking on it and we didn’t pull anything loose really.

[01:10:57] So I really wouldn’t be worried about the glue joints glue joints any more than I would be worried about the condition of the balsa. Balsa over time dehydrates. Right. There’s a little bit of moisture in balsa, believe it or not, even though it looks dry and you work with it and it stands fine. There is actually a little bit of moisture in the, in the fibers and the and the cellulose of the of the wood or whatever. That actually lends some resiliency to it over time. When that dries out it does become brittle. So if you, if you’ve got an airplane that maybe has been stored in a dry

[01:11:30] Climate for years and years and years and years and never been introduced to any kind of moisture, just sort of I don’t want to say. What is it when you rehydrate it? Thank you to rehydrate it, but going in and out of dry and humid environments is better for balsa than leaving it in a dry environment forever. So my biggest concern over older airplanes is the condition of the balsa, more so than the glue joints, especially if it’s an airplane that I’ve put together, because usually I’m fairly confident in my glue joints. So but yeah, that certainly.

[01:12:06] Can be a concern for older, especially older airplanes. So I mean, would you, would you really like, would you want to re-glue, like hinge joints and anything like that, because I, I know we rehinged.

[01:12:20] The Telemaster, yeah. So when I’m- yeah, when I’m looking at an old airplane, like if I’m going to go to a swap meet, I’m looking at an airplane that’s clearly been around for a long, long time before I buy it, I’m going to look it over really close, like I’m not going to try to pull the control surfaces off the thing, but I’m going to give them a little bit of a tug and maybe get- if I can take the wing off whatever- and get a close look of the, of the quality of the joints, the mating surfaces inside. Where are they good joints or there’s big gaps in them that are just filled with globs of glue. That’s not usually a very

[01:12:53] Strong joint. But even so, I mean, I think honestly, I think james’s issue with the, with the, with that original restored trainer of his, was more of a flutter problem, I think probably than.

[01:13:08] Than the condition of his, his glue joints or the or the shape of the balsa wood, because he did send.

[01:13:13] Us, the, the crash pictures and, from what I can see in a in a grainy, a cell phone camera looked like his. It was pretty well constructed and it was probably an r from this okay model which were fairly good quality rs back in the day. So I think probably maybe just a little bit too fast and maybe here maybe some flutter happened, maybe there were warning signs, maybe that he didn’t catch. But I think the demise of his airplane was really more due to flutter than

[01:13:39] The age of the airframe or the quality of the glue joints, and flutter can happen very quickly, and I mean you can. When it happens, it can be there’s nothing before you notice it. Yeah, yeah and it doesn’t.

[01:13:50] Necessarily reflect either the quality of the build or the style of the flying. Flutter can happen. I mean, there are things you can do to minimize it, but when it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen and there’s nothing you can do about it. Yeah, a hinge, a hinge joint that maybe is not sealed or maybe a little bit too big, is cause for flutter. Loose connections onto the servos. We’ve gone over what can cause it on a previous episode, but in this particular case I’m more inclined to think that flutter was the demise, more than more than the condition of the

[01:14:25] Airplane itself. I wonder if he had- I don’t think he said in there- if he put new servos and stuff in, because I wonder if old servos might have had a little bit of a contributing factor.

[01:14:35] To it also. James, if you’re listening, let us know. But I don’t think he indicated whether he put new radio gear in it or not. Okay, but certainly if he had old servos, maybe that could have been a.

[01:14:45] Contributing factor too. Yeah, and speed has a lot to do with flutter too. Oh yeah, I mean, the faster you go, it goes up exponentially. Yeah, the faster you go, the more air that’s going over it quickly and that will that will add to it, yeah. So what else you got? Okay? So this came to us via the.

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[01:15:13] That’s what it’s there for. Sometimes we put pictures there. It’s been a while for some people pictures there, but most of the time I’m putting them on facebook. But anyway, yeah, Gary Gilbert says: hey guys love the podcast, look forward to it every monday at work. Y’all have made these pandemic mondays a bit nicer. I love the y’all. Y’all, yeah, yep. Well, and you’ll see why I too am an essential employee building c-130. J’s down here in marietta, georgia, nice y’all. His question is: how do you determine CG on an airplane if you have no data, such as a scratch built airplane or an airplane?

[01:15:49] You can’t find the data on. Thanks again, guys, Gary Gilbert, trial and error. Well, that’s not the best way there are. There are calculations you can. You can use. I myself am kind of a 30 MAC guy, which means 30 of the mean aerodynamic chord. There are literally hundreds of different cool, little easy to use calculators. If you just Google, find CG or mean aerodynamic chord or whatever, and I and I

[01:16:20] Hooked gary up with one that I like to use. I can’t remember it off the top of my head, it’s on my saved searches on my computer. But it’s a calculation based on basically the, the wing area, and I think it has the, the, the weight of the airplane moment arms, and how far away the most weight is from the from different positions on the airplane. But generally speaking it’s it’s about on a, on a square wing, on unlike like what I would call a hershey bar wing.

[01:16:52] It’s usually a third of the way back roughly and if you have a, a kit or something like that, it’s usually right near the main spar. Not always I mean tapered wings, they usually right, but you.

[01:17:05] Know, tapered wings add kind of a complexity, or delta wings- if it’s a delta wing, they add some stuff, weird stuff too. But if you can’t find data on it, if you can’t find, like, if you don’t have the instructions or the plans, or if it’s something that you’ve designed yourself, there’s some really great calculators out there. I’m I am by no means an aerodynamics expert, I wouldn’t even call

[01:17:25] Myself an aerodynamics enthusiast. I mean, I know just a little bit about it, enough to get on Google and do.

[01:17:31] The search. But yeah, 33, 30 to 33 percent of the mean aerodynamic chord is usually where I go and that usually almost always falls at a convenient spot right there by the fuselage, where the

[01:17:44] Manufacturer has put the spar- usually yeah, so it’s kind of designed into them. Yeah, but that

[01:17:50] Was a question from gary. I hope he’s still building c-130 jays down there which I had an interesting conversation with him. I will c-130 crew chief, so he builds airplanes that I sometimes crew chief.

[01:18:02] On, which is kind of cool. I don’t know what that means, but good for you guys, yeah, so yeah, I’m crew.

[01:18:09] Chief in the in the aviation world is the guy that basically kind of oversees the maintenance, the day-to-day maintenance on that particular airplane, makes it ready to fly every day and does inspections at the end of the day and does through flights and things like that, so you don’t physically

[01:18:24] Do anything me. You just take the paper and give it to the person to give it to the next.

[01:18:30] Person. Yeah, oh, basically okay, no, that’s not true. No offense to any crew chiefs that are out there. We are usually the dirtiest folk out there on the flight line, really. You actually get out and do stuff. Well, I don’t. But so I’m at a point in my career where I- I’m not as you say, I’m old right. So when you get to be I don’t, I can’t believe you’re not retired. When you get well closer than I used to be. So when you get to be my age, you usually are. Are not the guy out there performing the?

[01:19:04] Maintenance and I’m in a unique position where I work, where we obviously we don’t have airplanes here where I work. So, yeah, I get to go do it occasionally at a place where they do have airplanes, but most of my work is computer work. Yeah, yeah, so you tell poor little paul to go.

[01:19:21] Tighten that nut or take that off and look at it and send me a picture. Even, yeah, even then I’m

[01:19:27] Not telling paul to do it, I’m telling paul’s supervisor. That’s what I just tell paul to.

[01:19:35] Oh, redundancy. Yeah, yeah, that’s well, that’s that’s government work for you. Yeah, so.

[01:19:41] Next is Aaron- I believe this was a text message, looks like okay- said he has a question about what he should do as he gets back into the rc plane hobby. So a little backstory. His first plane he built in 2002, flew it a few times, crashed in his backyard and then he didn’t stick with it. I kept all of his gear though. So here we are. Quite a few years later he dug out his gear and come to find out all of his gear is old. He has an old FM radio and a gas engine which is a.

[01:20:17] Nitro engine in this case, and he says he was a little bit dismayed because everybody’s flying electric. Now what should I do? Should I keep all my old stuff to save the cost? Is it still relevant or

[01:20:26] Should I just switch over to electric? Well, my thought might be a little different than yours. Well, you are the electric guy. Well, okay, then I’m gonna surprise you. I’m also the cheap guy. You are the cheap guy, that’s for sure. If he doesn’t know if he’s gonna stick with it, if he doesn’t know if he really wants to become, like, dive headfirst into it, stick with what you have. Yeah, spend the 23 to 32, whatever it is, on a new gallon of fuel.

[01:20:57] Depending on where you live, apparently, which hobby shop you go to. Yeah, use the radio gear you.

[01:21:02] Have and just fly it a few times. Yeah, there’s absolutely no reason not to trust that. That old FM radio. Back in the day FM radios were the cadillac. I mean, you had an FM radio. You were that much better than the am radios we were using that time at the time. The only, the only suggestion I would have would be to update the batteries in the transmitter and in the airplane. Yeah, make sure.

[01:21:23] They work. But I mean that’s go over everything. Make sure everything is still tight on the airplane, make sure the covering isn’t coming off, make sure the joints are still good, kind of.

[01:21:32] Like we just talked about going through it. But yeah, he did mention that it’s a SIG Cadet LT-40 which is a fantastic trainer. So I- me being the nitro guy and balsa guy and non-foamy electric guy- my suggestion was to, yeah, update the battery in your airplane and your transmitter, fire up that old- I’m assuming it’s probably going to be a, a 40 size motor of some kind- and go fly. I mean, like you said, especially if- if you’re not sure if it’s, if you’re going to.

[01:22:04] Stick with it, just fly what you have. And, yeah, I think one of the other suggestions I think you may have mentioned was to try to find a local club. Yeah, that’s, that’s the best thing if you’re, if.

[01:22:15] You’re not sure about it only because somebody else can help you not crash your plane exactly.

[01:22:19] Yep, I mean that’s. There’s no better way. In my opinion, there’s no better way to develop a lasting endeavor into the hobby than to be introduced to it by somebody who has been successful in the.

[01:22:33] Hobby, if that makes sense. And on the flip side of that, there is no better way to get yourself out of the hobby than by flying something without knowing how to do it and crashing it and being like, okay, I’m done that, I can’t do this. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So a success will breed more success. Yep, yeah.

[01:22:49] That’s that, that’s absolutely true. So anyway, that’s. Thanks, Aaron, for getting a hold of us. Hopefully we answered your question and if there are others out there in your situation,

[01:23:01] Hopefully that helps them too. Yeah, anything else, or is that the end of it? That was, that was the last one I had. Well, that was fun. It was fun. It was like it was nice to kind of get back to just

[01:23:12] Talking, yeah, yeah. So hopefully you guys and girls that are listening, if you have stuff you want us to talk about, as always, hit us up on facebook or on the on the. Contact us on the.

[01:23:26] Website or, however you do it, on the telephone text message. If you have questions, we’ll try to.

[01:23:35] Answer them. Or if you have updates on questions that you’ve asked already and we’ve talked about, please send us pictures. I love pictures, absolutely. Anything else you want to talk about?

[01:23:45] That’s all I got, well. Thanks everybody for listening. Until next time. I’m Ron and I’m Tom. Good night, are you gonna say good night? Oh yeah, good night. We hope you enjoyed this episode of the.

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