Ep 149: Strip – Repair – Repeat

[00:00:01] Hello everyone and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast, the delayed edition. I’m Ron, I’m Tom and I’m dave. Howdy gentlemen, we’re late, it’s okay, it happens first time. It’s happened. Well, we had.

[00:00:24] Several things against us this week weather was one thing covid was another thing well I guess.

[00:00:31] That’s really it for you guys. So yeah, as you said, my wife ended up getting covid this week and was sick, so she has been hype. Don’t look at me like that. Yes, I still, because I’m not at my house. We’re at tommy’s house, so I’m still gonna have things come through on my phone just to see. It’s okay, but anyway, so crystal was pretty much okay. I guess maybe that’s a lot. Did you just send me something?

[00:00:58] No I didn’t okay I turned mine off because you used to yell at me for that I know it’s do as I.

[00:01:06] Say not as I do right hold on how do I get that there we go we’re on I gotta say vibrate it’s.

[00:01:11] Nice recording in my house I like this I’m sure you do so let me get back to my story right quick.

[00:01:17] Sorry, thank you, it’s a little warm in here. I’m taking my jacket off. I think it’s comfortable down here we are at my house. So anyway, yes, crystal had covid. She was holed up in her room all week so I had to do everything. She said you were a real trooper too. She was very appreciative of all the stuff you did for her. Well, no, I mean, like honestly, that’s just one of the things that took up time and all that. The other thing: we’re actually moving my mom in with us now, since my

[00:01:50] Dad died. She’s been with us quite a bit, but we’ve been doing a lot of organization, yes, stuff, yep, to kind of get ready for it. So I don’t, we don’t need to get into it too much, but one of the things we are doing is tearing out one of our showers and putting in a walk-in tub. Oh, have you started that project? Well, oh, okay, all right, sorry, there lies the issue. Yes, I started enough to where it’s no longer showerable -huh, and then crystal got sick right, which I didn’t want to tear.

[00:02:24] Into it more and we’re not using that other bathroom. We just let her have that one as her own little right stuff. That way she can get sick over in there and not have to get us sick. So, unfortunately, because I spent 15 minutes getting ready to tear out part of the surround, we can no longer use that shower, just the way it happens. Yeah, that explains a lot timing. Yeah, no, I showered before I came, like I figured you guys wouldn’t want to be around me if I didn’t, but anyway. So, yes, that’s when we started on. Then we also ordered a new like vanity, and

[00:02:58] Stuff for our other bathroom that she is now holed up in and we got it in finally after a month and it.

[00:03:04] Was all scratched oh no so we had to return that is it like a granite top or something or what kind.

[00:03:10] I don’t even know what it is. It’s whatever she picked out. It’s some plasticky top, but it’s where it’s all molded in the same way. Yes, like the one we have in the other bathroom is a granite top. It has a separate sink underneath. I don’t like that. Okay, I like the one piece gotcha. So it’s some whatever, but the wooden base that we got had big scratches on it and stuff. That’s unfortunate. So we now have all of that stuff in the dining room because there’s no place to put it along with all the other stuff we’re trying to move in and out, plus crystal being sick. So it’s just been a nightmare of a week, but it’s okay. But now we’re recording. Now we are at your house, at my house.

[00:03:47] Which it’s been a while which was a challenge yeah it really was we had to move the table and.

[00:03:52] We found there’s some weird electrical thing in my basement, right, that was feeding back, giving feedback. I mean, we’re literally less than 10 feet from where we started. No, there’s no noise now. It’s weird. It’s okay. What else? What’s going on? Yeah, so first time in almost four years, by the way, almost four years- we’ve been doing this. That’s that’s not crazy. That seems weird. I was thinking like we’re going on three years. No, it’s, but it was march 3rd of 2020. That’s crazy. I know, I can’t believe we’ve been doing it that long. I know, right, I really can’t. Our standards have dropped a lot since.

[00:04:26] We started yeah you added me well that’s no dave I would say that we added you and that improved.

[00:04:35] Our standards. I would say: would you really say that if he was here, though, absolutely, or if he was not here, I would see him. Yeah, yeah, I like having dave here. I do too. He’s a pretty good guy, feels, though we had to say that because you said that so.

[00:04:52] Oh, anyway. So, yeah, what do you want to get into next? Hey, whatever new airplanes. Okay, not my new airplanes. Oh, mine, not your new airplanes. Dave’s- oh, definitely not dave’s. No, yeah, dave’s not buying anything. You guys are like kind of you’re against buying things for some reason. Well, yes, okay for now. So there are new planes that e-flight came out with. Oh, those new planes you want to talk about?

[00:05:16] That yeah you want to talk about another timber yet another timber yay believe it listen I don’t want.

[00:05:21] To. I don’t like. Okay, I’m just gonna say that I’m like, of the three of us, I’m not the horizon fanboy, agreed, oh, same here. Okay, but I will say this: eight hundred dollars, eight hundred and fifty, excuse me, eight hundred and fifty dollars for a binding. You may want to hit that a few more times. Okay, that’s good for a, are you done? Yeah, one more. There you go for a bind and fly balsa and light.

[00:05:56] Ply built-up airplane, I think is actually fairly reasonable. It’s unfortunate that they called it timber, like the. The name seems to really elicit a lot of emotion. It’s made, it run. It’s time for a new name. Yeah, and it? And it doesn’t really. To me, it doesn’t really look like the foam timbers. To me it looks a little different. To me it’s the exact same thing. The nose looks a little different to me. The wing plan form is a little different shape, I think. I mean, yes, it’s a big hershey bar wing, but the airfoil is different, it’s a different airplane and I don’t think the price of eight hundred and fifty.

[00:06:30] For a bind and fly balsa and light ply airplane I don’t think that’s really all that out of line.

[00:06:37] I don’t either because if you look at the servos and stuff that come with it those are 30 bucks a.

[00:06:41] Piece. Yeah, I mean it’s. It’s a lot of money to lay out all at once, but you’re getting everything you need except your transmitter and a battery. I mean, and it’s all built already, it’s all you pull it out. No, you, you put it together. What is it like? It’s you can fly it like in two hours, or something like.

[00:06:57] That I don’t know maybe less I mentioned to it but I know like everything is installed yeah.

[00:07:00] Where it’s, and I mean it’s not my thing, like I’m not. I’m not their target audience, but I really don’t, and I’m not the horizon fanboy, but I think they’re getting a lot of what’s backlash.

[00:07:15] Unnecessarily why do you keep looking at me when you say that because you’re the I mean let’s be honest.

[00:07:20] You’re the horizon fanboy of the three of us. I think they make good stuff, I- and I’m not saying they’re perfect, yeah, I don’t disagree. So I’m just. I buy other stuff too, but most of your stuff is horizon, I mean, with the exception of the, the big glider you’re working on and but. But yeah, I guess you might be right, so, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

[00:07:44] They make good stuff wrong with that of course but then yeah so I personally feel like horizon’s.

[00:07:49] Kind of taking a taking a beating on this unnecessarily yes it’s called timber and.

[00:07:54] That’s unfortunate, but this is the turbo, or turbo timber s w s it’s. So they add a few letters to the end of it, right? Well, so here’s the thing. So that stands for sport wood series, and I’m really hoping that means that this is going to be the beginning of more sport wood series of e-flight airplanes, because e-flight used to make a lot of airplanes and then they went to all foam, which I get it. Foam is cheaper to make, yeah, and if you look at a, the sizing and price, foam is a lot cheaper to.

[00:08:27] Buy which makes it more popular right yeah but I still like balsa I do too I’m a huge fan of balsa.

[00:08:37] It’s it’s one of those things to where.

[00:08:41] I might end up having to buy one day. Yeah, I mean like not now. It’s a nice air, like it’s not. Like I said, I’m not the target audience really, but for what you’re getting I really don’t think.

[00:08:52] The price is: is really all that out of line? I really don’t either. It’s big. I mean it’s a good size airplane. That I don’t. I don’t think from what I saw. I don’t think there’s any struts on it. I don’t recall seeing any- which that means it’s going to go together easier. I like that too.

[00:09:06] Yeah, I mean compare that. Okay. So extreme flight they’re. They’ve just restocked their, their 60 inch plug and play models like an extra and I think there’s an edge and they’ve got a few- excuse me, a few- different ones. Those are, those are nearly a thousand dollars and they’re not plug and play. You still have to provide your receiver, and so you just

[00:09:28] Said plug and play oh they’re not blind or bind and fly they’re not bind okay I’m sorry that’s.

[00:09:33] Right, but they’re plug and play. Yeah, so you have to provide your own receiver and that. So I mean, and those are outstanding quality. People don’t seem to be beating up extreme flight over.

[00:09:43] The price of those. What I’m saying. Well, I don’t necessarily think I’ve been hearing a lot of people complaining as much about the prices as they were about the name. Oh, that’s true. I think that’s the overarching complaint with his airplane, but, like I said, it looks good. If you’ve seen the.

[00:09:57] Flight video. I mean it looks like it flies good, like oh yeah, for sure. But I mean this isn’t the only airplane that horizon has released recently, like they’ve released several different airplanes that weren’t timbers. Well, two, right, not that weren’t timbers, but they’ve released two since.

[00:10:13] We well, the cherokee, that’s not a timber. That is nothing we will talk about. Yeah, I’m sorry, you can talk. I didn’t mean to steal your thunder, but well, okay, then before we do that, let’s talk really quick. So the turbo timber sws. It does get confusing, like the only one I remember what it is the twimber, because it’s so much different. It’s different enough like I couldn’t even tell you the small one that I have, what that one actually technically is. We need a timber reference chart. That’s not a.

[00:10:40] Bad idea because they’ve got 15 different versions of this damn thing yeah they have a lot yeah because.

[00:10:46] Hanger 9 had one a few years ago too. Oh, did they? I don’t know like I’m. I’m not a, I’m not up on. Well, because I googled it because it says on here they were talking about it’s the biggest one that e-flight has made, which that is correct. That’s the biggest. Oh see, tommy’s very happy a day because he’s got his laptop sitting in front of him, so he is going to be the google king. No, I’m just looking. Did you find it? Which one? Which one do you want? I think hanger 9. Apparently at one point there was a gas-powered one previously. Yeah, like 30 to 50 cc. Look up, turbo timber 110, I think, is what I.

[00:11:21] Saw before or just timber 110 it might have been before the turbo yay nay hanger 9 timber 110 30 to.

[00:11:30] 50 Ccr 110 inch yeah that’s a good size airplane that is a very good size almost discontinued.

[00:11:36] Yeah, well, I mean that’s obvious. But so that’s not the biggest timber horizon has made, but this is the biggest one that technically, e-flight has produced. Yeah, two meters and what’s kind of cool, though it does come with the avian 50, 55 motor, 500 kv, which is four to six s, 100 amp spectrum, avian smart esc, which I mean those are expensive too- 4s, like I said, to 16. So it’ll run on 3200 to 7000 mh LiPos.

[00:12:07] It’s a bit of a stretch that’s that’s a big window which is cool because I have batteries in that range.

[00:12:14] I bet it doesn’t bounce very well with that 3200 yeah it’s not a small airplane like I mean a meter.

[00:12:20] Yeah, I mean it’s, it’s a whatever that ends up being. Yeah, about six feet a little over, roughly, yeah, I don’t remember what, 30, 39 inches or something per meter. Yeah sure, I don’t know. I should know I don’t, but anyway, yeah, that’s really all I want to say on that one. It looks unfortunately just like the, the foam one, like coloring and everything, but it’s pulsa and I like it. Well, there you go.

[00:12:54] Okay, you okay. Okay, I hear you clicking, so I don’t know what else you’re looking up or if you, I was just looking at it. Sorry, I’ll stop clicking. No, you don’t have to stop clicking you, you do you.

[00:13:03] So the cherokee, cherokee, let’s talk about that. So I’m not into foam airplanes, but man, this, the new cherokee, looks really good. I like it. Yeah, they’ve added a lot of detail to it.

[00:13:12] Which is cool. So I just showed you guys the video that they released when I got here. I had a little issue with the video at first, because I watched it and the very first shot is from the back of the airplane and I was sitting there thinking that looks, I mean, like they have a lot of scale details, but it was. And then the next shot is somebody holding up the- I don’t know if it was a flap or aileron or whatever they’re like checking control surfaces or something on it. Yeah, and then I realized wait,

[00:13:43] Hold on, that’s a real cherry. This is not. This is not the model, and then it took them a little bit to get to the model, but it still looks pretty good. Yeah, just not as scaled I thought it was, but

[00:13:55] It looks so much better than the first one, like: this is like a new version every release, yeah, but they’ve added safe select now, which is cool. They’ve added the lights and there’s a. I think they did something different with the interior. Now, too. It looks really, really good. It does.

[00:14:10] Yeah, that might be something I’d. I would pick up and eventually see, I like it. I do too. Yeah, like, I like that, and I’m not a electric guy. Well, but fly them a few times, you’ll, you’ll become one. Well, I’ve.

[00:14:22] Got plenty of foam airplanes sort of electric even yeah I know but they’re small they are get a bigger.

[00:14:27] One, it’s just the e like. For me that’s the biggest thing is the simplicity of them, right so that one comes with sub micro servos, six of them. What else does it say? Brushless outrunner motor, obviously avian, 70 amp, smart esc, six channel, pretty powerful for a little guy, yeah, and it’ll run on 3s or 4s, 2200 to 4000 milliamp power batteries- it’s on back order already, by the way- ec3 or ic3.

[00:14:56] On the connectors and you’re looking at the one for 279 that’s what we’re talking about I thought.

[00:15:03] It was 299 is the 299 is the yeah find and fly and then okay I gotcha 269 is the plug and play.

[00:15:12] Yeah looks good I’m huge fan huge fan I like scale airplanes though let’s see I like that style.

[00:15:19] Like more of the. I’m kind of getting more into the, the general aviation, not military stuff, kind of like that. Yeah, whatever you call that. Yeah, general aviation, civilian stuff. Oh, that’s what I was called for. Looks cool and I actually have a spot in the garage where that would slide right in. Jeez with the ones I get. What would that? What would that bring your number up to? I don’t even know, hey.

[00:15:40] Speaking of numbers, can I talk about my spreadsheet real quick? Let’s talk about your spreadsheet really quick. So I got lucky and I was digging around on my laptop and I found a 2022 version of my spreadsheet that we talked about on the last episode that I had lost and I didn’t feel very happy about. So I have updated my 2022 spreadsheet to 2024 and it is uploaded on my google drive and I’m going to keep it not there, I’m going to keep it on my laptop. I mean, I will keep it on drive to make

[00:16:13] It easy for me to update while I’m at the field and stuff, but I will also download those updates to my laptop whenever I. I always keep a usb backup. Yeah, unfortunate. Ron’s suggestion was for me to call google and ask them: hey, what happened to my data? Because it’s just that easy to get a hold of.

[00:16:32] Google and they’ll say google it yeah right my suggestion actually was to google it and kind of.

[00:16:38] See if you could get any kind of contact. I may. I may try that, but at this point I’ve got my spreadsheet updated and see what did I say? My number was earlier 53, I think it was like 14, 39 flyable, and then a bunch of other ones that aren’t well, look it up, you have it right in front of you. I do, it’s right here in front of me. -Huh, let me add them up. Let’s see there’s, yeah, there’s.

[00:17:04] 35 Flyable 30. So this is your update. By the way, that you owed us a month ago. Yeah, just saying in case anybody’s wondering why we’re talking about it: 30, yeah, 47, that was the number. That’s my.

[00:17:18] Total oh 53 is mine that’s why it sounds familiar yeah 47 okay what you got there 71 I had to look.

[00:17:29] Almost add ours together. Yeah, no, there’s still a lot left to get there. I’m gonna sell a lot this year. No, I’m not. I might, I probably won’t, though speaking of selling. Speaking of selling, did you want to talk about the swap meets? Yeah, well, actually, I don’t know if we’ve settled on stuff so we can talk about it amongst ourselves while we talk to everybody else about it too. So toledo and dayton are coming up. Yeah, there are the swap meets in ohio, I think beginning part of april for april. For toledo- yeah, first week in april, and then the third weekend of april is dayton. Yeah, so who’s going when?

[00:18:06] And where so I cannot go to toledo okay and I want to go to dayton okay dave’s going to.

[00:18:14] I’m going to toledo. Are you just going to toledo? Yeah, I can’t take the extra time because I’m taking. So I’m taking basically a week in april between toledo and the solar thing. Oh, that reminds.

[00:18:29] Me sorry not to cut you off did you see like is there a reason you’re going down to southern.

[00:18:33] Illinois because it’s going to put you dead center in the apparently for the eclipse.

[00:18:38] Apparently that’s going to be the same thing at the ama headquarters in muncie indiana right but.

[00:18:44] Sparta illinois is much closer than well I think it’d be kind of cool to go to the headquarters I’ve.

[00:18:49] Never been there before I’d like to go sometime I wouldn’t mind seeing the museum right yeah okay.

[00:18:54] Well, I just didn’t know if you knew it was going to go. Hey, real quick. Speaking of the ama museum, sorry, let’s all just keep interrupting. Don low. Don low has passed away. Who is Ron? You may not be familiar, but an icon like, kind of like dave brown. Yeah, who is also goes way, way, way, way back real, an innovator in the hobby, and yeah, we just lost him recently, which is unfortunate. There’s a little write-up, I think, on model aviation. I think I saw something online about.

[00:19:25] That. But yeah, sad news. But I mean, the guy was 98, made it to 98 years old, so that’s awesome, that’s good. Yeah, it was sad to see that news. Don low designed many airplanes, fai pattern flyer, I mean it’s just all around hobby guy, that’s sad. Yeah, I also saw. If we’re going to talk about that.

[00:19:48] This has been a couple few months ago, maybe that john adams died from horizon? He was the one that had a lot to do with switching to 2.4 Gigahertz. Yes, over, I did not see that. I’ll be darned. Yeah, he wasn’t very old, so I don’t know what happened. I think he was laying in 60s. Yeah, man, that’s. I could be wrong.

[00:20:05] Though, so, oh, I hope you’re wrong. Yeah, but anyway, anyway, you talked about the ama museum and that reminded me of don low, yeah, so anyway, he’s going to southern illinois and before that, before you cut him off, that’s what he was talking about. Yeah, he was going to talk about time. He couldn’t take time.

[00:20:20] Yeah, and then I just can’t take the extra time because then the joe null coming up in may, yeah, okay, and I accumulate time so slowly. I get it, I totally get it. Plus, we are extremely short-handed.

[00:20:30] I can’t go anywhere, okay, so it’s just toledo for you and daniel, yeah, and maybe me. I haven’t, I would like to go. I haven’t figured all that out yet- because that’s a lot. I got to talk to crystal about a few extra days away, which shouldn’t be a big deal, but because I think, toledo, we leave on thursday, right, correct, leave thursday, then we’re gone. Thursday, friday, saturday- come back saturday night, come back saturday night. Yeah, so that’s two nights in a hotel, and then dayton is. I think that’s.

[00:21:02] Just it’s closer much closer yeah but it’s also I think so one night in a hotel I think I think it’s.

[00:21:09] Friday, saturday for the swap meet: yeah, but I don’t think you can get there early because it’s friday, saturday for the same thing in toledo, but they let you in the day before to get everything set up correct. Right, so that just might be a leave thursday after work because it’s so close.

[00:21:26] Three hours, whatever. Yeah, it’s like three and a half hours, maybe four. No, it’s a little longer than that, because it takes about three and a half to get to champagne or not champagne, indianapolis, three and 15 or so for me here. I thought it was a little farther north, isn’t it? I can say: I don’t know, catch you catch. Well, you can get there a lot of different ways, but I go to indian and catch 70, what is it? 70, Whatever, it is okay. Yeah. So say four hours, whatever. 88 Days away. Oh, good enough, yeah.

[00:21:57] So friday starts at nine and then closes in saturday at three and is there since you’re on the site.

[00:22:05] Yeah, does that open the door at nine or when do they open for vendors? So thursday evening setup available by appointment. Oh, I wonder if that’s worthwhile doing. Might be, if we’re gonna.

[00:22:17] Have a lot of tables which I’m selling, a lot of stuff we’ll have to figure mostly just airplanes, though, does say how much tables are. It did I think it was. This is stuff we should have. 22 Dollars, oh, that’s not bad. Each or two days: 28. Each one day is 22, two days is 20 like why would

[00:22:36] It be more for two days, because you’re renting them for two days. That’s 22 each table. If you do it one day, it’s 22 bucks. If you do it two days, it’s 28 bucks. Right, yes, 10 discount when renting eight.

[00:22:48] Tables or more. We don’t need eight, but what aren’t tables? 50 Bucks that, they’re 25 a piece. You can get a wall 25 a piece. Is that what you said? Yeah, oh, that’s not. We spent 50. We spent 50 bucks last.

[00:23:01] Year on tables, those are for interior tables. Wall tables are 38 bucks. I don’t share about a wall one. If you want a 10 by 10 booth for two days, that’s 115, I don’t. And then additional booth tables, oh that’s. If you got a booth, electric drop, yeah, we don’t need that. So and then one general admission ticket.

[00:23:19] Is included with each table ordered oh nice so we got tables and free entry yeah that’s worth it then.

[00:23:25] Yep, so there you go. We could set up thursday night, potentially just leave a little bit early on thursday. Yeah, that’s fine. Yeah, I think that would probably be, and then just stay thursday night, friday.

[00:23:36] Night. Yeah, okay, so that’s the plans. Then I will put that on the calendar under our calendar. I’m gonna make a note, or else I’m not gonna remember, or maybe I can add it. I got the website up, you don’t? I don’t think you have access to the google calendar. Oh, because I use google calendar and on the website it just pulls that up. I’ll have to give that to you, by the way, so update.

[00:23:57] Calendar toledo and dayton yeah I wish I could go to toledo that’s I really enjoy that show I do too.

[00:24:05] That’s. That’s been a good one. That we’ve gone to a couple times already, yeah, but I know last year we talked about trying dayton, so this works out. Yeah, and I think that was a at the suggestion.

[00:24:16] Of when that gem from ra cores didn’t he tell us that dayton was a good show I don’t remember I.

[00:24:21] Really don’t remember it was. Could have been. Yeah, anyway, I know there was a swap meet this past weekend- well, yesterday I guess, because this is sunday, but that they, or was it was. Somebody told us about it on the website too. Oh, brian ended up going to it. Iowa city: yeah, that was one that, if things would have aligned better, I would have liked to have tried to see what that’s like. That was three and a half hours away too. Yeah, so perry’s coming up too. Right, that’s on our bucket list. Yeah, that’s definitely not this year, not this year, but I think that was one of the beginning.

[00:24:53] Weekends too I looked at yeah so you’ll be busy since you can’t do anything on the first weekend.

[00:24:58] Your job sucks well just saying it’s not time to retire six more years well we’ve been doing this.

[00:25:06] For four so that’ll be over before it crazy to me you’ll have a decade in with this by the.

[00:25:11] Time you retire. Well, maybe it’ll last that long, who knows, who knows? I mean, I don’t know. We just have to have stuff to talk about, I guess. I guess, although this one’s, I’ve got lots to talk about this week, like, I mean, I’ve been busy, like I’ve been really busy, okay, so do you want to get to that or do you want to? I wanted to ask that all the new stuff you wanted to talk about, that was all.

[00:25:35] The new airplanes? Okay, but I wanted to ask you guys if you got that faa survey thing. No, no, yes, no, I don’t. I haven’t checked my email in a while. Oh well, it was one that I don’t remember when it came out it was a while ago and they kept sending emails. Don’t forget to take this. Don’t forget to take something about recreational flyer survey or something like that. I did not get that. Oh well, I filled that out today, so I didn’t know if you did or not. Okay, but that’s okay. I don’t feel as though it was very worthwhile. No, but what kind of questions did they ask you? How many planes do you?

[00:26:05] Have where do? It didn’t even ask where you fly, like site-wise, but it asked. One of the questions was: do you fly outside of your own county and how many states do you fly in? Which I was they’re thinking, no, I don’t fly out of my county and I’m like, oh wait, yeah, I do. And then, no, I don’t fly out of state. Oh wait, yeah. So I had to fill that stuff out. Then it was trying to ask: how many flights did you have in every month of the year? It’s like, well, I didn’t, I don’t keep track of that, but it did ask: how many flights did you have last year? So I was able to put that in. Then it asked how.

[00:26:39] Long are your flights? How many of each airplane do you own? Size wise, or I should say they were calling it drone. This was from the faa, and then it got to the point where it finally asked:

[00:26:54] If you can answer that, if you need to, it’s okay. Then it finally got to the point where they asked: what do you fly and how many of so? How many drones, how many fixed or fixed wing aircraft? There were a couple other ones on there like quadcopter, hexacopter, and they had a few other things on there. I don’t remember what. It was so interesting. Yeah, no, I did. There was like whoops. There was only one question in there where it actually, when you had to tell like the other kinds of airplanes or the other kinds of drones you flew, they had one thing in there where it was.

[00:27:27] Actually said model airplanes, I was like that’s exactly what it is. Yeah, it’s not pictures, videos or anything like that, it’s model flying. I wonder if that was just like a randomized.

[00:27:38] Yeah I got one of those a few years back and I don’t think they’ve changed any questions those.

[00:27:41] All sound pretty familiar do they well it was I think I got it last year too or the year before.

[00:27:46] Yeah I don’t I haven’t gotten anything like that okay maybe it went to my spam a lot of my government.

[00:27:52] Stuff goes to the spam yeah because that’s where I send it that yeah makes sense but anyway.

[00:27:59] Are you? Oh, go ahead. Well, this is you now, okay? Well, I don’t. Or do you want me to talk about the glider first, while we’re: yes, go ahead, okay. So I’ve been working on the glider, and how’s that going?

[00:28:14] And you’ve been updating your build blog yeah so let me try and pull that up really quick.

[00:28:19] Here I’ve got it right here if you want to see a couple things I was gonna yeah do it let me see.

[00:28:22] Swing that around sir I’m so glad we’re prepared and organized oh we’re.

[00:28:28] It’s been a rough week, so I’m happy with whatever. -Oh, I heard some feedback. Oh wait, maybe that’s what I put: my phone. That’s probably my phone there, it’s gone.

[00:28:40] Well, I can’t see that far away. Ron, you have just given up. You just don’t care anymore. I’m okay. So how does your? There’s a mouse right there. If you want to use a mouse, you can slide that over too.

[00:28:56] Well, I can talk about what I’ve been doing, which is basically nothing. It’s just working on ready his cockpit still. That is just a long drawn out project that just isn’t going to ever end. You should tell him no, well, or tell me has to pay by the hour, or do what I did: give it back.

[00:29:13] To him oh we’re getting there it’s getting there so yeah so yeah I mentioned give it back to him.

[00:29:20] So the horton project oh dave let’s cut you off again hold on I’m sorry I’m starting to see a.

[00:29:24] Pattern here. I know right, go ahead, finish him. No, go ahead. I gave the horton back to dave, not this different dave, yeah, yeah, I’m sorry he was, he was. He was not angry with me for not finishing it. I did feel bad for not finishing it, but it was sitting on my table and I kept putting stuff in front of it and that’s not fair to dave because I told him I would finish it and I kept putting stuff in front of it and that’s on me and I don’t feel good about that. But I did give it back to him in a state where it could be finished and it I did put a lot of work into.

[00:29:58] That. So I gave him a good list of what needed to be done and the direction I was going with each project, and he’s got my number. If he has questions, he’s welcome to ask. Well, so you feel.

[00:30:11] A great sense of relief now that it’s no longer there I do that’s what I was going to say that’s.

[00:30:14] Something big that’s not hanging over your head yeah so you should like I said I don’t feel good.

[00:30:19] About it but I’m it’s a weight off my shoulders and I don’t feel beholden to anybody now wasn’t that.

[00:30:25] One of the things we talked about- like the first one or two episodes probably so- going on four years. I know four years. Well, I still have projects older than that, but well, I do too, but they’re mine.

[00:30:38] Right, somebody. Yeah, anyway, I’m done tearing stuff out of the airplane, finally starting to put stuff back into it. So that’s good, that’s good. Yes, nice signs of progress. Signs of progress. I had a snow day last monday, so me too. Most of the stuff, I think it’s aps, isn’t it? It was an ice day, it’s all. Yeah, it’s a nice day. Yeah, it’s all vacuum form, which I hate vacuum form. Yeah, it’s not fun to work with. There’s some resin stuff in there, and the resin stuff, I gotta admit it’s pretty nice looking. Oh, yeah, worry about how brittle it is and how many times I’m gonna break it. But yeah, but the control stick.

[00:31:11] Yeah oh that may become a dowel rod yeah why not work yeah not your airplane it’d be more durable.

[00:31:18] Probably keep you from breaking it. Keep you from breaking it. Oh, playing footsies, Reggie breaking it. Well, he blends hard with it, and then Reggie needs to decide if he’s going to put a pilot in this.

[00:31:27] Thing or not? Before I button it back: how can you not? How can you- yeah, no kidding- put that much effort into a detailed cockpit and not put a pilot in it? Yeah, that way, you better put a pilot in it, right.

[00:31:38] That way when he crashes it he can get the pilot out to build. Maybe you should just build him a little coffin for it. Now I have a place to put it. Yeah, I’ll build a little eight scale that.

[00:31:48] Would be awesome. That’s a great idea. You really tickled yourself I did. That was a good one not to cough. It’s failing, so yeah, it’s, it’s moving.

[00:31:58] Along it. It’ll be done here shortly. Oh, that’s good, it’s so. It’s a lot of work. Yeah, the big thing is I’m gonna have to relocate all the servos once I get this cockpit in, and that’s yeah, building trays and yeah, that’s and the. With the cockpit in there, there’s not much room left to put them. Yeah, was this an ARF? Yeah, it’s the hanger. Nine, the big p51. Yeah, 150 size or.

[00:32:25] Whatever it’s called yeah I mean it’ll look cool when it’s done but for a few days well I mean.

[00:32:33] Be much easier to deal with this thing too. Is this the one I had to repair the nose on? It doesn’t have a lower cowl on it, so I don’t know the nose looks okay.

[00:32:42] Well, I mean, I did a pretty good job on the repair, but don’t break your arm. Look well, I mean, it looked good when I was done, is it? Is it the od green on the top? Yeah, checkers, no, no checkers.

[00:32:56] Okay, checkers, not my repair, then. No, he’s had a few mustangs. Yes, he has. Yeah, I think this one is chris scheltz. Ah, okay, yeah, I did not repair this one, probably because he has a pony.

[00:33:10] Quit any newsle. I’m sorry. All right, have you found your stuff? Yeah, my, I’ve got okay. So the repair log for my glider is online. Go check it out if you want to see any of the pictures. So I have rcplanelab.com slash build logs. Click the thing on top and find it. I don’t know if you’re on mobile.

[00:33:31] Like, if you’re looking at our website on your mobile, you have to click the little three bars where it says left side, yeah, wherever that’s at. Because, really, because, yeah, if you, if you just go to rcplanelab.com on your phone, like on a mobile device, it’s, it just shows like what’s a podcast and shows how to get our podcast stuff. You have to click that menu at the top and then that’s where it opens up all your other options that are on the website. Anyway, oh, okay, yeah, okay, worth mentioning.

[00:33:59] I think and you did so good job I’m not going to get in too much to this why not because I feel.

[00:34:04] Like I’ve talked a lot well I’m getting ready to talk a lot and that’s the other reason I’m not.

[00:34:09] Going to get into it because I’m going to go take a nap here in a minute, so no, so I. So I’ve got it laid out to where you can kind of see what it looked like. When I got it I couldn’t resist but laying it all out in the basement to see how big, to see how it presents itself, and so I took some pictures of the holes and some of the damage and stuff and this actually has. Have you seen? Have you looked at this at all? So the control horns that are on it do what those are called. I’ve never seen control. I haven’t paid attention to that, specifically to the control horns. Oh god, there’s pictures, right?

[00:34:42] There you go, look here, let’s go back. What kind is that? It was something. Obviously this is a seagull kit. I don’t think I’ve ever seen those before. I like them. Like they’re very, they’re plain, they’re very simple. There’s not a lot that goes into putting them in. It’s a single hole, but it’s. It’s got dog ears on the side of the circle and then it actually obviously so it doesn’t spin the. The mounting place in the airplane is laser cut to match. Oh, so it’s. It’s a, like I said, it’s a good setup. I

[00:35:14] Like that pretty slick I like that and it’s it’s nice it’s recessed into the control surface which is.

[00:35:20] Yeah, so you don’t see any of that. Yeah, I’ve seen. Yeah, oh, what are they called? Do no control horns? Control horns? Yes, but like I said, I thought that was kind of neat. So I also came across some, some damage. It looks like water damage on this so it looks like it’s gotten wet a little bit. When I pulled the covering off of the very front off of the nose, that has been smashed. It. It has staining. It has nothing’s like loose or anything, but it’s it’s stained.

[00:35:54] Pretty good. I don’t think it’s gonna be a problem looking at it and stuff. I mean it feels solid still, but one of the wing panels, the end part, is actually delaminating and coming off. So I think- and I guess I’ll talk to you about this- you guys what, if you think this is a good idea or not? I think what I’m going to do is just try and glue that together as much as I can and then make another rib to mount on the outside of it.

[00:36:23] Just to kind of give it the, the outside piece, to make sure it’s nice and strong, and then you increase your span by yeah. Well, are you? Are you putting the? Yeah, I mean, that doesn’t matter to me if it’s a little bit wider, but I would do it on both sides. Well, yeah, make it even right if I’m.

[00:36:39] Yeah, no, I can cut another. Okay, the other one as long as yours. I don’t know what type of spar joiners he’s got in it, but as long as though there is none yet, oh, you have to make them. What do you mean?

[00:36:49] Spar joiners maybe I’m thinking of it’s the wing obviously slides together yeah the wing joiners.

[00:36:54] Yeah, is that what you’re talking about? Yeah, no, the that’s just. It has the aluminum tubes that are supposed to go in it and then it’s just got screws that go through to hold it together. There’s a panel on the bottom of the wing that comes off. Then there’s thumb screws that go just to kind of hold it. Oh, it’s off, okay, but the wing joiner- I don’t have screws. Hold the. Pull the two ribs together, okay. Yeah, pull the two wing panels together. That should be okay. Yeah, I mean eighth inch more, or whatever. I end up cutting it out. I shouldn’t make any difference. I was thinking about that because it is a little bit stronger, yeah, so that was my thought on doing that. And then

[00:37:28] Depending on how it goes, either I thought about putting like a dowel in there to kind of tie everything together, just because it did delaminate a little bit, and see if I can get some extra strength.

[00:37:39] In there that way maybe a couple so when you say delaminate you’re talking about the sheeting has.

[00:37:42] Come off of the ribs so there it is you can see the pictures on the website do you see oh you need.

[00:37:49] This. Yeah, well, because I’m blind. Oh, I see what you’re talking about. Yeah, I see what you’re talking about. Yeah, an extra rib there probably wouldn’t be a bad idea, okay, and then, like what you’re talking about with the, the sheeting, I may, because it looks kind of like it might be warped also right there.

[00:38:09] The trailing edge or is that reflex no that’s supposed that’s reflex the airfoil is actually.

[00:38:13] Okay curved like that yeah I would say the rib and then like a piece of dowel yeah it.

[00:38:20] Would be good like if, if you look at it, you can actually push it together and it’s almost completely flat. I mean like it almost looks like it’s gonna go together perfectly with some glue in there. Yeah.

[00:38:28] It just looks like it literally delaminated. Yep, I would put a little bit of tight bond in there. Push it up, tape it, let it dry and then make yourself a new rib and, yeah, tie it together.

[00:38:37] With some dowel. So that’s my plan on that one. Once again, if you guys want to see the pictures, go to the website and look at them that way. That way you can kind of see what we’re talking about and

[00:38:46] What do you do? How do I get out of this? Oh so that was that one. Like I said, everything else has gone fairly straightforward so far, except for I found a nice little present home. Yeah, I’m like, at first I thought it was just a dead bird. It was in there because so the one wing panel- and this is one of the big inner wing panels, so it’s the biggest panel that’s on there- I got all the covering off of the one that had the hole in it and stuff already, so I could kind of

[00:39:19] See how that was it covering- came off wonderfully. No, and that’s the other thing too- like this covering, heating it up with a heat gun and just peeling it up- like there is it left no residue whatsoever. It was very handy, like I was expecting to have a lot of work to do, residue right, like color and all that kind of stuff left on it, but nothing. It all came off nice and nice and clean, but anyway. So as I picked up this other wing panel- and this is the one that was also damaged, by the way-

[00:39:49] As I picked it up, I noticed like you could hear something inside of it moving. Well, originally I thought it was just like they left the extensions in there- servo extensions, because how you can hear those move and hit things in it- so I didn’t think anything of it. And I’m downstairs and it’s a big panel, so I’m sitting on the floor and I just watching tv and I’m peeling it up slowly, burning my hand until I get started. Then, all of a sudden, I see feathers. It’s like what? What is going on here? So turns out it must have been a mouse that got in there, because there was a bunch.

[00:40:21] Of mouse droppings, mouse turds in there and a lot of bird feathers that they must have found somewhere and wanted to stay warm. So wherever this was stored, I assume, was cold, yeah, and so they made a nice little home in there. There was no mice in there now. Well, that’s good, that was a good thing. But I got it all taken outside and you can see pictures on here when I and crystal- that’s the other thing. So crystal asked me- and I wasn’t even thinking so I went right outside in front of the garage. Yes, and that’s where I dumped everything. Nice, so you can drag it into the garage. It was cold.

[00:40:53] Out and I didn’t really want to have to walk too far. It was cold and snowy, but so everything’s out of it now. There’s there’s a little bit of damage that looks like where the mouse is chewed a little bit, yeah, but nothing at all that’s concerning to me, so we should be able to fix that, no problem. Everything now is stripped and I actually it’s not on here yet, but I did strip the, the canopy portion, so I got the, the actual canopy off, along with the, the whole fixture. What do you call?

[00:41:26] It, the hatch, the whole thing. I got all the covering taken off of that and I found- excuse me, I found- that there were some sort of worms that started eating through the balsa worms. Really, yeah, it was interesting. There was one that was somebody’s update their shots. Yeah, there was one and it was. There was one in there still like it was dead, but there was one in there still that was a quarter inch long or so and then maybe eighth inch wide. Really, yeah, I should.

[00:41:58] Have taken a don’t think I’ve ever seen worms in balsa before I’ve never had a mouse house or worms but.

[00:42:03] I did have the privilege of working on an airplane that rattled a lot yeah the wing was full of dog food.

[00:42:09] Dog food. Yeah, the a mouse had been storing it. Yeah, I’ve only had one experience with mice and that was with the, the big red, white and blue sbox that I have. It had a mouse nest and one wing panel and then it had discolored the covering, which is still discolored yellow.

[00:42:28] What would make you, I wonder why I don’t know yellow. I don’t know what would come out of a mouse. That could possibly something yellow, but yeah, but anyway, yeah, got that torn apart good deal. I found the found the mouse holes, and now I have to figure how to make a new canopy, because this one’s got a little bit of scratches on it and stuff and I just I don’t want to use it. So just try to polish it out. Yeah, you can polish it. Well, it also has a little crack on the back which I could probably hide when I crack on the back, a back crack which I could probably hide when I taped it back down. But yeah,

[00:42:59] I don’t know. Yeah, a new finish does an excellent job. Really polishing up canopies, no, or flits- yeah, flits called flits, chrome polish or anything like that. Yeah, oh okay, yeah, I and I restore the matchbox cars and I have fairly heavily scratched windshields and so forth in these, and usually I’ll just take a cotton buffing wheel, put it on my dremel and some of the new finish, and it’s surprising what I can salvage. Yeah, interesting. So there you go. Well, this is a lot thinner than those though. Well, that’s true. Yeah, I’ve done it on aircraft canopy. Just don’t use the

[00:43:33] Buffing wheel do it by hand I’ll have to try that yep it shouldn’t be hard to pull a new canopy.

[00:43:38] Though I wouldn’t think. Well, we’d have to figure out how to make a plug for it, but I don’t think it would be that difficult. Like I said I think it’s small enough. I’m pretty sure that just the canopy, the plexiglass portion, will be able to run or be ran on brian’s vacuform machine. So that’s my thought on that one. Cool, I did finally start to cover. Yes, by the way, I covered the and you’re not.

[00:44:00] Going to go back with the original colors no I’m happy to report there’s pictures on there to.

[00:44:07] Where you can see where I have the, the rudder finished and the vertical stab carbon fiber. But yeah, so I was going through my covering and stuff and looking to see what I had color wise and stuff. I just I like that carbon fiber- look- I don’t know why- a lot. So, yes, I’m not going to overdo it on there. It’s still going to be mostly white with carbon fiber accents, because I still like the white color.

[00:44:32] To do it I think that will so is it just going to be white and then the dark color of the carbon fiber.

[00:44:37] No other color. No, there’s probably going to be some sort of red or black. Black maybe is a dark accent. Oh, dark blue. See, I do have some of the blue still. That’s the metallic blue that I thought looked kind of good on the, on the dualist, on the dualist, yep, and that would transition into the carbon. Yeah, yeah, I haven’t decided yet. There’s still. I mean, I’m so bad when

[00:45:00] There’s a lot of surface area on that airplane to apply color too so I’m I’m bad when it comes.

[00:45:06] To planning, so we’ll see how it goes. I’ve got the horizontal stab and elevators. I’m working on the horizontal stab now. Elevators are done. They’re going to be all white. I figure I can apply something over it later if I need to. There’s something else I was going to say. I don’t remember.

[00:45:25] What it was now because I was going to ask you a question. But anyway, if I think about it later, I will remember and interrupt you. So that’s where I am on that. Yeah, build log looks good, you went.

[00:45:37] Up to brian’s I did you were nice enough to be the courier for me I picked up a motor and speed.

[00:45:45] Controller for it. A honking big motor and a hacker big motor. It’s huge motor in my washing machine is not that big. I mean this thing is enormous. I mean it’s I mean for a brushless motor, it’s probably.

[00:45:58] The biggest brussels motor I’ve ever seen. Well, okay, I mean it’s a big plane, so it will need something. But true, so I have changed my mind. Originally it was going to be just a glider for this year, but I have changed my mind after talking to you, tommy, when you said, well, that’s stupid, don’t do that. You, I did not say it like that and I kind of agreed after I kind of thought, thought about: well, especially because I, it’s going to be a learning experience landing this.

[00:46:30] And I would as you pointed out it would be nice to have some sort of backup to not.

[00:46:37] Have just only one chance to land right. So, as we go around capability, it’s going to go a long way. Yeah, yeah, and so the, the propeller I’m supposed to be getting for it, which I haven’t ordered yet, but it’s supposed to be a 20, I think, a 20 inch folding prop. The only thing that’s going to suck with this airplane- and it’s how it was designed: the propeller will hit the ground, so you can’t take it off from the ground. It still has to be. Well, from what I’ve seen, somehow either hand launched or people literally have just taken it and chucked it and that’s been enough, or I’ve seen people that

[00:47:11] Have built sleds, oh, like a dolly. Yeah, there you go, dolly. So that’d be cool, we’ll see. We should build one, maybe, because then we could use it for our other gliders. Well, that wouldn’t not that we.

[00:47:22] Need them, but I was gonna say I wouldn’t do much for it, I wouldn’t think for the other gliders, because it’s just enough to get it moving, enough to get air under it. So you’re not. If you don’t have a, that’s true, yeah, but doesn’t have a power system plus, all the other guys are glad we have that are.

[00:47:36] Powered you can just it’ll be fine that was my thought yeah cool no that’s gonna be an.

[00:47:41] Impressive airplane I’m excited to see it finished and I wish I had more time to work on it. Yeah, but that will get done. At least I am making progress. You are not just I’m pleased to report that, yes, you are making. I’m doing the easy things first, because then I see some progress being made. But so now this is very important. I need help naming it. What are you guys looking at me for? Well, I’m looking at everybody like any bfg. I mean big freaking

[00:48:14] Glider yeah no it has a name I mean it has a that’s a boring name like I want a cool name.

[00:48:21] Monocode overcast what value hobby cover new cover or cast or something wow let’s make it nice.

[00:48:32] And not like: why do we have to talk about the cheap covering I’m using? Why don’t you ask our five listeners to see what they recommend? That’s what I was getting to. Oh, so I was thinking earlier today and I’ve come up with a couple names. I’ll tell you what my, what I have come up with. I promise I won’t tell you they’re stupid. Well, they are stupid. So that’s why I know I can’t do it myself. So here’s the thing: my goal is to have some sort of tie-in that it will be both a towable glider and a motor glider. So somehow I would like to have a name that reflects that, so that the ones I came up

[00:49:07] With was to tow or no which you guys think that’s stupid the other one is to tow or not to tow.

[00:49:17] Which you guys think that’s stupid. And then the last one I came up with is: goes right off the tongue- it does. The other one I came up with is goes both ways. Well, that I kind of like, well, let’s take that to a big event. So here’s the thing. Let me know, listeners, what you think I should name my airplane, and I have decided that if you let me know and I like your name and I use your name, I.

[00:49:42] Will buy you a shirt off of our website. Hey, nice, I like that. Yeah, mobile mouse house mobile- oh, that’s not one, that’s derogatory. Well, I mean, if you like it, you like it. I don’t like that one, oh, okay.

[00:49:57] Like I said it has to have something to do with the fact that it can be towed yeah or powered and.

[00:50:02] Whatever we name it whatever the winning name is we’ll we’ll cut a name on the cricket oh put it on.

[00:50:08] The side yeah I mean it’s gonna be yeah gee I don’t think you have any real estate there to put.

[00:50:13] Anything I know I mean there’s only 22 feet of wing to put it on no 21 something but anyway yeah.

[00:50:21] So, yes, that’s my thing. Like I said, let me know what you guys think a name should be. Yeah, I will buy you a shirt of your choice. I like it- cheap shirt. No, just a shirt of your choice.

[00:50:32] Whatever you think off of our swag site yep which by the way you can get to right off of our website.

[00:50:38] That you. It’s like you haven’t been on this thing for the longest time. You’re like, oh, there’s this, there’s that, there’s this. You’re sitting with a computer and you are just like lit up. Well, I’ve.

[00:50:46] I’ve got yeah I’ve got a fire lit under me I’ve been really enjoying what I’ve been working on lately.

[00:50:51] Well, would you like to talk about that while I go take a nap? Well, I mean, we’re almost an hour in now. I don’t matter. Oh, I don’t. I don’t need to talk long. Talk your heart off. You said you had a whole

[00:51:01] Bunch to talk about, so bring it. Well, I’ve just- it’s not that I have a lot to talk about- I’ve been doing a lot like. I’ve been really, really busy since the last time I recorded. As everybody knows, I got this beast 100 cc biplane project. That was a basket case, I mean. The build log is on the website. I’ve been taking lots and lots of pictures that Ron’s been making fun of me about.

[00:51:21] The size of them. I’m going to resize them, I think, try to make that a little easier to view. But okay, I’ve documented every. I’m going to interrupt you now step, because that’s what we were doing. This episode is just interrupting each other, okay. So earlier you said something about renaming it.

[00:51:36] I did okay do you want me to offer the same no you don’t have to offer the same idea but what were.

[00:51:43] You going to say like what name were you thinking of because I just came up with one and I’m.

[00:51:48] Going to tell you after you tell me yours. Well, I was. So it’s called a beast. Right, the beast. I was going to call it re-beast. That’s stupid. I’m kidding, it’s not stupid, that’s pretty good. But I didn’t think it was bad because I’m rebuilding this thing from a basket case. Go ahead and that.

[00:52:03] Ties right into mine. What about the basket beast? I actually kind of like that. I know that just hit me basket beast, I had the thought showers raining down on my head. The basket beast, I kind of like that.

[00:52:14] Yeah, we’ll see. I wrote it down what. I’ll put the same offer out there. Oh, I’ll buy somebody a shirt if they can come up with a really cool name for this beast. So what are your? What do you want the name to be? I would like the name to sort of imply that this thing was a mess like really probably should have been in a dumpster. I mean, it’s like another trash can Telemaster- almost no, although it didn’t come out of a dumpster, the trash can Telemaster was in decent shape. Yeah, this thing is not right, or was that’s what I mean, like that? So it’s, it’s really.

[00:52:46] Kind of worse than the trash can much worse but I want to convey the fact that this thing was like.

[00:52:52] Like a phoenix rising from the ashes does that make sense it does so I’ll offer the same thing.

[00:52:58] If, if one of our five listeners can come up with a really cool name and I like it enough, I’ll put it on the side. Have, laurie, cut some decals for me and I’ll buy you a shirt of your choosing off the website. There you go. So, anyway, which go ahead. Just gonna say last thing.

[00:53:14] And I said that earlier, so it might not be the last thing. When we see it’s not just you he cuts off, when we cuts me off too. When we talked before about the basket cases we were working on, yeah, I rescind my comment, like I have seen yours and I have seen mine. Mine is my, yours is minor damage. Mine is not a basket case whatsoever. It is, it’s. I don’t have to do anything compared to what you have.

[00:53:39] To do. Yeah, I’m actually pretty proud of myself. This was, if I can say so, yeah, I’ve, I’ve put a lot of work into this. I mean it’s, it’s all documented on the website. So take us through the steps, excruciating detail. Yeah, I am gonna- I think I walk us through- redo the, the formatting to make it easier to view, but yeah, so I mean, this thing started off as a as a beast. 100 Cc was new at one point, as they all are, and so was mine. Can you believe it? And I’m pretty sure this

[00:54:13] One was crashed at least twice before I got it the last crash. The story I got with it was that it was hovering over the runway, engine stalled, kind of flopped on its back and impacted the runway on the top wing upside down. So it smashed all of the upper wing mounting hardware points, everything, and the damage indicates that’s probably what happened. Yeah, so all of that had to be rebuilt to include all the stuff that was inside the fuselage, the center wing panel. I really

[00:54:47] Thought I was gonna have to build a new center wing panel, but I got lucky. There was enough there that I could work with. But yeah, so the cabane mount hardware, the cabane mounts inside the fuselage, that’s all new. The center wing structure: most of the inside of that is all new. Most of the sheeting is new. The firewall: so the firewall is a piece of quarter inch. To me it looks like what’s like the, the boat grade stuff, green, green. Yeah, that’s what it looks like to me. That was just sort.

[00:55:24] Of slapped onto the front after they cut the and it didn’t even seem like it truly matched. No, it doesn’t, it’s not even close. But to their credit, whoever did that- it was very solidly mounted with the drywall screws, with drywall screws and epoxy. They did epoxy it also. So I removed the drywall screws and I actually physically tried to remove this, and it wasn’t going to budge unless I ripped the entire front of the fuselage off, which I didn’t want to do. So see, I guess I left it and embraced it. I don’t.

[00:55:54] Have a problem with drywall screws like I know you guys think that it’s just a terrible thing to do but.

[00:55:59] Well, if it works, it works mostly just because of the appearance, like, yeah, they were solid. I mean, it was. I mean- and you’re not going to see it though, when the cowl’s on- but like the four inches of it that was sticking out the back, that could potentially puncture the tank. Oh, I didn’t realize that. I thought maybe

[00:56:14] They used like oh no they were like four inch oh regular nice drywall anchors then yeah.

[00:56:22] So I removed those, I braced up the firewall on the inside as best I could and then I closed up the big gaping holes that they had in, and it looks so much better now. Yes, yeah, but yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s nearly done. So did you? What did you color that with? So I painted it after I got all the repair done and holes plugged up and stuff like that. I just took some parma fast color, which is basically the same as water-based craft paint, more or less painted it black and then gave it.

[00:56:54] A coat of finishing resin over the top to make it nice and shiny and feel, feel proof and helps mind it all together. Exactly, yep, and it looks so much better now and I use some tri-stock to sort of line the firewall to seal up all those ugly holes that were around the edges and with the cowl on, it actually doesn’t, it doesn’t look too shabby. I’m I’m very happy with how the fuselage has come out. And then I had to repair the wings out there where the interplane struts attached, because there was damage to all four panels. I had to get really western with one of them, but the other three

[00:57:28] Panels weren’t too bad. What does that mean? Jiggy, western, I don’t know, crazy. Okay, it took a lot of repair on one panel, but the other three panels weren’t weren’t so bad. But yeah, I’m ready to reapply the covering. I did not strip the entire airframe like you did with your glider, thank goodness. I’m gonna keep it black and red and I’m happy- and you’re very, very happy about that, because the majority of the covering is actually not in terrible shape. It’s in. It’ll be in a presentable condition when panels look great. Yeah, it’ll be presentable when it’s.

[00:58:02] Done and so like I’m scrolling through the pictures here and just kind of looking so there was.

[00:58:07] What the laptop’s right here if you want to see them in detail I thought you were looking at them.

[00:58:11] Oh, I’m just go ahead. My question, though, is: you said that the damage was to the wing from landing upside down the upper wing, the upper most of the damage, but a lot of the damage I’m seeing on here.

[00:58:22] Was not just from that what it looks like, right? No, there’s damage from previous crashes: landing gear, incident landing gear- yeah, pulled out the landing gear block at some point because there was a really ugly repair and the block was actually loose in the airframe when and when I got it- the landing gear block- so I had to put that all back together and clean up the sheeting that was underneath it because that had not been repaired from the previous repair. So, yeah, I’m pretty sure this airplane’s

[00:58:51] Crash at least twice maybe more it’s had a bit of a rough life before I got here yeah and so then.

[00:58:56] That was just like crash- crash from what you can tell- or just like a hard landing, hard landing, yeah. So there’s no like: looking at the damage on it, it looks like it’s hard landing. And then the final.

[00:59:09] Yes, flip over. Yeah, and I imagine that the hard landing is probably what pulled the firewall off the first time, because there’s- there’s supposed to be- a motor box, like on most modern airplanes, there’s a motor box on the front that was completely missing, and this big hunk of plywood was hung on the front of the airframe. So I think the hard landing may have pulled the motor box off initially because this thing was flown with that ugly firewall on it, because there’s oil standing on it from the exhaust. Oh, so it wasn’t even sealed when they flew it. Oh no, no, it’s just raw plywood, just raw plywood. Oh,

[00:59:43] Man and the big gaping holes in the fly and the flywood in the firewall, we’re allowing exhaust residue and oil all the way back into where, like the radio mounting area is. So that’s why I wanted to.

[00:59:55] Get make sure to keep your servos lubricated right yes or hot I mean if you but yeah.

[01:00:02] This, the pipe tunnel, this one. So I think initially this airplane was flown with the, with, like the dle 111, with the stock mufflers, because there’s two ginormous ugly holes in the bottom of the cowl where, like, the stock mufflers would exit. Yeah, but it had pipes on it when I received it. So I’m not sure what I’m going to do about the cowl. I would like to close those holes up, but I’m not a fiberglass guy and I hate dealing with fiberglass. So, yeah, I don’t know. I mean, I’ve got a lot of.

[01:00:38] Practice with Reggie cows, I can fix it. Well, you may get the job, because I- I, of all the things we do in modeling, fiberglassing is probably my least favorite. Like I, I suck at it like I don’t know, I always make a mess and I get stray fibers everywhere. I don’t know how to cut the stuff without it fraying. I love being itchy. Well, that part I don’t mind, it’s just the repairs never come out clean, they’re always anyway. So yeah, the firewall. But luckily the firewall is not cracked. It’s not like broken, like.

[01:01:12] The two pieces still fit together and they clamp up nice, so I got really lucky, I feel like, with the firewall, so I don’t have to repaint anything, which was another factor. I’m not a big fan of painting either, yeah, but yeah it’s. It’s been a big project and I’m really pleased with how it, how.

[01:01:31] It’s come out and so you showed me the motor the other day with a loose carburetor that’s how it.

[01:01:38] Came off the airplane man I don’t know like I don’t that could have been maybe why it crashed.

[01:01:44] Maybe I don’t know but I mean it would make sense it was very loose like almost to the point where it.

[01:01:49] Looked like somebody tried to take it off and then stopped. Well, see, that’s what I was thinking like. Did they maybe take the original carburetor off of it and put some crappy carburetor back, like I don’t know? I haven’t even tried to run this thing yet. It may not run. I don’t know. Bob has a spare.

[01:02:03] Though so 111 you mean carburetor both okay so he said if this one doesn’t run he’ll swap me so.

[01:02:10] We’ll see. I think it’ll be fine. Yeah, I mean, it has good compression and the carburetor it’s a. It’s a walbro type carburetor, so they’re fairly easy to put back together, yeah, so I think it’ll be okay. The ignition: we’ll see. That’s. That’s probably the one thing I worry the most about, besides the landing gear area, because there’s just not a lot of meat in that structure where the fire or the landing gear mounts. I tried to brace that as much as I could, but there’s just not a lot to tie into there. So, yeah, I’ll just have to be really careful on my landings. Yeah, it’ll have to land like a.

[01:02:45] Butterfly with sore feet on ice: never heard of that. Well, must be an old person thing, must be, no, but it’s. It’s looking pretty good, like I like. Yeah, I can’t wait to actually see it fly. Yeah me too.

[01:02:58] I’m I’m really happy with it. I’m ready for to put the covering back on it now. That’s where I’m at. Yesterday I went up to brian’s found some covering that matched, so I’m ready to finish this.

[01:03:10] Thing back together and hopefully fly it in the spring man I’m starting to feel like a slacker.

[01:03:15] It’s been man, it’s been a lot of work, like if you look at the pictures there’s, it’s been a lot of work, yeah, probably the most work. I mean it probably would have been easier to build a new one from a.

[01:03:25] Kit, oh, yeah, to be honest. Well, that’s why you don’t count your hours in time. Oh my gosh, you can’t. Yeah, you enjoy what you’re doing, or else you wouldn’t. Plus, you’ll have a really nice airplane when you’re done. Yeah, yep, so that’s where I’m at with that. I’m a little jelly because that’s the only biplane that I really would ever have an interest in owning. Yeah, and I’m, I’m, yeah, I like the black, red and

[01:03:48] Gold I’m glad I decided to keep that I am glad you talked me into that so well it just had to do with.

[01:03:53] How much you had to repair I just I’m glad that you didn’t have a lot to do yeah I just need help.

[01:03:58] Naming it now. I know same deal. If, if any of you listeners out there have a good name for this, then I like it, I’ll use it and I’ll buy you a shirt of your choosing. I like it. Okay, that was it, I mean.

[01:04:12] That’s you said you had you had I mean like hours of conversation well I have hours of reading that.

[01:04:18] Somebody could probably do that. I need to really clean that up, you’re right, but I mean, I just wanted the pictures to be really, really detailed and they’re way too big. So well, I’ll do.

[01:04:30] What you did you can show me how you did that and I’ll fix it there we go but yeah that’s it that’s.

[01:04:34] All I wanted to say I’m really happy with how it’s coming along and I’m really proud of it.

[01:04:40] Actually, I wish I could remember what I was going to say before, but I sure can’t. Should have made a note. It’s just completely out of my mind. Oh well, don’t forget. By the way, new listener survey. Oh,

[01:04:52] That’s right v3 third one we’ve done yeah we got a lot of feedback actually on the on this last one.

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[01:05:05] Guys took the time to do that. Yeah, appreciate you. So those who haven’t, please do go do it. Yeah, it takes a few minutes. It’s not a big. Yeah, it’s easy. There’s a link right off our website.

[01:05:17] It’s right here it’s like it’s a brand new website I know it’s like hey he’s got a computer now well.

[01:05:22] I’m just really fired up. I don’t know this product, something about this beast project really got me fired up and then when I started the log, it, yeah it, the two like fueled each other. It was weird.

[01:05:32] That’s awesome. Yeah, I’m happy about that. That’s so cool. I’m glad to see progress being made. So does that mean you’re going to join eli this year? I mean, yeah, I’m going to. Okay, I don’t know if.

[01:05:43] I ever got a, an actual yeah, I’m going to. I don’t think I ever wavered on that. I mean, yeah, I’m gonna cool, join so I can fly there. I’m gonna have to. If you’re gonna, let me use your plane to get my turbo.

[01:05:54] Waiver. I think that’d be a good idea. Yeah, okay. Well, I haven’t been doing much other than Reggie’s project, but daniel last night sent me a photo of his swap me cub that he bought the smaller one most recently. Oh, not the green white, not the big green white one, but the smaller one. Talk about overkill, really. He sent me this photo. He says: I don’t know where all these wires go, so this is a 60 size cub. Okay, not small, but not big. Yeah, 78 inch, something like that.

[01:06:25] I’m not sure if it’s a great plains or a hanger 9- I’m not sure which it is, but okay, it’s nice. It’s nice size. It has a gyro, of all things. Why would a cub need a gyro? A telemetry module, maybe for takeoff telemetry module, the tm 1000, yeah, okay, tell you what. And a nine channel receiver. A four channel cub, isn’t that what you need? It’s a nine channel receiver. I mean, I could, oh,

[01:06:52] And two satellite receivers oh my gosh in a 60 size cub yeah maybe you should see if he wants to trade.

[01:06:58] Man, well, I already owe him for that rcv engine. I gotta figure out what he wants for that. The what he doesn’t care about it, it’s fine, well, anyway. But yeah, I just it’s like: yeah, you’re right, that’s like a lot of overkill, that’s. I mean you may as well put a power safe in it at that point. Okay, stop.

[01:07:16] I have not ordered that yet but I will be doing overkill for the, the, the gyros coming out of it. There is no reason to have a gyro in a cub. The only reason I think, especially a big cup to put a.

[01:07:27] Gyro in a cub is for the rudder on takeoff and landing yeah because if you’re not careful.

[01:07:33] Like landing’s not anything I that’s bizarre yeah and the telemetry module is probably coming out and.

[01:07:39] I’m not sure if it was just measuring battery voltage or if it was doing engine rpm or temperature.

[01:07:44] I don’t know what sensors were on it. I could, I could see like I mean actually considering putting, not a tm 1000, because those are like 15 years old now, but I’m actually considering putting a. A thermocouple loop on the beast probably wouldn’t hurt. Yeah, because I wouldn’t. I mean, because it’s not baffled, that big 111, it’s not a in a baffled cowl, so I don’t want it to. You want to make sure it doesn’t overheat? Yeah, so absolutely, I mean I like the telemetry idea. But yeah, a gyro in a cub? Yeah, a little overkill, I think so. And a nine channel receiver? Yeah, that’s a.

[01:08:18] Little with two satellites. Two satellites- well, he just wanted to be sure. He just wanted to make sure that his connection was solid. They’re like. I don’t blame him on that one, I guess I don’t know. That’s true. You’re kind of like that too. I am okay, whatever. So, anyway, we’re gonna get.

[01:08:34] That cleaned up a little bit yeah start calling Ron mr power safe no it’s not a good idea I did I don’t.

[01:08:42] Know why it didn’t hit me until like last week that one’s not going to be able to be. I have to figure which one’s on which, but if we’re doing aero toes, I have to use both transmitters. What do you mean? Well, I can’t fly each airplane together. Glider and tug have to be on separate.

[01:09:01] Transmitters yeah and they’re both in one transmitter right now oh I’m gonna have to.

[01:09:04] Separate that out well the glider’s not on anything yet but yeah I’m tracking that glider.

[01:09:08] Might have to go on the ix well we can put the we can put the tow vehicle on my transmitter.

[01:09:14] Or on mine that I carry with me everywhere or mine or yeah you’re right yeah they will have to.

[01:09:22] Obviously be on separate transmitters I didn’t even think of that yeah didn’t hit me until like.

[01:09:26] Said about a week ago when I was trying to figure out how to get everything together well hopefully.

[01:09:30] You won’t necessarily need a tow vehicle because it’ll be powered well, but I still want to do that like I want to have the option. What won’t that look? Kind of funny, though, if somebody’s towing you up and there’s a motor on the front of your glider. I don’t care what it looks like, it’s still part of.

[01:09:45] The fun of doing it. Take the blades off, I thought about that, but I thought I also want them on, just in case I need them to go around, like I’m a big proponent of that. Now, as I think about, yeah, not the one case landing I get, which it honestly the field in springfield is not that big of a deal because it’s so long, long, yeah, but yeah, eli, it might be a little bit more of a challenge, yeah, and I’m not ready for a challenge yet, that’s for sure. So, yeah, it’ll have to go like that transmitter.

[01:10:15] Transmitter yep good call cool that’s all I got that’s all I got I just really wanted to talk about.

[01:10:21] The beast not proud I am of it I’ll wait till you’re done that’s gonna be even better I can’t.

[01:10:26] Wait can’t wait to maybe as early as next week we’ll see seriously yeah I’m fired up man well.

[01:10:32] When you, when you finish it, let me know, because I want to be out to watch you fly it. Well, I mean, I’m not gonna fly it next. Well, I get that, but I, I understand that, but when you actually fly it, I want to be there. Yeah, I gotta wait for the weather to warm up. Yeah, we do. Well, someone’s gonna have.

[01:10:44] To videotape the crash we’ll throw a gopro on there well there’s plenty of room hey perfect timing.

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