Ep 151: Tommy feels pity for Ron

[00:00:07] Hello everyone and welcome to the rc flame lab podcast I am Ron I’m Tom and I’m dave.

[00:00:17] Hey guys, we’re all back. We are for yet another. What number is this 151? Oh, last one was 150. We didn’t do or say anything. Is this 150? Yeah, yeah, because you welcome to our 151st, 151 episode. That’s, that’s a lot. Yeah, I ran out of toes. I can’t count that. I ran out of fingers. So what’s up? How’s everybody doing? Good, yeah, excellent. Yeah, I mean, my back still hurts, but how’d you do that? Would you mess up? I don’t want to talk about it, did you actually?

[00:00:55] Do something like I mean I mean throw it out when you were doing something where you like.

[00:00:58] Wiping your butt or something when you poop. Not far off of that I was getting up after finishing from the toilet and, yeah, pulled the muscle in my old man problems. Yeah, that’s nice I call it, it’s so. I know it’s way off topic, but funny story. So, like this is not the first time I’ve pulled this particular muscle in my lower back. I pulled it once. I pulled it many times, but like the very first, I know the very first time I pulled it was I was doing laundry. I was pulling laundry out of the

[00:01:29] Washing machine, reaching over and in and pull, so I call it my laundry muscle. So anytime I not anymore, you don’t. Well, it’s still the laundry, because it’s still the same muscle that I keep injuring. But anyway, yeah, so been nursing that along, but that hasn’t slowed me down from working on.

[00:01:50] Airplanes, no, and I can’t wait to talk about that because somebody’s got to fill in for me because I have done- you are a slacker- nothing. I’ve been doing other things around the house you have, but you’ve been and there’s a rc slacker. I had and I hate it like I. I was told last weekend I was not.

[00:02:10] Working on airplanes and I, the boss has might have gotten a little cranky about that, did you now a little bit? Well, dave, and I, dave, and I have been making up for your slothiness, if that’s a word. Well, and.

[00:02:26] Seeing what you have done has pushed me to want to do more, not that one. I mean it did wane a little bit. There’s ebbs and flows, sure, yeah, anyway, we’ll talk about what you’ve been up to in a little bit, okay, first off, yes, another new airplane came out. Yeah, that’s cool. I was so, really so close, but I just I couldn’t justify it at that time. So there’s a new draco out from e-flight. It’s not a

[00:02:53] Umx not a I don’t understand that why is it not a umx it to me it sort of fits the sort of the.

[00:03:02] Description of what a umx is it’s a umx but bigger it’s it’s umx plus again like the f14.

[00:03:07] And the sr71 but like what Ron what you had mentioned the could the umx consent I can’t.

[00:03:15] Consendo, thank you. I mean, the wingspans are similar, right? So the wingspan on the consendo is 31.57 Inches at 802 millimeters, which is bigger- that’s an actual umx consendo- than the micro draco at 31.1 Inches, or 790 millimeters for those that don’t speak american measurements. Yeah, so I don’t.

[00:03:39] I’m not I’m not tracking the logic they’re using on the name but either way it’s a neat little.

[00:03:45] Airplane I didn’t even think of that like the sr71 and the f14 what are those called they don’t they.

[00:03:52] They’re just airplanes they’re just airplanes yeah but yeah they’re essentially umx just on a.

[00:03:59] Plus size scale yeah that’s pretty plus size though on the yeah length now granted on the.

[00:04:05] Blackbird, the consendo- you got it right- is a glider with a high aspect ratio wing. So I guess I guess I can kind of you gotta look at the fuselage size. Smaller diameter fuselage, yeah right. So I guess I either way it’s not gonna keep me from enjoying the airplane. 800 Millimeters, a nice.

[00:04:29] Size yeah I’ve got I think it’s fms 800 millimeter t28 it’s a good size yeah it fits.

[00:04:36] In the car. Nice, it’s easy to travel mustang. Yeah, it’s assembled. I hate that I like that size, but I do. I know it feels very anti. What I want to like. Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, they’re so simple and- once again, we’ve said it before- so basic and easy. Right that it’s just the ease over.

[00:04:57] I like. I like the new draco, I liked the bigger, the bigger one also, but I could not justify spending what. Those are a lot of bucks, six hundred dollars or whatever it is- 650 on foam. So. So I probably won’t be buying this one either, even though I like it a lot. As we’ve talked about before, I’m trying to downsize- well, so am I, but at the same time, get rid of one bigger pain and you get two small airplanes. And that’s still downsizing right, if you count up the

[00:05:31] Wingspans- see, I don’t like that, matt, stop looking at me. I don’t like that math. Only because I have a lot of smaller planes I want to get rid of, yeah, to replace them with bigger. So they only count as.

[00:05:40] Half a plane yeah so yeah anyway yeah I get it but anyway yeah cool new plane and it’s not a timber.

[00:05:48] I know it’s timber like, but not a timber. But what’s nice about it, though, is 3s 300 batteries I already have, but I think this is the first time they’ve ever had which I also have. Playing this small 4s capable 4s 300 packs, I mean, that’s just nuts to me. That is kind of nuts. That’s a lot of voltage.

[00:06:10] For that tiny, tiny little airplane. Airplane I would like to see one fly like in person. The videos look cool, whatever, but yeah, I would like to see one in person. I’m sure we will see one this year. I’m sure might be one that I own. Who knows, we’ll see it might be one that was in the videos. Yeah, because we could be. It’s a good chance. We’ll probably see that very one fly there, probably.

[00:06:35] Yeah so yeah it’s good looking yeah they’re already ordered of course I look today I think.

[00:06:41] Somebody commented, I think, maybe on our facebook page. Maybe it was a different facebook page, but credit cards have been being charged, so I think maybe they’re yeah, mail soon, hopefully. Yes, so we’ll.

[00:06:57] And my seeing some flight reports out there. On a semi-related note, my chart or my card has also been charged for my receiver, yeah, so I should have that in the next- hopefully- day or two, cool.

[00:07:07] Then we’ll be able to did you want to talk about the jet at all what oh the experience we had.

[00:07:14] Sure I forgot that has been within the last two weeks yeah so go on you can cover it oh we.

[00:07:21] Had a good day of weather, so we thought. So we thought whether the, the MB-339, is almost ready to go. We let’s. It’s ready to run, so let’s get a run on it and dip our feet into the turbine.

[00:07:35] Waters ran into a little bit of a snafu: the clunk that is included in your particular arp. I don’t know if this is across the board on all of them or not, but the clunk in yours would not draw or would not allow the fuel pump to draw enough fuel without cavitating the pump and creating

[00:07:56] Lots of air bubbles, which is bad, correct? So, even worse, you got the cat on. You cat is holding my hand, okay, nice. Even worse, though, is that I went ahead and just got on amazon and ordered regular fuel pickups. Yeah, it was like I don’t know what it was. It was a eight pack or something for seven dollars. Yeah, so I ordered that. It was supposed to be in last- yeah, last week. I was supposed to have it friday because my plan was to try and hurry up and run it saturday if I had time to install it.

[00:08:26] Put everything back together. Yeah, amazon shows it delivered no clunk, but I don’t know where it delivered. It was not my house, oh jeez. So I’m not gonna go through all the hassle of ordering it again or trying to get my money back, because seven bucks is seven bucks, yeah, and I’m not gonna spend.

[00:08:43] Probably free with your rewards. Do you ever spend your amazon rewards? I don’t even do you get. Do I get amazon rewards? I use so we have an amazon card. Oh, I don’t have. I use that for like everything. So we get a lot of rewards and I end up buying stuff for free. That’s why I want to get.

[00:09:00] The horizon card yeah I’ve I’ve thought very much about doing that at any rate we were very excited.

[00:09:07] I was very excited. I was really looking forward to starting the thing up the first time, and also very scared because I didn’t want to mess anything up. But yeah, we, I think, I think we exercised an appropriate amount of caution. Things weren’t right, so we didn’t press the issue and yeah, yeah.

[00:09:27] I think we made and we know what’s wrong. Like it’s for sure, it’s not that big of a deal. We’ll get it figured out and get it fixed and get started and then next time we can talk about, if I’m honest.

[00:09:37] It was really looking forward to. It was a letdown. Hearing that thing do we make noises? We had our earplugs ready and everything we did, and I and I will have to wear earplugs anytime I’m around those, because old engine or airplane mechanic guy like I, the tinnitus will just go crazy when those things they start firing up anyway. So yeah, so I’m excited to get it.

[00:10:01] Running because I think that’s going to turn on a whole nother level and you and me and you.

[00:10:08] I don’t know. I think I’m not wanting a turbine. Oh well, I mean I’m not gonna lie, I want one, but I, it’s just. There are other things I want first. Yeah, like I get it, bronco. Well, hopefully they’re back in stock. By the way, I saw that today. I know, I saw it back in stock. I saw it. You should order it, I can’t. Well, you should, I know I should, but dayton, if anybody’s listening and they’re going to date and buy everything I bring there so that I can buy, sorry, so that I can get the bronco, just saying- and I’m taking a lot of stuff, by the way, today: tommy’s stuff, buy tommy’s stuff. Yes, yeah, what.

[00:10:44] Are you taking? I mean, like, can you tease a little bit or do for sure? So I have a 50 cc sized s bach- I believe it was a red wing or I don’t know. Some chinese brand are flies. Good, it’s got a 40 cc. I think it’s an xyz. I think that’s actually the brand name. Examine your zipper: yeah, 40 cc twin on it which it flies. A nice. So I’m taking that it’ll be. Yeah, oh yeah, it’ll be either.

[00:11:15] Bind and fly or sans receiver? I have not decided yet, but if I take the receiver out it’ll be a smoking hot deal for somebody. What are receivers in it? It’s a power safe. Oh, why would you get rid of that? What one is it? Or which one? It’s an older one? I couldn’t tell you. I’m not up on the power.

[00:11:32] Safe receivers we’re going to talk about those in a little bit though okay and then you can educate.

[00:11:36] Me. I don’t know much, but anyway, so I’m going to take that. I’ve got a 35 cc powered s box I have. This one is definitely a red wing, but it’s the orange and blue. It’s been flown maybe a dozen times, looks brand new. Dle 35 ra. I’ll sell that, probably with the receiver, I think. That’s got an ar8000 in it, I believe, and really good servos, so that’s going. I’ve got the dave patrick ultimate, the, really the big 120 actually. It’s got a sato 150 on it. That’s going to go.

[00:12:12] I’m going to take the great plains reactor biplane, which I know that really. I know, I know that’s surprising, I know I’m really fond of that airplane but to be honest, it just sits. There are other airplanes that I pick up before I pick that one up, so

[00:12:31] If it can get me closer to my goal of buying a bronco, and it’ll be there. It’s got an os 91, a brand, almost brand new os 91. Four stroke on it and it flies- awesome. I mean, it’s really, yeah, a good flying airplane. Let’s see what else. Boxes of just stuff, wheels, spinners, props, just random junk that I- I shouldn’t say junk, it’s good stuff, but just random stuff that I’ve had. What’s making you want?

[00:13:01] To get rid of that kind of stuff though I’m just not using it like now you might later here’s.

[00:13:07] The thing: brian is only two hours, less than two hours away. If I need a used spinner or a used pair of wheels or a used prop, I’ll just go to brian’s, and that’s a good excuse to get out of the house, go up to see brian. What I mean, yeah, I get it. There’s no reason for me to keep a hobby shop’s worth of stuff true in my basement now when I was just flying and these are all like 40, 60 size, nitro sized stuff, wheels- although there are some big cub wheels in the in the lot- and stuff really not. I like big, like you’re big, but like big I’m gonna take some.

[00:13:43] I’ve got, like some, a few nitro engines that I evolutions, I’ll probably have to end up giving surplus, yeah, yeah, which, by the way, speaking of nitro engines, not to get off topic, but I’m going to run the- I’m sorry- the SuperTigre and the os that steve sent me finally, oh yeah. So, steve, if you’re listening, those are going to be ran very soon and I will take a video and put them up either on facebook or maybe, maybe I’ll get Ron to come out and record and we’ll put it on.

[00:14:17] Youtube or something nice. Those seem to do well, cool. But yeah, that’s buy my stuff so I can get bronco. Poor tommy, like I, I’m rooting for you. I really am with that airplane. That is one I would love to see, and I mentioned it like to run off when we weren’t recording. But it’s not that I’m like poor or anything like that, it’s just right now I prefer not to spend a lot of money on airplanes.

[00:14:44] Right now I get it. Hobby funds: keep separate if you can, yeah. So buy my stuff, come to dayton, buy my stuff. I wish I was going to toledo with you guys. I know me too, but that’s why we’re doing dayton, because you can’t do toledo. So thanks for accommodating me, you’re welcome. Wish I could go, but I was gonna say that’s just me, that’s too much time off, that’s okay, short period. I know I get it. It’s gonna be a busy april. I think out of the four was it four weekends in april. I have something- three of the four weekends, yeah, and I’ll be in florida for a lot of april or for some of april.

[00:15:15] Leaving almost up to dayton. I don’t think I knew that. Yeah, I’m going to that school. I told you about that. I didn’t. That’s that’s why I’m not going to toledo. Pretty much I thought toledo was.

[00:15:27] Because of the first week or first and getting driven yeah whatever oh okay yeah so huh yeah so.

[00:15:34] It’ll be busy last half of march and first half of april is going to be very busy for me too.

[00:15:39] I said, if we do the, if we do the swap meet at eli, you won’t be here for that. Then when are they talking about doing that? Second or third weekend of april? April, yeah, yeah, I won’t get back until the 19th. That’s a friday. I don’t have it on me because I was thinking I suggested the 20th if we end up doing that. So april 19th is a friday, right, so the 20th would be a saturday. Yeah, so I could potentially

[00:16:10] Actually no over the river the big race that I go to now yeah so that’s well you’re gonna.

[00:16:16] Miss that one, then that’s too bad, because I know that’ll be a good one too. Well, I don’t know, we’ve never done it before, so we’re talking about doing it. I bet it’ll be a good one. We’ll see. I mean, I you don’t know what people want to sell, is the problem? That’s true? That’s like I’m not much wanting to sell or what they can sell, so we’ll see. Yeah, so april’s gonna be busy for that, and then that gets us into may. I know may’s exciting. The whole gang is going. I’m so excited. Dave is excited about

[00:16:47] It too all right what’s that face he doesn’t look very excited are you we’re talking about joe and all.

[00:16:54] I know I know and I should be more excited about it but I just don’t be a debbie downer I’m not being.

[00:17:01] A debbie downer. I just can’t get myself revved up about it. Wow, well, you haven’t been. I was this way last year like I fully I was excited from the time. I really, because I remember telling you like a week beforehand, saying I wish either I wasn’t going, yes, I wish we were back from it already. Yeah, I remember that and now I cannot, like I cannot wait to go. I mean they’re I mean without going on and on about it. There’s something for everybody there. I really don’t want to talk about it every single episode, like I understand we’re just really excited, but, dave, I mean like, come on, what’s wrong? Have you signed?

[00:17:37] Up yet by the way yeah I paid new year’s day okay whatever we did it right here oh that’s right.

[00:17:43] Get it for me, that’s. Oh, my memory sucks. So how about daniel? He do it. Yeah, he signed up. Good, he sent my photos, so we all have actually, yeah, I’m giddy. Oh, by the way, coming up, march something or other, we have to check for premium spots. Oh yeah, march 17th, I think it is. I thought it was early, I thought it was like this: oh, okay, so that’s why I mean it’s like coming up, yeah, semi-soon, that we have to make sure we’re on. Nobody else needs to be on there looking. So I think you’re right, tommy, it is march 17th. Just for anybody listening that wants a premium spot, it is not earlier than it is not at.

[00:18:19] All earlier than that I. We got kind of slow clicked or something last time. I don’t know what happened. We didn’t get a spot. Your internal clocks are off, but it does look like this year they have like 16 more.

[00:18:33] Spaces new spaces see where’d you see that like I was on their website and the map looks exactly the.

[00:18:38] Same as it looked last year. There’s an extra- I don’t remember what it’s called, but a curve or something, I think that’s around the lake on the far side. That was not open last year. Oh man, wouldn’t that be sweet to get by the lake, right down the lake. Yeah, I mean, I would never really need to leave there. The problem is returning campers get first choice. Yeah, so anybody that wants to go there, dang it. I keep. That’s me. I’m sorry there’s cats around here and there’s cat hair floating around. I’m trying to keep it out of my drink, darn cat, but anyway. So people that have been there before get first chance.

[00:19:09] To pick a new spot. Yeah, so we might be sol, but as long as we get a premium spot, I’ll be happy this year. Yeah, extremely happy. Well, I mean, yeah, I’m excited like I could just talk about that. But well, do you want to a little bit like I’m okay with that, because I am so excited we’re actually taking a camper. We’re taking a camper this year. We’ve got all that settled, so we’re not worried about fitting everything small in your car and then pulling the tiny trailer with the golf cart.

[00:19:40] I don’t know what we’re doing for a trailer yet. We’ll have to figure that out. You don’t want to pull yours. I mean, the golf cart worked perfect on here. If we have to, I won or wouldn’t mind, but I’m a little bit bigger and enclosed so we can fit airplanes well. I think there would be room for.

[00:19:55] Airplanes in the rv no yeah well I’ve got my trailer and it’s I mean I’ve it’s a great airplane.

[00:20:02] Hauler sorry she has sharp nails yes she does I didn’t think about that yeah and then daniel’s.

[00:20:10] Got his enclosed. If your golf cart fit in it, which it should, how long is that? One 12, 12 foot, it’s the biggest you can get without going to a tantrum. Axle it. Sorry, you want me to know for crystal.

[00:20:27] To have her. That’s fine. I can play something really quick and yell at her: no, it’s fine, okay, it might. So I think the golf cart is just over eight feet long. Is that what you figured out last?

[00:20:38] Year. I think I think that sounds right. Yeah, so, because I have an eight foot trailer but we couldn’t use mine because of the, the balance, yes, right, and maybe it’s not quite eight feet. Then, because I don’t think it hung off the back of your trailer. No, it didn’t, it was close, but yeah, because of the, the weight and the where the axle is on my trailer, right compared to yours, but like lengthwise. So, yeah, maybe.

[00:20:59] It’s not quite so. Yeah, that should work. Probably okay either way. Hmm, well, we might use that one if we need to. That would pull fine behind the camper. Yeah, camper wouldn’t even know it was back there. Yeah, probably not. Then we’d have room for that and then, like I said, we got a figure, that’s all.

[00:21:16] Not much more and then I got a 28 foot travel trailer I’m hauling so there’s plenty of room in.

[00:21:21] That true, and it might actually haul better in that anyway, because it’s got a little suspension if you put it on the beds. Oh, I love planes on the beds. The bed is the best place to put something.

[00:21:30] Yeah, I just throw a throw a heavy blanket over it to keep it from bouncing and it’s good to go nice, like I mean, I cannot like contain my yeah. So yeah, we’re borrowing my brother-in-law’s.

[00:21:45] Camper. They just bought an rv last year and so I said something about it and he’s more than generous to let us take it. He’s going to bring it out here- I think he said the end of march or beginning part of april. So it’ll be sitting here for that whole because they’re not using it after they have one trip planned between now and when we’re going. So it’ll be out here so we can get all set up and get all our knickknacks put in and load it with food and drink and I’m like I can’t contain.

[00:22:14] Like seriously, this is gonna be a great trip. Yeah, now that we’ve been, I feel like I have more of a game plan of what I want to. I don’t want to say accomplish, but like see and do while I’m there. Like I really, really enjoyed last year, like I wouldn’t change a thing, but like I may spend a little more time on the lake maybe, yeah, because that was fun. I may spend a little more time at the 3d line because it was fun. I’m getting kind of really interested in watching those guys fly.

[00:22:49] And maybe not as much time on the main line. I don’t think we spent a lot of time on the main line. We spent I feel like we were at the main line at least once every day for a fair amount of time.

[00:23:01] You think so, yeah, okay. So I have learned, by the way, that if I see something I want, yeah, buy, I’m buying it right then, and there, and I plan, yeah, don’t wait, I plan on taking a good.

[00:23:12] That’s something else, dave, like people will just have their stuff. Man, I’m doing what you did, getting all excited, flinging your hands. People will take their stuff to sell there and it’ll just be outside their campsite or whatever with the sign on it and if, like he’s saying, if you don’t act, if it’s something you want, yeah, disappear fast. Because yeah, it seemed like the prices that I saw anyway seemed reasonable. Anyway, yeah, surprisingly, like I would have thought they started high and kind of, yeah, work their way down, well, and then, plus, I mean if you’re looking to buy stuff, I mean horizon will be there on and they’ll sell stuff. Maybe they’ll have deals on deals on the bronco, maybe.

[00:23:47] I don’t know, we’ll see. I mean, that is after dayton. I’m just saying gonna be burning the hole. Buy my stuff there you go, yeah. So anyway, I’m not talking about it anymore because I’m sure our listeners are bored with hearing us talk. Well, if they’ve been, they’re not bored, they’re getting more excited about it, probably. But I, yeah, okay, yeah, we can drop it, okay. So what else? The getting back to what we were talking about? The new draco, cool. What else anything else new this week? Well, they.

[00:24:22] Last week could be last week too. Not anything that excites me, yeah, but they came out with a new boat. And they also came out with a new helicopter today. A new helicopter, a small one like tiny indoor type player that’s. I mean it’s pretty cool. I’m sure it is, but I’m not a helicopter guy. Yeah, me neither so.

[00:24:41] I’ve tried I mean I can I can fly a helicopter and not crash it but I can’t like do anything cool.

[00:24:52] With it and fly around. I’ve looped and rolled. That’s a year way ahead, way ahead of me too. But I mean, as far as flying aerobatics with a helicopter, I don’t care to, I just like to watch it fly around.

[00:25:02] For helicopters I would be more of a scale yeah me too enjoy her tend to way I like to fly it’s more.

[00:25:08] Like a scale helicopter- yep, I mean- don’t get me wrong- like watching some of these guys really ring these things out. It’s it’s both scary and impressive. It’s to me, I think, more scary.

[00:25:22] Because they are so for lack of better term erratic like I’m sure they have control over it but to me.

[00:25:29] Yeah, they don’t. It’s hard to follow it sometimes, yes, the speed with which they do their and been changing directions and those blades spin fast with no set direction. At least with an airplane you can tell. Oh, I see where it’s going, where it’s going, yeah, so I have a tremendous amount of respect for guys that can fly them that way. Yep, that’s just not in my wheelhouse. Nope, thanks, really sorry, let me go ahead, but I should that look. Yeah, I cool new.

[00:26:01] Helicopter, micro heli, I guess. Micro sized helicopter, yeah, something like that. I didn’t. That’s funny. It doesn’t even pop up on my facebook feed from horizon. I get emails because they know I don’t. I know I do.

[00:26:11] Too, but I don’t get that one. Good grief, Ron. That wasn’t me, was it? That was you, it wasn’t, it’s us, it’s stop. Oh, it’s on airplane mode, shucks. Oh my gosh, it’s mine, the only one. It’s not gonna ding.

[00:26:23] Mine’s not. Oh, mine’s gosh. Oh my, okay, there we go. No, yes, yes, nope. I apologize to our five listeners for having. Oh, there’s gotta be at least seven or eight now. So, yes, what? I’m just worried about mine being staticky on here with the heart monitor. But well, if it is so far, if anything happens,

[00:26:45] I’m blaming dave and it’s okay it’s your fault yeah it is one more week of this okay what have you guys.

[00:26:51] Been working on well we know Ron hasn’t been working on anything dave bathrooms I’ve been.

[00:26:56] Working on bathrooms rc related nothing I’ve been a little slow this week because I added a family.

[00:27:02] Member yes she is adorable by the way went up to okay he’s gonna tell us sound like he was getting.

[00:27:11] Ready to move on. So I was like what? So I have no children. They’re minor four-legged fuzzies and so far it’s only been fred, because I lost maggie over the summer. So fred’s been needing a friend and one showed up on the internet. It was at a shelter in pekin, which is about 90 to 100 miles from us, and I didn’t really keep track. She is a another black lab mix of some sort, because I’ve

[00:27:41] Only had black labs for the last 35 years they come in other colors right I’ve been made aware.

[00:27:45] That they do come in other colors dave has a type I mean oh he does absolutely so yes.

[00:27:56] Quit be nice I mean yeah but she is adorable she is adorable she’s little though she is tiny she.

[00:28:03] Is for a lab. The vet thinks she’s between 13 and 18 months old. She’s a lab and she weighs 37 pounds. She looks like a three-month-old lab. Yeah, she looks like she’s small. She’s only going to get fatter. Yeah, not bigger. She was found down in vandalia- oh okay, in a river bottom, by the conservation police. How’d she end up in pekin transfer from a kill shelter to a kill shelter? I got you, I got you. So she was down in vandalia, which is about 100 miles south of us, so little.

[00:28:33] Girls have been traveling. She was found in a river bottom by the conservation police. She was fighting multiple raccoons over a deer carcass. Oh, she was extremely underweight and the raccoons kind of had their way with her. She was pretty beat up but she’s recovering quite nicely and she’s quite the little snuggler. Oh my gosh, she’s a lover.

[00:28:56] So dave, so dave. One of the other projects that dave’s going to talk about here in a minute that he’s working on, stopped by my house to pick this project up. I’ll let dave tell the story, but anyway, when he came by he had river. That was what you named her. Yeah, because she was found in the river bed. Yeah, he brought her by and, oh my gosh, she is. She is a lover. Yeah, I mean, she is just the.

[00:29:20] Sweetest dog, yeah, and working out with great with fred. Fred loves her, although fred is now realizing that he’s a bit of an old man now and can’t deal with that puppy energy. I feel bad for fred, nope.

[00:29:32] I was gonna say how about you dave how can you handle the puppy energy it’s it’s been it’s been.

[00:29:37] Rough. She settles right down, though she really does. It’s great. Well, good, I do have a lot of training to do with her. She knows nothing and I, being a trainer, kind of my dogs have to kind of behave. Yeah, it’s a little bit, although fred’s got his issues, but

[00:29:54] Fred does have issues, but he’s a great dog. Yeah, I think she’s a bit of an escape artist. Now she’s gotten out four times on me. So, oh man, gotten out of the house, gotten out of the yard. Oh she jump. She’s tiny and goes right through any little hole. That’s slightly bigger than her. Yeah.

[00:30:12] But the thing is she’s such a lover she could probably comes right back she comes back pretty.

[00:30:16] Good, yeah, yeah, but a lot of work there. So we’ve been working on getting her settled in for the last two weeks, been working on Reggie’s plane. The cockpit is almost done. It’s almost done. We’re waiting on a pilot to show up so I can finish sizing some things. Yeah, and Reggie did order.

[00:30:31] A pilot and it’s. He sent me a, a picture or a link to the website and I can’t remember what the website is, but pretty cool looking pilot. I fly tallies is where. Oh okay, it’s pretty neat. I don’t know if you’ve seen Ron, but it looks really, really good. It’s going to look good in that, in that. In.

[00:30:48] That cockpit? I think, yeah, so I’m hoping I don’t have to chop his legs off, but we should be good. Looks like there’s room. I think there is. Yeah, if you do, it would match shut up.

[00:31:01] Wow you want me to smack him you’re closer.

[00:31:06] What a jerk what I’m just saying. What I was thinking, oh, anyway. So anyway, the Reggie project is coming to an end pretty quickly. Cool. It looks good too. You figured out how to extend the push rods and so forth, so you want to talk about how you did that? Yeah, we can do that pretty, pretty clever idea, I think. So these are solid 440 push rods that are in the. It’s an ARF, it wasn’t. I was going to call it a kit, but that was wrong. It’s an ARF and they had solid 440 push rods in it.

[00:31:39] I think a little minimal size for the size of this airplane. It’s a big airplane, but that’s what they designed it for and it’s lived this long. So that’s true, but I need to relocate has.

[00:31:49] Reggie actually flown this one yet, though? I don’t believe so. That’s why it’s like this long. I wasn’t gonna say it be nice thinking it. Hey, trevor. Trevor told us to lay off of Reggie, so he’s in canada. What’s he gonna do? Sorry, trevor, if you’re listening, god, I need to send apology letters.

[00:32:06] I know anyway, 440 push rods. Hanger 9 designed it this way. It’s gonna be fine. I have to move the servos forward from where they were mounted in the back of the airplane previously because of the cockpit kit. So I need to extend the push rods and I’ve been fretting over this and I, as like I don’t want to buy all brand new push rods because these are set up. They just need to be extended about six inches using a roll pin to join 440 rod, it’s also known as a spring pin.

[00:32:40] Yeah, roll pin, explain. So. A roll pin is usually spring steel that’s been rolled to a diameter and it’s designed to be pressed- there’s a split in it- or hammered into a hole and then by friction- okay, because of the springiness of the steel, holds it in position and it just has.

[00:33:00] To be. The 440 rod fits in the 530 second roll pins perfectly. So we’ll get those in there, clean up nice, get a nice solder job on them and it’s a little extra insurance. I think I’ll put a wheel collar around them. Oh, that’s a good idea to kind of a little extra insurance that they’re not ever going to.

[00:33:16] Come apart. That’s a good idea, yeah, keep a little extra pressure on it, yeah, but I like I just thought that was like genius that you thought of a roll pin because they are hollow. Yeah, right, so I thought.

[00:33:25] That was: where’d you find, where’d you find the roll pins? It was a local coast to coast. Oh, actually it’s not coast to coast anymore, it’s ace hardware. Ace hardware, okay, which is there was one right around the corner from me. I’m sure I could go one of the other places in town and get them much, much cheaper, because these were 54 cents a piece. Oh my god, okay, ouch, that’s wow. Two dollars for four, four roll.

[00:33:49] Pins. Yeah, yeah, if you, yeah, anyway. Well, if, if you had known ahead of time I could have got them off amazon, you probably could have got a thousand hundred of them for five cents or something. Two bucks, yeah, anyway, anyway. So that project is almost I’d like I thought that was really smart that you, that you thought of the rule, like I would not have thought of that. Yeah, it should be fine. Yeah, I don’t see any.

[00:34:12] Problem with it, and I’ve soldered on those before they do solder. So, yeah, yep, awesome, get the acid out and the solder. And what else have you been working on? Oh yeah, so let’s hear how long ago was that?

[00:34:24] You had an incident with the f4 so gosh this has been at least two summers ago I think so it’s been.

[00:34:32] Two years okay I was wrong so anyway I built you a foam f4 phantom two yep many years ago.

[00:34:42] And to like to not cut you off but cut you off that one of all of the foam air force that.

[00:34:51] You built for me that one flies the best. Yeah, it flies great, except for mine. I built two of them at the same time, I know, and mine was perfect, yours was perfect, and mine has been gone for many, many years. Yeah, so it was launched incorrectly. -Huh Ron’s over there.

[00:35:13] Yeah anyway the entire nose was missing off of this is why Ron will not hand launch anything of mine.

[00:35:18] Anymore give the boy credit it is a difficult to launch airplane it has nothing on the bottom.

[00:35:24] Except for the cool handle you built specifically for launching it yeah I made a retractable handle and that stayed in my hand.

[00:35:35] A little technique involved and things happen let’s just put it that way yeah it is a difficult.

[00:35:41] Aircraft to launch. Though it is flat, it’s a. You got a flat bottom. There’s really no place to grab it. So I think that’s the first time, tommy, you ever wanted to punch me. Oh, not the first time, no, no, that’s probably the third or fourth time. I would say okay.

[00:35:55] Anyway completely missing from the front of the wing ford all busted off to your credit you got.

[00:36:01] Every single piece I did and he even tried to make me feel better saying this isn’t bad this will.

[00:36:06] Go right back together well within an hour it was fly see I told you it’s not pretty but it’s fly.

[00:36:13] I just didn’t have the gumption to use your word, yeah, gumption to do it. It just to be honest. The reason, I think, is because I was afraid that it wouldn’t fly as good as it did. Yeah, and if anybody was going to repair it, it would be the guy that built it originally, it’s.

[00:36:33] It’s all tacked back together, it’s got the first layer of filler on it and it’s going to be a fair amount of filler. Yeah, they always do, yeah, and it’s looking good. It’s going to get a fresh paint job.

[00:36:44] And it’ll be good to go. You’re going to go back with the same design. You’re going to make it gray. No, I’ll go back with the camo again. That’s great. Well, he likes gray. I know. Actually I was back and

[00:36:55] Forth. I thought about doing one of the death row aircraft from tyndall, which they’re the qf4s. Ah, and drones, drones, yeah, target drones. Don’t know, they take an f4 phantom, gut it and put rail control equipment in it. And I’ve been at the end of the runway on tyndall’s air force base, at the end of the runway, watching them take off and there’s nobody on board. It’s so weird looking. Yeah, they do.

[00:37:23] That with f-16s too they call them qf-16s but yeah are they are they painted like bright they are.

[00:37:29] Actually, as they came out of the boneyard. Oh and they. When the last time I was down there and they had qf4s. They have since ran out of them. Now they were. However, they came out of the boneyard and they were either gray or the southeast asia camo the thing. What they did with them then. All the death row aircraft, the horizontal stabilizers were all painted they. They glow red. So it’s high viz. Yep, cool, very neat aircraft. Yeah, weird seeing them take off with no pilot. No,

[00:38:01] Pilots make. Look right through the canopy. Yeah, no head, just weird. They could have at least put a helmet in there. I mean like, do you really need a pilot cut out? Yeah, person, so it at least looks.

[00:38:13] Right, I’ll make sure to up channel that with my. Would you let him thank command? Yep, I’ll let. That was my idea. Helmet on a broomstick: yeah, right, that’s all. It takes a little super glue, yeah, super glue, yeah, I mean what could go wrong? So, yeah, they’re using the f-16s now because they.

[00:38:32] Have ran out of viable f-4 airframes. Plenty of f-16s to choose from. A lot of them out there. What else? Anything else you’ve been working on? That’s all I’ve been working on. Reggie’s plane has been in my workshop for such a long time. There’s become a fixture now and I’m: yeah, it’s.

[00:38:47] A table now I’m rebuilding the f-4. Yeah, I noticed. I noticed you sent me- or actually you posted- pictures on the on the discord, I believe it was. And yeah, you’re using Reggie’s airplane as a table now. So there you go. At least it has a use. Yeah, true, that’s how small my room is.

[00:39:07] Your room is tiny and I’ve often marveled at the amount of work that you get accomplished in that tiny little space. Nothing falls. It can’t fall well, and if it does, it doesn’t have far to go because there’s usually something underneath it to catch it. What would really help if I got?

[00:39:25] That aquarium out of there’s a 75 gallon saltwater aquarium in there and all the equipment.

[00:39:29] With that yeah that’d give you a little more room it could be a fair amount actually it’d be like an.

[00:39:35] Extra closet room well it’s tank is four foot long and a foot and a half wide and what is it two.

[00:39:41] Foot tall, three, two and a half foot tall, something like that. It’s on a stand too, so right, yeah. So, yeah, get rid of all that, dave, it’s got the hanging lights, and then you can bring in more projects, more airplanes. Well, I have not been too busy. I finished up the beast, which I have yet to name. There are a few names that have sort of risen to the top, some finalists, yeah, and I will pick one, I promise, before the next episode, but I just have not, like just fallen in love with one yet. But

[00:40:17] Of the names that have been submitted. It will be one of our listeners suggestions, so somebody will be getting a free t-shirt. But I did finish the beast. It’s ready to go. I got the batteries in yesterday so I’m just waiting on a good day of weather. I’ve ran it. I posted a little quick little run video on facebook. Go check that out if you want to watch it. It runs good. Had to put a carb kit in.

[00:40:45] It been sitting a long time but it was leaking yeah the diaphragm was not pliable anymore but.

[00:40:51] It runs good. I’m excited to fly. It just needs a name and I promise by next episode I will have chosen one and somebody will get a t-shirt also worked on another airplane. What, what are you?

[00:41:06] Leading into well I thought we were gonna segue with that but well that’s fine I mean I didn’t.

[00:41:10] Know if there was another airplane you were no that’s it that’s just the beast and then this.

[00:41:13] Other one so now that tommy is out of airplanes to work on of his own apparently oh I guess I’m sorry.

[00:41:21] I hate to cut you off. I’m sorry, but I guess I did work on another one. I finished the shrike. Oh, that’s right, you said me. Oh god, I forgot about that. I rebuilt the. Well, it wasn’t a rebuild. I glued the vertical back on and did a little bit of recovering and reinstalled all the gear. But

[00:41:36] I think when you sent me the picture that and I saw it- I literally cussed and threw my phone down, crystal’s like what I was like. Now he’s just showing off. Look at this. Yeah, so it honestly it was like two hours worth of work. Yeah, it was really not. Do you want another one? Another project? No, another strike. No, I’m to the point where I’m never going to do anything with mine. Well, you should sell.

[00:42:04] It, take it to the, take it to dayton or toledo. I guess I could clean it up or whatever, or I’m not going to clean it up. Well, you’ll get more for it, especially if the engine’s not stuck, but anyway, yeah, so I, I got the shrike, it’s ready to fly, and then, and then, yeah, you can go ahead. Well, so then,

[00:42:22] You texted me and said, hey, do you have any projects? Because I don’t have anything and pretty much, yeah, I’m all cut up, I’m bored. It’s kind of what I got out of it. Or you felt bad for me and didn’t want to actually say you felt bad for me, that. So if I’m honest and I don’t want you to not be you, you had.

[00:42:37] Mentioned. I forget exactly how you worded it, but you were told no airplanes because you have this bathroom remodel project going on and obviously the boss wants you to focus on that. So I felt kind of. I felt kind of bad that you weren’t getting anything done. And I know the summer’s coming and I know that. I know it scares me. Yeah, and I know the Telemaster is if it’s not high on your like priority list, it was kind of high on mine because we’re going to take it hopefully to the eli tow event and do some towing with it, so it needs to get finished and flown. So ironically, I did.

[00:43:13] Feel bad for you. But well, thanks, I mean pity works, whatever, but honestly it my mind was kind of thinking the same thing before. I had actually a day, well, a night, not even a day, but a little bit of time to actually get down work on something, and so that one kind of came to the front of my mind. So I actually had started doing a couple things on it before you took it, like I the hatch for the, the ailerons for the servo hatch on that yep made the cutouts for their arms.

[00:43:45] And I probably took more time doing it with the laser than I should have. So, but they’re nice, clean, though those cutouts take me longer to do than just about anything else. Okay, so that’s let’s. How would you have done that? So this is what I started off. You mean without a laser? Yeah, well, no, just how would you have done it? Because you wouldn’t have asked me to do it on the lake? No, I wouldn’t have. So what? You don’t have time, and so I mean I could do the laying. Oddly enough, if it’s something for somebody else, she’s fine with that. So, but anyway, okay, so I just had, let’s say, it was a four inch square that was already covered, that already had a place to sit in the airframe in the wing right, and that.

[00:44:20] Was all it was just a flat piece of I think light ply what would you have done to cut.

[00:44:30] Start with a, then light ply, I mark out the hole that I’m going to cut and that’s based on the servo positioning height. Blah, blah, blah. There’s a lot going on there, yep. And then I will take and draw it out and, being light ply- which I don’t normally make, those out of light ply, so but light ply- I would take and just start scoring it with a X-Acto slice through it and then drill out the two ends so I get a nice round. Oh, I didn’t think. Yeah, that probably would have been a lot easier.

[00:45:02] Almost exactly how I would do it, but instead of drilling ends, I would take my dremel with a sanding drum and, just like, cut a square. Just.

[00:45:12] And then that’s round ends. I’d start with the drill, okay, and then I use the sanding drum to clean it up so it transitions. Nice, because your lines never line up quite right, exactly, yep, so how does?

[00:45:22] That work then with the covering like when you sand and do all that does it tear the cover there’s not.

[00:45:29] A lot of sanding involved. I mean with a sanding drum, it sort of it’s melted in place. Yeah, it’s sort of. It’s sort of. Yeah, iron is because of the heat, and then what does come loose? You just take your.

[00:45:39] Crappy soldering iron and yep okay seal it down on the edge yeah I usually will do this before I cover it.

[00:45:45] So it’s usually not a problem for me yeah I didn’t I mean that was already covered yeah.

[00:45:49] And your choice in this situation, that you have no choice. It’s already covered. How would you do the mounts for the servo? I always take and use hardwood. Depending on the size of the airplane, I’d either use a hardwood such as bass or whatever square, square, yep and do it upright with a triangle stock behind it to reinforce it. If it’s really big or heavy duty, I’ll use a plywood.

[00:46:15] Truss, gusset, gusset. Thank you, exactly. That’s exactly how I do them also. Okay, well, so I probably spent too much time on the computer because in order to position it correctly, I had to measure and obviously make a square that was the same size so I could position it or position it in the laser cutter and then made that line not cuttable. So when I put it in there to position that with our laser.

[00:46:45] Cutter. It has the little diode, laser light, whatever, and then you can go to each corner, so exactly where you want it, yeah, that way it’s centered. But then I just I designed a very simple three eighths inch wide by two- I mean I don’t remember what it was, might have been a half inch wide by two and a half inches long- and did the rounded corners and stuff, so it looks decent- and then just ran it through the laser cutter with both of those. Honestly, it probably took me of actually sitting down, measuring, designing it, maybe 10 minutes. Oh, that’s not bad. I mean of actual like

[00:47:23] Yeah, I get distracted. So it’s no longer than that. When you have a kid, and every 10 minutes, I’m hungry, I’m hungry that anyway. And so then cutting it. I mean 30 seconds each one, maybe something like that. So it wasn’t bad at all. I did learn a lesson, by the way. I forgot about this, so I tried to be lazy and not vent it outside because I figured it’s not a lot of cuts. I should be okay, that is not true. And lasers need to always be vented outside. And then you also laser cut servo mouse, which

[00:48:01] Do you want to talk about that? So I servo cut laser mounts you. I mean, I don’t know what you laser get- servo, laser cut servo mounts, you can if you want. No, they worked perfect and that was.

[00:48:15] Loud, you got excited. I’m sorry, it’s okay, they worked perfectly. I think you should make a bunch of those just so we have them laying around they. They work that well. Did you make those out of falcata? No, that was like right. Oh okay, because they smoked like a son of a gun, what I’d like. So I took my dremel tool to notch a little piece for the servo wire. So yeah, I knew, as soon after I made it, I knew that one side was going to have to have a notch cut out of it, not a big deal. Yeah, boy did that like. As soon as I hit it with the sanding drum, with the dremel man, it was like

[00:48:48] Smoke like really yeah it was crazy so I thought oh this might be falcata but no it was like.

[00:48:52] Apply either way. It worked out perfect. Yep, so I, and I don’t even know how to describe them. I mean, this is the kind that mounts your servo horizontally, yeah, no, horizontally, yeah, it’s horizontal to the flat surface, right, and there’s just a bottom plate with uprights and then the gussets that go on the back. I had two uprights in the front because I wanted more area to actually screw into, and I tried.

[00:49:17] To, yeah, the servo screws. I tried to center them between those two, right in that glue joint. They are super, super, super strong. So and then they were poxied them in. Yep, just I scuffed up the, the hatch plate, whatever, and then, yeah, scuffed up the surface of the mount and just stuck them.

[00:49:35] Right in there with some 30 minute out there. Okay, that’s what I was gonna ask too. So when I the way I did, it is the front, like I said, was doubled up. So where you actually screwed the servos into it was doubled up. I figured that didn’t need to be a strong joint because it’s gonna have screws through it. Yeah, and all that’s doing is just holding that pressure. So I ended up using CA glue around the corners on that one just to hold it, not on the bottom but just around the sides, so that it held them together. Yeah, you have a kerf, unfortunately when you use a laser cutter.

[00:50:08] It’s not a perfectly straight cut, so because of that I had to put those back to back. Does that make sense, so that the kerf was farther in on the inside? Yeah, so the gap was in the middle, not right? I figured that way there was a little bit more room. Well, first off, I wasn’t trying to balance on a point. If I would have done it the other way exactly, and it was still, even after I got the epoxy and stuff on, it was still kind of a pain to keep it nice and level. Like I know those are not 90 degrees.

[00:50:40] If you look at them, they’re plenty strong. Are they like level enough, though? It looked like. Oh yeah, apparently you didn’t have any problems. No problems at all. Okay, well, that’s good, yeah, that.

[00:50:48] Was what I was kind of afraid of. I mean, one of the servos may not be exactly parallel to the hatch, it may be canted just ever so slightly, but if you look at the arms coming out of the hatch you can’t tell it’s good enough, yeah, well, I mean I would say it’s better than good enough. Like you can’t tell that it’s at any kind of and the servo is mounted nice and flat against those beams or whatever you want, it’s the surfaces of the of the mount, so that all four screws are evenly.

[00:51:19] Hole, clamping the servo, like no, they’re perfect. Like I think you should make a bunch of those just for us. Yeah, it’s an easy. Can we just keep them around? Because that’s how handy they were. It sure beats me taking a piece of three-eighths inch basswood in my miter saw with the. I don’t know if you’ve ever tried to cut that stuff straight. It’s.

[00:51:38] Yeah I never I even get more nuts and use plywood from time to time so yeah fun cutting that yeah.

[00:51:45] Yeah so well in that case yes I can cut several out of a sheet yeah and you can glue them together and.

[00:51:52] Use them. Yeah, okay, you don’t have to do it right now, but I think it would be a good idea, like, especially if we’re going to be doing projects. Yeah, not a bad idea to keep those things around.

[00:52:02] I don’t know what you meant by when you raise your eyebrows with projects well I mean eventually.

[00:52:07] We’ll have projects I hope oh the tri-motor yeah okay.

[00:52:16] So anyway, we need to, but anyway, yeah, so I took your big 12-foot Telemaster home and pretty much finished it. There’s just a few small things left to do. There’s 20 minutes worth of work, yeah, at most. And you said you’d be able to do that, so I will find time to do that. Yeah, I love the bozo nose. Yeah, so makes me giggle. I love it. It’s cute. Yeah, I’ll take a picture of it tonight and I’ll put it on. I’ll put it on facebook or something, or maybe I’ll put it on.

[00:52:47] Discord or both, but yeah, so okay, oh, this came from steve. Actually this spinner was in the boxes I’m talking to. I talked about. Steve earlier sent me a box of just stuff and of interest for a couple of engines that I was interested in. Anyway, this spinner was in that box of stuff that

[00:53:08] Steve sent us. So okay, we’ve got it’s. So I’m gonna be honest. When you sent me the picture of it, I thought you were joking because it looks so silly. So I said, well, we can just call it rudolph, and it will. It will work until I get a new spinner. Well then you told me it was new and had never been cut before, so you had to cut it and make it fit. So then I started to feel even worse, as you should. And then cat’s back, and then I saw the price tag that was on it.

[00:53:39] 50 Cents so I felt a little bit less bad. But now that I find out that it came from steve- yeah, it was in the box of stuff that steve sent me. Perhaps it shall live on. Yeah, I, I think it looks great on.

[00:53:54] There it as dave like I couldn’t figure out what the spinner was, was for, like, what airplane? And then dave mentioned it earlier when he saw it he’s like: oh yeah, it’s a texan spinner, a t6 texan. And that’s exactly what it looks like, the spinner I mean, and it looks perfect like it’s bright, red, bulbous nose. Yeah, that it should go honka when you grab it. Yeah, it looks fantastic. So, honestly,

[00:54:18] Like I’ve never taken this plane seriously, like I don’t know how to describe it other than it’s not. Like it’s not a plane that you’re going to take somewhere and be like: hey, look at the look, how nice this is constructed, look, how look, how awesome this is. It’s always been kind of just like a toy plane to me, even though it’s big. Like, does that just a big goofy kind of understand what I’m going with? It’s not scale, it’s not anything like that, it’s not anything that. It’s a tool like this wasn’t.

[00:54:48] When I first got it, oh okay, like I had no clue, I was going to get a big glider that I wanted to use it for a glider tow. But yes, now it has become a tool, hopefully, for towing that. But after seeing that bulbous nose, somehow we got talking about maybe putting googly eyes on it on, like where the canopy would go. And then somebody said something about like a smile on the side: I, I, I might, I mean.

[00:55:17] Like I’m kind of leaning towards that being a stupid idea. I think I think you should go for it, like I think that’ll be. I think that’d be awesome. I think it would fit especially now with that.

[00:55:28] Spinner on it and that’s the only thing yes like the spinner is what as soon as you take that spinner.

[00:55:32] Off and put a serious air quotes a serious spinner on it then all the other stuff you put on it will.

[00:55:38] Look dumb yes right now with these giant tires it’s really starting to get the a disney vibe yeah.

[00:55:44] Like they’re like the car’s eyes or the airplanes or what was the planes yeah I knew.

[00:55:51] Airplanes yeah it definitely does have a planes even the even the design of the of the trim is very.

[00:56:00] Animated. Yeah, okay, yeah, so no, I think it’s not a serious looking plane, right, and we talked about a little bit earlier before we, before we sat down to record, and you said something to the effect of: yeah, I don’t want to, because you were talking about the electric start, putting electric start on it to help us balance it. I don’t want to spend the money on it if. If I don’t like the way it flies- and I can pretty much guarantee you that you’re not going to like the way it flies- it’s not going to fly like anything else you have. It’s just a big, boring, dumb airplane. But it’s going to be a tool to haul.

[00:56:35] Other airplanes into the air with so Telemaster big tell hey speaking of telemasters.

[00:56:42] What okay well I the way you started to say that before it sounded like you were trying to say.

[00:56:49] Something and I don’t know. Well, you, okay, I, I tend to lose track of thought in mid-sentence, so that could be true. But before we get off the Telemaster subject: someone else is building intel or working on a Telemaster. One of our listeners, jose carlos, if you’re listening hello- and your dad, you guys, are working on a Telemaster also, he tells us. I just wanted to say hi and thanks for listening. They hit me up on facebook and said that they’ve listened to every episode. That’s a lot, which is

[00:57:22] More than I’ve done. That’ll more than I’ve done. If I’m honest, I have not listened to all of them. Well, we live it. We don’t have. Well, that’s true. But and anyway, jose carlos, hope you’re still listening, buddy, and stick with the Telemaster. It’s a good flying airplane, even though Ron hates them. I do not hate them. Don’t put words in my mouth. Well, you don’t. Particularly well, to be fair. To be fair, when you flew the trash can Telemaster, you were not a fan, but that was right when it was underpowered with the, the old nitro motor, I think you would like, maybe like it now. Yeah, well, it’s almost.

[00:57:58] Been a year since it got doinked into the ground at joan. Also. Maybe it’s time to. Are we gonna take that back with us? Oh, I don’t know. Well, I don’t know what to take with us and look, we’re back on.

[00:58:08] Joan hall. Well, we talked. I mean, it was full circle. Yeah, we talked about Telemaster trash can Telemaster. We flew it at joan hall and, yes, I broke the prop. I thought about taking the jet. We’ll see.

[00:58:20] I mean, you should probably fly it first before you take it there. I should. I better have a phone by then, because you need your license. Yes, I know I need mine as well. Well, I guess we will have to do that. So, anyway, that’s what we’ve been working on. So it’s ready to go. The big, the big 12-foot Telemaster is pretty much ready to go. It’s ready for engine runs for sure. Now I know where. I think.

[00:58:42] I thought you were going with that before okay but do tell receiver oh yeah we’re going to talk.

[00:58:51] About big plane setups, weren’t we? We can do that a little bit. 15 000 Milliamp of battery- yeah well, the battery is not what I’m worried about, but that’ll well. No, there’s no need to worry about it. You’ve got enough battery in there for four airplanes. But I digress- and a power safe receiver in a certain

[00:59:07] An airplane that has six servos that are barely bigger than standard size servos so where is the.

[00:59:13] Line like: like, honestly, we have different opinions, we do. We’ve found big plane setups, we do. And yeah, I tend to err on the side of caution and I’ve said that before I’ve gone down the road that you’re doing with the beast, with the yak, and I was not comfortable with the outcome. So you guys give me a lot of heck, for, and I’m gonna be honest, it’s not even the Telemaster, that’s not the only one, that’s.

[00:59:46] Getting a power safe receiver the glider also is for sure getting a power safe receiver.

[00:59:53] I would put one of my six channel park flyer ones in it and be comfortable with it yeah well I wouldn’t.

[01:00:00] For sure, because it’s gonna be flown away or a lot farther away than park fire. So, anyway, go ahead. Well, and so the whole reason that’s getting a power safe is: oh well, shoot, I don’t. I just remembered I have another plane that I could put that in: that other yak, the 50 cc carden yak. I probably flew that fine with an ar8000. Yeah, I know you did fine. So, okay, I probably won’t put it in that one, although I just remember that I might. I might end up doing one in there, but anyway. So where do you draw the line?

[01:00:35] And why am I putting one in? That one is because I will have an extra one, because I ordered, like the power safe. I have now the ar20400t that’s in the jet will be extra because of the new synapse that’s coming. That’s hopefully shipping soon. Once that comes out of the jet, like I said, it’s going into the glider. And for me, yak, I’ll probably buy a new one for the. We’ll see. I mean, I, I feel better, okay.

[01:01:04] Having. If it makes you comfortable, and that’s really. I mean we can give you all the, all the headache and all the crap about it that we want to, but in the end it’s, it’s whatever makes you feel comfortable, and if it makes you want to fly it more, then I’m all for it. Yeah, putting whatever.

[01:01:23] You want in it, honestly, like the other thing- not necessarily power safe- that I am drawn to them with. I mean, I’m still gonna make fun of you, but I fully accept that as you should, because I probably deserve it for something. What I like about them, though, is that the batteries plug right into them. Yeah, that’s pretty handy soft switch, so I’m not worried about having a switch for go on.

[01:01:47] Soft switch spectrum makes those for just regular old radios. Now too- I don’t know if that or not- for like your old one, really, yep, yep. How does that work? I don’t know. It plugs in like a regular switch, I guess, into the battery port. Like, let’s say, you have an ar8000 and it’s got the battery port where you would plug your switch lead into. This switch plugs into that lead, and it’s one of those push button switches just like on these. It’s out there. I don’t. I’d have to.

[01:02:16] Look that up, because I don’t know how that would work. That doesn’t make any sense to me. What do you mean? So where are you plugging the battery into? Into the other side of the switch? It’s, it’s the switch.

[01:02:25] Has two leads, okay, one to go you to receive one for your battery. Well, that is a. It is a fail on switch, okay. Well, that’s not how these are. No, I know that. Okay, but it’s that very switch just.

[01:02:37] Designed to work with older style non-power safe receivers, but still, if you’re running two batteries, you would need two switches. Yes, so that’s what I like about the single switch setup. I got you the soft switch setup that fails. On about the power safe receivers, that’s just nice to me that, and it’s nice big leads going into the receiver and it’s designed to handle not only higher amperage but also it’s designed to take more satellite receivers, which does I know you don’t like it as.

[01:03:09] Much but it makes me feel better that’s and that’s like I said that’s what’s important bottom line.

[01:03:14] You’re happy, we’re happy, yep, and if yeah, and if it makes you want to fly that particular airplane more, then I’m all about it, because I want to fly more, not less. Yeah, so cool.

[01:03:28] Three these I, I just gotta say it. So it’s a 12 foot Telemaster, has a dle 55 ra on it with an opto kill and, would you say, mid-grade spectrum servos, standard size spectrum service, but they’re like the middle of the road. Yeah, they’re not high voltage but they’re not like the super high torque but they’re not standard torque either. They’re kind of middle of the road as far as their high voltage offerings go. Six of them actually, no, no five, I was gonna say they’re. That’s they’re.

[01:03:58] Probably more on the lower end okay because they’re only they’re a 30 bucks piece okay which I think is.

[01:04:03] Great for a. So there’s five of those in this airplane plus a another. I didn’t catch what the choke switch was. It should be the same. It’s not, it’s different. There’s. Oh no, it’s a. I’m sorry, it’s.

[01:04:16] A high-tech high I was gonna say there’s a one odd ball in there but anyway because it was only 15 bucks.

[01:04:23] Six servos in this airplane. So you got six servos drawing some current and the ignition right. Three, seven point four volt, five thousand milliamp bat. Like why he wants to turn it on monday and still be able to fly on sunday. Well, he’ll be able to, so he’s got plenty of capacity.

[01:04:46] So the answer to your why? Question is a: I own the batteries. Okay, I like to have multiple batteries work for the same thing and it’ll handle the weight, so why not? Okay, talk me out of it. I’m not going to try to because, like I said, if that makes you want to fly it, then it’s just the ease of not having to keep different batteries for multiple airplanes. Yeah, like that’s the same, believe it or not. That’s the same size batteries that I have made for the 50 ccx and, to be honest, like weight really.

[01:05:19] Isn’t a concern with this huge, huge airplane with all this wing area? No so, and it’s light anyway. Yeah, I mean like yeah, when we were trying to balance it early, it’s really not as heavy as I.

[01:05:31] Was expecting it to feel: yeah, I don’t remember what the actual weights are, but looking between, like this one on the plans, because this is an actual kit built airplane- looking between this one and the ARF, I want to say the ARF was at least like eight pounds heavier. Really it was a big difference.

[01:05:49] No kidding, huh, yeah, I wonder why, but I don’t know. Use two by fours, yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe they could have. So I take a different approach to setting up large airplanes. For example, let’s take the beast. My plan is I’m going to control it with a ar and older ar: 90, 90, 300, I think it is I. I get there, like I don’t get there. It’s a nine channel spectrum receiver with nine servos, all of

[01:06:27] Them digital high voltage and I’m going to run them all off of one 2500 milliamp lithium ion battery and then one lithium ion battery same size for the ignition. That’s what I’m going to fly this airplane with, because that scares me. Well. Here’s why so much so I, I. I’m a firm believe believer of the kiss principle: keep it simple, silly. But I don’t say silly, stupid. You can say stupid. So the fewer

[01:06:59] Things that are in my airplane. To fail means to me I have more chance for success, right? So I am going to put switches in this plane, even though I don’t want to, because the canopy- you have to unbolt it to take it off. In my double vision it’s an easy off canopy and I’m not. There’s no switches. Like you, I plug the batteries directly into the leads that go to the receiver and there’s no switch. I did put an opto kill on it. I didn’t want to, but I think I think that is a necessity at

[01:07:34] Some places you fly at, I think they require. I think so too, because you have to have some way to operate your ignition from the transmitter, which a properly set up carburetor is. They want to be able to kill spark and I get it. So anyway, that’s in there. But yeah, the, the batteries I ordered from pro modeler. I’m not gonna, I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a pro modeler fanboy. I guess you could like you’re a horizon fanboy, I’m a pro modeler fanboy, and what he does, what he, what john does.

[01:08:04] Says. It makes a lot of sense to me. Like all of his batteries, he doesn’t build them right, he specs them and then they’re built china, probably wherever, but he specs them with. Well, there’s four leads on every battery. Go ahead, okay. I was just making sure we’re talking about batteries. Yeah, yeah, so like the receiver battery and ignition, he, he builds, he specs them out and he has them built with four leads. There’s two- I call them jst leads, I think he- I think they’re called something else- in the in his business. But basically the this servo end right has two of those. It has an xt. I want to say 30 on it.

[01:08:38] The smaller xt to charge it. And then one extra lead with no plug on it. I take that back. One balance lead, I’m sorry. Okay, so four leads more sense. So I’m gonna preface what I’m getting ready to say with this: I have never seen a battery fail just by itself in an airplane, like I’ve never seen an airplane go down because the batteries stopped producing or providing power. A fully charged battery.

[01:09:09] Okay, I’ve seen people take off with less than fully charged batteries. Okay, not counting that I’ve never seen a battery fail like I’ve seen switches fail. I’ve experienced switches failing. I’ve seen servo connections come apart. I’ve seen like I’ve seen lots of different ways for radios to fail and airplanes to crash because of- I’ve never seen it- because of a battery failure. Right so one battery, two leads plug directly into the receipt- well, switches for each lead- and then into the receiver, right so at least,

[01:09:44] If one switch fails, the odds of the other switch failing are astronomically low. Because I have to put switches in it because of the canopy right. One battery with two leads directly into the receiver keeps it simple. I don’t have any other gizmos to worry about. I don’t have a power distribution system that I have to worry about and I have been assured by three people: john from pro modeler, one guy that I talked to that may or may not be an expert, I don’t know he’s. He sent me a lot, a long list of reasons.

[01:10:15] Why he does what he does, and then some other random guy on facebook. They all concur and I did some searching on rc groups and things like that too, reading through the horizon, I’m sorry. The spectrum forum- there’s a spectrum only thread and read a lot of that. You can plug a like: if your receiver is high voltage capable- right, and this ar9300 is- you can plug a high voltage, high torque, high speed.

[01:10:43] Brushless whatever servo into every single port in that receiver and the receiver will. No matter what you’re doing with battery. As long as your battery can push enough voltage to run those servos, the receiver will not brown out. Now I don’t know what happened with your yak. I wasn’t there like and I we’ve talked about it before and I still don’t know. Yeah, but based on everything I’ve read and the what people have told me, I am not going to have, or I shouldn’t have, any issues as long as the battery.

[01:11:16] Is solid. I should have no issues running all nine of those servos with that ar90. I think it’s a 90300 t servo, I think, or receiver. Excuse me, I’ve never even heard of that one, but okay, it’s an older one. Yeah, I mean they. It’s obviously discontinued. It’s been discontinued for a few years, but this is one I got used. So another thing you love go figure. No see, I used servos, used receiver, new batteries, so I should be good. New switches. I’ll put new switches in a new opto. Kill makes me so.

[01:11:49] Uncomfortable, I mean. So I’ve ran it that way on the ground, like when I did the little run before that video. I ran it for about- conservatively, I’ll say- five minutes and then I did a lot of setup and moving servos around and getting everything set up and making sure the ailerons are even and like I had it on for a long time, plus the engine run when I finally went to recharge the, the crappy

[01:12:21] Batteries that I had in there just for setup, because I just got the new batteries, I put on the radio battery, I put 200 milliamps back in it and that, and conservatively, that’s 10 minutes worth of now. Granted, there’s no aerodynamic load on the surfaces or anything like that. When I’m doing it on the ground, I get that okay. But, and scrolling through the tele, because it’s a telemetry receiver, scrolling through the telemetry, no holds, no frame losses, no, not. Granted, I wasn’t far away either, but I was gonna say it has nothing to do with battery, but no fades or any of that, nothing.

[01:12:55] To do with power or nothing to do with any of that. So that’ll have to do with signal, and I’m not worried about signal because this thing has two satellites. Okay, so I’ve got the receiver with the two antennas on the receiver, plus there’s two satellites. I’m maybe, maybe something will happen. I hope it doesn’t, but I’m, I’m fairly confident that this will set this setup, because I, I mean, I’m very confident because I flew a very similar setup in the yak that’s in your garage, with no

[01:13:21] Problems minus a couple of servos because your beast has yeah true servos on each true on each.

[01:13:30] Yeah, two more servers, but we’ll see. I mean, yeah, and that’s exactly how I built. Now the double vision is a smaller airplane, 50 cc size, but that’s exactly how I set that one up to minus the switches, and that one hasn’t been made yet, but it’s a, it’s not the, it’s an 80, an ar80, whatever. It’s an eight.

[01:13:50] Channel but yeah we’ll see okay so devil’s advocate let’s say you get your bronco yeah see something.

[01:14:00] That I spend that much money on, I’ll probably put a power safe in it. See, that’s there we go. That is my point. But I mean, like that is a much different beast and not to use, not to generalize the term beast, that’s a different and that is a different animal. Like that, that is something that I will buy brand new, that I will spend whatever, and I’m probably going to go electric. So there’s, that’s a, that’s the whole other thing with the electronics and bec and stuff that.

[01:14:30] I’m like not well versed in, so I’ll probably play it on the safe side. Maybe I’ll use the power safe that’s in that s box. Okay, hang on to that and don’t think you’ll use bec’s on that. You’ll have it all separate. But that’s okay. I don’t like when it comes to electrics. You’re gonna have to educate.

[01:14:46] Me. I think you’ll have seven batteries in that, one because you’re gonna have well, there’ll be four for propulsion. Yeah, there’s going to be two for each motor. Yes, so there’s four. There’s going to be two for your receiver and, most likely, if that’s set up same way as the jet, there’s going to be one for the retracts. Yeah, so, one, two, three, four, yep, seven batteries, seven batteries, it’ll be worth.

[01:15:15] Yeah, that spectrum charger is starting to look pretty good they are, so anyway, I like them very much. Two very different schools of thought on big airplanes set up and, like I said, we’ll see how.

[01:15:27] It pans out but I mean like I get wanting to be budget friendly and stuff this really isn’t about.

[01:15:34] For me, it’s really not about the budget. It’s about keeping things simple. The power safe receivers are super easy to use. I’m not saying they’re not right, but they’re also 200 and the cheap one is 220. You just said it’s not about saving money. Well, okay, so it’s a little bit okay, but I, if I already have a receiver capable of flying the plane, I’m going to use that every time, unless I need.

[01:15:56] Like the bronco. So what I probably would have done- not that you asked- I probably would have taken the power safe out of your s-box and put it in the beast I could. It’d be easy enough to do, but I’m just for peace of mind only, because so the whole beast deal, it’s kind of one of those once in a lifetime plane things. You’re probably not going to be finding many of them for sale. Yeah, there’s a few out there. Still, there’s a few out there. Yes, but you’re not going to want to spend money on them. No, so that’s why, if this one goes away, you’re probably not going to have another one.

[01:16:31] And maybe you fly it and decide you don’t want another one, and that’s fine. But I just would not like to see I mean same with the big glider for me, the way this all worked out, that’s how I got it- would I go out and buy one finished and all that at this point? No, maybe in five, ten years, I don’t know. But I just, I mean, I don’t know, so it’s worth.

[01:16:52] The investment for you to protect it to protect it I see what you’re saying and that’s kind of how.

[01:16:58] I go. I mean I feel like I have all the bases covered. I really do remind me, though. I do want to give you the servo or not servo, the amp meter to take before you go. Yeah, see what? I would be very curious to hook that up just at the battery before it goes into the receiver and see what you’re pulling, move everything. Put some sort of. I’ll need some help have somebody put resistance on those.

[01:17:21] On the surfaces just to see. Yep, yeah, I’d be curious. Yeah, it’s funny, like the amount of like searching I’ve done with google and like it’s nearly in, well, it’s impossible, I can’t find it anywhere. Like, what is the rated capacity of an ar 8 000 receiver? It’s not out there. Like, yeah, like.

[01:17:44] I can’t find that data anywhere so like what the bus is actually capable of handling exactly like.

[01:17:51] Like: how much current can I run through this receiver before it stops working? I can’t find that. They’re. They’re very transparent about how much voltage it takes to run it. Yeah, if it falls below this voltage- 3.7 I think it is, or three something, it’s a little, I think each one. There’s a little difference in some of them, but they’re, they’re very transparent about telling you that, but they’re not transparent about telling you how much current can I run through this receiver, like, yeah, I mean, I, I get it, you can. So each one of those jst connectors is limited about two and a.

[01:18:29] Half amps is about all you’re going to get through those before they start causing problems. Thus the two leads on one battery. You, even if I’m pulling five amps, well I’m, I’m good because I’m having it at each connector. But yeah, as far as the receiver goes, spectrum won’t tell.

[01:18:47] You well and or I haven’t been able to find it going back to like the airplane setup and stuff for the big yak. Now, when you’re talking about keeping it simple, to me the power safe is keeping it simple because the way that one was ran- two batteries, batteries plugged into voltage regulators. Voltage regulators could have had something to do with it. Like I fully admit that there was something wrong with the setup to make that happen, but voltage regulators then went into the receiver. That took all

[01:19:21] The power and gave it to the servos that controlled it. That way understood, I’m sorry. No, there was a switch, two switches on there too, so it was switches before the regulator. So yeah, it was battery switch regulator receiver mm-hmm on both sides, and then there was also match boxes in there which I mean could have drawn a little bit extra power through it too, but anyway, so there’s a lot of failure points in there. By going to me now with the power safe receiver, where you can separate every channel out, you don’t have

[01:19:55] To worry about match boxes. You don’t have to worry about why cables, why harnesses, anything like that. You are getting clean signal, clean power to one receiver via two batteries, and it’s a much simpler.

[01:20:09] Setup it is to deal with yeah it’s it’s and as far as wiring goes it’s it’s a yeah it’s pretty simple.

[01:20:15] Well, that’s like. So I replaced in the big yak- I was flying that afterwards- with the smart fly, I think smart fly right eq6, and what I liked about that is that was once again one board. Everything built on to it, to where the regulator was built in. I was stable or still able to use my I lean after that time. I think it was 5 000 milliamp hour, two cell LiPos- weird things don’t change, and so I mean just the simplicity of that. Even though the, the receiver was separate, all the power was ran outside.

[01:20:48] The receiver, and then it just became, or became a receiver, yeah, not a power distribution, not power. Yeah, signal and power, yeah. So I mean that’s, I don’t know to each other, I just hope everything.

[01:21:00] Works okay for you. I do too. I would be. I mean, I’m gonna, I’m obviously, I’ll range, check it and all that before I, before I fly it, and I think that’s the thing too, like not to jump over you.

[01:21:13] But mine worked fine until it didn’t- and that was I mean, like I said, it wasn’t my first flight on it, it had flown several times. Yeah, so that, I think, is what made me more cautious in the beginning. Yeah,

[01:21:29] Well, what we have now is we have telemetry. That we didn’t have then, right, yeah, so hopefully I’ll be able to see something on the ground, like during my run-up, if I’m monitoring everything. Hopefully I’ll be able to see something before it happens. Yeah, but we’ll see. I fully intend to fly it at least once this way. Okay, don’t do any wild acrobatics. Well, I’m afraid to anyway, because this is a rebuild. I forgot you don’t? Dave is already afraid. The wings are going to come off. Just snap, roll it on takeoff.

[01:22:03] And get it over with. Let’s get a camera on that so you can see the whole thing falling. I might, I might wait till the third or fourth, if it lives, that long flight before I really try to test the airframe. See, I think it’s going to be just fine. I hope so. Like, my biggest concern is the gear. But we’ll see flandings. Only you can do it, no bounces, yeah, yeah, big plane setups, two different schools of

[01:22:29] Thought do your research maybe one day we’ll get into it in more depth yeah I would like I’ll be.

[01:22:36] Honest, I’m not an expert and I would like to know more. Yeah, and I think I’ll. I’ll get there. Yes, because I’ll have to learn when- unless I win nice- when I eventually get a bronco, I’ll have to learn that stuff, because that’s something I’ll definitely want to protect. Yeah, not that I don’t want to protect the beast, but I’m, I’m, I’m willing to take the risk to keep it simple and cheap. What

[01:23:04] Cheap. Is that? See, that’s it like I’m. I’m the opposite on that, because the beast is more irreplaceable than a bronco if something happened to it. Like you can order, new broncos are always on back order. They’re in stock now, according to the website. Yeah, like they got three of them, or whatever.

[01:23:20] It is maybe I don’t know but anyway there’s a surprising number of beasts that I’ve seen.

[01:23:25] Lately for sale so they’re out there maybe I don’t see for sale stuff very often but anyway.

[01:23:32] It’s probably a good thing. That’s probably a good thing. Probably a good thing, like right now there’s a. There’s a great plains pitts m12 for sale on facebook and, man, I love that airplane. It’s a da60.

[01:23:44] And big biplane. Yeah, I know it’s a biplane, that means nothing to me. I just I don’t know something about the pits with the round cows. I really like them. If it’s red and black, I do too. Well, the beast is red and black, I know it might have been one of the ones that solidified my like of that color.

[01:24:03] That combination I can see why it’s an attractive color scheme which is why I opted to keep it I’m.

[01:24:08] Glad you did, otherwise it would have been dead to me and I wouldn’t have cared what you put in it. All right, I’m done rambling. I’m done too dave, dave, I think is it time to wake up.

[01:24:19] Yeah, I’ve put wow to sleep your sultry voice. I just don’t follow with the big airplanes because everything I do is very low performance. Basically, I treat it like a 60 size airplane, so I just don’t have the experience that you guys have with that. We’ll get you there one of these days. No, you’ve got big airplanes- big airplanes, but they’re low performance. World war one and yeah, but they’re

[01:24:43] They’re worthy of protecting because of the amount of work and stuff here it’s not so much about the.

[01:24:48] The performance, I think is it. I think he. I understand where he’s getting the higher performance servos, all that stuff. Oh, so much, I got you. I got you four flies with standard servos, yeah, and there’s no. And there’s special sort of. There’s no extra one, yeah. So I understand that.

[01:25:05] Completely so yeah it’s basically a 60 size airplane just in a giant package yeah so I mean that if I had.

[01:25:11] That would probably be like a 10 channel power safe receiver or something and only two five thousand.

[01:25:16] Oh anyway, yeah, I fly that with a. That’s on a 4.8 Volt instead of six, because I don’t know, I just don’t use six volt. Yeah, it’s on 4.8, 2 000 Milliamp nicad pack. It’s interesting, nicad, nicad, nicad, nicad. No, I.

[01:25:34] Mean, throw them away every year and put a new one in it. Why not? And I’m age 12- bucks, why not, nimh, I don’t know. Wow, I didn’t even know you could buy nicads anymore. They’re definitely, they’re definitely on their way out, yeah, yeah, well, you should buy like 10 now so you have the next 10 years. If I throw them away every year, I know then you have a new one next year. Here’s something interesting, just making a

[01:25:59] Joke just to not like go bad prolonging the conversation, but like. So you? You talked about low performance and you were talking about electronics, like standard servos, things like that.

[01:26:11] So servos back in the day- and when I say back in the day I mean like, let’s say, s148s, Futaba, s148s, they drew. Let’s say they drew at max, at stall, let’s say they drew 800 milliamps, 0.8 Amps, today’s servos, depending on the servo, right, but they don’t. They draw more right, they, they do, they do draw, but not as much as people like think. It’s not like five amps or two amps.

[01:26:44] It’s like maybe it’s 1.2 Amps at stall. I mean we’re only talking maybe a 25 to 30 increase in amp draw. So really, other than more servos- because on the bigger airplanes guys are ganging up two and three servos per panel or whatever the performance- the performance is not the same, but the requirements to feed them is only a small percentage more than what we required back then.

[01:27:18] Yes, we’re doing it with a higher voltage now because we can, and that does improve the performance of the servo, but as far as like the draw it’s, it’s well. Higher voltage means less amperage.

[01:27:30] Okay. So that even goes farther to sort of drive home. What I’m getting at is: you, could you? I could potentially max out my receiver by using old servos as opposed to new servos, because they’re way less efficient. Because they’re way less efficient and they draw almost as much power at a lower voltage, right? So if I, if you took yesterday’s yesteryear’s servos, updated them to today’s specs, they would be like today’s specs, right, you could still run them off the power.

[01:28:05] Systems that we were using back then. If that makes sense, like you could build a 7.4, 7.2 Volt nicad pack and if your servos could handle it back then you could power them with that low performance nicad pack is what I’m getting at like. Just because the servos are new and modern and produce more power doesn’t necessarily mean that they draw more amperage, and what I’m saying is current through the receiver. That’s kind of what I’m getting at, understood, I think yeah, today’s servos are much more.

[01:28:40] Efficient than yesterday’s servos, which required more power. Today’s servos are more efficient. They’re using the- not the same, but marginally more power. What are you using in the beast? What do you mean? What servos? Yeah, well, that’s a mix of servos, but they’re all digital high voltage. Are you using the ones for me or not? I’m running them with lithium ions, I’m sorry, at 6.6 Volts. Oh,

[01:29:05] Okay no I’m not doing 7.4 Because I don’t that’s what confusing so you have the 87 11s yes I have yeah.

[01:29:12] I put four 87 11s in the wings one in each wing and then I have those whatever those bluebird.

[01:29:18] I don’t you’re running those yeah okay bluebirds scare me really oh I’ve had so many failures with.

[01:29:27] Bluebirds there. Oh, I’ve dealt with, I can. I can easily swap them out, and I probably will, now that I’ve heard that, because I know nothing about bluebird servos. So I’ll swap them out for 87 11s. So it’ll be all, with the exception of the. No, I’ll put it on the throttle too. What the heck? Well, you’ve got plenty.

[01:29:43] Of them? I think eight. Thank you eight. You gave me eight, okay, yeah, yeah, there’s four in the airplane and there’s four sitting on my on my workbench, so I think that’ll be enough, right, is that? Does that include the one I just gave you? Yeah, because I had seven and I thought that was a 10 servo airplane. It didn’t. I have eight anyways, okay, yeah, so well, if I find two more 87 11s, I’ll give them to you because I have no use for, but no, I’m going to run them at 6.6 Volts, okay, and they should be able to handle.

[01:30:17] That I think so yeah so we’ll just see what the amperage draw is yeah that would be interesting.

[01:30:21] I’ll, I’ll grab that meter and we’ll test it. Okay, so is this horse dead? I think. So quit beating it. Let us know your thoughts, guys, if you guys are running big airplanes and you have a certain setup you like.

[01:30:37] Contact us. Hit us up on the contact us link on our web page or leave a voicemail, if you want to, on our phone number. I don’t have it in front of me. I had it in front of me the other last episode or episode before that and it was cool I could rattle it off. But if you go to rcplanelandcom there are multiple ways to contact us. So if you have a preferred method for your big setup, let us

[01:30:59] Know what it is and why also by the way what else is on the website now you finished oh yeah I finished.

[01:31:04] The beast repair, rebuild log. It’s done. So if you want to see all the stuff I did to that- and I tried to pare it down some it’s a lot of don’t just look at the pictures, you’ll, you’ll get it. You don’t have to read all the stuff I typed out, okay and that’s pared down so like it was really long before. So sorry, it’s okay, but it’s done. It’s done almost and there will still be, when it’s finished, a

[01:31:29] Video of it flying yes or crashing well hopefully it’ll fly before it crashes.

[01:31:34] And that’s true. It will at least get off the ground, we hope, as long as the gear doesn’t fold first. Don’t say that. Well, if the gear yeah, I guess technically yeah, anyway, okay, I’m finished, you finished, I’m finished.

[01:31:52] I am not finished. I want to thank Ron. I feel so official. Now I have a business card. He does yes, with your name on it. So if anybody wants a dave business card, just let us know and I’ll see I’ll get one.

[01:32:05] Out to you. Well, I figured, since we’re going to or we’re splitting up, doing dual duty- we’re doing the toledo show, we’re doing the toledo swap meet and then the dayton- it would make sense- dave is part of the crew now to have his own cards to put out, so he’s even getting emails now too. Yeah, yeah, of course he was getting emails. He just checks his junk folder, yeah, anyway. Anyway, I didn’t consider either emails.

[01:32:31] From our listeners to be junk so why should I look in the junk folder just in case when we say hey you.

[01:32:37] Should be getting them. Yeah, and you’re like, well, I don’t see anything. Well, maybe check it once in a while. I check it just to see if I’m missing anything, and I’m usually missing all the junk mail, so me too. What’s really strange, though, is it does not ding my phone for the junk. Yeah, I have.

[01:32:52] Notifications turned off on mine. Oh what, all right, we’re gonna go a little bit longer tonight. There was something I wanted to bring up on here. Oh, oh, here comes phone. Yeah, it was a question that somebody wrote in hold on, hold on, hold on, and it was. It was fitting, because it was Telemaster related.

[01:33:13] Oh, so we are. Hold on, I wouldn’t, I would, I would not say that we’re Telemaster experts, but we have a fair amount of experience with telemasters, I think, in almost every size, because I messed with that 40 size a little bit that Reggie had. Oh, I forgot about that. We’ve got the eight footer. Was there a six foot? Maybe that was the 40 size. I think that was the 40 size, yeah, and then now we’ve got the, the 12.

[01:33:38] Footer is there a bigger one I don’t know somebody somewhere’s had to make probably like a.

[01:33:44] 16 Footer half scale of what it’s not a real airplane here it is I’m looking right at it oh you.

[01:33:51] Know what I mean. It’s real and I don’t have to say I have never flown a Telemaster. Well, that’s going to change this year. It’s just a big dumb, it’s just a big trainer type. Yeah, big goofy, I don’t.

[01:34:07] Want to say dumb, but just a big loafy, goofy cub, like sluggish, like it’s not even cub, like it’s. It’s weird, it’s, it’s hard to describe it. It’s fun. Well, I mean, I think it’s fun to fly, but it’s just, yeah, it’s, it’s just a big goofy. Just find it strange that all the trainers I’ve

[01:34:28] Flown over the years and as long as I’ve been doing this never have flown a Telemaster I had.

[01:34:33] Never flown one. Until we flew the, the trash can, Telemaster, I’d gotten all the and I’ve never flown one of those. What are they called flying king, which is kind of, I think, a similar? Oh, flying king? Yeah, I’ve never. I’ve never even actually seen one. I think I saw one at a swap meet. I think I saw one indicator- actually a swap meet- but yeah, I’ve never. I’ve never flown one. Bruce tharp engineering, the bte one is nice, but I’ve never flown one of those. There’s lots of airplanes I’ve never flown.

[01:35:04] So I’m gonna let you read this. Oh, you want me to read it. Well, you read it out loud, so we can answer it, and then we also. I haven’t responded to that one yet either. Hello, okay, I’m gonna start reading.

[01:35:14] Hello, I just purchased an original new in box Hobby Lobby senior Telemaster. Hey, that’s ours, all right. It has a 95 inch span and a 14 and a quarter inch cord. The plans call for making a one piece wing by gluing the two wing halves together. If I do that it would just very barely fit diagonally in the box of my truck. Truck’s box is six feet from front of box to tailgate. Also, moving this eight foot wing into and out of the house would be quite interesting. In quotes he says so I’m

[01:35:49] Considering making it a two-piece wing. I would recommend that. Yeah, I have been building and flying rc aircraft for over 40 years, but I have never made a plane this big before. So my questions are as follows: what is a very good way to join two-piece wing halves? Well, the way we did it, it was already done for us. We just cleaned it up and we had to make the joiners. But there are pockets built into each wing half that accept what I would call a blade style joiner. And then, I believe,

[01:36:21] We bolted- oh, I created a tongue on the front of the wing- that those, when they’re clamped together they slide into a notch that I cut in the former on the front former and then they’re bolted in the

[01:36:35] Back two bolts one per panel how was that before that’s exactly how it came out of the trash can.

[01:36:41] No, no, because we added the. Oh no, I take that back. You’re right, it had the, it had the joiners, but it had four holes crudely drilled into the wing panels through the sheeting, with no backing plates to bolt the wing to mounts in the fuselage and there is no wing tube, correct, right? So in place of in place of a wing tube are pockets that are built into the wing. So if you could imagine, there’s a top spar and a bottom spar and then you’ve got your two, what I would call sheer webs.

[01:37:14] Sheer webs. Thank you, dave. And then there’s like a pocket that’s sort of. I remember that now. Yeah, that’s sort of created by that. So beef that up and that will accept a spade style or a blade style which you cut out of the aluminum stuff. Yeah, so was ours supposed to be a one-piece or two-piece wing? The ARF, which is what ours was, was a two-piece wing. Okay, yeah, so I think the kit does tell you to build it one piece, but those plans I think you can find the.

[01:37:44] Plans for the ARF version on outer zone. I think is where I saw those. But anyway, you can create a pocket pretty easily to accept a blade style dihedral brace or whatever you want to call it. We made ours, ours went out quite, quite a ways, at least half the panel of each panel. Yeah, there’s a.

[01:38:06] Main one and then a secondary one that was back I forgot about that yeah we cut the rear one I don’t.

[01:38:12] Think I think the rear one honestly is overkill. I think we could have done the same thing with a dowel drilled holes in the wings. Put a dowel in for a few. Yeah, the dihedral would have stopped it.

[01:38:21] Though, do what? The dihedral would have stopped it, because those are v’s that we cut. Oh, that’s right. Yep, that’s right. There’s a lot of remembering going on as we’re talking about this. I forgot about that.

[01:38:32] Too yeah so but that’s how that’s how ours was ours was done because ours was the ARF version but if it.

[01:38:38] Was not designed to be that way. Yeah, what you’re saying, and we’ll probably have to take pictures and send it to him just to be, yeah, it’s safe, if I remember to. Yeah, but anyway, so with the way that the wing goes into the front, it’s kind of like a modern aircraft really, where you kind of have a

[01:38:56] What’s the word I would use: tongue, no, but yes, where you have a tongue that actually goes in and holds the front where that’s not coming apart. So we, what I did was I remember now a lot of remembering.

[01:39:08] Going on. I cut new wing root ribs and I incorporated- what did I mispronounce that? No, you’re good. And then I cut tongues. I added tongues to the leading edge of each of those. I know I’m using my hands, no, you’re okay. And then I glued those onto the panels and when those tongues come together they created a quarter inch wide thickness that I cut a quarter inch wide slot that they would key into on the former, at the front of the wing, if that makes sense- front of the fuselage.

[01:39:43] Front of the fuselage. Sorry, yeah, okay, where the wing. So the wing essentially would slide in at the front key, into that tab or that notch in the front and then sit down where we reinforce the back of the wing with two bolt holes and then mounts in the fuselage for that and then it won’t just push on it.

[01:39:59] That’s fine. If you want to bring it back, all right. Yeah, the side button will bring it back up, but anyway, so with that, that is just the width of the roots of the, the root cord thing, the- my mind just went blank. The rib, yeah, so the rib that we added on the inside it’s the same size as that where the, the tongue, goes into, so that it can’t go side by side. Exactly now. We would not fly that without the functional struts, though, because those struts are what’s going to hold all of your weight. Yeah, like this big.

[01:40:31] Telemaster has absolutely no supports that go from wing to wing. There’s no wing tube right and like, even like in the center. It’s just bolted in but not bolted on. Does that make sense? Yes, to us, because we know what we’re talking about. But if you can get it to where you cut it in half and don’t join it, as long as you have a little bit of area in the middle to hold it together right, like to have a little bit that goes between them right, and you have your struts done well and functional, built into it into.

[01:41:08] Actual hard points on the fuselage and the wings. You’re going to be fine without doing a one-piece wing. Yeah, the struts really lock everything together. Yeah, like this big Telemaster would not fly without the struts. Oh, absolutely not. Same with a small one: I would fold. Yeah, it would just right.

[01:41:24] In the middle. Yeah, so that’s. That’s one way you could do it. If you’re building it from a kit, you could also probably incorporate a wing tube system, but with the amount of dihedral that’s in this.

[01:41:38] Airplane that might be problematic you could build it without you may you may run into issues with it.

[01:41:44] What do you mean without dihedral? Flatten it, oh you could, but then. But then it wouldn’t fly like a Telemaster. I don’t think the big one doesn’t have. Yes, it does. How much it has some. Okay over 12 foot it doesn’t take much. I guess that’s true. Yeah, it’s got dihedral, yeah, and he- so jim here- goes on to say: are there any videos showing how to do that and what materials would be suitable for the stresses involved? He says there is some dihedral to consider also. I don’t know about videos, that’s a good.

[01:42:19] Question. Actually, I imagine if you do a youtube search and use keywords like wing half, join it’s. It’s an algorithm, right you? You put in the words you want to see and it’ll come up with videos. There may be videos- I don’t, I’ve never personally looked for any, but if I find some I’ll send you links. Are there any video? Okay, dihedral to consider. Yeah, I mentioned that. Instructions say to lay one wing half flat on the table and to raise the other wing half up three.

[01:42:52] Inches, then glue the halves together. Yeah, that’s a lot of dihedral even for that big airplane. Yeah, right feet. Also, what would be a good way to attach the wing halves to the fuselage? Yeah, we kind of, we kind of covered that. Yep, we should. We should just take pictures of ours and send it to them- yeah, maybe both of them, so you can see, like, the differences. Thinking, though, about our, about the trash can Telemaster, I bet it would fly without the struts. Those braces go deep, yeah, I’m.

[01:43:26] Afraid of that middle joint though, because we’re the aluminum composite paneling that we use in there. That’s not going to be very strong at an inch, at a v, okay, so that’s the only thing that.

[01:43:39] Concerns me. Yeah, so I would not do that. Okay, anyway, yeah, we’ll, we’ll see if we can get some pictures that I sent to you, jim. He says: yeah, I remember this. The picture on the box shows the wing held on to the fuselage with rubber bands. Obviously, that method did not work for two-piece wings and I’m considering adding wing struts to the plane too, for a bit of added security. I would recommend: oh so, it didn’t have struts to begin with, doesn’t sound like it? Oh well, no, we’re not. With a one-piece wing, you wouldn’t need them. Okay then, yeah, solidly in the center, you wouldn’t need struts. Wow, if there is.

[01:44:16] Any way possible to answer this email with any thoughts and or ideas via another email? That would be very helpful. Well, we’ll just do it on the podcast. Jim, you can use my first name on your podcast. However, too late now. Should have read a little bit. Yeah, that’s right, I’m good. I called him jim and he said I could call him that. So yeah, we’ll. He’s. He mentions he’s probably not gonna hear this, so we’ll send him some pictures. Okay, well, at least that one’s done. We do have.

[01:44:49] A I mean like we have a list of other stack of listener questions and stuff that we.

[01:44:54] Will get to but we like it’s odd we always have nothing to talk about we end up talking for over.

[01:45:00] An hour oh my god it’s an hour and 45 minutes gentlemen yeah I’m done it’s about our longest.

[01:45:06] One ever. Well, we would have been done like 20 minutes ago, but you came up with this other one. So, okay, I’m sorry, guys and girls, we rambled on a lot this evening. Well, take us out, tommy, if we’re.

[01:45:18] Finished dave you finished I am done finally dave was done an hour and a half ago take us out tommy.

[01:45:24] Well, that’s all we have. Thanks for listening and we’ll see you next time, for, yeah, for this week, I’m Tom, I’m wrong, I never do the clothes and I’m dave. Like to keep you on your toes, good.

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