Ep 153: What the Torc, Man?

[00:00:04] Hello everyone and welcome to the rc plane led podcast I’m Ron that’s Ron mr squeaky microphone.

[00:00:17] Over there I’m Tom that’s weird you don’t own any oil oh that’s right he has electric car.

[00:00:22] No oil no oil mr squeaky microphone stand over there yes and I’m Tom and I’m dave there we go.

[00:00:32] Okay, thank you for making fun of me anytime. Anything else you want to say before we get started? No, hey, everybody, hello, hi, okay, so we are now unfortunately officially under the full remote.

[00:00:52] Id rules yeah I mean said it before as long as you fly at a freya you don’t have to worry about.

[00:01:01] It right. So there’s that. So what does it mean? What does it mean? Not much, yeah, good luck. And I mean well, no, but like, seriously, most of the time I’m flying at a freya, yeah, almost all the time when I fly anything of decent size. So if you fly there, doesn’t matter, if you fly under 250 grams, doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter. So all the umx stuff- yeah, I was gonna say which by the

[00:01:32] Way 250 grams is what about a half a pound roughly maybe just to take over I don’t think I don’t I.

[00:01:39] Don’t know, but anyway it’s very light. Is it 2.2 Pounds per kilogram? Yes, so a quarter kilogram, so just over two, or just over a half pound, then? Yeah right, yep, it’s what you said, isn’t it exactly? Well, there we go. It’s been verified by my math brain.

[00:01:57] Your math brain. Yes, I said math, not math. So if you fly at a freya site, fine, under 250 grams, fine indoors. Fine indoors, fine non-freya site, but an ama sanctioned event, you’re fine, you’re covered. So float flies and that type of thing, yeah. So as long as you’re under the ama rules, under the umbrella, there’s a sanctioned event, you don’t have to worry about it either, even if it’s not a freya site. The only time it’s going to get you, obviously, is over 250 grams and somewhere.

[00:02:30] Not a freya which would be my house no east reek at home but you can if you have the SkyID.

[00:02:39] Or other brand Remote ID module is there anybody else doing them yet flight test has one oh do they.

[00:02:48] Okay, I think there’s another one out too that I don’t know who. It was right off hand, but I think there’s three, like three decently main players. Are they all about same price? Probably, yeah, nowhere near the 30 bucks or whatever they promised at the beginning. I love how they say, oh, it’s gonna be 30 bucks. Yeah, we have no clue what actually has to go into it. Right, I’m gonna make a promise for other businesses to hold up. Yes, right, I think the typical government fashion, and you’ll have to check to be sure. But I think the flight test one is about the same price as horizons. I think it’s about 100.

[00:03:21] Bucks and honestly I think it does about the same thing. So, yeah, there you go, I got one. Yeah, just because I want to see how it worked. Eh, I mean, like I’ve flown here with it on the slow ultra stick just to see how it worked, what it does, and it didn’t. I mean it really doesn’t do anything.

[00:03:47] I mean it does what it needs to do, but for what I was wanting to see now, having said that, I didn’t have it plugged into a serial port, so I wasn’t getting the extra data back to my transmitter. I was just getting the plain old dumb signal that was coming out of it. And when I checked on my phone, it does give you information on height, trajectory, speed, all that kind of stuff. Yeah,

[00:04:12] That’s what I was gonna ask if you if you opened it up in the in the fa drone zone app or whatever it.

[00:04:18] Is now. It wasn’t in that, the only way you can. Well, I think there’s more than one app, but I think the one I used was: don’t remember. Talk amongst yourselves, dave. I won’t be buying one, catch me.

[00:04:36] If you can, yeah, well, and that’s the thing. Movie that like how, how, how are they gonna? I’ve backed up and gone by the time. Yeah, I mean the only. Well, not only. I mean there’s lots of ways probably to get in trouble with this, but you just got to do something stupid. Well, that. Or somebody complains: yeah, right, like you’re, you’re flying at the church, let’s say, like Reggie likes to do, and I like to go and fly there for them sometimes, I suppose somebody there complains about the airplanes and the.

[00:05:06] The electric airplanes that are buzzing around the sky around no houses. There’s like no houses where we fly there. Maybe some, maybe a cop would come and check it out. I highly doubt it. They’re not going to know anyway. Yeah, yet right, I mean yeah, and here’s the thing. Like obviously I can’t speak for everybody, but a cop shows up. Well, I mean when, when I was flying with Reggie, last time at the church, some.

[00:05:36] People showed up, watched and asked questions- hey, that’s really cool, and then they left and then, like shortly thereafter, a cop comes in and just kind of looking around and he leaves. It’s like I, I, if you’re not doing something really dumb, you’re not trying to break into school, you’re fine, yeah, I. I just find it hard to believe that organizations are going to have the bandwidth to crack down on us because we’re not flying with SkyID or Remote ID, and then jam up this justice system.

[00:06:09] At that. Yeah, because I’m taking that to court. Yeah, so here’s my take on it and, by the way I did look it up, it’s called drone scanner. Is the app that I use. All right, that’s one of a few you can use to see what is flying around you. Okay, that will not tell me what’s flying two miles away. That will tell me what I can see is flying, basically line of sight. So I still contend that we were unfortunately lumped in with another part of the hobby: drones. That I’ll say it. I mean that fly out of line of sight where, yes,

[00:06:49] You can get into more trouble than us out in the country or the flying site or the church where they have permission, yeah, doing what we do, which is just flying, I mean, there’s an obvious, you can see.

[00:07:02] Yeah, there’s an obvious difference between a model airplane and a drone with a camera on it. I mean, a drone can hover and peek in somebody’s window or whatever it calls all kinds of trouble or whatever, but airplanes don’t operate that way and I feel like if, as long as you’re not doing something really, really, really, really dumb with your airplane, I find it hard to believe that anybody’s going to complain. Number one: I mean I’m sure there’s some out there that will complain. There’s always somebody right. But number two: I just don’t. I just can’t see how public law enforcement or private even for

[00:07:45] That matter security firms or whatever how they’re going to have the bandwidth to deal with this and if.

[00:07:50] You’re nice they’re just going to ask you to leave yeah probably if you’re nice there’s always one.

[00:07:56] Right well sometimes don’t get in their face goes a long way yeah oh exactly I mean anyway yeah be.

[00:08:05] Respectful be a good steward of the hobby we’ll see yeah we’ll see how this how this sort of plays out.

[00:08:11] Over the next couple years. Yeah right, I mean, I think so. I mean this is different than what was originally proposed. There is no flight logging right, which might come later, who knows. There is no requirement to have a cell connection that automatically updates your flights in real time to see who’s flying where and what. It’s watered down quite a bit from what we were scared of. Yes, when it was first proposed. True end of the hobby. No, no, I mean, it’s not nearly that big of a deal.

[00:08:44] It is to those that would be affected by it, as in the ones that should be affected by it: drones, those that fly over people, those that fly in areas they’re not supposed to, those that are nosy and want to go see what’s happening a block away because they heard sirens. That’s the kind of stuff. Yes, this is going to be there to stop, or that it probably won’t want to get a really cool picture of this.

[00:09:14] Airplane that’s taken off and yeah flies over airport property and yeah I mean the list goes on.

[00:09:19] And on the things that we don’t do with model airplanes, exactly anyway, but anyway. So your experience with the SkyID is meh, it’s. Yeah, I mean it does what it legally has to do and I have not experimented with anything beyond that yet. Do I plan on it? Sure you should, but is it going to be something I do soon? Is it a priority? Probably not. Yeah, I did see that there is an update for dx and ix series.

[00:09:50] Radios through horizon or through spectrum, I guess. Technically I have not done that yet on mine, so I don’t know what all extra goodies they give us that opens up in the telemetry section for it to talk to this module when it’s plugged into the serial port. Yeah, because it has to be plugged into the serial port in order to go both ways.

[00:10:12] Gosh in order to transfer data in a two-way lane of traffic. Thank you, get it back to. It’s still funny where we can see it on our radio all of a sudden. This is a lawyer. Speak over here. Yeah, hey, speaking of.

[00:10:28] Seeing. Are you done with the wrong idea? I’m sorry, I am finished with talking about speaking of seeing things on your transmitter. The other night I took a quick video of the beast- I think it was for trevor, to show him, like the servos or whatever. Oh yeah, two while it was sitting on the floor. Two holds.

[00:10:48] So I’m concerned, and it was not power related. It was not power related because I was watching the voltage on the transmitter while I was doing the whatever I was doing for the video, and I noticed that I, I could see it like I, I saw something weird happen, like everything stopped, like for a microsecond and then started moving again. And it did it when I was flipping between high and low rates while I was moving surfaces. So really, yeah, so I’m, I’m, I don’t. It used receiver right, so it could be the receiver.

[00:11:26] Receiver. So I think what I’m going to do is I’m going to take the power safe receiver out of the s box, the 50 cc s box that I have put it in there, experiment with that and see if I can, if I can get it. But before I do that I’m gonna see if I can, if I can duplicate it. So were you able to replicate it? I shut everything off and like, when I saw that on the transmitter I was like oh dear, and then I had to go do something else. I didn’t have time to replicate it, but I’m going to try to replicate it, but I think I’m probably in the interim until I can figure out why I did that.

[00:11:58] I’m going to put that power safe receiver in it and okay so I know that’ll make you feel better.

[00:12:03] Two things. First off, if you don’t want to tear that one out of there just to test that, I have an extra one sitting right here that I have no use for yet. Copy, because I’m not finished with the glider. You will be soon, though I will not be soon. Define soon, I mean like this year. Oh, maybe in time for your light toe. I’m hoping so. But secondly, did you happen to turn the airplane off and back on at any time, because I’ve done that before- to where I have gotten- I don’t want to say scared, but

[00:12:34] Concerned about a hold and then I realized, oh, I turned the airplane off, did a couple things, turned it back on and I just left the transmitter on. So there’s your hold. I may have once, but not twice.

[00:12:47] There were two holds do you’re not running switches on there right yeah no switches so it’s.

[00:12:53] Possible that when you were plugging one in you plugged it in oh maybe unplugged it again.

[00:12:59] Maybe, but I, like I said, I did see something weird while everything was on. While everything was on and running, when I was switching between high and low rates, while I was moving the surfaces, I did see it.

[00:13:11] Pause like for a microsecond and then take off again. So I need to pay closer attention, fire everything back up and watch. But yeah, until I, until I’m comfortable with why that happened, I’m reluctant to well and fly it in its current state. Funny thing too, you never took the- I know- and I thought I had it sitting out here- the load meter, the watt meter or the amp meter or whatever that is.

[00:13:42] Okay so it’s saying over there I got it out and then give it to you so anyway yeah you were talking.

[00:13:47] About seeing things on the transmitter and one nice thing about the telemetry receivers is you can.

[00:13:52] See that sort of information as well. So yeah, so I’m glad I saw that I would not yet be concerned until you figure out if you possibly turned it off. Well, I, I may have. Like I said once, I may have.

[00:14:05] Unplugged it once and plugged it back in but I’m pretty sure I did not how many frame losses and.

[00:14:13] Stuff did you have none zero. So that tells me it’s probably more power related, because usually you’ll see frame losses. You’ll see dropped packets, okay, before you get holds when that was something else.

[00:14:25] I thought was weird because it was zero frame losses and two old those were the only numbers.

[00:14:30] Zero power issue? Yep, that’s when you unplugged it. I’m okay, 90 sure of that. Okay, because a hold is nothing, but I think 45 consecutive frame losses. Okay. Well, I’ll try to replicate it, okay. So anyway, first thing is unplug, unplug it back and see if you get an extra one. I will, and going be like I don’t know, I’d have to see what you’re talking about when you’re switching between your rates.

[00:14:56] It shouldn’t do that but no I agree it will depending on what you’re doing it’s going to be.

[00:15:04] Jumpy. Well, this wasn’t jumpy. Everything stopped. Did it center or stay where? No, they stayed where they were and then they picked up again. I mean, like, like, just a like I said a millisecond, is that a fail safe receiver? I’m sure it probably has fail safe and I’ve not programmed fail safe, except for wherever everything. Was that when I, when I found you got it, what I mean? Yeah, I mean it with everything centered. It should that should be the fail safe center. Yes, that’s the default. Yeah, like

[00:15:35] When you bind it and then there’s a seems like some of the like. They’re different ways, but you can program the fail safe where you want them to be right during. On some of them you can get into forward.

[00:15:45] Programming and doing it that way. I think I don’t think this receiver is new enough for that. Okay, I don’t know. I mean, I don’t remember which one you said it was. At any rate, I’ll try to replicate it before I fly it. Better to do it before than during. Yeah, right, but yeah, like I said, I bet your holds were.

[00:16:04] Okay power related if you did but anyway did you watch the video I did aren’t those things awesome.

[00:16:09] They’re what things the servos the servos are quick yeah they’re awesome except for that savix I know.

[00:16:17] That’s the only noisy. That’s pretty noisy. I should have just went ahead and bit the bullet and spent another 90 bucks and bought another, not too late. No, it’s not saying because, well, and I have one on the, I have one on the shelf. I should just swap it. But it’s the sad box. It’s supposed to be good servos.

[00:16:33] Right. I mean, it’s a good servo, it’s just, it’s just annoying and very annoying. But when it’s running, you’re not going to hear it, that’s true. When it’s in the air, 100 feet away, you’re not going to hear it, that’s true. So does it matter? Probably not. No, save yourself 90 bucks. See what we did there. Thanks, that was easy, it’s no? I mean, like it’ll be good to see that one fly. I don’t think it’s.

[00:16:55] Going to be until? Yeah, well, I leave next week. Yeah, you’re going to be gone for like another month, yeah, so this is a school. I’m going to be down in florida, so, hopefully, poor thing. Yeah, I know, spring break down in the anywhere near pensacola, for no fort walton beach area, which is actually not real far from pensacola. So, yes, I’ll be in the pensacola area. I saw the blue angels had posted.

[00:17:20] Their training sessions and my sister and her husband are going down. They’re taking the rv down to florida for a few days and they will be there, yeah, during that time, so they’ll be able to go.

[00:17:30] I guess admission is free to the museum. The naval museum is free. It is on the base, so you gotta follow their rules to get on, but that’s not a big deal. So, speaking of the base, at not tyndall the.

[00:17:43] Other one, not herbie. The other one, scott- there’s about 20 different ones. Yeah, there’s a bunch of them at any rate- rhymes with eglan, so eglan, so at eglan. No, not eglan, eggland, eglan, eglan, airbase, air force base e-g-l-I-n, oh, glen, not e-g-g-l-a-n-d. No, there’s a model club that the air force lets them use, an old, abandoned runway, really, huh. So I’ve already.

[00:18:17] Reached out to the club and I may go visit. Maybe try to take a small airplane with me on the on the airplane ride down there, like maybe a umx conchendo, maybe from my transmitter and some batteries- nice, so I might try to do some flying while I’m down there. So if any of our listeners are from that area, please reach out to me via our various ways to get a hold of us, and I’d love to. Yeah, however, I’d love to meet up with anybody that’s down there. That’d be cool, yeah, interesting, yeah and fun.

[00:18:50] Fact, you’re familiar with the jimmy do little raids, right, I know davis, but for those that aren’t, let’s, let’s. So jimmy do little and a squadron of b-25s took off of an aircraft carrier- uss hornet yep- and bombed mainland japan. It was really more of a no real damage, right, it was really more of a do little intellectual type win, but anyway, the took a lot of training for these guys to be able to take off an aircraft carrier with these bombers, right, and they did all of that training.

[00:19:26] At the runway that this club uses at eglin. So that’s cool. Yes, so it’s really short. It’s what’s actually a really long runway. If you look at it on google maps, I think it’s probably. It’s probably over 4 000 feet, so, but the actual runway that the club uses is improved and it’s several hundred feet, so very neat. Yeah, yeah, so I’m kind of excited about that. That’ll be neat, but, yeah, I leave next week, so if any of our listeners are down that way and want to meet up for lunch or something, that’d be.

[00:19:58] Awesome so you mentioned a airplane that you want to take with you yeah that you didn’t have last time.

[00:20:05] We spoke oh yeah I’ve got a new airplane dave really yeah I bet it’s cassindo it is so.

[00:20:14] Let’s see what’s the airplane we were at. It’s a very good airplane. It’s- it’s- got a taste for blood. Well, mine does, well, yours does. What was I? Oh, laura and I were in st louis for a yellow ribbon event. If you’re not familiar, yellow ribbon is for, like, military members that have deployed and then come back home. It’s a reintegration thing. That’s mandatory fun for all military members that have deployed, right? So, laura and I- laura and I- were down there a couple weekends ago and went by one of my favorite hobby shops down there, schaefer’s in st louis, and yeah, they had two of these things.

[00:20:50] On the shelf and you only bought one, and I only bought one because I only need one to inflict carnage, hopefully so. Is that your reason for buying it? Yes, absolutely 100 percent. So, joe and all joe and all that is going to be my demolition derby plane man, I wonder. Maybe I need.

[00:21:09] To find a different one now why I’m gonna paint mine are you really oh good I’m not gonna put some.

[00:21:15] Sort of an offsetting color on it yeah something bright orange or green or something because.

[00:21:21] It’s already got green on it so you don’t want just like a plain gray with sky blue and some.

[00:21:25] White maybe some maybe I’ll paint it silver I’ll get with that but anyway that russian pale blue.

[00:21:34] Is oh it’s the hardest thing for me to see nope I’m just gonna put some fluorescent on it somewhere.

[00:21:40] And yeah anyway yeah a new airplane to the hangar good for you so you are plus this year no you’re not.

[00:21:47] You’ve gotten rid of some already, haven’t you? I don’t even remember. Yeah, I did. Back in january, I took some up to brian’s, I think, and unloaded. That’s right. So, yeah, I think I’m. I think I’m still negative, but that really wasn’t my focus for this year, because I know at the end of this year I’m going to be negative for sure, because I have things I want to buy that are, yeah, gonna require.

[00:22:14] That’s my thought too, but things happen and I end up always getting more anyway. Well, no, that’ll be good it’ll. You’ll be missed again, but that’s okay, you’ll be back for dayton and, more important, you guys will do fine without me. Oh, I know we will. You did last year. Yeah, I mean, it’s not the same.

[00:22:31] Yeah true but anyway and I’ll miss you guys too some hopefully I’ll get to some of us hopefully.

[00:22:39] I’ll get to fly more than you guys do while I’m gone I think that will be a low bar unfortunately you.

[00:22:46] Have a lot of projects and the weather here has been. It’s the weather. It’s been a freaking hurricane, like for the last month. We complain about it every year about this same time, but it’s always feels like it goes on and on forever. Yeah, doesn’t it? I mean like no, I agree, it’s ridiculous, I agree.

[00:23:03] I did, however, get to fly. You did two nights. Did you log it? I did, and I’m still way behind, way behind, but anyway, I’m like half of where I should be, but I blame the wind, I really do, but anyway. So I ended up flying the first night. I got five flights in on this little ultra stick. Nice thing about having the batteries that charge really fast is you can do that- yeah, because I only have four batteries, but anyway. So I had six chart well, four, charged two and then went back out to fly the two.

[00:23:40] That I had charged, got one pack in, was towards the end of the. Well, actually it was the end of the pack because it was when I was coming in to land for the last time I was doing touch and goes, like I love doing touch and go. It’s good practice, it is. Sometimes it’s nice just to burn like a battery of nothing, but take off land, take off land. So anyway, battery was dying as I was coming in to land the last time. I mean, like I swear I wish I had it on video and I even checked my cameras to see if I had like.

[00:24:10] The pointing the right way to where we could see it. Couldn’t I greased it, I mean like it was. It was a nice landing and it touched down, rolled out for probably 10 feet, then all of a sudden just went block or plopped down on one side. It’s like what? That’s weird. So I walked out to it. It was 20 feet away from me and one of the landing gear just broke. Carbon fiber broke right now they’re notorious for that. I don’t understand it. Like I could understand if I hit it hard, I could understand if I did something.

[00:24:45] That made me think: oh, I gotta check on that. The only thing I can figure that is the one that ended up in a tree and fell out. Remember when I, yes, broke it several months ago. Whatever it was, I don’t know if maybe I cracked it then, but there is no reason that it broke on that landing on that landing. But luckily horizon had it in stock, so I went in that night, ordered it the next night. It was.

[00:25:14] Delivered it was very fast wow for a change yeah I know right even though it only has to travel what.

[00:25:20] 60 Miles, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. So I got it. The next day came home from work. I mean, literally it was a minute to change it out, because when you get the new gear the wheels are already installed on everything. Oh really it just you pop the old one out, which was two inches long as opposed to 10 inches or whatever it’s supposed to be, pulled that one out, put the new one in, went outside and flew it again, got four more flights in on it and it broke again. No, but I do have a spare just in case. There you go. Yep, because it comes with two that can go on both sides, or either side, I should say.

[00:25:53] Yes it goes both ways it does go both ways gosh I can’t help it’s too easy I know.

[00:26:04] So I got a question as far as counting flights, I tried to fly about a month ago with my umx timber. Excuse me, we ended up having a bad battery and I did not make a full flight with it or a full loop around the field with it. It got launched, it made a left turn and then it landed on its own because the battery was gone. Is that a flight? I would not count that it’s.

[00:26:31] No repairs? See, I, but I did not hold on hold on. You started with what you thought was a freshly charged battery. He flew it until the battery was dead, until it was depleted and landed. That’s a flight? Yeah, but that was 18 seconds: full battery to dead battery. That’s it went from here to there.

[00:26:52] I mean, personally I would not make a big you. I reason I count, I want to count. It is that was my one and only flight in february. Okay, I guess for that then yeah, you did fly. I mean I would count it.

[00:27:06] Regardless really yeah you flew you started with a fully charged battery and you landed with a dead.

[00:27:13] Battery, it doesn’t matter how long it took, so to each their own. Yeah, I mean, like I go by the general rule that if it’s not an edf, a flight has to be at least five minutes to count for me. Oh then my count.

[00:27:28] My flight must be zero because I’d never fly five minutes really yeah that e-flight viper that I.

[00:27:36] You gave to dave that dave gave me. What did I just say if it’s not an edf? Oh yeah, eds, I understand there are two. Three minutes is what you can get on a battery patch pushing it, I understand. So that’s different, like completely. I’m talking non-edf, like okay, so ultra stick, that kind of stuff a battery might let, depending on how I fly, seven or eight minutes could be 10 or 11 if I’m just putting around.

[00:27:58] Maybe it can be or one or the other what do you mean maybe it could be okay maybe it could be like.

[00:28:09] Okay, a from a fully charged battery to a dead battery, or a flight of more than five, more than three or five minutes. Because well, yeah, let’s say we get really good with gliders and we’re really good at finding thermals and we take off with a fully charged battery and we hit all the thermals and we get bored of flying an hour and a half later and we land and there’s still 80 of the battery left. You see where I’m going with that. That’s at least five minutes, right, exactly. So it could be like you’d still kind of landing with a full battery. So, oh, you can’t count that.

[00:28:41] Because the battery well it was over well yeah I mean like what I’m saying and it’s just.

[00:28:46] Gonna have to be what you decide to count because it’s not yeah and I am not going to unless it’s you.

[00:28:52] I am not going to make fun of anyone for flights that they count or don’t count because it’s me unless.

[00:29:00] It’s you. Yeah, I’ll always make fun of you. I don’t know how to take that. So yay or nay on that one, if you want to. Yeah, I say yay. Yeah, because that’s my only february flight, I think normally I would not.

[00:29:09] Even bother with it, but being the only february flight, normally that only fly to february or not, you count it, I think, but that’s just me. I attempted and that’s what I would do, like if it was to deviate.

[00:29:21] You did and what if you crashed instead of having a dead battery well that’s counted as a half.

[00:29:27] Flight that’s a half flight we already talked about that did we yeah crashes are half flights.

[00:29:31] Because you’re a takeoff no landing no landing see I would count as a full flight if you’re over five.

[00:29:37] Minutes though well yeah if you’re if you’re over the threshold five minutes or I still count.

[00:29:45] It as a half fully just yeah that’s just me I don’t know I think it’s a judgment thing yeah it’s and.

[00:29:50] It’s and it’s your spreadsheet, it’s. You do you boo? And yeah, who are we to tell you what is and is not a flight? But exactly in my book, regardless of how many you’ve had for february, that’s like you count.

[00:30:02] It? I think so, and that’s the thing too, like it’s it’s. This is for me to know how I’m flying. It’s not for me to say I flew more than you or I flew less than you. Right, unless it’s Reggie, I’m going to stay ahead of him only because he’s trying to catch up to me, which actually he might be. He might he’s- I think he probably is. But other than that, yeah, it doesn’t matter if you get one or a hundred flights.

[00:30:23] Yep you’re doing good how about a compromise and call it three quarters of a flight I’m not getting.

[00:30:28] The fraction well you could just call it a flight and then with an asterisk it was a.

[00:30:32] Whatever. Yeah, there you go. What I’m saying I do, but yes, I will have to say, with no power. That thing with the floats on it does not glide very well. Oh, yeah, and what was it? It’s the umx timber. Oh, and for life I can’t remember which one I’ve got, because there’s like 20 of them. I know there’s.

[00:30:53] 85 Different timbers out there but yeah with the float with floats on it with no power yeah the.

[00:30:59] Sync rate is incredible yeah what are you laughing at just funny video I watched on youtube about.

[00:31:07] Timbers, all the timbers. So if you have floats on you, taking it to joan, all yeah, that was all better. Yeah, ah, I just want to say joan, all again. Sorry, I still want to figure out how to put floats on.

[00:31:20] The beast you’re not going to have time that would be awesome no time you’re right yeah we’re going to.

[00:31:29] Have, like when we get back, almost no time one weekend, I think, when we get back from dayton, aren’t we? Before we leave? Yeah, oh, it’s so awesome. Did we mention joan all’s coming? Okay, I’m not doing that again, so here we go. Did you see hanger nine’s new covering iron? I did. I mean, well, I did because

[00:31:48] You posted it on our page and I saw it that way I did I had no idea it was coming though I didn’t.

[00:31:53] Either but I was very happy to see it I just saw they had posted that on their social media on.

[00:31:58] Facebook I like it’s got to be a good sign right I would hope so I would think that they’re.

[00:32:05] Only one producing a hobby iron at this point even okay so even if it is a rebadged yeah it’s a rebrand.

[00:32:13] It is a covering iron with a hobby brand on it, sold and supported, yeah, exactly by an actual hobby company. I gotta believe that’s a good sign. And it even comes with one sock. Hey, right up my alley.

[00:32:36] Because dave has one leg. You get it Ron. Oh, so that only means he has one foot huh and one sock. Yeah, well, I, I’m really happy, I’m, I was happy to see that they did that, yeah.

[00:32:48] Yeah it’s about the same price as the old cover it iron I was gonna say I think that’s exactly what.

[00:32:53] I paid for the old cover right iron yep which by the way the cover right iron always came with a.

[00:32:57] Sock also then at least mine did I’ll have to look mine’s got a price tag on it still oh mine does too.

[00:33:03] I think, because I have a price tag, but that doesn’t mean that’s what I paid for it. Oh well, that’s true if it came from brian. Yeah, because I mean it wasn’t. Yeah, it wasn’t new, or no, it was new, wasn’t it? Yeah, mine’s brand new in the box? Yeah, so was mine. Yeah, but I took it out. Oh, I have mine’s. You still have a spare? Yeah, see, I don’t have a spare anymore, which makes me, yeah, you should probably get one. Yeah, so the only thing I was reading through here, the only thing I don’t like, which I guess it’s really not that big of a deal, but it has a automatic shutoff safety feature.

[00:33:39] After three hours oh geez three hours I’m usually bored with covering by then.

[00:33:45] On time or is that not moving time I’m sure that’s just on time because it doesn’t have a.

[00:33:51] Doesn’t have a jiggly in it I wouldn’t think so I mean I could be completely wrong but I wouldn’t.

[00:33:56] Think so because I know my son will turn off yeah but it’s got a jiggly built into it so it if it.

[00:34:04] Senses movement if the jiggly jiggles and then it knows not to shut off right huh what if what if.

[00:34:11] It’s not a jiggly and it’s something to do with the, the temperature knob. Yeah, so if you adjust digital, so it’s you push button. Oh so you don’t push a button, it probably resets, I would think. So, yeah, I’m that. That doesn’t. The auto shut off doesn’t bother. I guess that’s true if it resets, because

[00:34:29] You do change the temperature based on I do yeah quite a bit whether or not you’re.

[00:34:32] Always setting it whether I’m tacking or shrinking or stretching down up and down exactly what dave said.

[00:34:42] But yeah, so I was glad to see that come out. Hopefully that’s something they will have in stock for a long time and hopefully that means we will be seeing more of the sws series of e-flight.

[00:34:55] Airplanes. That’s what I’m like. When I saw the iron, when, when you put that on our on the RC Plane Lab page group- whatever it is- facebook page, that was like one of the first thoughts I had was.

[00:35:10] Like oh they’re investing in a covering oh that means more wood airplanes which everything hangar.

[00:35:15] Nine is wood yeah so I’m really hopeful that means more cool yeah wooden electric because.

[00:35:24] Also flies better and it’s just cooler, ah, so anyway, that’s that. I thought that was kind of neat, very exciting. We’ll see how it goes. What else is new? You had a couple airplanes you want to talk about.

[00:35:37] Yeah, so announced this week, old school model works. They are producing a new kit called the polaris, which if anybody out there that’s been in the hobby for more than 20 years or so, it was probably. Well, it’s a design that’ll look familiar, scimitar and it’s old school. Yeah, it’s old school, right. So cool looking airplane, kind of a jet, looking wing, flying wing, flying wing, with a fuselage.

[00:36:05] Yeah I think I’ve seen them called javelins before and yeah what’d you call it the other.

[00:36:12] You asked me to remember, sorry 20 minutes ago, but anyway, scimitar, yeah. So yeah, I’m kind of excited about that. The kit’s about, I think, 199, I think, which is not bad for an all balsa kit with all the hardware. Is it 40 size? I didn’t look it’s a 40 size, but they say on the website that they would not be afraid to put a 61, a piped 61. I’m gonna say it could probably handle that with no problem, so that would be very fast. What’s it called? It’s called the polaris p-o-l-a-r-I-s, which is going to be confusing.

[00:36:45] With the float plane polaris. But yeah, that’s what I thought of at first. Yeah, but no, it’s a cool airplane. I might- I’m not committing, but I might actually order one of these things. Very interesting, that’s different. Yeah, yeah, I see it. Yeah, it looks kind of like a jet. It’s got the roundish tail cone thing that you could probably look great, and gray and silver, oh god.

[00:37:11] I don’t know it doesn’t do much for me but that’s kind of neat yeah it’s different I like it because.

[00:37:16] It, it’ll go both ways: electric and nitro. It’s gonna be one of those episodes, guys, why? And of course, if I buy one, it’ll be nitro and probably maybe a good home for my clarence, lee 61.. The one that

[00:37:31] You’re not going to ever fly well it’d be a shame not to because they run so good yeah that’d be a.

[00:37:38] Nice one for a high revving two stroke mm-hmm like a clarence lee 61. Oh you should use that clarence lee.

[00:37:44] 61.. Hey, what would be a great idea. If I use that clarence, lee 61.. You just took it too far, I did I. I mean that was sorry. What do you got over there? You’ve got something new in your hands.

[00:37:56] Oh, not in my hands. There was a couple of my saw motion rc had, there was one. Oh, I’m trying to put this in your hand. No, you can talk about that one. I don’t want to talk about these. These things are ugly. It’s well, we can talk about that one first, we agree? Yeah, I kinda like I can, I wouldn’t all right.

[00:38:14] So what we’re talking about is this new, this new jet from fms, relatively new- the integral or integral, I’m not sure which it is. To be honest, I always assumed it was integral because that’s how it’s spelled, right, but I’ve always, like at the joe and all, when I saw these, that I heard them call them integral. Anyway, yeah, ugly, because these things so like. I think comp ARF does one of these, or maybe it’s elite aerosports- there’s a company out there that makes

[00:38:49] A turbine, a big version of this, and in their ads they had like a- it’s a big, bulbous, looks cartoonish, and they did. They had like eyes on it and from that point on, anytime I saw one, that’s what I saw, this big ugly cartoon. And but, to be honest, they to be fair, to be fair, they do fly, really, really.

[00:39:11] Nice they are. They’re kind of cool, like I mean it’s different, they’re different and I like different and I definitely like I mean it looks like a shark. I was just gonna say that. Oh, sorry.

[00:39:24] Say it no it looks like a shark oh it does it almost to me it looks like a 1950s sci-fi.

[00:39:29] Spaceship I could see that see I wasn’t around in the 50s for that so you guys will have to fill me.

[00:39:35] On what you thought about. It almost looks like- yeah, it’s anyway. You should almost be able to see the wires holding it up. Yeah, exactly, and it makes a jetson’s noise. Yeah, yeah, but they do fly nice. And this thing, I’m trying to look for the price. I can’t find it. Ron, you printed out like all of the

[00:39:59] Oh they did a terrible job single printing page out well yeah you just hit control but wasn’t it like.

[00:40:05] Three something. It was the price. Is it awful there? 3.99, Maybe 80 millimeter? Yeah, I’m trying, sorry, talk amongst yourselves, so it’s free. Apparently they didn’t put a price on it.

[00:40:24] But at any rate looks like it comes in two colors thank you looks like it comes in two colors.

[00:40:30] Like a red and a green looks like. Yeah, I don’t think you got the price on this. We are so prepared, show prep. I tell you, yeah, at any rate, it’s fms and I think you can get them. On what can you get them? From motion rc, probably, probably. Fms is pretty commonly available, yeah.

[00:40:53] Ms stuff seems to be pretty decent 3.99.99 3.99 Okay it reminds me of a plane from disney planes.

[00:41:03] Yeah, and like, like when I saw the one that had the eyes kind of like, kind of like what you did for the teleaster, but more goofy, goofier, goofier- yeah, that’s all I see when I look at them, but they do fly nice. So if that’s your thing, brand new from fms: retracts: the whole deal for 400.

[00:41:29] Simoleons, simoleons, simoleons. Is that a 6s? 5000 Probably, I would imagine. I don’t know, I’d assume. So yeah, it’s. That seems to be the standard, seems to. Yeah, that’s 80 millimeters. So yeah, yep, there it is.

[00:41:41] Right I just saw it oh there’s the price 399.99 Oh yeah see oh it’s not on here my gosh I thought I saw.

[00:41:51] It, but I, yeah, 6s 5000. So yeah, if you’ve already got papers on the floor here, if you’ve already got a couple of those batteries, that jet might be worth a look. And, like dave said, fms they do.

[00:42:02] Pretty decent job, I think. Yeah, you want to get made fun of for what it looks like? Then have at it. I promise I won’t say anything if you buy one. Run. I don’t think I’ll buy one. Okay, good, 400 bucks is a lot of money for that. Indeed, to me it is. It’s a good looking airplane for funsies it certainly is.

[00:42:17] Different, like so, if you’re looking for something to kind of be different, be different. You’re into sport, jets and want to knock, so you’re, yeah, around, it’s nice. Yeah, yep, what is happening? My voice? I don’t know. I bet it doesn’t fly as good as that e-flight 70 millimeter viper that you guys gave me. That thing flies awesome. Let’s say stop. I don’t want to know that it really does. Oh yeah, I know it.

[00:42:38] Flies great I’m gonna regret passing it along well you’re gonna fly it eventually maybe we’re if we’ve.

[00:42:44] All owned it yeah you all should fly it at least once it does fly good though anyway well once again room.

[00:42:51] That’s why I get it. It had to leave, so I’m glad it made it somebody that actually flew it. I got it. They fixed it. Tommy flew it. That worked out perfect, but anyway, yeah, I’ve noticed on.

[00:43:05] On facebook folks are starting to get their rjg decathlons or rgj yeah were you making fun of.

[00:43:13] Me no oh no I had to write rjg it’s right here rjg wait yeah what’d you say rjg is what I said.

[00:43:21] You said rgj. That sounds stupid. Why would I say rjg? But anyway, I the more I see it, the more and the more I see people like handling it and stuff. It’s. It’s a good size, but the silver windows.

[00:43:35] Still bother me well you can fix that yeah you can order it no good no I mean good because.

[00:43:40] No, I’m saving goals. I mean, I did buy the conchendo but I kind of needed a needed air quotes. He needed a missile, I needed a missile. Yeah, he did something good. Call missile for a specific reason, joe knoll. But I’m not buying between now and then and until unless I

[00:44:01] Make what I need to make at dayton buy my stuff by the way do you have a specific number in mind.

[00:44:07] That you need to have okay I do okay yep I know about what it’s going to take to build what I.

[00:44:15] Want to buy next and what do you want to buy now have you settled yet because I know you I know you.

[00:44:22] Waffle. I do waffle you. We’ve talked about that and I’m not the only one. No, I get it. That was slightly. I mean, that was not, it was more than slightly. It was very comforting to know that I’m not the only one out there that just wants everything. We all have the attention span with toddler. Yeah, true, that’s true, so true, and the mental capacity feels like it a lot. But yes, I’ve, I’ve decided that I’m probably regret it, but I’m gonna hold off on the bronco because I know boobin.

[00:44:59] Because the way if, if I get a bronco, I want to go electric with that just because it’s so pricey- exactly, I get it, and for what I would spend on a bronco I could conceivably put a sport jet.

[00:45:14] Together and that’s oh and that’s what I’m going to do turbine yes so you guys are going to force me.

[00:45:21] To do a jet, aren’t you? Yes, okay, I fully support you. So extreme flight they are going. They’re working on a jet right now. It’s there. It’ll be their first entry into the jet market and it’ll be a sport jet. It won’t be like a scale jet. It’ll probably look something like a viper.

[00:45:40] They’re okay, at least from the pictures- the some of the preliminary pictures I’ve seen, but I’m anxiously awaiting more details on that. But I think hopefully they’ll have more details of joe knoll. Yeah, that’s kind of what I’m hoping to talk to those guys there when we get there.

[00:45:58] At joe knoll I’m gonna start keeping a tally how many times you guys saying joe knoll.

[00:46:04] It’s a drinking game and we say you drink a pepsi but the going the kind of the going rate like so.

[00:46:12] I’ve done quite a bit of interest: internet like research looking thing. Yeah, you could probably put a, a sport type jet in the about the 85 ish range, 86 now from king tech for about five grand, maybe a little bit more, maybe a little bit less, and I would have considerably more than that in a bronco to do it the way I would want to do it, considerably more. Yeah, with the batteries, the motors, the avian.

[00:46:42] Speed control. You’re right, all the smart stuff, okay, plus the lights. I would have to have the lights, what I mean. So for me, and I think I would- I think a jet would probably challenge me as a pilot more than the bronco. So I think that’s a great idea. So that’s that’s my goal and I’ve kind of been solid on that for several weeks now. I’ve I’ve been really jazzed about it and haven’t

[00:47:16] Really thought about anything else. So I feel like that’s probably the route you should go, really what I want until next week. He’s got a point. I know. I mean I know I and I don’t. I’m not going to argue because you’re absolutely right, it could change next week, but, like I said, for the past few weeks, that is really, and what did it for me was working with yours really. Yeah, tinkering when we’re out there trying to like that was like that’s what did that turned me off on mine so much. I’m gonna be honest: it was. Yeah, it was something new and different and

[00:47:53] Sometimes I was trying to. That’s what makes me tick, because we’ve talked about it before. I think I get more out of the tinkering and building than I do at the actual flying. Yeah, and that part of it, just like that, was like: okay, this is, this is cool, I like this. I’m I’m glad to hear that, but, like I said, for

[00:48:12] Me the issues that they’re just such a negative feeling for me on it, like I’m expecting it. Start expecting it to work, have a problem with clunk, oh okay, so what’s this we got to figure? I don’t enjoy that like I want it to work, I get it. I want it to work how it’s supposed to work.

[00:48:32] And it will like I know, like you’ll. Then we work through those issues and then for me, kind of the reward at the end is this cool, awesome running jet. Yeah, the problem solving is the deal. Yeah, I think that’s what sort of makes, makes it that much more enjoyable for me. Is the- it’s like you said, screwdriver in the hole. Yeah, the problem solving.

[00:48:57] You started. You got wrong with that one that just caught me off guard. No, I think I think the problem- like what, what got me so off on that- is the smell of the diesel, like that just gets into you and like it takes so long to get it off your hands, no matter how much you wash your hands. It’s no worse than gasoline, though I don’t like that either. That’s why I think I’m such an electric guy, because there is no

[00:49:25] Odor yes they burn it well like a burn there’s nothing worse than a burnt speed controller.

[00:49:33] Yeah those magic electrical genies yeah those things smoke forever.

[00:49:39] So I’ve got a story I wasn’t like I haven’t told you guys this yet oh this will be good.

[00:49:48] No, it’s not all that bad. So I was working on the jet like my plan, honestly, was to have it finished, to where tonight, before we did this, we could run it up and actually start it and all that kind of stuff. So I went through because you made fun of me so much for the wiring job that I had. I made one comment over and over. It was one time, multiple times, a lot. You’re just too sensitive, belittling me for hours upon hours, texting me and everything. It was just: hey, your wiring looks like.

[00:50:19] Crap, I mean it was. It gave me anxiety. Hopefully everybody knows you’re full of it. I think anybody that knows me would know that. No, but seriously. So I didn’t like how it was. Like I had always planned on cleaning it up. I just wanted to get stuff done to make it work at first. So when it was time to put the new receiver in with as6000 with all that stuff, I decided now’s the time to pretty up the insides and take care of it. So I bought whatever you call that stuff, the, the mesh, mesh.

[00:50:51] Sleeve yeah to run all your wires through which looks nice really thank you I think it’s.

[00:50:57] Turning out. Good, oh, I’m not gonna say turned out, I’m not finished yet- way better than it did anyway. So I did that. And then I also bought from cheek or chief aircraft the, the four port quick connects where you can do four servos, leads into it and stuff, and so that was enough for aileron.

[00:51:20] Mine went blank: aileron flaps, flaps. Thank you, that’s what this is. Is flaps, aileron flaps, gear, gear up and down and break, break. So I gotta cough lights. Are you gonna put lights in it? I forget, I don’t know. Okay, anyway, like not right away. Eventually I would like to, but that’s more pricey than I want to.

[00:51:41] Spend. I just want to fly it and see how it goes, gotcha. So you got the four, the four lead one that’s it’s like a flat pin connector and does it all at once. Anybody that’s worked on computers or?

[00:51:52] Anything like that. Knows, that’s got the actual connector that goes in, then it’s locking. You have to press a little detent thing to get it out. So anyway, got all that done and hooked up and

[00:52:06] Went to like I. So my first time I figured I didn’t mark which one was gear and which one was break. No big deal, you just plug it in really quick, see if the gear goes up. That’s the gear. So I did that, plugged it in, nothing happened, plugged it into the other one, just testing to see which one it was into the extension, and the gear went fully up, or sorry, down, I guess, because I was working out upside down, upside down. So anyway, the gear came out and it was in the

[00:52:37] Landing position and I was like: perfect, that’s great. So then I hooked everything else up and I’m sitting there fiddling with some stuff and I hear like the gear is jerky just a little bit, and I didn’t quite figure out what it was at first. I just every now and then we hear like a little click, like a little tick, and so thought nothing of it. I thought maybe it’s the, because as I’m I’m working, you’re moving around a little bit. So I figured maybe it’s the AS3X+ gains working and fixing it or they’re doing whatever. Then all of a sudden on the gear, well, I couldn’t.

[00:53:12] Tell where the sound was coming. Oh, I’m sorry, I guess I just heard the airplane making a noise, okay, okay, gotcha, which I didn’t think anything of it. Then, all of a sudden, just puffs and billowing of smoke coming out. I’m like holy, yes, word inserted here- what’s going on? So I quickly unplugged it and I took the wing completely off and I ran out into the garage just because I wasn’t sure if it was going to catch on fire, which it did not catch on fire, I lucked out. However, I did burn up completely.

[00:53:45] One retract. Oh no, so apparently it was plugged into the brake port, oh, which I did not realize as it went up, because it was being told to go up because the brakes were engaged. Yeah, not.

[00:54:00] Knowing that was a thing, rookie mistake. So there’s not. There’s not a clutch or something like that to shut the motor off when it reaches, it’s like an end point. All my stuff uses a, like a micro switch or an amp draw switch. Yeah, and it just pulls too many amps and that’s what shuts it off.

[00:54:20] Yes, but not on the motor. So it’s built into the brake or not break the, the gear controller, the retract controller, like when the retract goes up that it shows you a light or shuts it off. It shows you a light that’s going on. When it gets to the end, then that light goes off or it changes.

[00:54:36] Color I don’t remember which to let that yeah so he was bypassing the controller because.

[00:54:40] He bypassed the controller. All right, that makes sense, because it thought it was the brake. So I had the gear motor plugged into the brake port. How much was that?

[00:54:50] Well, we don’t, so it well, okay. Okay, I’ll let you tell the story. No, you can’t buy just one, oh no. So the full retract set- all three, you have to buy all three- is three hundred dollars. Oh jeez, we just got plenty spare parts now still so anyway, I’m sorry that. Learned that the hard way. Yeah, I’m sorry that’s, that’s terrible, it’s I learned. I know it’s an expensive, expensive lesson, but why don’t they?

[00:55:23] Sell them piecemeal: mains and a nose gear, and they might later, but right now, the only way I could find it is a three-pack. Anyway, doesn’t matter, hold on though. Wait. Did you check it like? Did you try to?

[00:55:34] Operate it after that and it didn’t oh no didn’t move at all I’m sorry that’s okay that’s awful I’m sorry.

[00:55:39] It like I said, I feel, like I feel bad because, well, don’t, it’s okay, like it will get fixed. I know I don’t worry about it, but I did learn. So when I did the other ones, did the other wing, that I marked religiously, marked each one, so I had it all together so I knew what I was plugging in. And then I made myself a map on a piece of paper with the detent tab up: yeah, this first port is this.

[00:56:09] Second port, third port, fourth port, and then on the actual plugs, because when you’re running them through that wire loom you can’t see which one is which right. So I put black with permanent marker on the one. That’s the break. Oh, and then I actually got actually got paint out green, painted green for gear on the ones that were the gear, so that one went perfectly. What’d you use for aileron and flap? So for aileron apple, no, for aileron I, I use green, because I had that out already.

[00:56:46] And then god I should I don’t want it but anyway so I still got those backwards.

[00:56:56] So plug green into red and red. No, no, no, no, no. It’s whatever port it’s on because you have. When you’re setting up your radio, you can look on your controller, on your transmitter, and it will say like left aileron, right aileron right, flap or rf. It tells you what one you’re doing. Plus, when you’re moving them you can see the values change in there. And so where I made a mistake and I knew I wasn’t as worried about this because I knew as soon as you flip it you’re going to see what it is and you can’t go like if it’s plugged in, backwards when

[00:57:28] You plug in your, your flaps or your aileron, it’s just going to move them to different positions. It’s not going to over stress it and break anything right. So I wasn’t as concerned about that, but I forgot, like I just went on length of the wires coming out, and I was. I thought the longer wire coming out was the flap because it’s it’s closer, closer, but I forgot. You have because I’m a dummy. There’s an extension on the aileron which actually makes that one longer, yeah, than the flap. So yeah, so no.

[00:58:03] Damage done with that one? No, not on that one at all, but the one that was very important. I did spend too much time getting the paint out, waiting for it to dry, making sure it was all set up right, and then, yeah, and then the worst of it- like well, I shouldn’t say the worst of it, that was, that was just earlier this week. I ended up taking a half day on monday so I could get some stuff done around the house. Crystal was off earlier than she was supposed to be on monday, and so she came down with me and started working on her airplane. It’s not going to be done by april 1st and

[00:58:36] Let’s just say I was a little distracted by that, too sure, because I’m- I’m trying to figure this out- working on a very expensive jet that I don’t want to mess up. Yep, and then she’s over there working on her 30 little balsa airplane- god love her. So we’re sitting there and all of a sudden I just hear hold on this. What is it? Oh damn it, I did this wrong. I was like what, what are you talking?

[00:59:06] About. So she shows me the part. I think it’s the bottom that’s supposed to be solid. Solid, yeah, I think the bottom supposed to be solidly covered on that. And she covered the top where it’s supposed to be. A hatch was completely glued on. So I went and got her a knife and told her how to cut it off and fix it, which no big deal. Yeah, that’s modeling, but distraction yes. So, yep, it was fun. Well, I’m

[00:59:31] Sorry that happened that’s that’s crappy once again thank goodness they do they have them in stock.

[00:59:38] Or do you have to wait? No, they had them in stock. Oh, did they good? Yeah, we’re good. At least there’s a plus there. Yeah, but that’s my story, that I wasn’t sure. No, I, I well, I planned on telling you. I mean,

[00:59:50] I’m not gonna. Well, the funny part is that you messed it up a second time, but I know didn’t burn anything up, I know. But yeah, not being so careful, not funny that you burned up a retract and then you had to buy a complete set. That blows my mind, but I guess it is what it is. It happens, yeah. So

[01:00:08] You said you got plenty of spare parts getting closer yeah to being completed yep got.

[01:00:13] The tank back together tonight right before we started I don’t know what I was doing wrong on that.

[01:00:17] I it just weren’t seating it. It just, yeah, that stop. Okay, so start from scratch then. Okay, this is so. I put the new clunk in it and my plan yesterday was to get it, like I said, completely buttoned up so that maybe we could run it tonight if we had time. So I went out there.

[01:00:36] I took it out to the garage because it’s diesel and I don’t want that in the house on my carpet anyway. So every time I would put that the stopper back in, I would tighten it up, tighten it up, tighten up, and it would just push out, just squeeze itself out. Yeah, so there was no way I could get it to set, just yep. So what did you have to do in order to keep it in? Well, I did the exact same thing, you.

[01:00:59] Did first. Right, apparently, no, no, I no, I did this exact same thing you were doing and it did the same thing that it was doing. It started creeping out and I tightened up the screw and I could pull the thing the rest of the way out. So what I did was I took this back, the screw all the way out so that it was not screwed into the back plate, and then I separated the three components right, the back plate, the stopper and the cap. Okay, so I could see the stopper from one end all the way to the other. It was like exposed- and then I just simply took that and shoved that into the hole of the tank, such that

[01:01:35] The flange of the stopper made a nice seat up against the plastic of the tank, the throat of the tank, and then I moved the cap over the top of it and screwed it all together. I think what was happening is I we just weren’t getting the stopper all the way in because we couldn’t see the end of the stopper. Okay, I think the stopper was probably not going all the way into the till it seats, so it wasn’t going in far enough to hold. Exactly it was yeah, because, because they depend. So they depend on when you, when you screw the, the center, screw together and it pulls that back plate up against the stopper.

[01:02:09] It’s supposed to mushroom the back of the stopper, on the back side of the hole, and that’s what sort of keeps it in the tank. I just don’t think we had the stopper a lot like a popper of it, exactly okay, yeah, so okay, it’s in now though. So now we can, or you can, I will button it back up and we can.

[01:02:27] Run it next time you have time, sometime, okay. Well, I mean that makes me feel better because, honestly, hooking it back up and putting it in is 20 minutes maybe worth of work. It’s well, it’d be even.

[01:02:41] Easier now because you got the wiring all nice and tied it up and it won’t be in the way yeah it does.

[01:02:46] Look really nice. By the way, thank you. Yeah, I really like. I’m not worried about anything getting ate. Yeah, I am not burnt, I’m. I’m less embarrassed by that. So, yeah, we’re good. Yeah, no.

[01:02:57] I love that stuff. It. It looks really nice in there. Yeah, so cool, good job, thanks. Thanks very much. Oh, did you wait? I’m sorry, did you want to talk about this one? Bring it up. Oh yeah, so new for me: flight. Normally we don’t talk about helicopters on the show, but this one’s kind of cool. It’s a new blade eclipse 360. Unusual in the fact that the fuselage is foam, yeah, but it has metal running.

[01:03:27] Gear, has a fully collective head and that sort of stuff. So it’s a pretty neat little helicopter. The tail rotor is driven directly by a brushless motor instead of being either a belt drive or, if you remember, the blade- or shaft drive. Yeah, so I mean, I’m not a helicopter guy at all.

[01:03:44] But that it’s different right let’s say that would have been one that might have gotten me if it.

[01:03:52] Wasn’t the price. It is, yeah, 450 for a smaller machine. It’s well, it’s not. I mean it’s not really small, I mean it’s a 360. So what the blade 300s were, they were up around that price too, and I think

[01:04:09] This is probably similar size right I got a cross look between airwolf and yeah it’s your.

[01:04:16] Favorite color though yeah it’s gray same color as my truck I think it might be a lot well it might.

[01:04:23] Be about the same color but it hovers so you don’t have to worry about flying away from you and trying.

[01:04:27] To tell what it is but and it has a black canopy it does have a black they did went right on the.

[01:04:33] On the, on the canopy color, thank goodness. And it had, like it has, safe built in. It has, it does, all the smart stuff for a new pilot. Yeah, in the realm of helicopters. Yeah, I thought that was.

[01:04:44] Kind of neat, so something so an interchangeable landing gear, something new and different. Yeah, removable, yeah, you can land it with the skids or the wheels that they can pop off and yeah.

[01:04:56] So, yeah, the only experience I was gonna say the only experience I have with helicopters was way, way, way back when I think it was a blade cx2. They had the counter rotating and then still had the fly bar on top. Yeah, I that wasn’t. That didn’t work too well. I flew one of those in the

[01:05:14] Desert. Yeah, yeah, a lot of time on that one. Yeah, that was before you were in the hobby, way back when, yeah, well, I, yeah, dave- sent me to the desert with his cx2, and was it a cx2 or was it a cx2? Okay, and I flew the, flew the bejesus out of that thing. Blue, canopy, yellow. Well, his was well painted.

[01:05:34] Though it was gray are you colorblind like have we just hit on something do what colors are.

[01:05:44] He knows I’ve been total laboratory retrievers come in multiple colors too I know yeah he’s consistent I.

[01:05:51] Mean that’s that’s one good likes what he likes he does yeah so it’s black dogs and gray airplanes silver.

[01:06:02] So we’ve got a couple more new airplanes. Yeah, lots of new stuff this week, yeah, or this last two weeks, I should say, since the last time we recorded. Well, actually, yeah, and this, the next one, isn’t new, I just found it. No, this one’s no, no, the other one. We’ll save that one. We’ll save that one until last. So, dave, talk about it. What’s the? Is this one you’re talking about? Yeah, did you want to talk about that one? I don’t want to talk about that. I don’t want to talk about it either. But look neat, dave, you want to talk about it. I don’t know much about a 64 millimeter free wing f9f panther, korean ward.

[01:06:35] Navy fighter: new as of november. Yeah, new in november. Okay, I just saw it on face like I don’t know why, just saw it on facebook and I thought it said new and I was like, oh, this is cool. So I started looking into it and stuff. And then you guys asked: well, when did they come out? Because I didn’t see it. And so I looked it up and, sure enough, it was november of last year. This one did get past me. Yeah, dave was not aware and I didn’t know either. New to dave means it’s new to anybody. So there you go.

[01:07:05] 64 Millimeter looks like it’s hand launch. It’s a nice size. Yeah, 64 millimeters- not too small, but it’s small enough that you can’t hand launch it. So our grass field- that’s just too rough on most stuff. This works really, really nice and, of course, 64 millimeter keeps the price down. Yeah, yeah, that was much more easy to transport. A couple hundred bucks, a good size, and they normally fly pretty well. So, yep, so there you go, and that’s all I got to say about that. How much are?

[01:07:37] Good talk, 199, 199, not bad. So free wing stuff always flies good. I’ve had, I’ve owned, three of them, I’ve flown a bunch more than that and always nice flyers, cool. So yeah, this one’s in the dark.

[01:07:52] Blue which would have to get painted to gray no actually it’s that’s the correct color.

[01:07:59] There’s a lot of neat korean war schemes for those, a lot of striping and red and stuff you can play around. This is in yellow, so that’s going to help. He’s such a historian with that kind of like.

[01:08:09] I couldn’t tell you when a plane was, from what arrow, what. I can get close normally. But yeah, yeah, you got schooled earlier because you said it wrong. I mean, he yelled at you. I think he slapped you too, like I. I thought I heard that when I turned around. You might be, I see, you might be right, so okay, well, that’s enough on that one then. Whatever, that’s old news. What’s the other one? Dave, we both printed. I printed the wrong one, so I’m glad you brought one out. This one seems to excite you a little bit, yeah.

[01:08:38] It’s a little on the pricey side, but you get a lot for your money on this one. You’re selling airplanes, so maybe it’s another one that comes in. That’s right. So this is the twin 64 millimeter f-14 tomcat from free wing. You get a lot of airplane for 500 like why is that? So you get not only a full, full up package with- I think it’s nine servos, quite a few servos in it. It’s on.

[01:09:08] Here somewhere an ordinance package reversing speed control. Gyro, oh, swing wings really. Yeah, gyro, yeah gyro, that’s, I’m hungry. I’m gonna have dinner. Sorry, I wonder if it has a gyro, because it.

[01:09:24] Needs it or just because it’s cool to have that I couldn’t tell you I’ve seen the videos of flying.

[01:09:29] And it’s rock solid. Interesting- has stabilators and flaps and ailerons. What’s a stabilator? Oh, full flying stabs, full flying stats, so they can actually work as ailerons as well as elevators. Yeah, so the horizontal stabilizers are. Yeah, they’re full flying, yeah, nice, yeah, the whole thing moves, yeah, and.

[01:09:51] There’s programming in it for the full size. Yeah, it’s really cool to see them. Yeah, yeah, I like the sound effect when you heard that, because nobody can see your hands. But everybody heard this, heard a pop.

[01:10:05] Yeah, just watch top gun. You can see him turn- actually the newest version with the f-18s. You can really see the stabilators move on that one. Ron hates that movie, I know he does don’t like either.

[01:10:16] Of them because I don’t like the new f-18s I only like the old ones well I mean you’re not wrong the.

[01:10:23] New ones look like poop I mean just saying they took the coolest parts and took them off so they.

[01:10:28] Just made it ugly. Well, so according to I know somebody that flies them- the new ones- and he loves them. Well, I don’t care, he’s flown both. Well, I don’t fly them and I look at them. He says the new ones are like:

[01:10:41] Caddy’s cadillacs. Well, it doesn’t mean you have to like the looks of them like I could really like how a car rides, but I could absolutely be embarrassed to be seen in it like a tesla.

[01:10:53] That hurts he beat me too that hurts I mean I was gonna say it too that you guys suck.

[01:10:59] We’re done perfect mission accomplished.

[01:11:04] Anyway, they’ve got it set up so that the flaps do not deploy when the wings are swept. That’s always handy, nice little safety feature. And it’s got the jolly rogers paint scheme, which is very cool. It’s very popular. It’s gray, sorry, but it’s great for you. Black tails and the skull and crossbones on the tails- yeah, they’re pretty much all the 14s were so, if I remember at

[01:11:28] This vf-84, if I remember correctly. Let me ask a question that I don’t know the answer to, so it’s an actual question, not just a rhetorical one. The jolly rogers scheme on multiple airplanes, then right, so they’ve had multiple aircraft over the years, so is this a group? I mean, is this like a?

[01:11:46] It’s like a squadron. It’s a squadron, yeah, okay, and they’ve been assigned different. Yeah, they’ve been assigned different airplanes over the years: f-4s, f-14. Do they have an f-18? I believe jolly rogers. I don’t know if they may, I’m not really. What’s the one, what’s the f-18? I have the e-flight. Yours is the. That’s a marine corps scheme, never mind with the red, with the bait, with all red tails, maces or

[01:12:12] Something I can’t remember which one that one was I can’t remember but it’s a I’m pretty sure yours is.

[01:12:17] A marine corps now that you say that sounds right but yeah it’s got coordinates lights too.

[01:12:24] Right lights? I think it’s got. Yeah, so that’s. It is like the full package and grassfield capable. Really, what’s? What’s the wingspan? It depends on whether they’re swept or not. Give me two numbers. Well, you asked, well, I figured that I. Oh, you’re right. Wingspan, let’s see here. Extended is what they’re giving us here. It’s 49.2 Inches or 1250 millimeters. For trevor, who cares about millimeters? Metric system.

[01:12:59] It doesn’t make a lot more so 49 40 almost 50 inches that’s pretty good size it’s it’s sizable.

[01:13:05] For 64 millimeters still but then when they sweep it’s going to be half that five hundred dollars.

[01:13:11] Five hundos 260 amp speed controls that are reversing see that’s the problem you’re doubling.

[01:13:17] All of that same. With the bronco you don’t have to buy one motor, I know controller, so you have to buy two. I mean to yell, but I know you’re just a little poed, you’re not getting. No, I’m not like I’m.

[01:13:29] Not upset about it I just well I am I have to prioritize you don’t get one then that raises you higher on my.

[01:13:35] List of getting one and I don’t want to I don’t want to I do want to but I don’t want to if you don’t.

[01:13:40] Need to I. What do we need? Anything though this drama like this? The neat little plug-in- just use your words, dave- the neat little multi-port plug-in so you don’t have, don’t be a dave, so you don’t need your retracts backwards.

[01:13:55] Or plug in your retracts to the brake and burn them up oh so we’re making fun of me too soon I’m.

[01:14:01] See I don’t have my glasses on so I can’t see anything he’s trying to show me he’s talking about.

[01:14:05] The plugs that will only go one way that you can’t mess up I don’t see that on here.

[01:14:12] Where do you see that? On the bottom, where all the wires are. Those are all singles. See, those are all singles. What’s your point, dave? He’s right, dave, those are all. That’s not a multi-port. No, get your glasses, because seven of them plug into the same. Whatever, but they’re, they’re, they’re plugged into their module. Okay, oh, all right, so enough of that.

[01:14:39] Oh by the way did you notice on this that every single page has the price.

[01:14:44] Those are the ones dave printed.

[01:14:47] Yeah, because I forgot the wrong one I saw at 14. I was like, oh, here you go, dave’s, like you did print out the one for the older one, the 80 millimeter twin 80s. Yeah, and dave’s like this has been out for.

[01:14:55] Years. I’m like, oh shucks, I’m an idiot, whatever. No, no, no, no, I am, it’s okay. Oh, I think that’s it for the new stuff. It was a big, big couple weeks. There’s a lot, of, a lot of stuff that came out even back in.

[01:15:10] November. I think that got past me. I, I may. I may make a play for one of those old school model works, polaris. I think that’s a cool. You have a jet to buy, tommy, so you can just stop right now. That’s true. Well, and I have the if I want to have the need for speed. I’ve got the shrike right. It’s ready to go. By the way, oh, mine’s going away. Is that one of them? Okay, I think I have settled on. Do you want me to loosen up the engine before you do that, or are you just going to take it as if you want to have?

[01:15:44] At her I mean it’s up to you there you go do it if you want it so how would you go about loosening.

[01:15:52] Up an engine, a big hammer, so normally good, good question. So for context we’ll frame the conversation. Ron and I picked up a bunch of airplanes from dumpster a while back- two, two, well, it was two, no, that was two, well. But then I got that little helicopter thing that came out of the dumpster which is not an airplane, it’s a bunch of airplanes. Three’s a bunch, three is not a bunch and it’s two anyway. Okay, anyway. So they were shrikes, a big one on a little one, Ron.

[01:16:28] I gave Ron the little one and I took the big one, and on the little one that Ron took, I believe it has a weber 32, I think- nitro engine that’s seized up. So how would I go about loosening that up?

[01:16:41] Basically, I would hold on. Can I take a guess? Sure, so not a nitro guy. Or take out the, the, the, oh, my glow plug, thank you. I kept wanting to say spark plug and I knew that wasn’t right. Take out the glow plug, yes. Put some oil down in there and then also in the throat of the carburetor, yes, and then let that sit for years. I will. So, yeah, I’ll do that. First put.

[01:17:10] That in there and then try to kind of rock the prop back and forth to see if it’ll, if it’ll come loose, and if that doesn’t, if it doesn’t break loose, then I’ll break out the handy dandy heat gun and get her nice and warm, and that will usually be enough to sort of loosen up the varnish, the gumminess that’s inside. And then, yeah, from there you can gradually loosen it up with oil and then, when, when you get that kind of nice and free, you can move on to putting fuel in it, because fuel has alcohol in it and it gets into tighter spots than oil can, and then that will

[01:17:47] Usually be enough to break it loose and put a fresh plug in it and blow through the carb grader, make sure that the fuel passages get the boogers out of the carb jet aren’t clogged up, and if it passes fuel, yeah, hook up some fuel and put a fresh plug in it and off you go. Okay, pretty easy. Yeah, as long as, as long as the bearings are good and all that sort of stuff. Now, obviously, if you free it up and it feels crunchy, probably not good experience the inside of your engine, yeah, that’s.

[01:18:17] When you probably ought to dig a little deeper. But- and sometimes that crunchiness will spin off too the first time you fire it up- yeah, if I can get a little bit of rust on the bearings, if I can get it free enough to where it’ll, it’ll pop what I’m saying like it has enough compression where you pull it through with your hand you can feel it got a lot of resistance. I’ll go ahead and try to run it and then I’ll listen to the bearings after a few minutes of running and normally, yeah, if it’s just crud and not rust, the crunchiness and the noise will go away pretty quick. Yeah, if it doesn’t.

[01:18:46] Go away in the first tank it’s not going to go away yeah so then you’re looking at bearings but.

[01:18:50] Even then it’s not too big a deal. You can get a pair of bokeh bearings, depending on the engine, for probably 25 bucks. So there you go. I can do that for yours if you want. If you feel like going through that just to sell it, then that’s fine with me. What’s your airplane? So you tell me what.

[01:19:09] You want you’ll get a lot more out of it as the engine spins a whole five bucks more.

[01:19:14] A little more if it’s a webra you’ll get well I mean I don’t even you’re taking it to a swap meet so.

[01:19:18] I don’t even know you’re not going to put on it price wise on it so we’ll have to figure stuff like.

[01:19:22] That out does the airframe need repaired I forget yeah what’s wrong with the airframe only thing.

[01:19:27] That’s wrong with it is that tail looks like it got knocked and one of the tails needs glued black or glued back together. Okay, just let me take it home and take care with it, okay, okay, cool, then we will do that. What else? Oh, I bought batteries for my jet. Yes, you did. You guys should be proud of me.

[01:19:50] You stuck with the recommended size yeah even though I’m gonna be honest so these are.

[01:19:56] Three. No, there’s three batteries. They’re actually receiver packs, so they’re made for receivers. Spectrum smart gen one. I don’t like the fact that they don’t have any gen two batteries, because there’s two plugs. You can make fun of me as much as you want, but that is absolutely correct.

[01:20:18] Plugging in that second plug is such a pain it just takes all the enjoyment out of the hobby man.

[01:20:24] How did I get by before? You’re not incorrect. You are absolutely not incorrect. Like, seriously, that single plug. Once you use it you don’t want to go back. Which reminds me, by the way, I’ve decided one of the things I’m taking, two of the things I’m taking to toledo or dayton: my four port chargers. I’ve had them for well. One had for years and years and years and it’s done me well. Still works great.

[01:20:54] But I don’t need it anymore, not with your new truck. The end of an era. Yeah, I’m still using those types of chargers, so, depending on the price, actually I don’t need one either. I don’t fly enough to electric.

[01:21:10] To warrant buying another charger to you. Have a four port, though don’t you two, and that’s enough. Yeah, I have three single ports. Oh my god, how do you survive a caveman? You have to plug in so many.

[01:21:26] Plugs, dave, how do you do it? And then you forget what you have like. You have to change everything. You have to change the charge rate, the cell count. Oh, it’s such a pain. Honestly, it really is, they do.

[01:21:38] Actually have a memory in them, but I never use it because it’s just way easier to push the button three times. Yeah, it’s just way easier to just plug it in and walk away- not too far, though, because it’s a LiPo, so I’m just saying walk away, taking all my enjoyment out of the hobby. I like pushing.

[01:21:56] Buttons: see. Once again, I don’t like tinkering too much with that kind of stuff. The ease just makes it handy. So yes, I now have to plug two wires in. I will survive, but not be too thrilled about it.

[01:22:08] But I got those are they are they life or what are they LiPos okay yeah I like LiPos I know.

[01:22:15] LiPos. I think that’s the biggest thing. I had to get a life battery for the, the turbine. So have you thought about batteries and receivers and all that for your future jet? I mean, yeah, that.

[01:22:28] Was factored into the rough figure that I had in my head. Yeah, and so what? What? Oh, I’m absolutely going to go with the same receiver you got, okay, yeah, I mean for a jet to me, I don’t want to risk anything, and plus, having the gyro built in, it’s a no-brainer, I agree. So then you’re going. Smart batteries and all that too. Well, I mean, I’m probably going to have to right, because look at,

[01:22:53] You go, you don’t have to by or by the way, you can absolutely use whatever battery you want on there and just put a different end either. On that receiver, I guess I could. Yeah, well, the receivers it’s built.

[01:23:03] In? Right, you’d have to build a jumper, wouldn’t you? No, the receiver, it comes off. Those two leads. Yeah, oh, okay, perfect, because some of them they’re plugged in the older ones? Yeah, receiver, okay, yeah.

[01:23:13] So I like the ones that have the pigtails that come off it’s just easier maybe I like when it comes.

[01:23:17] To the batteries. I probably will go with the spectrum batteries, but who knows? Well, you should, in the grand scheme of things, saving fifty dollars on batteries. Is it really worth the potential incompatibility with the plugs? Well, is it worth the pain of changing the plugs on one. What I’m saying. So here’s the nice thing. When you’re spending that kind of money, I agree what is go with the best, go with the simplest right you can. Yeah, anyway, maybe by then I’ll have

[01:23:49] A spectrum charger too, who knows? We’ll see, and if not, that’s a good reason to buy one, right? I’m seriously? Reggie bought his second one. I’m thinking about buying a second one. Yeah, it’s, yeah, it’s.

[01:24:02] Pricey, but I still think it’s worth it, once again for the quick the way. Last year, at the place we won’t mention which place, the place we’re not going to mention- rhymes with home all oh wait, shouldn’t? When I saw yours in action and how quickly you were able to charge the batteries on the, what was that? The tell me? Ah, right or not it, but yeah, that like the quickness with which you were flying.

[01:24:30] Again that was impressive so and I had to plug one lead in right so dummy and you walked away in a.

[01:24:39] Caveman five feet that’s why it’s so much faster yeah because you only have to plug in one lead and.

[01:24:44] They charge at 5c, so literally they charge fast. It charges in the amount of time that you fly, basically pretty much. I mean, four batteries was too much. Yes, I had too many batteries, so we’ll see, but anyway.

[01:24:58] Yeah, the receiver is definitely. I mean, if they’re available, then which they should be. I was gonna say they’re available now, aren’t they? Well, I don’t know, are they sold out? Oh, I don’t.

[01:25:10] Know, oh, I got mine. So I haven’t looked. I don’t like the rest of you guys, I got mine. I don’t like seeing the price on that kind of makes me cringe still, and they are pricey, but it’s hopefully worth it. What else? Oh, the other thing: I got my sewing machine. Oh, that’s right. Funny story: I actually got two sewing machines on the same day. Oh geez, they found the other one, huh well, apparently because it delivered the same time that I got the correct one. So, long story short, I emailed the person that I bought it in quotes- air quotes off of from walmart, because it wasn’t actually through walmart. I didn’t.

[01:25:46] Realize that it was a third-party shop and yeah, so that’s taken care of. It’s on its way back. And what else? I got stuff for making wing materials, yeah, but that’s where I have stopped. Well, you’ve got.

[01:25:59] A lot going on the bathroom projects- plural, oh yeah, okay, anyway, we’re getting there, we’re slowly getting, still moving mom out here. We’re getting there, yes, slowly getting. I mean there’s a lot going on, so you haven’t had a lot of time to tinker exactly. But we’ll get. But you will, and I’m excited because.

[01:26:18] I need wing bags yeah but you mean you I’m I’m looking at you yeah no yeah it’s your song we have.

[01:26:26] To learn together how to no that’s your deal I’ll pay you to make them paid for it I want somebody to.

[01:26:34] Hold my hand it’s not that hard guys I do it all the time oh there you go I have to sew my pants up.

[01:26:40] Oh that’s right he does because he’s only got one leg I don’t know if you knew that or not.

[01:26:44] One leg one sock one shoe exactly one leg pant leg yeah and you don’t want me having an open leg.

[01:26:52] Situation going so yeah but that’s just one line across like we’re talking about a little bit more.

[01:26:58] In depth. I mean it’s the same process. The same process. I mean it’s not that big a deal I’ve. I’ve even made you guys. You remember the old mga pilots back in the day? Oh yeah, yeah, you got a set of hands instead of feet ahead, and then patterns. You have to make your own dolled clothes, so I sewed.

[01:27:16] All those I wonder if that’s what that thing is up on that schweitzer glider it’s not I don’t think.

[01:27:20] So okay then never mind. I don’t know what that one is. It’s nice, yeah, it’s hideous, it’s scary. It is scary with the beard- the van dyke beard is kind of it’s a little creepy. A little creepy, but no, I don’t think that’s one of those mg associates. Pilots, speaking of nice, that pilot Reggie got for his p51 is.

[01:27:38] Nice yeah oh is it yeah you saw the you didn’t see the picture he put he put a picture I don’t I.

[01:27:43] Don’t honestly stay. He saw it. He responded I did: yeah, oh my god, are you serious? I think did I say something? I think you said: awesome, I’m guessing, or hilarious, it is a good looking, that’s a good.

[01:27:58] Looking cockpit too, by the way. Yeah, it’s turning out nice. It is a tremendous amount of work. How’s the how’s the coffin coming along? Talk to Reggie about that one. Well, if he’s Ron hall at 401 pm, nice with.

[01:28:14] An explanation point oh that was a text so that wasn’t discord no that was text okay I’ve been.

[01:28:21] Leaving this to Reggie to post, and he’s not posted anything. Okay, I remember that he doesn’t post something soon I’ll have to do something, but yeah, so is it close, is it? It’s close, the, the gun site and the canopy, and I think we’re, we’re good, sweet, then dave can work on his own stuff. I don’t know what.

[01:28:39] To do with myself or my stuff, who knows? No. But I said if Reggie has that airplane with the little pilot in there, he needs to have a coffin ready for when he crashes. Oh yeah, I get it now. It was a relatively expensive pilot too well, so it needs a nice coffin. Nice coffin, yeah, crumb plated.

[01:29:02] Now, this airplane is going to live forever. Okay, I hope so. Was this as much work as you put into it? Yeah, you found out that you put fair amount of work into it as well. Well, not near as much as you did.

[01:29:12] I think definitely more than I have like I think I it was just a repair to the top of the nose is all.

[01:29:17] Yeah, you had to straighten it. Apparently there’s a huge gap between the spinner and the cowl at one point. Yeah, and then I found out that it hasn’t flown yet. Thanks at all, never, ever. I should never ask these questions that I don’t want answers to. That is true. Yeah, I would have really preferred this thing had flown before I put all this work into it. Yeah, well, it’s gonna have.

[01:29:41] At least one. Well, I mean, or nothing against Reggie: half flight, okay, but I’m gonna say something against Reggie: no, no, but maybe he’ll, maybe he’ll have you do the maiden, maybe. I don’t want to, you don’t want to. Tommy, what are you up to? -No, say nope, I’ll do it. What?

[01:30:02] The heck I would. I would feel terrible. Actually, the last time I flew a large-scale p51 I had an accident with it, so I feel a little jinxed at this point. Sure, and I get that. I can’t say that I was gonna.

[01:30:17] Say: would you believe, I’ve never owned a peep, but I have. I had the. I was gonna say, yes, you have, because I bought it off of you and then I got rid of it myself- yeah, without flying it true.

[01:30:28] It happens a lot unfortunately speaking of flying how do you land do you prefer a three-point.

[01:30:35] Or a wheel landing. A lot of times it depends on the airplane and the and the gear configuration, but more often than not, like on a tail dragger, I prefer a three-pointer. You like three-pointer?

[01:30:48] Mm-hmm, that’s what I prefer. I tend to prefer a wheel landing. Okay, what’s the difference really? So for those aren’t familiar- and this also applies to track gear plane as well, but not to the same extent- a wheel landing- you land on the mains first and do a rollout and eventually the tail drop, and then you’re back in your three-point position. A three-point landing: tail and mains try to hit about the same time, so their plane usually lands as a nose up attitude, which is usually slower.

[01:31:20] Not necessarily slower, but what it does give you in a crosswind situation. It gives you more tail authority. Your tail wheel, especially the tail wheel, is down first and gives you more traction to help steer the aircraft to keep it from ground. Looping in a crosswind also helps with prop clearance.

[01:31:35] Yeah which may be an issue with the beast it’s going to be a huge issue what do you have an inch.

[01:31:40] It’s not much not much so yeah you’re going to like that three-pointer yep the plus side with a.

[01:31:48] Wheel landing, though, is your wing is at a much lower angle of attack. Therefore, it’s less prone to bounce into the air in a sudden gust, but that’s only if you’re flying directly into the wind or close to it, mm-hmm, so it varies depending on the situation as to what you really want to do. Yep, and certain airplanes like three points better than others. Some airplanes you have to practically stall them to.

[01:32:13] Get them to land. Yeah, yes, like a cub, well, or yeah, exactly. Or to more specifically: and p51s are notorious for this bouncing, so you pretty much have to have that thing stalled, otherwise it’s just going to bounce and try to keep flying. Yeah, yeah, now a tricycle gear. I actually kind of like to do wheel landings with those, because I just think it looks cool to ride with the nose high. My cessna 150 comes in so nice.

[01:32:37] On the mains just drag that nose wheel up as far as you can so like I said I for me it depends on.

[01:32:42] Depends on the airplane and the gear configuration. But for tail draggers I like the three pointers and for tricycle gear I like to land on the mains. Do that aerodynamic braking, mm-hmm? Yes.

[01:32:54] Which is the same configuration that you like to come in on then yes yeah higher angle of attack yep.

[01:33:03] Yeah, I agree, that’s kind of how I am too cool, cool, cool, nice, so cool, cool, cool. Anything else new was that it? I think we covered it all. I think that’s all, and joe knoll’s coming up. God, I gotta drink again.

[01:33:21] It’s what is it water I don’t know it’s clear.

[01:33:25] Oh goodness all right no I yeah I wish I had more to talk about but I mean other than working.

[01:33:31] On the nose oh yeah I wanted to bring that up oh so bring that up you’ve been working on the nose.

[01:33:37] Of my glider. Yeah, and I’m at work stoppage because you decided what? What nothing. You decided: go on that. You that you wanted a quick release propeller assembly, can I call it that? Yeah, yeah, you wanted a quick release propeller assembly, so I’m at a work stoppage. I wanted like, so the nose of this gliders was his looks like it had been run into something because the nose

[01:34:10] Was smashed and all that sort of it looks more to me like somebody had a motor mounted in it and then, when they wanted to get rid of the airplane, they thought, oh, how do I get this motor out? Oh, I’m just gonna rip it off. Yeah, I mean, that’s kind of what it looks like. It’s rough. So, yeah, I took the nose.

[01:34:27] Off to the first good former and I’ll have to rebuild that all back up and then also mount an electric motor and prop hub assembly. And that’s where you and I sort of differ in the aesthetics of the airplane. I would prefer to put a more permanent solution, if you will, with the motor, the prop adapter and a spinner to sort of round off the nose and make it aerodynamic or whatever.

[01:34:58] You prefer to keep it more scale, like I can say that. And so that is a rounded off nose, like, like it has no motor. But then we’re going to drill a hole through the nose and stick the motor shaft out and there’s the prop hub assembly, just sort of hanging out in the breeze. Yes, which leads us to why, one reason why you wanted the quick release, so you could pull it off and it would sort of minimize.

[01:35:24] The ugliness whenever the product looks like a beanie. I mean maybe so there’s a guy at the field that has a glider and has this nice little quick release thing to just you push a button, you pull the propeller off. I like it. I think it’s cool. It makes the plane look better when it’s just sitting there without this ugly propeller just hanging out the front. That’s not supposed to be there. On the scale model, I mean like this is not a powered glider, gotcha from. I mean it’s. It’s a model of a

[01:35:57] Real glider and those are not powered. Those are toe gliders. So when it’s just sitting there, you’re just going to see a hole in the front which looks fine to me. To me it just looks like that’s where the toe rope goes. Quick connect glider, quick connect propeller. Like I said, push button, take it off. In my now this is where I was leaning towards doing this. It operates. I’m sorry, it operates.

[01:36:20] Sort of like a quick release safety pin. Yeah, you grab. Yeah, exactly, in case anyone was, who’s listening still is not, not tracking what, because I didn’t know what it was. Like I, even when I was kind of looking at the at the link you sent me, I’m like what I don’t? And then so I finally I had to look at the exploded view. I’m like, oh okay, it’s like a, it’s like what I would call a, a quick release safety pin. So you push the, the button in on the end, it releases a ball bearing and then that allows you.

[01:36:48] To slide it off the shaft, like if remember when people used to carry keys and you had two sets, yes, of keys, that little thing, yeah, where you would push the button, then you could separate your two key halves, have one same idea: ring with keys on one side, one on the other, works a lot like that, however, so I texted him asking him what it was. He told me and I thought, cool, I’m going to order one, because this is when we’re having the discussion. And then I really wasn’t sure what I wanted to do when I saw the price. Yeah, they’re not cheap, they are like I was expecting. Honestly, I had in my mind

[01:37:25] For the spinner- not spinner, but the little h, the yolk, yeah, and the blades and the quick connect. I thought 75 bucks and I was comfortable with that. I was like that’s cool, it’s worth it, that’s about.

[01:37:45] What I paid for the combo on my vamana, is it really? Yeah, see, I guess I don’t know- with the spinner, the blades, the yolk and the, the collet adapter, all of that was about 75 bucks and that is a very small.

[01:37:57] That is, oh, that’s. It’s small ish and it’s not even quick release. So these are after: well, free shipping. So, luckily, there you go. I’ll have it tomorrow, but it was 263 dollars and some odd cents. My good for. I mean like, yeah, but it should work out good. It should be cool, it should be what makes me happy and, honestly, once it gets here, it gets put on by you and is ready to be flown in.

[01:38:30] Three or four years. I’m not even going to remember how much I spent on. I’m just gonna be happy money’s already spent, that it’s done and gone, yeah, and I will say, well, no, I won’t say so, yeah, it will be good. Hopefully you love flying this thing. I’m really thinking I will, but I’ve let myself down before, so I don’t know. We’ll see. It should be fun. Random thought I just had in my head what

[01:38:56] About 3d printing a nose no it’s gonna be harder okay I think just if we can I’ll build it by we.

[01:39:05] By you and just do the balls to sand it down, make it look right and then cover it up because you’re- that’s the other thing- like with what comes. This is, by the way, this is a torqueman t-o-r-c-m-a-n quick connect which, once you figure out what it’s called, then you can actually google and find it, because just looking up like quick connect, glider and all that stuff will get you nowhere if you don’t know exactly what you’re looking for, which I tried that for quite a while. Anyway, torqueman, I ended up buying mine through hacker motors and also bought, I think, what is it?

[01:39:43] I don’t remember what propellers I ended up getting, because there were maybe falcon. There was only one in the size I needed, which is 20 by 14. I think it could be completely wrong, 20 inch, but I remember what the pitch is. They were the only one, or they were the only ones, that came in white. Oh, and I thought white will match better the airplane than having two big, honking black propellers sitting outside. Yay, yay, yay, yay. So I agree, torqueman, t-o-r-c-m-a-n. Torqueman.

[01:40:21] Torqueman, torquman 200. Oh, don’t worry about the price, we don’t. That’s gone now, so we’re we’re happy with the excitement of getting it. So now that I- oh, once I go ahead- I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to cut. The point I was trying to make five minutes ago was that it looks like that has a bearing that is going to have to be mounted in the nose. Yeah, to support the shaft. So, yeah, we’ll see how that goes. So we’ll have to have all of that before you can build up the nose to see correct depth and

[01:40:53] Mounting and correct accessibility stuff. Yeah, but as long as I can get to the very front to push on that and pull the propeller off, I’ll feel cool playing with the big kids. You should not say it that way, because the pin is on the end. Oh no, I mean, yeah, I know I can, as long as I can get just a- I mean finger behind it enough to should be, pull it off, yep, it’ll be good. We’ll be able to figure out what were you going to say, though I’m sorry I cut you off. I don’t remember. Oh gosh, man, sorry it wasn’t that big a deal, I don’t think. Oh, one thing I just thought of. That’s what you

[01:41:27] Said and then that’s what are we yeah okay anything I really don’t you really don’t remember.

[01:41:36] What I was gonna say you can text me tonight at midnight when it hits you.

[01:41:42] No I we yeah we need to get that project going because it needs to be flown I need to look at dates.

[01:41:48] Honestly, because that will probably have to wait until after joe. No, yeah, well, when does the glider tow? That’s why I said I have to look at dates: june, I think. Right, I think it’s mid to late june.

[01:42:01] Faster than you expect yeah that’s gonna get here before but you need to get covering I know I need.

[01:42:08] To get repairing and covering we should have a covering party one weekend out here well let me get the nose.

[01:42:12] Fixed. Yeah, get back from my school, yeah, and then go back from dayton, yeah, well, and then get back from joan, all yeah, and then we’ll do that. Oh god, I don’t know how I’m going to survive. All you can.

[01:42:26] Work on it. Well, I’m not here. I would love to, I would absolutely love to, but I- yeah, other projects have to come first and then I will. I get it. Anything else, gentlemen, we good, I’ve got one thing to add. One thing. I like that dave’s not just like I’m done, he’s like: yeah, I got what’s your one.

[01:42:44] Thing. My one thing: we’re coming up to toledo real soon, right, yes, so all of our listeners- I know a few of them are going to be making their way up there- I would like to maybe have you hit us up. We I’d like to maybe get us together and do a. Well, we can do that too. Field re- field reporter.

[01:43:03] I see what he’s playing but nobody else knows oh yeah we can do that too what that means.

[01:43:09] Because now I’ve lost my train of thought. Dang, I’m sorry. People going to toledo, so we’re going to lead together. I would like to do a get together and maybe do a dinner and go to the spaghetti warehouse, everybody together. So maybe kind of hit us up either on the internet or when you get there.

[01:43:24] First of all I kind of like know who’s going to be there yeah and that place is capable of.

[01:43:28] Doing big parties? Yeah, they can do that. Yeah, well, that’s awesome. Dave said he’s treating. That’s not what I heard, but I’m sorry, I’m joking. No, that’ll be good. So, if you want to meet us and

[01:43:39] Not tommy yeah feel free to if you want to meet me you come to date just yeah hit us up on.

[01:43:46] The website or the discord, or in person at toledo, let us know. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that’d be fun. I’m up for it, me, wow me next year. So I have, you’re not gonna get a 13 layer lasagna. Nope, not this year, I think.

[01:44:03] I have figured possibly 21 airplanes to get rid of to take to either toledo or dayton- 21. A lot of them are umx and small stuff, so it’s not like huge airplanes. But well, I hope you do well in toledo. So

[01:44:22] That I don’t have anything so that you don’t have anything to take to dayton because I’m taking lots.

[01:44:26] And they’re not small airplanes yeah so and you need to sell blah.

[01:44:32] I know it’s not that I need to. I just I really should. Well, you want the money so you can buy your jet. Well, yeah, but I mean from a from a space standpoint, I should sell things that I’m not flying.

[01:44:43] Is it? Is it weird that I’m like excited for you to have a jet now and that makes me kind of want to finish mine even more. Well, good, I’m glad, which mine won’t be done soon. No, I know, I just right now couldn’t put all three gear up. It just looks silly. It’s got fixed gear on a jet, only one. It’s okay, it’s gonna look lock-sided, look like dave gear leg hanging down.

[01:45:12] Oh yeah, you should probably end on that note. Speaking of that, my carbon z t28 drives me nuts with that hanging gear. Oh, it never one that doesn’t? It never completely retracts the left.

[01:45:24] Main gear. Oh, that’s when you repainted. Yeah, ray, right? No, it’s camo. Oh, it’s camo, that’s right, it is, that’s right, it’s a vietnam camo, yeah, yeah. Oh, look at you showing off: oh, vietnam, southeast asia, from that era, because that’s the correct paint scheme, there was four of these made. At least it’s not gray or silver. So there’s that, there’s that. There’s one floppy door that just doesn’t work.

[01:45:51] Right, yeah, it drives me nuts. I’ve got to the point where I take off, roll it inverted and retract all the way up now on the ground. That thing goes up and down every single time. It never fails holding it on the ground as soon as it’s airborne. That left one will not go up unless I’m inverted. I’ve changed the controllers, I’ve changed retracts, I’ve changed everything.

[01:46:14] Drives me nuts to the point where I don’t enjoy flying the airplane because I don’t like to watch it. I wonder if the mount needs shimmed I, that was my first thought. Yeah, I’ve taken it apart. Such a dork. The activating jack screw it doesn’t. I mean it runs as smooth as can be.

[01:46:34] Jack screw. I knew that was gonna be a problem. Yeah, the jack screw needs shimmed. Have you shimmed your jack screw lately? No, I have not all right, clean it up. We’re out of here. Ron, you’re such a child. I’m sorry it’s late. I have, I’m tired and yeah, I’ve behaved tonight. There’s a lot of stuff I haven’t said that I’ve thought of. You should be proud of me. He’s taking a beat in the night. That was perfect. Look.

[01:47:10] He’s turning red oh it’s a red I’ve never seen before okay I’m about to pass out lightheaded.

[01:47:17] Are we done are we finished all right thank you everybody for listening until next time Ron I’m Tom.

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