Ep 154: Listener Questions

[00:00:11] Hello everyone and welcome to the sick edition of the rc plane lab podcast i'm ron i'm tom and i'm dave can you guess who is the sick one it's not tom it's not ron does it sound that bad no actually not yet beforehand it did as of now we're good but it's been 28 seconds so

[00:00:29] Yes we'll caveat the episode by saying that dave is not feeling himself and may feel worse as the episode goes on but we'll see he's not feeling himself we are going to make him suffer through it anyway he's not feeling himself who's he feeling well he's not feeling me so any whoozle

[00:00:52] We got some listener questions we do this is a weird timing episode yes because we literally recorded two days two days ago but with tommy being out of town for a while we figured if we did it this way we would have at least one with me in it while i'm gone only one without you while you're gone is how i was looking at it well that's a blessing right yes in disguise not sure how to take that no it's good we like having you here oh i thought you were saying the opposite no like it

[00:01:26] When i'm not here no because then i don't have to talk as much when you're here because dave's usually pretty quiet sorry i'm sorry he's looking at facebook or something on his phone i think we know i forgot to turn on airplane mode oh no big deal yeah because you'll get yelled at even though the host one of the hosts we're all one of the hosts by the way one of the other hosts who's all

[00:01:50] Right we're safe now who's not you i'm not gonna call ron will complain about your phone not making noises but then his phone always makes noises do you have a point that was it okay good so is that it that was all that's it okay before we get into questions do you want to provide our

[00:02:07] Listeners with an update so it's odd because it's only been two days since we recorded but i feel as though in those two days we did more rc plane related yeah than in the last huge update really to be honest well you guys got a lot done it's a big update and tommy got more done than i did because tommy's the one that does all the shrike oh that yeah so last time we talked about the the shrike that i'm taking to sell in dayton if it doesn't go in toledo i told you i'm going to be getting those mixed up we're starting with it in toledo and then if it doesn't get sold there

[00:02:39] It'll go into to dayton but anyway so it's the smaller series the smaller size size shrike linear shrike that had trying to think what was wrong with it it had the rear stab knocked off and the motor was hole in the wing oh there was a and the engine was locked in the covering not the covering right so last episode two days ago tommy decided to take it home and then the day after that friday he showed me a video sent me a video of the engine running runs good and get everything

[00:03:14] Put back together and brought it to me that next day yeah runs good as all webers do so what all

[00:03:19] All did you do to it so i freed up obviously freed up the engine and ran it and so i found some covering that actually matched it's a metallic yellow actually really yeah i don't know if it's

[00:03:30] Ultra code or what's the other one i'm trying to think i think that was monoco that did the this was definitely this was definitely not monoco because it had the white backing and white backing

[00:03:40] At any rate i found some that matched cover right then oh that could be it could be cover right yeah because it was thick it was a very that sounds like cover i king anyway found some of that in my stash that matched it likely came out of the same dumpster that the airplane came out of now that i think about it that would make sense then yeah because i didn't have very much just enough to to do that and it was brittle also so that was fun to work with but yeah patched up the covering freed up the engine and ran it and just oh and i fixed the stab the vertical stab put that back on

[00:04:14] And made it presentable so now if should you decide to keep it it's worth keeping i thought about it

[00:04:21] But it's nitro i know like when i originally got it from you or however you want to say that for good from the dumpster that that my plan was to make it electric yeah and i'm going to be honest that's a project i don't want to deal with especially because it's together so i don't want to go through

[00:04:42] The hassle that'd be a i don't want to say a difficult project but because of the size of the flight back yeah battery so probably best that you leave it nitro and let someone else enjoy it and you get your wonder kit yeah and you got i know i keep forgetting about that that you can start from scratch basically and build that however you like it to match your power system so yep so

[00:05:08] So the only thing that needs now is a receiver yeah it needs a receiver and a tank and a tank yeah

[00:05:13] There was no tank in it and i didn't have any tanks small enough to fit in it otherwise i would

[00:05:18] Put one in there i think it's a two ounce yeah it's tiny i think i got rid of all my tanks actually yeah i think i was never gonna use it thank you it was either you or you said you didn't want some of them so they went to brian's oh okay that's right yeah because i have a you have a plethora

[00:05:34] Of tanks of large apparently i think so yeah just no small ones yeah so anyway but be a fun airplane strike is done it should be fast that little engine screams it did pretty good and that was a nine seven prop too not not a nine six that you would normally put on something that small yeah so it was cranking on a big prop yeah i should have i should have tacked it but it sounded like it was 12 13 000 it's up there anyway good airplanes for somebody else the the other very exciting

[00:06:08] Thing that i was happy about friday we got the jet started we got the jet started several times

[00:06:16] Yes it has four what i would call nominal runs on it been watching spacex yes

[00:06:24] That's about the only time i ever hear that nominal trajectory but i mean no no no hiccups no

[00:06:31] Anomalies of any kind so yep no ruds definitely no ruds that's yeah rapid unscheduled disassembly

[00:06:41] It was no it was a good nerve-wracking at first it was with you yeah me too because i because it's not mine that should make it better well i don't know it's weird i feel some sort of

[00:06:56] Responsibility when i'm sort of running the show but yeah exactly well i i did all the reading so i knew what i was i think i i would say i knew what i was doing i i get the gist of it but with

[00:07:11] Something like that i learned better by watching and doing under somebody else's tutelage as opposed to reading right so if you were happy reading and figuring it out then that was which i was because

[00:07:23] That that sort of the tinkering that makes me tick yeah so so yeah four good runs on it i would say good runs loud yeah loud when you're next to it yeah forgot to put my earplugs in once

[00:07:35] In the video yeah that you posted on youtube there's a video on youtube of running that's no talking just a quick start up and shut down yeah i think it was like four minutes from start to end yeah but no it

[00:07:49] Was smoky only on shutdown and and startup yeah i guess that's i mean that'll get better maybe maybe that's normal but it seemed it seemed excessive to me on shutdown it did a little excessive well

[00:08:03] Have you seen like jet meets and stuff when people run not kerosene but when they actually run diesel it's smokier than kerosene okay so i mean that didn't really concern me too much i mean there's a lot of times especially bigger turbines when i've seen them shut them off and it

[00:08:21] Just i mean it very very smoky so you think that's the difference between kerosene and diesel then

[00:08:26] Yeah kerosene burns cleaner ah and why are we not running kerosene in yours because it's not as easily accessible oh okay i mean honestly you can run either you can run jet fuel which i think is just a different form of kerosene and then like a more refined maybe i don't know kerosene like i said or you can run diesel which is i mean seriously from eli it's less than a mile away at the gas station that's up there and you send your turbine in every 25 hours to be regardless of clean

[00:09:00] And taken care of so okay there's no from what i've been told there's no ill side effects to using diesel

[00:09:06] Well you are you are about 10 minutes closer now to to rebuild yeah 25 hours should that should be a while that's what depends on how much we fly hopefully it's a lot 10 that's 10 bucks an hour

[00:09:22] I guess is what it cost me to run that thing just in rebuild costs right did i do that math correct 20 250 bucks is what it costs yeah so 10 bucks yep that's not bad not bad at all could you fly what

[00:09:36] 15 20 minutes at a time maybe probably not even probably closer to 10 yeah honestly so yes it'll

[00:09:42] Be good i think so that's a lot of flights yeah pretty exciting 40 flights something like that yeah

[00:09:48] It will be a bunch yeah with four four good starts under your belt i mean you feel pretty pretty comfortable it's easy i mean it is it does everything for us yeah it's just a push button and go not even that you just run the trim all the way up and run the throttle stick up to full power and back and it does everything from there just it it handles the whole startup procedure which is really cool and it sounds it's fun to watch too on the on the gsu that's what that's called yeah it's fun to watch because it'll tell you what stage of the startup it is too i didn't show you

[00:10:22] That but no i didn't see as i was watching it it it would display what phase of the startup is is happening which is pretty cool oh that is neat so that's when i knew when to look for flames and

[00:10:32] And such yeah nice and i could see them it was awesome because you could hear and it must be like a spark plug that's in it not like a glow plug because i could hear the clicking of it and i'm assuming that's what i was hearing so yep yeah it was kind of cool trying to light the and then wine love to

[00:10:51] Hear that at the airport here at the f4s click click click click click yep well this is a lot

[00:10:56] Quieter than those i assume but yeah still the same still loud if you're not wearing earplugs which is neat yeah yeah like i said i was i was happy with how that went down now unfortunately the jet is stored in the garage just because i don't want to get the diesel smell and stuff all in here but we'll see how that goes it might end up living in here over the winter time i would say when you

[00:11:17] Defuel it it probably should be okay the uat still is fill or is still full oh is it because it pulls

[00:11:24] After it pulls the fuel oh right the main tank then it pulls it from the uat which fills from the top so i mean i guess we could flip it over i mean i don't know if it matters that much

[00:11:35] I mean the the only place you're going to get the smell is out of the vent

[00:11:42] That's true i mean just cap that because the uat is yes it's all sealed so i guess i could just get a a cap like you said for the the vent on the bottom anyway it's done it's ready to go almost

[00:11:56] Almost right well technically it could fly well that's true you could lock the gear down

[00:12:00] That'll be fixed by next time we speak i just have not got the gear yet so cool

[00:12:09] What else oh yeah i yeah i tinkered around with the beast just this morning actually you gave me the gizmo like what it's called amp meter amp meter that's it plug that into one battery because it only has one lead on it and i ran when i say ran i turned the airplane on and ran all the servos and like got really violent with the sticks trying to and i even put my hand on a couple of the surfaces to try to provide some resistance and with one battery the

[00:12:40] Most i ever saw was 7.8 something amps so just call it eight amps and then when i plugged in the second battery so that was just running one battery through the amp meter right yeah so the

[00:12:53] Amp meter only has one in one out so you didn't use a second battery at first to save the complete

[00:12:59] Draw exactly okay and then when i plugged in the second battery as expected it halved all of those numbers so worst case scenario the amp draw i'm just going to call it four amps per battery yeah which is a little more than i'd like to see across those jst connectors but if i'm honest i don't fly that way like i don't i don't fly with the that's an intermittent load yeah so it's not constant i feel pretty comfortable that one battery would be enough however because it

[00:13:32] Makes me feel better i'm going to leave the two batteries in there yeah i do a lot of that kind of stuff yeah because it makes me feel yeah and so i like i said i'm pretty sure it would fly fine with one battery because i did switch the thing over to volts and i watched the voltage when i was moving the sticks around and putting some resistance and with one battery i never saw the voltage get below i want to say it was either five five six five five or maybe it was six it was five five never saw it get below that with one battery and then when i plugged in the battery it never got

[00:14:07] Below six and a half so and you also said those batteries were at yeah they were at storage charge yeah so yeah i feel sorry lipos or those those are like lithium ions lithium ions yep so they're they're they're they're i think they might be labeled incorrectly because i think lithium ions are seven two and lipos are seven four two cell i mean but these are labeled seven four but they're they're actually a lithium lithium ion chemistry so either way plenty plenty of battery so it'll be

[00:14:39] Interesting when i top those batteries off and do a 15 minute or so flight to see how much i'm actually pulling out of them capacity wise yeah because these are 2500 milliamp packs and i feel like that's going to be plenty and they're nice and lightweight too maybe i mean i mean what do i like normally i go to the field and i fly what two or three times and that's usually i'm done true yeah so i think i think 2500 will be played but my plan is to once i get to the field with it do a range check

[00:15:11] Just to make me feel that much better do that one flight and then check them recharge them either at the field and see how much i actually put back in then i'll feel a lot better about

[00:15:23] How much i can fly with them you're sticking with that receiver you're not putting the power safe in

[00:15:28] I mean i so in the 20 or so minutes that i had it on this morning and running all the surfaces and all that no frame now granted i was close like you mentioned in the in the text we were going back and forth but no frame losses and no holds and i even unplugged it and plugged it back in several times different i tried to be like slow plugging it back in and then i tried to plug it in because i'm not using switches yeah and i there was no frame losses no holds so i

[00:15:59] Don't know it could have been just some weird thing with the way i was plugging it in before but

[00:16:06] No issues with it this morning so i'm surprised you didn't get holds on that but like i said i guess it depends on what receiver you must be using that's what i assumed your holds last time unplugging it plugging it back in that's that's seeing a loss of signal loss of communication that was longer than the the frames that it takes to just show single drops so that's why i went to a hold but i i don't

[00:16:28] Know maybe i'm wrong yeah i could not i could not repeat it so yeah but yeah the plan is i'm gonna leave that receiver in it do a range check the very first time yeah before i fly it just to make me feel that much better but i'm gonna fly it the way the way it is sounds fine to me yeah so and that unfortunately won't be till yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be a while now yeah because i'm gonna be gone for just shy of a month so we're in a weather hold now anyway well yeah it's so dang windy except

[00:16:58] Except friday was nice for a little bit yeah it got pretty bad there towards the evening but

[00:17:06] Yeah after we ran the jet you were actually able to fly a couple things i did maiden one i did i

[00:17:11] Made in the umx consendo that thing flies great it really does yeah i'm not sure i want to destroy it

[00:17:18] Now i don't think you will and if you do i mean i mean it's cheap enough i can get parts available

[00:17:24] And parts yeah but it does it flies really really nice i like i i flew so i i have two timers set up on my transmitter i have a what i call a motor timer and then just a regular on timer and what's

[00:17:37] Your motor timer start at like is it anything over a certain percent what do you have that set to do you

[00:17:41] Oh 25 okay me too so when i get the throttle stick above 25 it turns the timer on and then when i pull the throttle off it shuts the timer off so i know because it's a glider yeah exactly motor glider so on i think it was three and a half ish minutes of motor time i got like ten and a half minutes of actual flight time yeah which for an electric little umx is pretty dang good i'd say yeah and you were up there yeah and it doesn't take long to get there no it's like straight vertical no

[00:18:11] Issues yeah yeah it's a good airplane it is i i like it a lot only problem we had and just in general the way the wind was going is it was landing that thing was landing with a tail tail

[00:18:22] Because the weight yeah because looking back i probably should have just done circles above and then landed away from me and walked down got it but it worked out that would have been a good idea

[00:18:32] Yeah can you program it to kick the ailerons up i sure can there you go and i did but oh did you

[00:18:39] Yeah it's still pretty floaty even with the ailerons up all i know is i was in the garage and i just

[00:18:43] Heard heads up heads up and i turned around and looked and i just saw the airplane go right by the garage i started laughing because that was like the garage the way it was set up was probably 50 feet 40 feet behind where you were sitting and so you made it past the garage

[00:19:02] To the driveway which is probably another it didn't make it quite to the driveway well which driveway like the driveway going up to the garage or the driveway driveway to the road it was it wasn't in the driveway it was in the is it it landed just ahead of it and then ran down

[00:19:17] Into the ditch oh okay yeah and by ditch you just mean like it's not like an actual low spot right on the side of the road but yeah so that was a probably another 30 to 40 feet give or take

[00:19:30] Yeah it was a good ways so yeah that was funny needs a drug shoot yeah that well i'm not sure a drug shoot would have helped because i was tailwind oh yeah so and that was a problem i had

[00:19:40] The same problem trying to land the slow ultra stick yeah because it floats so much too i i literally half the battery i was trying to land into the wind but i just i could not get it to where i was happy

[00:19:51] With how far away you had to get with it right i didn't want to run into a tree or go again field

[00:19:57] Because thank you sorry go into the field because i haven't mowed the field this year so it's taller than the rest of the grass otherwise if that would have been cut no problems whatsoever but yeah oh

[00:20:08] Well still fun life still had a good time flew the ultrax that thing's always a blast yeah it's a good airplane yeah except i don't know what i did i got a little too close to the ground or something and oh yeah you doinked it hard i did yeah i broke the nose and everything well cracked it anyway

[00:20:23] That's fixed already so whatever would you just glue it up shugu yeah i don't i i don't know what

[00:20:30] Happened either i was surprised so glad you guys had fun friday i was just locked in my box sorry

[00:20:39] Yeah well i took half day so i was happy with that yeah i didn't expect you were gonna be like i i forgot you're off fridays but like i said i ended up taking a half day because i knew this weekend was going to be shot yeah completely out of the realm of doing anything i really wanted to yeah so i took

[00:20:57] By the way the bathroom's coming coming along nicely i gotta say by the time this goes live hopefully i'm

[00:21:02] Done yeah that would be sweet but anyway so i took half day and that's why i was working on the jet stuff because i wanted to get everything hooked back up all the the plumbing done and all that just in case we had a chance to yeah to run it sometime and worked out didn't even think about it but you it sent me a text with the shrike video running it and i was like oh that means he's working on stuff and i was like hey what are you doing now so i sent you a picture of me working on the jet you're like are you home all day yeah yes i am all right i'll be out as soon as i'm done with my

[00:21:37] My chores so i was doing laundry so oh no biggie that's fine i was wondering what you were doing

[00:21:42] Because you said you had other things to finish up on but well i was also getting the mower ready

[00:21:46] Because we're getting pretty close to mowing season yeah it sucks doesn't it yes i hate

[00:21:51] That i i gotta drop the deck on mine i gotta change the blades on mine because i must have hit something last year and one of my blades is messed up that minor's dolls could be it rips of grass

[00:22:02] Instead of cutting it you would think for a guy like me that loves to tinker would enjoy

[00:22:07] That kind of no i don't not even so that's not the tinkering you like no yeah not even a little bit i thought about just taking it somewhere and having to be honest and i got an idler probably it's loose

[00:22:20] Or it doesn't pull hard enough so long grass it's pools down it's an 83 john deere i mean i mean it's

[00:22:28] Done in the best it can but oh yeah i think was it last year or the year before we bought ours i think it was a year before so it's been two years without sharpening blades or doing anything because i haven't done anything on that one yet so yeah so it's gonna be major maintenance to drop

[00:22:43] Mine that sucks two blades and figure out what's going on with the idler pulley i'm gonna make

[00:22:48] Lori do ours cut your grass you mean no work on the mower are you really she worked on it last year while i was gone yeah because she had to because you were gone right but she did a great job so i'll just have her do it right here's youtube i'm gone exactly yeah i'd like to have

[00:23:05] Crystal cut the grass she likes to cut the grass but she doesn't have as much time like evening wise as i do oh yeah she works late and stuff so and not gonna lie she takes like twice as long to cut

[00:23:18] And so i'm i'm terrible like i look at that as well airplane money but that well i see no i mean not really but yeah because it it ends up i think when i cut i figured out it ends up costing us about 15 bucks for me to cut our grass each time we do it it costs twice for her to do it because yes it takes her she just moseys it's so fun to watch it like she just gets into his own she's happy and i'm like as fast as this thing will go that's how i cut the whole time and i'm done

[00:23:48] My wife's not even allowed to touch the tractor last time she drew she plowed into the side of the garage with it it backfired it hit so hard oh it's hydrostatic she doesn't quite understand

[00:24:02] Is it pedal operator they got it's got the lever yeah yeah our neighbor had the i'm trying to think it might have been an old old 8n like not the one i have but one that he had before i had that one and his wife was driving it for the first time so she'd never driven a tractor and this is a clutch an old clutch tractor which tractors are made to give more throttle when it needs more power so it doesn't die if you're pulling a plow or something like that and so she was driving it

[00:24:33] I think the first time she ever drove it and didn't know how to stop and went into their barn oh geez which bigger tractor that doesn't just die when that happens so she's sitting there and the wheels are just spinning on the concrete on the concrete and the front of the tractors on the back of the barn and just she didn't know how to shut it off it's a wonder it didn't go through the barn lucky yeah but yeah i remember that was a fun fun story anyway all right shall we get into some of these listener questions i think or do you have any other updates oh i did want to do one

[00:25:08] Thing it's time for rc plane labs tool of the week the straight edge oh yeah i mean it's very simple and

[00:25:19] The reason that brought this up is i've been needing one longer than my foot one for a long time and i finally ended up going when we were doing the the bathroom stuff went to menards and bought a three foot and a four foot straight edge and i was like oh this is perfect dual purpose so now that's one of my tools for down here but i really like the the one i got i don't even know what it is but it's it's a four foot straight edge but it's kind of like it's an ex hold on let me try and say that again it's an extrusion to where it's got a like an angled front to where you can put your

[00:25:53] Hands behind it and your hands are safe oh yeah to where if you don't slice your fingertips you don't slide your fingertips off nice and then it's got a anti-slip part on the bottom so it'll hold

[00:26:06] Yeah what you're cutting too which is kind of nice nice that is nice i'm i feel like i'm due for a new one like i have a steel one three footer and an aluminum one and then aluminum one's nice because it's lightweight i can fling it around yeah yeah but but my steel one is pretty rough shape i'm i feel like i'm due for a new one maybe i'll go look at what you've gotten yeah

[00:26:28] Remind me before you leave which we're both going to forget but yes it's upstairs and i don't think

[00:26:33] It was more than 15 bucks okay so it's a yeah i use i use this so i've got a foot long also steel straight edge and i use those things all the time yeah and the one i like the best i have several actually the one i like the best has both sae and metric on it so you just flip it over if you need metric or vice versa so i use them all the time and i also prefer the ones that start

[00:26:59] With zero at the edge not that i know i what i own has got that little bump on the edge and

[00:27:05] I have to take that into account a little eighth inch or whatever right exactly rounded corner or they

[00:27:09] Don't count that yeah that's annoying that is annoying so i like to be able to bump it up to against whatever i'm trying to measure from and that's zero yeah exactly and that's how it should

[00:27:17] Be yeah and you can find them they're out there you just have to be mindful of that when you're shopping for them so yeah but a lot of times like for the longer ones i don't really care to use that for measuring it's more i just need to cut something straight yep so that's perfect for that i think so

[00:27:33] Now with although i do i'm sorry i do use the long one to align stabs so i do use it for i'm going to air quote measuring at that point but that's really just more to make sure one side matches the other regardless of what the actual measurement is so so i do want marks on it is what i'm saying yeah

[00:27:51] But i think now so that i have the three foot and four foot i also have a one foot and a six inch the six inch one is actually pretty handy more handy than i would have thought i use that a lot probably more than a foot long one to be honest with you okay so anyway that's the straight edge straight of the week simple what do you got dave

[00:28:10] I like straight edges what do you use i've got a one foot and an 18 inch steel rule with the cork back and those work nice nice and they well the one footer used to have markings on it it doesn't anymore it now has a piece of sandpaper on it makes a nice

[00:28:28] Oh a sanding stick yeah yeah i like the i like the ones with the cork back yeah because i've got one of those as well kind of does what you were talking about doesn't slip yeah and then i've got

[00:28:39] A few pieces of steel banding that i use and those are nice because they're flexible so you can run them around a wing nice it's kind of cool and the steel banding seems to be pretty straight i'm not sure it's laser straight but it's close enough yeah and durable since it's you're not gonna break it

[00:28:55] Yeah you can't cut into it with your knife either yeah like you can aluminum gotta be careful with

[00:29:00] That yeah so yeah are we ready i think so oh geez i started to say tools listener questions so

[00:29:10] We've got several of these yeah it's been a while since we've done some listener questions been a long

[00:29:14] Time since we've done some i was reading through these and like a few of these some of them sound familiar yeah i don't remember if we actually talked about them on an episode or if we just looked at

[00:29:23] These so many times planning on doing it i think that's really more what it is because i i don't

[00:29:27] Remember covering any of these so well if we did i'm going to apologize to everybody if we cover some of these again if we did hopefully our answers are the same i'm sure they will be but we'll a little faux pas yeah we'll see yeah who wants to go first you want me to read the first one yes please so from justin he says quick question what twin engine plane would you build if you had two os 50 sx engines i really don't care too much your scale looks just good flying sporty twin thanks

[00:29:56] Love y'all's show well shall we answer this all together because i think we all have the same

[00:30:00] Opinion it's all the same answer on the count of three one two three dualist i almost said something

[00:30:06] Different just to be weird but yeah the the the pika dualist from dave platt i mean it's it's easy to build we all well ron and i built one you went electric i went nitro a pair of those 50 sx would make that thing scream yeah so i built three wings it's it's great you can yeah you can

[00:30:31] Build a straight wing without an adjuster jig but yeah well and so here's a good thing too i guess if you decide to build a dualist for these or for your engines we have build log on the website that's right you can go through and follow through and see what i messed up on well you can see the

[00:30:53] Differences too the difference between what you did and i did and i went all out and went with three tracks and tuned pipes and you kind of went the opposite end went with electric for simplicity

[00:31:04] And it flies awesome actually not for simplicity it's because i like electric better

[00:31:09] Because they are simple it is yeah you just turn them on you don't have to tune or anything like

[00:31:13] That yeah so you could say that's simpler right and then i also went with a tail dragger design

[00:31:18] That's right which i like that better too which is also simpler than the tricycle retractable gear

[00:31:23] That i went with and lighter and much lighter what sucks though yours was faster

[00:31:29] By a couple of mile an hour like it wasn't much no and honestly if i really wanted to tune it and try to figure it out we could probably have a better race i think so because i could get more

[00:31:40] Out of mine too i think yeah i could probably get more out of mine though you could get more

[00:31:46] More out of yours more more out of mine i don't know maybe maybe later this summer that we should

[00:31:52] Revisit that yeah let's put that on mark that our things to do that we won't do all right so

[00:31:59] I'll go next this is from travis hello fellas i'm currently in the middle of episode 95 which has been great so far you guys definitely make my awful commute much better well thanks we appreciate that also he says episode 93 when you had dave and reggie on and you guys were just chopping it up a bit reflecting and basically having a field chat via the podcast was great i think the occasional episode with recent flight stories good banter and all that comes with it would be wonderful one

[00:32:31] Question i have as i'm charging batteries before you get to the question that's kind of what we've turned into so yeah that's well that was that was a lot of the feedback we got was people most it seemed like mostly just wanted to hear us make fun of each other so one question i have as i'm charging batteries so more aimed at ron i suppose correct how do you transport your batteries batteries to and from the field i have a charging bag for when i'm charging them in case that wasn't painfully obvious but also have a lipo safe bag that i typically store them in i only have 11

[00:33:02] Batteries at the moment and use only four with the plane i'm flying currently but i bring my bag with all batteries to the field because i'm new to electric and started with nitro so this is new territory can i just toss the batteries i'll be using in a bag and have at it or should they be transported in some sort of a lipo safe container thanks for any information love the show please don't ever quit don't ever don't ever quit so well we're not planning on quitting i'll i can answer that one we're not planning on quitting anytime soon i have no interest i'd keep showing

[00:33:35] Up there you go but as far as transporting your batteries ron so i have a few more than 11 batteries

[00:33:43] Not a lot but i have multiple storage bags that i carry them in or that i keep them in 3s 4s 2s i think 6s is what i have separate ones for each one to store them in when i'm going to the field i have another bag that i put whatever batteries i need in to take with me so they are

[00:34:05] Always in a lipo safe bag yeah i like to live on the edge i just throw the ones i need in my flight

[00:34:13] Bag and off we go now which is funny because you have actually had a problem with the lipo fire when you were at the the field granted it was when you were charging but still yeah i i think when

[00:34:24] They're just in static state they're pretty safe yeah the only thing i can see is if you're an accident and things happen so really ideally you should put them in some sort of lipo safe bag like i said

[00:34:40] They'll just like live on the edge yeah so me personally normally i fly with smaller batteries because most of my electric stuff is umx type size with the exception of the electro streak which is 3s 1500 or 2100 or whatever those are 22 maybe yeah so what i do is i i charge them at home while i'm getting ready to go to the field or the night before getting stuff ready on a ceramic plate so i don't actually charge them in a bag but i do have a kevlar bag that i will

[00:35:13] Take them to the field in so i will put the batteries that i'm planning on flying that day in that bag seal it up real nice and then put that in the car with the with the airplanes that's how i

[00:35:25] Take my batteries to the field see what you can see i'm sitting back here on the table what do you consider that like it's a bag it's a bag but it's it's got a shoulder strap on it and the whole thing the whole top unzips like three of the four sides like a lunchbox or something yeah what i like about that is first off they're cheap they're small i think they're 12 bucks a piece maybe 13 on amazon they're smaller so i don't keep every battery in it because my thought is if one battery goes bad they're all going to go bad if something happens inside of that case so i don't want three

[00:36:02] Four hundred dollar batteries three or four quantity one hundred dollar batteries right in a single case because if something happens they all go bad don't put all your eggs in one basket exactly that's a good don't put all your lipo batteries in one basket because that way so

[00:36:19] If you take three batteries to the field you take three bags no going to the field i will

[00:36:24] Have more oh but you're saying for storage but when i store them at home i prefer not to keep all of them in a single one yeah like i said just because of the chances if something does happen i'd rather lose a 12 bag than four hundred dollars worth of batteries yeah yeah no i get that makes

[00:36:42] Sense when i'm traveling i'm using more than two or three batteries i will throw them in my ammo cans and travel with more batteries in the ammo can well and for me putting them in bags like

[00:36:55] That is easier for transport you can just throw them over your shoulder it's got a handle on top it's easier to carry than trying to carry them and like the flat pack lipo safe charging bag thing yeah like i got yeah oh is that what you use yeah see it's just a big kevlar bag with a yeah with the

[00:37:13] Shut yep yeah for home i keep so i kind of do the same thing you do but i have a bat safe box which is a big white steel box that's insulated and all that has a picture of a bat like the animal on the top so i keep my all of my smaller pretty much 1300 and below i keep all of those in that and then my big batteries i keep in separate drawers of my refrigerator okay i have a refrigerator

[00:37:45] Downstairs that's just yeah for sodas and stuff like that and extra and that's where i keep my

[00:37:51] Larger lipos i used to do that but i don't anymore just out of laziness i mean honestly that because when i need a battery it's it's here as opposed to oh i see out in the garage yeah well

[00:38:02] My fridge is down in my shop area well and i should think because we have one down here too that i could use but honestly i don't think yeah i mean there's lots of lots of different ways to to skin

[00:38:12] The cat so to speak yeah i got two ammo ammo cans big batteries in one small batteries in the other

[00:38:17] One yeah and honestly like i keep all my 1s batteries and like the 150s and even the 500s for the ultrax and stuff i keep those in a plastic container because i mean i don't really think there's a big chance of any of those go on and if they do i'm still not out a ton of money right but i keep all of those in a little almost like a pencil case yeah like the kids have the the top open yeah just like that and then most of the time not always most of the time that gets put inside

[00:38:49] One of those lipo bags so yep that answered that question so there you go thanks travis for for that question dave you're up you can take the next one canny if i can get through this if you

[00:39:02] Want to if you don't want to from john hi guys i'm a late comer to your podcast and i've started at the beginning and listened to them in order up to episode 33 or so now which i am so sorry for the

[00:39:14] Early episodes john i know yeah i don't even listen to them because i just i cringe thinking

[00:39:19] About it thomas mentioned a couple times about joining balsa sheeting with tight bond or other alphidic resin glues and i'm just wondering if he's tried since he's so old school

[00:39:31] Not sure how to take that he's squirming in his chair or using sigment or ambroid type glues for this purpose instead i tend to use these glues anytime i'm joining wood pieces that will have an exposed glue joint on the finished surface of the airframe this glue comes closest to sanding at the same rate as balsa in my experience i still end up with raised glued lines if i use alphidic resin glues for the sheeting joints i'm really enjoying the podcast keep it up my only gripe is i get distracted by what you guys are talking about and don't get much work done

[00:40:04] On my build as i should thank you john understand that so to answer john's question no i have not ever used segment or ambroid i know what it is i used to fumes yeah and that's what i was going to say that's that's why i don't use it because they are pretty stinky we used to sell the stuff dave and i both used to work in hobby shops and we used to sell ambroid all the time today ambroid and segment both yeah and i was always put off by the smell you could just open your case it's like oh it's got the segment in it yeah so so no i've never used it but if it does

[00:40:39] Sand better than the than the aliphatic resin that i use maybe i should try it yeah it's worth

[00:40:46] A shot but i like the low odor me i don't see much difference myself yeah and i've never like i said

[00:40:52] I've never used this the segment or ambroid i don't know how much working time it gives you but i i'm comfortable with the amount of working time that tight bond or yellow carpenters and so much easier to get and it's easy to clean up too yeah water based so but no i may who knows maybe i'll

[00:41:09] Try it i'm gonna dig around somewhere i think i got a sig a ambroid somewhere probably half dried up

[00:41:16] Metal tube if it hasn't ate its way through the tube all right well thanks john maybe i will

[00:41:23] Try ambroid one day probably not i can't say let's be honest here it's stinky okay next one i'll read this one because it's very very short oh but this is a good one yeah ray says hey y'all there's a lot of y'alls i've noticed many people say that yeah it must be from the south maybe anyway hey y'all i need to upgrade my transmitter what would you suggest i'm using a dx6i now i love the show

[00:41:49] Thanks well ray i mean and not to be snarky but how much can you afford i mean that's really kind of what it boils down how much can you afford how long do you want to stay in the hobby and what are your goals are you gonna do you want to fly big crazy scale airplanes like war birds and stuff you're going to need more channels it's basically what do you need yeah yeah so i mean anything with a spectrum label on it that's that's more than a dx6i i think would be a solid choice

[00:42:19] I fly a nine i'd be happy with an eight but the nine is more capable yeah i was gonna say buy as

[00:42:26] Many channels as you can comfortably afford because it's always better to have more than you need i feel like especially for setting up things like dual aileron servos that that requires two channels not one right and if you get into big airplanes that use multiple servos on the same surface having that extra channel available to plug that extra servo and to allow you to match them as opposed to buying some aftermarket gizmo that you then have to put in your plane and carry

[00:42:55] Around well and with you like with your ix 12 you're able to separate all four of your aileron servos out on your beast yep so yeah it's always better to have more right i would i would say honestly eight would be the minimum ten would be happier and anything above that would just be

[00:43:12] Icing on the cake yep yeah yeah and the beast is a great example there's there's four aileron servos i have them plugged into four separate channels so i can and and you don't need an ix 12 to do this the nx series radios will do this as well probably maybe not as user-friendly like if you're used to the the nx or the dx programming you'll find it very comfortable to use but for me the ix was easy to program because it's touch screen i can see what i'm doing right on the screen but having

[00:43:45] The ability to to plug all four of those servos into separate channels and get them matched as far as throws and all that has has been wonderful yeah so yeah i i would i would agree with with what

[00:43:56] You're saying eight is kind of a minimum i i would say and if you think you're going to be in a hobby for a while and going to grow and expand spend the money now so you don't have to do it again later yeah i would agree with that i mean i've been through a lot of incremental upgrades upgrades yeah as i as i go through until i finally got the one that i'm going to stick with for hopefully ever and it would have been cheaper in the long run to do it just by going straight to what i have now which is the x20 but that technology didn't exist when you started

[00:44:32] That's true but it has been out for several years and it was out when i bought multiples of my

[00:44:39] Previous ones too yeah so i was happy with my dx8 for many many years until i started getting into these larger aerobatic type airplanes and i ran out of channels i mean or i would have run out of channels had i not on the eight yeah upgraded to the to 12 and that was just luck for me that that worked out but buy what you can afford and and more channels is better yeah that

[00:45:04] Would be and it's okay to to look at used i mean there's nothing wrong with you yeah mine was used or used transmitters so was my 12 12 yep when i bought it too so yeah i've had i've had no real

[00:45:14] Issues with it i mean especially with the newer radios that that you can download firmware updates and things like that that's really pretty handy like i haven't had to send my transmitter to horizon for any reason that that we couldn't solve right on the on the internet or on the website

[00:45:34] Yeah and that's like i don't i should know more about but i don't remember what the differences are with the or what the names are but when you get with spectrum radios the ones that end in the e

[00:45:45] I'm pretty sure the ones that end in the e just denote that they're a little less expensive and they don't have wi-fi or bluetooth built in oh okay that makes sense because the new nx70 that has the the white yeah and all that does not have wi-fi does not have okay so you update it with a cable big deal right well i mean let's be honest the wi-fi is kind of nice we are spoiled yes because we know ron doesn't like plugging things in i mean he's got a point he's got a very valid point and

[00:46:16] One of the things too that i'm spoiled with on the the ix20 se that i didn't think i was going to like but i really do like it has a camera built in for taking pictures of your airplane whereas beforehand i have to get my phone out take a picture share it via bluetooth well i would upload it to google drive and then download it on google drive on the oh it's much easier to share it via bluetooth well it's much easier to just take a picture with your transmitter yeah i get that anyway

[00:46:43] But anyway yeah buy buy what you can afford and and do yourself a favor and get as many channels as you can now so you're not upgrading later right spending money again it's better to have them and not

[00:46:54] Need them than need them and not have them yeah i've maxed a nine out multiple times or you could have used a ten no i've always been able to get away with the nine no no i'm not saying you couldn't couldn't get away with it right but i'm saying you would have been able to

[00:47:11] Expand and use a 10 channel or something like that right yeah right nine has gotten by but it would have been nice to have that extra channel or two yeah so there you go honestly the the best radio

[00:47:23] Right now that's not stupid expensive would probably be like the ix14

[00:47:29] Yeah but well that's still a fairly expensive radio i mean in the grand scheme of things that's

[00:47:34] And the but depends on what you're flying if you're well no i mean i get that but that's a

[00:47:39] Decent airplane cost right yeah so yeah but i mean you can get the nx20 for i think just a little bit more right a couple hundred bucks more i think and then you've got 20 channels as opposed to 14 yeah but i look at the nx as a not as nice of a radio well i mean nice is relative right so the nx20 it will not do as much the the it'll do as much programming as the ix will it's just not the interface isn't as nice like if you are if you're already used to dx style programming and when i say

[00:48:16] Dx style programming i'm talking about the scroll wheel and scrolling through the menus and stuff if you're already proficient at that the nx20 is a great option i think tommy's opinion though

[00:48:26] True so i would personally go with ix though only because having used it both the dx and the ix it's

[00:48:35] The ix is like so don't buy an ix if you ever plan on downgrading because you will not want to right but you won't have to once you're spoiled yeah you are spoiled for any other radio okay i think we beat that one up who's oh i guess i'm up all right this one's from mark he says what are some tips on ensuring a successful maiden flight what are the most critical things to look for so as not to crash a newly built airplane good question have someone

[00:49:06] Else look it over for you yeah having a set of eyes goes a long way for sure yep especially if it's

[00:49:11] Somebody that's experienced like maybe another club member or somebody that maybe has taught you to fly have that person look airplane over that's great advice well i had you look

[00:49:23] Over the jet before we started that up and one of the things you caught was the the plugs for the retracts one of them was plugged in backwards which was on purpose was correct but that is something but i did notice that you would notice on somebody else's airplane or somebody else should notice on yours when they're looking at it yeah but yes for some reason on that the main gear they were different than the nose gear yep and they were backwards so when i looked online it said just plug

[00:49:52] It in opposite yep and mark by the way on our website we do have a pre-flight checklist that we put together a while back yeah and that it kind of covers every every flight not specifically maidens but there's a lot of good information on that checklist yeah stuff to look at correct and i think

[00:50:13] Though for a before your maiden needs to be a little bit more in depth oh absolutely than a regular

[00:50:18] Pre-flight yeah go through it from nose to tail tighten every single screw check everything yep and

[00:50:24] He asks what are what are the most critical things to look for aileron direction that's that's number one that is that it seems to be that's the number one killer because you can fly with a with a cg kind of that's too far after too far forward you can get away with that a lot i don't want to say easier but you'll have land from that yeah ailerons backwards is usually not something you catch right away like if you take off with them reversed it's it's not

[00:50:56] Something that that connects in your brain to go backwards on the ailerons to try to save it you

[00:51:03] Can't do it no like i mean like because you if you see it start to roll left when you turn right you're automatically just you're going to give it more right which is going to make it roll left more and that's just i mean yeah by the time you realize what's going on close to the ground yeah before you realize what's going on it's usually upside down and on the ground yeah so yeah ailerons are

[00:51:23] Number one and then cg i would say is number two yeah and then they and then like these guys are saying nose to tail check every nut every bolt every screw every glue joint if you if you can especially if it's something that you didn't build like if you bought a yeah a new to you someone else put it together time well spent we cut daniel's big stick with no screws in the throttle servo oh my gosh really yeah they had vibrated out oh my goodness how did that not make an episode that's that's a good find actually yeah nothing worse than a stuck wide

[00:51:56] Open or even half throttle no doubt so yeah that's some of our sorry some of our suggestions make sure those ailerons are going the correct direction and and cg but then that goes along with

[00:52:09] An overall look of the airplane and then control throws make sure you set them per recommendations or

[00:52:17] In your experience yep yeah that's one thing i tend to not do as well as i should like yeah control throws or pre-flights oh pre-flights i do all the time i always run through make sure everything's moving right but control throws i always just kind of that looks about right

[00:52:34] Well but i mean to be fair to be to be fair you have enough experience to know what too much or not enough control i guess throw looks like for a given airframe i mean let's be honest you you've done well it depends well but i mean at a glance you can tell if something oh that's not nearly enough throw i'm gonna need more for at least for the first flight like looking up the the

[00:52:57] Glider stuff when i was setting up the tail on it i was really surprised by how little they had set for even their their max throw like so much so that when i because they gave you okay so for the just the elevator i don't remember what the actual numbers were but it gave you throw for low and throw for high which is normal to me the high looked so low i i actually set an extra high to where it's on a three position switch to actually give me some movement yeah but obviously

[00:53:31] They know what they're talking about so you would hope i hope to not have to use mine and it flies fine on low and and what i call medium now but we'll see yep so yeah if you have the specs for that

[00:53:44] Particular airframe yeah follow them follow them somebody figured them out exactly yeah they spend a these companies spend a lot of time on r and d when they're developing these airplanes hopefully

[00:53:56] So that they've got all the one that seems to be wrong is center of gravity a lot yeah i read that

[00:54:01] A lot that the cgs are way off yeah yeah and i wonder if that just has to do with the type of flying people like to do because the rearward cg will snap better it will be more responsive but for somebody that just wants to and i don't want that on my first flight true yeah so i don't know so there

[00:54:20] You go okay dave you're up what do i always get the long ones you want me to read it i know it's all right okay jerry says hi ron and dave and tom yeah i recently a month or so ago found your podcast and enjoy it very much i also met you and tom at last year's toledo show nice nice hello we'll be going back very soon well most of us ten days nine days something like that as i'm catching up on episodes i started listening to number 54 where the trimotor project was introduced oh god oh boy i didn't see

[00:54:55] Any additional shows about this project by scanning the episode descriptions during the episode there was discussion on how to achieve the corrugated aluminum finish i ran across youtube channel a while back from the rc twins and discovered a few planes with i think that's aluminum duct tape and how to make the corrugated look anyway if the project is still moving forward have a look i included the link to the episode the corrugated segment is around the 1620 mark good luck with the

[00:55:25] Project and keep the podcast going as it gives me something to listen to during my commute to and from

[00:55:30] Work cool well thanks for the kind words jerry as far as the telemaster is concerned trimotor i'm sorry trimotor we we still want to do it we still want to do it very badly but i think i can't speak for ron but for myself i think motivation is is is probably my biggest issue it's going to be such a big project and require a lot of balsa that we don't currently have in our position i think it's

[00:56:04] Time for that to stop being the excuse and we just need to move on and start like i'm serious like i i still want to do it very i do too a lot of things have shiny shiny this shiny that that have come in into our purview yeah that have derailed us yeah but that needs to be a winter project coming up very soon but we keep getting projects well we need to stop that with with this year of simplification hopefully selling stuff less projects all that kind of stuff we should be good you're caught up at this point with i am like i so currently do not have anything on the table

[00:56:40] Except for your glider project well yeah but if we can get to that level of everything is completed by fall slash winter yeah that might be something we at least start on yeah i mean it's gonna be a big

[00:56:55] Project there's no reason we shouldn't big rewards to it yeah huge rewards i'm gonna learn 44 inches right yeah but anyway regarding the the youtube i have not watched it that from rc twins but i will actually because yeah we're looking for we're still we're still kind of

[00:57:17] Brainstorming on how we were going to make that that corrugation yeah we had toyed with the idea of doing some vacuum forming and some styrene angle so yeah i will definitely check it out that's on our 10-year to-do list right well hopefully it doesn't take that long i mean at that point you're

[00:57:39] Getting into soft with camel project or i forgot about that mine's still in the box so you're at

[00:57:45] Least further ahead than mine true so much for everything being on your bench so next one i've been listening on and off for a while now and really enjoy the information you guys put out as i progress and learn or learn more about the hobby i got my dad back into the hobby in 2019 as a way for he and i to spend time together and he and my grant or as he and my grandfather did back in the 80s my grandfather passed away in 2016 and since we have been flying and putting together a few our planes we have reminisced and shared so many stories about my grandfather it has been a great

[00:58:20] Hobby for me and my father sorry it's been a great hobby for my father and i to spend time together we have landed home so we fly oh my god it's almost like i need my glasses for this but now i can't we have landed home to fly so we started on a simulator and umx planes we now have progressed a little and joined a local club to gain more knowledge cool we enjoy the foam planes from 42 to 60 inches and have a few our planes that we are trying to transition to we still mostly fly with

[00:58:51] An option to flip on the safe switch if need be my question for you is how or is about setting up expo and dual rates on my arf planes i like how i can calm down the planes that are way cooler than the plane i should be flying i am flying spectrum receivers and using a dx8e transmitter thanks again for all your content that you guys put out brian wow i ruined that one but thanks brian the gist of it yeah expo and dual rates i don't know how to set those up on a dx8e but i think it's the same

[00:59:25] As any dx it's dx series programming it's not hard yep scroll and click yeah if it has a scroll wheel

[00:59:34] Like like the other dx8s which i'm i think it does i i don't i'm not familiar with the dx8e i would assume it does but yeah you you can actually so the scroll wheel is it it scrolls and you can also push it to to select whatever it is you have highlighted in your menu so yeah click and scroll however you get to the dual rate menu it sounds like it sounds like he kind of already has the basics so i like to start with about like if it's let's say rudder i'll try to

[01:00:06] Start with about 30 percent of expo positive or negative i i can never remember which i think it's positive current spectrum series are positive okay so that softens it up around the centers so you're not over controlling with small stick movements but yeah the the larger the percentage the the more calm air quotes again it'll be around center yeah dens the center of the stick yep and there's too much there's such a thing as too much of a good thing yeah reggie found that out yeah 70 70 is not an ideal number yeah and now there are times when you probably could use

[01:00:44] 70 as a real number yeah just not in this situation right depending on the plane depending on the plane

[01:00:49] And the type of flying you're you're doing but yeah and then dual rates always just follow manufacturers yeah yeah spectrum and e-flight and hangar nine and they all do a really really good job especially on the on the bind and fly stuff they do a really good job of either giving you the programming yeah that you can download and plug into your transmitter or in their instructions they tell you what to set this dual rate at what to set that dual rate out and and

[01:01:17] If you're using triple rates because oftentimes they don't give you those numbers right i usually just

[01:01:21] Pick something in the middle in the middle yeah yeah put it on a three position switch because and the dx8e i'm pretty sure you can assign those switches to to whatever you want to control i myself i put all my dual rates on one switch so you put it on a flight mode switch or

[01:01:36] I use flight modes yeah okay and i always split mine so what do you mean split yours elevators on

[01:01:43] One switch rotor ailerons are on the other so you don't use flight modes i don't use flight mode switch and that's i think because i started out with radios that didn't have flight mode switches and i just never got into the habit of using them i've only just recently started to experiment with

[01:01:57] That and i like it so for example my ix12 i can well i can go up to like i don't think i've found a limit yet on how many flight modes you can actually program but on the beast for example i have five set up five flight modes really yeah so i'm not going to get into it but each flight mode is a specific type of flying so like flight mode one is like takeoff flight mode two is basically flight mode more flight mode one with less elevator so flight mode one for takeoff i want a little bit or

[01:02:33] Landing i want a little bit of a little bit more elevator control to control the flare especially at high alpha low speed because i like to do the three point landings like we talked about in the last episode so flight mode one has more elevator than flight mode two but everything else is the same flight mode three would be like a would be like mid rates flight mode four is high rates flight mode five is high rates minus a little bit of rudder that just seems way too complicated that's a lot of work

[01:03:04] Yeah yeah i do like to split in case in point on this one is my f-105 the aileron rates listed were way too sensitive okay but the elevator was unsensitive oh i got you yeah so you can change them so i was able to knock the ailerons down to low rates and keep high rates for the elevator which in that airplane is a little weird in the fact that the ailerons and elevators are hooked together oh that's right they're mixed yeah so yeah i definitely need to separate those

[01:03:37] Yeah and and what it boils down to is personal preference yeah so i i like to have mine on one switch and dave likes to have his on separate switches on five switches six switches whatever no do you do what do you put your router on another switch too if i use a router rate it's on

[01:03:54] Another switch and it's a triple rate switch but i typically fly a hundred percent rudder all the

[01:03:59] Time yeah so do i like i've never put rudders on a i have the option to turn it down yeah i just

[01:04:05] Haven't found a need for it i guess i don't know typically i need a lot of rudder especially my world one stuff to just even get them to move around on the ground yeah yeah yeah and so i just get really used to flying high rate rudder i do have some expo in it sometimes if that's more aggressive rudder sure but typically i just leave it on high rates and never change there you

[01:04:26] Go okay yeah so that's a little bit about dual rates and how we all use them differently next oh

[01:04:35] Correct answer that's true there's not that is true all right so this one is from chris he says hello guys love the shows love youtube as well really enjoy the wealth of knowledge you guys share so attempting to sneak back into rc planes under the wife's nose incorporating the grandson in the good luck with that nice nice that's a good strategy it is use the kids yeah i grew up with my father and older brothers flying control line and then transitioned to rc so i found the

[01:05:06] Podcast after googling dualist mark 240 that's one of my favorites i had the kit but just found out it didn't make the make it to the new house oh boo but here i am i have a hanger 960 spitfire the hobby code twin star and already built the hanger 9 cub put the cub together with old analog servos tied to my old futaba setup question are the old analog servos compatible with digital receivers and transmitters it's actually a good question already sold on the trying to i'm sorry already sold on

[01:05:40] Trying to get cheap fr sky for the cub sooner or later and should i scrap my old setup also enjoy the great depth of detail you guys discuss on topics sometimes you go overboard but i'd rather have too much than too little i grew up during the early days without youtube i did too also tom bought my first sato fa 100 bk i'm assuming that's probably a gk golden knight for the spitfire to be built never could afford to buy as a kid but got one off ebay for 169 bucks it's pretty good

[01:06:14] Hope to put your carb tuning to the test especially not knowing the low carb setting tune existed until your video oh he's talking about the low speed needle it didn't even have existed so yeah there you go experience goes way up but yeah don't have to tune on control line venturis from back in the days jump just a high speed so i do think simplicity of electric engines will soon be in the near future yes to get easier flying hours in thanks your loyal listener chris from virginia all right chris so number one a really great question about analog

[01:06:47] Servos being compatible with new digital receivers and transmitters they absolutely are yes yeah i mean that's so much to the point that's almost all i fly right analog servos are still great servos they where they kind of shine is in sport airplanes where you're powering them with nickel metal or or low voltage applications i would say but you can still buy actually high voltage

[01:07:12] Analog servos they're out there so yeah analog versus digital just tells how it gets feedback in the servo itself it has nothing to do with the rest of the system right yeah the analogs just use a pot

[01:07:25] Yeah yeah so the reason i use analogs for the most part is i cannot stand to hear my servos sitting there chirping and whining sitting on the ground yeah yeah that is really annoying just drives me

[01:07:36] Absolutely batty and that's something that not all high voltage or i'm sorry digital servos do but most yeah when they're when they're idling they're constantly trying to find center that absolute perfect center and that noise is is what you hear the analog servos don't care so much they just find the center they and then anything that deflects them off in that that's five degrees yeah exactly but they are absolutely compatible there's no reason to and you can mix and match yeah absolutely yeah i think i've got mix and match on the dual list actually i went with spectrum digitals on

[01:08:12] Most of the services but i think my throttles are analog actually yeah just because i didn't want

[01:08:16] Them humming at idle yeah and at idle i mean idle position on the stick yeah yeah so right and digital does tend to use a little bit more power than analog yeah because they're constantly searching negligible but that's still something to to take into consideration yep so no you should not scrap your

[01:08:35] Old setup unless there's an issue with them or unless you're going high voltage analog you need to make well not just analog but you need to go high voltage with high voltage and by high voltage i mean anything above like two cells 6.6 volts or more yeah is probably going to be considered high

[01:08:54] Voltage and your old analog servos will not like that not at all yeah so the magic smoke genie

[01:09:01] They'll start to smell pretty quick yep yep so but yeah absolutely compatible don't don't throw them away they're still they're still useful oh look dave you get a short one

[01:09:17] Okay let's see here this is from tim i got an os 91 f s 91 surpass in a box with a bunch of other airplane stuff i'd like to use it but it feels like it has pretty low compression compared to the fs 48 that is also in the lot is it normal for a larger displacement engine and if not is it practically rebuild it well i got an osff 91 at an auction and it was definitely low compression and it was something just as simple as a stuck lifter valve or lifter stuck lifter yep which is

[01:09:48] Pretty pretty common don't don't freak out about low compression four strokes nope yeah so exactly

[01:09:56] What dave said probably if these engines have been sitting for a while the caster sort of gums up and whatever position the valves were in when it was put away if it's gummed up in those positions there's a good chance that the one of the valves is lifted off the seat and it's probably stuck there which lets the compression sneak by and feels like it has low compression even hardened chunks of

[01:10:20] Castor oil can hold the valve open yep so or a ring gets stuck not not uncommon at all for for

[01:10:28] Four strokes especially to feel like they're low on compression after they've been sitting for a while now to to address the other question the displacement of the engine it's been my experience that they because you're using a longer prop on a bigger engine you have more leverage you have more leverage so they they normally feel to me when they're fresh and they're they're they're right so to speak they always feel to me like they all have about the same amount of compression because they're smaller engine you have a smaller lever because you're using a smaller

[01:11:01] Prop so it feels like it's kicking back about the same as you would on a bigger engine with potentially more compression so which makes sense to me they all feel kind of about the same now there are tools out there you can use compression gauge dynamite used to make them which is a hobby hobby brand horizon hobby brand excuse me and you could measure the actual compression in psi pounds per square inch i don't know if that tool is available anymore and to be honest i never really

[01:11:34] I had one and i never really used it i used it constantly in the shop did you mostly on car

[01:11:40] Engines oh that makes sense yeah because they would lose pinch yeah they would lose pinch fast right you

[01:11:45] Know one lean run and they're done yeah but as far as airplane engines go size didn't really seem to matter to me they all feel like they have about the same compression and it's a relative term right it's how much resistance i'm feeling when i'm trying to pull it through a compression and as far

[01:12:02] As feasibility rebuilding if you actually do find something wrong as long as you can get parts it's not

[01:12:07] That big a deal yeah ebay is a good place for i found a lot of new old stock engine parts on ebay also forums rc groups flying giants there's a lot of them out there websites rc websites if you can't find what you need on ebay there's usually a guy like me that has that part in a drawer somewhere that doesn't mind selling it to you or even just mailing it to you if it's a

[01:12:34] Cheap part so typically just pull the valve cover spray some wd-40 down the tubes and if there's anything stuck it'll probably loosen it right up and heat and heat yep so there you go yeah if it's anywhere close just start it yeah that 99 pops them right back to life yep so there you go are we

[01:12:54] Ready to move on yeah next dylan asks what would you recommend for a first balsa electric a balsa nitro and balsa gas airplane for the intermediate pilot a three to five foot wingspan ish i'm looking for a kit to discover the balsa and nitro aspects of this hobby thanks a lot that's wow that's a that is

[01:13:15] An open-ended question yeah i mean there's three of us here you'll probably get 18 different opinions just from the three of us yeah so i'll start so for a balsa build looking for a kit to discover the balsa and nitro aspects of the hobby so something new that we talked about on the last episode old school model works their their kits are pretty good they just came out with something new called a polaris i believe an intermediate pilot could probably fly that pretty

[01:13:51] Successfully with a mild 42 stroke i'll say not a screaming 60 yeah i wouldn't put a piped 61 on this at least not for an intermediate pilot but this will give you the flavor of a balsa kit they that has been through the rnd it goes together well it's a laser cut yeah laser cut it goes should go together easily and it should also fly really well because it's a it's an existing design that they've sort of updated with the build techniques and designed for electric or glow so you could do both

[01:14:25] With this one yeah that would be my recommendation for for one of his his questions there so i

[01:14:32] Would say i don't know if you can get them right now but i know sig is working on moving and replenishing their stock on stuff but my first build was a sig cavalier and that is a great plane to build first very simple there's not a lot of difficult things to do on that one i would stick with that if you can if you can find one they're not very expensive either yeah yeah the

[01:15:00] Old school model works polaris is about 200 bucks i think the cavalier is probably somewhere around the 150 ish range probably i don't know maybe a little more nowadays but yeah yeah great great beginners kit the sig kit is more of a builder's kit i would call it because you actually have to cut and sand whereas the old school model works is probably a little bit less so

[01:15:21] I would think that one is more of a jigsaw puzzle yeah well you still have to do some sheeting and you

[01:15:30] Still have to round some leading edge type operations but yeah which is i mean really there

[01:15:34] Wasn't much on that cavalier that was difficult i think the worst part was probably shaping the leading

[01:15:39] Edge but you still had to cut some sticks to shape or to to length the length yeah stuff like that i think the old school model works is more like you were saying the tab and jig design or whatever you call

[01:15:49] It yeah so i don't know about gas though gas in that three to five foot's gonna be kind of hard because that is electric glow territory yeah my recommendation for a first-time builders kit for gasoline would be either a sig or a balsa usa quarter scale cub there you go yeah that's that's

[01:16:11] Quite a bit larger than the three to five speed wingspan but if you're wanting to get into gas i agree with dave those are great great platform for and the wide range of engines will fly those too including glow if you decide right but i mean like you could fly those probably with this the the cub anyway you could probably fly that with a 25 cc gasser probably yeah i fly mine with

[01:16:32] A g26 and it's yeah way more horsepower than it needs yeah and if you want to go crazy you could

[01:16:39] Clip the wing and put a 50 cc on it and have yourself an aerobatic airplane so yeah i'd say

[01:16:43] Actually i think already produces the the clipped wing version so you don't have to adjust anything

[01:16:47] There you go so there you go just a few of our suggestions but the suggestions are many i mean you could go so many different directions with those questions so sorry no that's i mean we could talk for hours just that's an episode unto itself right no i agree with that so but we all have our favorites and and don't just listen to us i mean get get input of local club members they may have great ideas and suggestions as well i agree all right next your turn oh i'm up okay so the

[01:17:20] Next one comes from daniel he says hi guys i am a fan of the podcast i was wondering if you could take up the topic on one of your podcasts of open tx transmitters i'm looking to get started in the hobby and was out checking out a local rc club in my area in florida hey i'm going to be there next week to get started i was expecting to find a lot of guys flying with spectrum but i found most using radio master tx 16 transmitters with open tx or newest versions with new edge tx

[01:17:53] A lot of the guys are saying they recommend going with open tx and in the future most said they switch from spectrum and would not look back and the price point is definitely appealing wondering what your guys thoughts are on this topic thanks well i'll be honest i'm i am not very familiar with open tx or the radio master transmitters i can certainly see the appeal based on the price yeah but but what limited experience and what limited reading i've done about

[01:18:25] Them was enough to turn me off of them just because i so i'm an old guy it's hard for me to learn new things and with the with the open tx it seems like you have to know or learn a lot about programming which is not something i'm me personally i'm not interested in doing so i'll probably stick with spectrum because i understand the programming and i don't need to write code to do to make the

[01:18:54] Transmitter do what i want it to do i mean ditto i i know spectrum i've used it forever are they more pricey sure sure they are but really in the grand scheme of things is it that big of a deal to me it's not some people it is like i i understand we're probably more engrossed in the hobby than a lot i won't say most but then probably i would say a lot yeah so spending the extra money once on a

[01:19:24] Transmitter that should last me honestly a long long time doesn't bother me yeah it seems to me

[01:19:33] From what i've seen that the open tx stuff is more of a regional or area situation where it's like everybody in this area either use a spectrum like it is up here because i don't know anybody up here that uses it i don't either or like in this guy's area it sounds like they're all using open tx stuff

[01:19:49] Yeah or even fr sky which is less it's kind of i would consider fr sky kind of in between open t or radio master and spectrum it's you pull it out of the box and it works you don't have to do the programming that you have to as i understand it anyway with the open yeah we're talking out of our butts because even even with the popularity of fr sky stuff i don't see any of that in our field like so the regional thing makes a lot of sense like what you're saying dave yeah i mean that just

[01:20:19] Seems to be the experience i'm running across talking to people from different areas it seems like it's a regional thing this is like whatever people use in your area is what you use right it's like for the longest time it was futaba around here and then it switched to jr then yep and i

[01:20:32] Haven't seen either of those at all locally yeah i mean futaba obviously is still in business and futaba is dead around here they still have a faithful following but not here we don't even want to talk about airtronics yeah and apparently they still make radios i did not know that i thought they were done and out but i saw somebody post something on one of my forums not long ago he had a brand new airtronics something i was like very surprised because i thought they were out of the game but are

[01:21:00] They the ones out of germany what who's this is a very expensive jetty jet okay yeah that's that's good stuff too but yeah more so even than spectrum i think price wise but but yeah i like so i wish

[01:21:15] I wish daniel i wish we could talk more about it but like i said the the small amount of reading that i've done it was enough to turn me off of them so just because i i'm old and i'm i would be interested in knowing why why that the folks he's experienced here have gone away from spectrum and say they would not look back i wonder if that's price or because i i mean i've not had any issues

[01:21:43] At all with my spectrum stuff no and i like i understand if price is something that's important to you you can get a lot of transmitter oh yeah for a lot less money than you can with spectrum sure but there's a lot of you have to know stuff that i don't want to have to know does that make

[01:22:02] Yeah and let's be honest the younger generations they get that stuff in high school now they do they do stem stuff like as early i mean grade school even i feel so old so i mean for the younger generation it probably makes a lot of sense because they already have that sort of foundational knowledge yeah on programming and all the stem projects they probably work on in schools and that that we didn't well that i didn't i know dave and i didn't have when we were growing up so to be

[01:22:33] Able to pull something out of box and not have to have that knowledge is probably why will i

[01:22:39] Well anyway stick with spectrum yeah i mean i'd like to try it sometime but i need to clear off a lot of

[01:22:45] Projects my list first yeah i mean it seems like it would take yeah because because you would have to learn a lot of stuff i think probably that the younger folks and i'm assuming daniel's probably a

[01:22:55] Younger guy based on on his questions but i mean yeah so i i've seen somebody with the i think it was a tx16s is that what what was it oh gosh who did that last year at joan all bought that one of

[01:23:10] The rhode island guys i don't remember which one it was oh i can't remember which was it jimmy did jimmy buy one i think it was good i think it was jimmy well they'll correct us if we're wrong yeah

[01:23:21] But i mean that was a nice looking yeah it looked really really cool it seemed quality like holding it your hand it had a good feel to it yeah but like i said there's they for the price they seem to be really good radios i just don't want to have to learn them right which is weird because usually i'm all about that you are and that does surprise me slightly but your radio is really nice too so okay

[01:23:44] Okay sorry daniel wish i could tell you more oh there's a run and i are gonna cough this place up yeah thanks dave is the sick one but ron's doing all the coughing well i've got drainage too

[01:23:57] Sorry all right i'm gonna skip this one okay yeah we took that one out i think oh i missed that he wasn't listening he wasn't well that was one i didn't mean to print it's not an actual question yeah

[01:24:09] Those are potential subjects for future episodes hi ron tom and dave hey i'm on hey dave made it in

[01:24:17] This one i've been a fan of the podcast from the first episode thanks for all the effort it takes to continue such a great show well thank you very much this is from alvin by the way i've been an aero modeler since the late 80s and very much old school well welcome to the group balsa built planes with a nitro engine with a mix of composite turbine jets too which is fast becoming my favorite part of the hobby but recently i've been embracing the electric side of the hobby and one of my favorite current planes is the rc extra ng on 6s which is just an amazing

[01:24:50] Aircraft i've recently started to look at 3d printed planes and i came across a website called

[01:24:58] 3d lab 3d lab print thank you i would be interesting to hear your thoughts on 3d printed models as an option for producing planes at home i'm currently building their f86 saber and have most of the aircraft completed the quality is far better than i expected it's a big bird it's 70 inch span and i'm hoping to fly it on a 90 millimeter fan on 6s and i thought this might be a subject you may like to discuss on a broadcast as many modelers have access to or own a 3d printer

[01:25:29] Many thanks again alvin from it looks like the uk yeah that's our buddy alvin yeah

[01:25:35] That's okay it's 3d printing that's that's a question that it seems like it has a lot of

[01:25:42] Potential it does what i'm saying like completely 3d printed rc airplanes i mean it sounds like in theory it sounds like this would be a super cool way to produce your own airplanes and not have to spend the sometimes exorbitant amount on manufactured from someone else yeah so far i've not i've not seen a lot of successful 3d print 3d printed planes they seem to be somewhat

[01:26:18] Fragile fragile yeah fragile but i could be wrong maybe that maybe they've maybe the only stuff i see on the internet is the stuff you see crash because that's more interesting than seeing stuff fly successfully that could totally be the the case too but yeah so i've heard a lot about these

[01:26:34] Guys the 3d lab print i've there's a couple other companies out there too that that do a lot of design work and then you just buy the file then it's yours you print it you do whatever you want with it the idea is great but in actuality i don't know how well like the printer i have would be set up to do that because those have to be the printers have to be pretty exact i mean your tolerances are very very low and not only that but the the details like the printing is very fine like you have

[01:27:10] To be able to print thin tall things without any kind of what's where i'm looking for waviness or that's yeah so you you've got to have your printer dialed in a lot it would be cool to try sometime but like i said i just i don't know knowing the like what you print with the pla and even the there's some sort of oh what's it called like foam type pla that's that's lighter like a very lightweight stuff looks like it prints good looks like it would be fun to try sometime but they just they're

[01:27:47] Very flimsy they're they're not as stout for the amount of weight that it is it's like a balsa plane

[01:27:54] Or foam plane yeah and i've seen a great number of successes yeah but they all seem to be have the fragile factor right the slightest little mishandling and crack you can get some really cool shapes out of

[01:28:06] Them i mean like they're you can do a lot more with it than you can with a balsa airplane

[01:28:12] Easily because the computer does the work but yeah and this thing that that alvin is working on heck he may have it finished by now a 70 inch span f86 that's not a small no that's huge actually for 3d printed so for a 3d printed plane that's i mean i've not seen one that large yet yeah i'm a little

[01:28:31] Concerned about the power plant system in that so i i have it a free wing 80 millimeter f86 which is

[01:28:39] Under four foot oh so that's 48 inches on 80 millimeter and yeah i mean it flies flies nice yeah but the huge size difference on a 10 millimeter larger fan and only on six cells yeah i don't know if he's gonna have enough thrust it might be a lot of weight too yeah i might not be putting gear and all that kind of stuff yeah i mean it's just a shell maybe yeah if it's got retracts and i wonder how you finish those like you don't maybe just paint them print them in color like i don't

[01:29:13] Know once i've seen are mostly printed in color and people aren't doing anything with them huh

[01:29:18] Might be worth looking into a little bit more but yeah once again not high on my list because

[01:29:24] A lot of other stuff but yeah a lot of luck with his f86 yeah well maybe maybe he'll he'll hear this and provide us an update on his 70 inch f86 i would i would really be interested to see yeah send us pictures alvin see what it i mean it's gonna sound silly but see what it feels like like yeah does it feel fragile is it fragile i mean i i would like to that's intriguing to me but i i think it's a i mean for sure eventually we're gonna get there yeah i mean somebody recently is producing a

[01:30:01] 3d printed plane in the box you just buy i just saw it the other day and i can't hear what it was yeah it was a repop of one of flight test planes oh really somebody's 3d printing it i'll be darned

[01:30:13] Beats me interesting i'll have to dig that up for the next show cool yeah it's coming i mean eventually yeah it'll be they'll get it figured out they'll get the right material composition and the printing technique and they'll get all that sort of stuff figured out and i i can imagine a time where we will have a lot of options 3d printed yeah and as printers mature

[01:30:36] Yeah they'll get bigger they'll get cheaper they'll get easier to use yep yeah okay next thanks alvin thanks next paul says thanks for doing the show you're welcome can you someday explain glow to electric conversion with the badass power prop data aka weight or a sheesh aka weight of a plane and thrust numbers sorry if you did already i'd like to buy a go i'd like to buy a glow plane cheap

[01:31:08] At an auction and change it to electric have you guys discussed programming a radio for accidental motor turn on process lua scripts and quad guys do this okay so this is all you ron all i can say to make it easy is head over to the website under the electric motor page there is a section on converting nitro to gas we go over the number electric you mean sorry nitro to electric

[01:31:48] Yeah there's a section where we go over the numbers on what you want watts per pound i don't remember that right off hand depending on intermediate advanced all that kind of stuff 100 watts per pound whatever it's supposed to be like i said i don't have that memorized it's not as hard to do the conversion as you would think the biggest problem with doing it that i have found in like any airplane trying to go electric is space for battery and access for battery yeah when

[01:32:21] You buy a plane that was designed to be electric they have nice hatches for you to get to the battery easily which you don't have to have in a nitro plane because you just have a fuel dot so that's that's always been the thing that stopped me from doing conversions that i have thought about doing but as i kind of think through more and try and figure where do you put a hatch where do you do this where do you do that i shy away from it completely doable if you have the the knowledge to cut and reinforce and figure cg and all that kind of stuff but yeah it's it's definitely something that you can do

[01:32:57] I've made the sig cavalier electric that was easy because i was doing it from scratch so i was able to plan ahead it wasn't one that was finished already so i was able to put a hatch in where i wanted to as opposed to trying to retrofit something like i said doable check out the website it's the easiest thing to go look at it's all written out hopefully easy to understand and you can go from there yeah accidental motor turn on i don't know exactly what he's talking about other i'm other

[01:33:31] Than i'm assuming throttle cut that that was my assumption as well but throttle cut and take the prop off when you're working on it yeah when you're working on i always have the propeller off but when you're moving a plane around when you're taking it from the the table to the ground to get ready to take off and taxi and stuff i always have the power or the throttle cut throttle cut switch thank you on my right top switch and that's what i use yeah for everything even when i did nitro

[01:34:02] That was my throttle cut also yep me too and that's the one i use as well i've always got it set up so that when you drop the radio it's it would push it into the off position yeah so i have to push the switch away yeah so if i drop it or fumble it i'm gonna naturally gonna throw that switch into the safe

[01:34:21] Position i mean i mean i didn't i didn't use that that thought process when i set mine up but

[01:34:30] That's exactly how mine's because i fall over on a regular basis weebles wobble but they do fall down

[01:34:36] No i guess that's a good thought process for me when i am ready to fly and flying i like having all the switches back that way like gear throttle cut all that the switches are far away so if you

[01:34:50] Dropped yours it would turn it off as well yeah yeah oh that is right so why did i think of that one backwards i don't know well i do it the right way then yeah wow i think we all do it because i'm the same way i like flight mode normal are all switches up and back that's sort of so and then if

[01:35:09] I need something special let's pull out of context yeah exactly yep me too so there you go

[01:35:16] I'm pretty sure that's what he was asking about but thanks paul for if not send us an email and clarify yeah there you go next i think was that me okay this one from tony he says you guys famously have your charts and spreadsheets to track what you have but do any of you have a list of dream projects or air quotes bucket list projects excuse me my mentor while growing up in this hobby always said that his goal was to build and fly a model of every airplane he ever liked obvious oh my gosh

[01:35:50] Yeah that's oh well he goes on to say obviously an unobtainable goal but it was always an interesting concept to me he's an avid scale modeler so this really referred to a list of subjects to model intrigued i've always kept such a list at least to some extent currently exists as a pinterest page because it is very easy to add and remove items plus you can visually browse the list when i'm looking for inspiration oh that's a good idea but unlike him my list also includes many sport models and out of production kits that i have never built when i was younger that is a

[01:36:26] Really interesting idea actually it is i'm not sure if we would ever well i'm not sure if i would ever accomplish that because i pretty much like all airplanes that's my problem too and as you talked

[01:36:38] About before shiny you go from one thing to another to where you want this or you want that i'm kind of the same way there's a lot of airplanes that i have i guess you could say on the bucket list not officially written down but in my mind that i know i've liked and wanted that i have gotten and then just gotten rid of yeah so that that's a good that's a good question like do you guys keep a list of things you want to do i i don't it's spur of the moment because yeah like like you said shiny object

[01:37:11] My my bucket list probably changes exactly yeah exactly i i do have some by the way that i and i've said

[01:37:21] This before that i know if i see i am buying as long as they're not stupid expensive see i want another

[01:37:27] Anniversary edition goldberg cup okay i'm not going to spend 200 on a kit yeah i get it i happen

[01:37:36] To have one of those dave 199.99 but yeah i mean i think the only the only airplane that i am in on is the tri-motor that's one that's held my interest for so long yeah well because it has meaning to you

[01:37:55] Right sure that makes sense but i i can honestly say i don't i like all i like them all yeah so i mean if i if i kept a bucket list of all the airplanes i like and would like to build one of it would be all of them so i would never accomplish that goal yeah okay last one dave you good yeah

[01:38:19] I'm good the whole way this is the last one yeah yeah all right this is from mark are there resource guides for best places to buy rebuild parts for nitro engines and basic parts for older aircraft is there a good place to look for specs on older planes yeah it's called the internet wow snarky dave sorry about being snarky i got into flying and building last year and help with information on the swap meet planes i can afford would be helpful thanks mark that's actually a tough

[01:38:52] One because as i have found out if you don't know what you're looking for like exactly you don't know what to search yeah like i have had multiple planes that i have bought and even gotten rid of without

[01:39:06] Knowing what it was and that that can be kind of yeah it definitely helps to know what it is you're searching for like what what airplane it is that you're searching for a particular part for right or or specs i was gonna say if you if for example sig cougar you can probably type in sig cougar specs in google search bar and it'll probably be one of the first couple of hits that

[01:39:37] Come up yeah probably a link to sig's website so it really helps to know what airplane it is that

[01:39:43] You're that you're searching for sometimes i'll take and just pull up what i think it is and ask for images and start right that that's it or that's close but that's not it right well and here's the problem

[01:39:57] Too like if i sold my duelist and didn't tell anybody that was built off duelist plans right you would not guess really that that is a duelist probably not the the nacelles are different yeah they don't match what an actual duelist is right it's a tail dragger which is not a duelist and i took the the rear stab and changed the shape of it to what i liked better yeah so it doesn't fit that classic duelist lines even though right there wasn't a lot of changes but enough to make it look

[01:40:28] Like a different airplane right even though it was built to the plans otherwise my searches i find

[01:40:34] That having the exact wingspan helps a lot right well that's the other thing my wingspan is a little

[01:40:39] Bit different on that one because he wanted to be bigger i added an inch tip i think on each side to

[01:40:45] Make it bigger than tommy's well i would run 56 inches and if i found something that's very very close and it's 57 inches it's like yeah yeah that's probably it yeah it depends on i always leave a little leeway in there because people don't know how tape measures work right but yeah the other

[01:41:02] Part of the question or one other part is for parts for nitro engines like i said earlier in the episode ebay as long as what it is you're searching for ebay is is usually my number one go-to even if i don't buy the part on ebay i can usually the seller has the part number like the manufacturer's part number and then i can type that number into google and find other places to buy it normally cheaper than than ebay but ebay is a good resource if the engine manufacturer's still

[01:41:32] Around exactly hit their website oftentimes they have exploded parts diagrams yeah yeah and you can

[01:41:38] At least get a part number if they don't offer it anymore right exactly yeah so those are those are some some places you can try rc groups rc universe used to be a good one flying giants that's another good one the forums you ask i mean lots of people like me peruse those forums so usually if you ask a question in those forums about hey i've got this engine would anyone happen to know the part number for this particular part guys like me will normally answer correctly

[01:42:12] Yeah or or name that plane or yeah that's a good one too i've been part of several text groups where it just goes through anybody know what this is and a lot of times somebody knows somebody has an idea somebody somewhere owned one yeah yeah and if you buy it at the swap meet obviously ask who you bought it for or from if they know what it is if they don't as you're walking out if you see people that look like they've been in the hobby for a while hey do what this is talking about old guys like i didn't want to say it that way but yes kind of just ask the question hey just got this any

[01:42:44] Clue what you think this is yeah it doesn't hurt to ask that's right so so there you go there's just

[01:42:50] A few of the resources that we use often because i buy a lot of old stuff more stuff from when you

[01:42:59] Started all right gentlemen that's another well there you go i think we're all caught up on

[01:43:05] Listener questions so if you've enjoyed this episode and you have questions feel free to send them our way and eventually in a couple years we'll answer them yeah it's been a while all right well anything

[01:43:19] Else are you ready to jump off of here oh i'm done i don't know that dave just handed this to me

[01:43:25] I don't know how i got a next one oh yeah this one wasn't in mine yes it was that was page two

[01:43:31] Of the one that we took out because it's all oh it's not questions ideas ideas cool no that's all i got okay well everybody thanks for i survived he did good deal that's all right everybody thanks

[01:43:44] For listening okay somebody else send it we're good oh well thanks for listening i'm tom

[01:43:52] I'm dave and i'm ron good night good night good night hope you enjoyed this episode of the rc

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