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[0:00] Hello everyone and welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I'm Ron. And I'm Dave. And it's just us. And it's just us. There's an empty chair. Tommy once again is gone, which he said, hopefully, this is the last time this year he will be away way away away away we couldn't quite get timing together to record before he left which it happens it's fine so here it is just dave and i again sitting here we need We need to have Tommy do like three or four episodes by himself.
[0:46] And then he can just take over and we get payback for all the times he's gone. Here you go. We're on vacation. See you. Bye. You run this one. So what's up? The heat. The heat. The heat. It dropped yesterday, but then the wind came or no, not yesterday. What day was it? It was Tuesday. Yeah. Tuesday. It was really breezy. Yeah. Tuesday. We had a meeting at the field. I'll talk about that in a little bit that,
[1:17] yeah. So when I went trying to think what it was like one o'clock in the afternoon, it was like 88, 89, something like that. It might have even hit 90 that day. I know. It was supposed to push 90. And then by the time I got to the field at, what time did I get there? It was right around 6. It was 71. Yeah. But windy and cloudy. Yeah, it looked like it was going to storm at any second. Yeah. But anyway, so there's some new stuff
[1:47] you found yeah we have a couple things that we can talk about this is going to be the shortest episode ever okay so the first thing i found this was actually released a few weeks ago and i believe they'll start issuing them or cutting having them released sometime this month. Excuse me. It's the old school Model Works Raven. It is a… Is that the EDF one? That's the EDF one. Yeah, that's the EDF. Okay. It's got the kind of looks like a hankle with the jet engine mounted on top
[2:22] or one of those Honda Sport jets. Yeah. It looks something like that. Really flat V-tail. Kind of cute, actually. Cute. It's cute. Yeah. Are you going to build one? I don't have room in one for my hangar right now. I'm up to my neck in Cubs, by the way. Tommy and I worked out a deal, and I got another Cub. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's what he gave me for the sailplane. Oh. Tommy and I worked out a deal and I got another cub. I didn't know that.
[2:45] Yeah, that's what he gave me for the sailplane. Oh, okay. So I now have two Goldberg cubs. So is this a kit or is this a built one? It's a kit. Oh, see, it's not an airplane yet then. It's just a box of sticks. I love opening the box and looking at it. It's so pretty. So that means it'll be put together before long knowing you. We're the winner. I got plans for it like what so the one i'm doing currently
[3:12] the rebuild that i got in toledo it is being covered in fabric as we speak the wing has got covered this week when i was able to work on it and it's going to be in the Navy any one gray scheme airship squadron I think 32. so it's gonna be a great plane or a great plane it's gray with gray and blue blue yeah and I figured I'd do the other one in the traditional L4 green scheme so I'd have one of each you already have an L4 though right I have the quarter scale L4 okay one of each.
[3:42] You already have an L4, though, right? I have the quarter-scale L4. Okay. You need two L4s, then. I'll make three L4s. Gosh. Wow. I was going to say technically. Technically. Two, but… Way more cubs than any one person needs. I don't… Well, I guess I do have that small one hanging up over there. You got that little L4. But that's the… Like, I would like to buy myself a quarter-scale cub sometime. I keep talking talking about it but i just never have come across the
[4:09] right one and honestly right now i don't have room you got nowhere to put it there i know they're a big box of hair they are big i know yeah the third scale doesn't let's not even talk about third scale the third scale doesn't let's not even talk about third scale anyway back to the raven it's a little edf with motor mounted on top what was it 60 millimeter i think it was i got my glasses on that i can't read was it 64 if i remember right am i wrong i should know sorry
[4:39] i should have had all this in my head before we got here 64 yes 64 millimeter yeah so that's a neat little one and it is 199.95 and it's a fairly good size airplane i believe it was around 48 49 inches something like that so that's not not bad that is good size especially for that size edf yeah that's probably even grass capable if you put the right size tire on it and then they're not retractable so you can put bush tires on it if
[5:08] you want yeah that was the one that was designed off of terry dunn's original foamy right yes yes okay terry dunn's vlj design or vjl very now v. Very light jet. I can't read. Years ago, it was published in Fly RC Magazine. It was a magazine I've never heard of. I've never heard of that one either. Must be a… See, I don't feel bad about not hearing about things because I'm relatively new.
[5:37] But if you don't know about it, then I figure it's probably more obscure than I would have any hope of knowing about. Yeah. Yeah, there was a few. There was a few oddball ones out there but yeah that is not one i'm familiar with anyway cute little airplane pretty reasonable price for a laser cut kit and they use quality hardware and i'm very very nice stuff from old school model works yeah if i had more time and more room that would be one that i would think
[6:05] about that's all laser cut i like laser cut yeah i bet it goes together pretty easy yeah and like i said it's cute kind of reminds me of a bdj too yeah the cores light yeah yeah a little bit like that although this has got a v-tail instead of a cruciform tail. Anyway, there's that. Why does that not sound right? BDJ. BD, aircraft, B-E-D-E. Yeah. And J is the jet. And then they had a prop version of it. So the BDJ is the jet mini plane. For some reason, that just does not sound right to me.
[6:41] But it is. Just doesn't make sense. Maybe I i i hear bdx so often for the rc version the ea the air sports makes yeah that i just i have the disconnect in my head for the full size but anyway go on and then while we're on the subject of old school model works they also this week just announced the dart the dart is a 30-inch airplane and it's a smaller version of their javelin which is a high wing sport aerobatic aircraft is it a like what are
[7:19] we propeller driven then propeller driven okay Okay. You can build one of these pretty reasonably as far as power package goes. I would think so. 30 inches is small. Small. Retail on that's $99.95. And once again, it looks like a really nice, small, throw-in-the-trunk, knock-around airplane if you don't want a foamy. Yeah. So this is a nice foamy alternative for just an everyday knock around plane yeah it's a good size yeah and once again fully laser cut
[7:51] nice looking stuff cool all right there's those two you got anything run no this is nothing new at all well i mean horizon i guess came out with their blade something something big helicopter today but 700 yeah class yeah there's some bucks yeah no doubt i didn't look at the price but i i you don't want to imagine i i i didn't either but i was talking to one of the guys about it and i think he said that it was supposed to be like 1500 for the kit or something
[8:22] like that and that doesn't include all the goodies. I think it does, actually, except for batteries. No batteries. But yeah. I mean, if you look at those things, they're so simple. It's just, I mean, like a couple plates that have, that hold like all the motors and stuff, and then just a tail boom with a couple skids on it. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing. Carbon fiber boom and… Pretty much.
[8:45] Yeah. with a couple skids on it yeah i mean there's nothing carbon fiber boom and pretty much yeah they i mean i'm not a helicopter guy obviously but they look like they fly good they look like they're like i will say that for that airplane yeah yeah so you see one flying person it's they're they're impressive they scare me but they're impressive yeah i'm not really into all that stuff that they do with them. I mean, it's fascinating to watch somebody do it, but it does nothing for me.
[9:10] Yeah. Like I said, it scares me because it's so erratic. And they do it so close to the crowds. That always bothers me. At least with an airplane, there's direction. Like, yeah, they can hover, they can do whatever, but there's still direction to an airplane. They're not going to sling all their parts in a 360 degree. True. I mean, part of it will go 360 degrees. But I had a rotor blade on a 30-size gasser back in the day. I had the blades kind of part in flight on me. Oh.
[9:40] And it launched the, at that time they had lead ballast in the blade to add weight to the blades. And it launched that lead ballast right past my head. I heard whoop, whoop, whoop as it went by. And it almost hit my dad. Oh. And that was just flying around not doing anything stupid and the blade exploded. I would assume that they're probably made better nowadays i would hope so a little stronger a little less prone to doing that but yeah i mean they go pretty quick tell you it
[10:12] was great to move a horse into the barn that didn't want to go i scared it oh yeah i could move horses i could actually i got pretty good at i could hurt the horses all over the pasture i could put them wherever i wanted them now that that's kind of neat. I can see that as being a useful tool. Yeah. I also blew the leaves down the driveway with it, but it was a lot of fun. I kind of miss it, but it's so out of date. I'd hate to fly it and break something because
[10:36] you're not going to get parts anymore. Well, you should get another like newer version of something then. I don't want to spend the money.'m cheap you are cheap my god i'm so cheap anyway anyway so switching gears over to hobby king they put a new airplane out for pre pre-orders it is the hobby king yak 11 steadfast reno racer okay. So it's taken a yak and converted it into a single seat. It's supposedly a full-scale aircraft.
[11:10] And it's done up in the scales paint scheme for the Steadfast Reno Racer. It's a good-looking airplane. It's a complete package. It's a six-cell bird. They say it's capable of an excess of 100 miles an hour. Nice. For a fairly good-sized airplane, that's moving along pretty good. I think it was 57 inches, I think I saw. And pricing, not too awful bad at $379. So is that plug-and-play then? That is plug-and-play. Aluminum retractable landing gear, serverless.
[11:46] All the stuff you come to expect is a normal yeah especially for something that size that price yeah it looks pretty slick let's see here we talked about a week or so ago the mfx racer so it's on for 139.99 and i don't know if those are available yet or they're still pre-order. I forget. That was one Tommy was talking about. Yeah. Or you and Tommy were talking about. Yeah, pretty quick. Nice looking airplane. It's configurable between 715 and 815 millimeter in the wingspan.
[12:18] It's got add-on wing tips you can add, I guess, to give you a little more wing area if you need it. Like extra lift or just like winglets or what they're they're bent up at the end sort of i don't know i think a little more stability okay and they also show the new paramotor v2 which is interesting for me i've got the older
[12:39] word yeah quite frankly there's very little change in it, from what I can tell. The big change is they went to a new chute that's supposedly stiffer, easier to launch, and a little more stable. Although, how much more stable do you want? I mean, yours is pretty stable. So, I can't. And maybe it's more wind-friendly. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. The big thing is it's supposed to be easier to launch. Those can be interesting to launch.
[13:06] And then they added a light bar to it, so it enhances your night flying capability. Okay. And as far as I can remember, they're the same price. It looks like they're $179, and I caught mine on sale for like $20 less, but I think that was pretty much the going rate for them. I mean, that's not terrible, I guess. I mean, I don't know how much it going rate for them. I mean, that's not terrible, I guess.
[13:30] I mean, I don't know how much it costs to make one of those canopies, but they're very intricate, and I think there will be a lot of labor that goes into them. I bought a spare chute for mine, and I think it was $30. Oh, that's not bad. I would have thought it to be more than that. Yeah, there's a lot of knots. I don't want to do it. No, no, it looks, yeah, it looks like it's a pain in the butt, to be honest. And that is all I've got for new stuff. Well, at least you had something.
[13:51] Good for you. Thank you. So, two kits. Oh, okay, so is that it? Are we done? No. Okay, good night. So you brought a little toy out that we got to play with. Now, this is another one I've got to think before I speak because I want to say Roku, but it's a Ruko remote ID module that you picked up on Amazon. Amazon for $35, $36, something like that. Not bad at all. Not bad. I said I wasn't going to buy one of these until they're like $30. Close enough. It's a
[14:26] rounding error. So yeah, it's close enough to 30 bucks. Tell us a little bit about it. What do you think? I think it's great if you have multiple aircraft and need to switch it around. So you only have to buy one of these things as long as you're not a part 107 pilot. If you are, you have to have an individual one for every aircraft, but you knew that if you're a 107 pilot that is true for our sport pilots though this can be moved around all over the place what do you say this thing
[14:51] is inch and a quarter by inch and a quarter oh if that maybe an inch by an inch yeah it's not big at all it weighs half an ounce it's self-powered the battery's supposed to run for five hours It weighs half an ounce. It's self-powered. The battery's supposed to run for five hours. Majority of the box is mounting stuff. They give you a bunch of Velcro, zip ties, a reusable zip tie. I don't know what else is all in there, and a charging cord for it.
[15:21] I like the fact that it's a really small light, and you can just move it around from plane to plane to plane. Literally, just as long as you've got Velcro mounted in your plane, you can just rip it out of one and stick it in the other one. Yeah. So we played around with it a little bit out here before we recorded. Luckily, it's a nice night with no wind, so we threw it on the slow ultra stick.
[15:41] I never really knew what slow meant for slow ultra stick but the the readings we were getting at full throttle level flight ended up being 25-ish miles an hour yeah and some change 25 to 30 but yeah mostly it was right around 25. yeah unfortunately it was reading in feet per second so we had to do a little bit of math yeah it's not a direct read and i so
[16:11] that would be nice if you could and that's that's software based on the phone app yeah which is a problem for me unfortunately well you're this is because i'm cheap this is the cheapness thing again it's time to upgrade your phone from what was that a samsung galaxy one six six close enough like it's not even double digits it's like nine years old what are they up to now 24. i think it's a 24. yeah so the instructions say that the program
[16:33] that you're supposed to download for it is supposed to work on android 6 and above i have android 7 in my phone it's up to date but when i go to take and download the program, the app store doesn't allow me to do so. It says this will not work on your phone and won't allow me to download it. So it's kind of a bummer. Have you thought about upgrading your phone? I don't want to pay a thousand dollars
[16:56] for a phone. You don't have to pay a thousand dollars for a phone. You can get like upgraded phones for a lot less than that. I'll have to think about it one of these days, but until this one dies again. That can be arranged. I just keep rebuilding it. I've put the third battery in the second screen. That's the point. It's time to move on. But I can rebuild it for $30. Anyway, but you can't do much on it. It's going to get worse as time goes on. I know it's going to get worse.
[17:25] They are keeping it up. I really expected by now they'd have shut this phone off, but they keep updating it. Like I said, I'm up to Android 7, which I think is the most current or close to it. I have no idea what's current, to be honest. I don't keep track on that stuff. When my stuff installs, it just installs, and I don't pay attention to any of that anymore i used to but i just i yeah i do notice especially when you're using your phone
[17:50] or whatever that mine is kind of laggy it's a little bit slower doing stuff well yeah it's from 2001 i'm comfortable with it oh that's true i mean operating system should be about the same yeah so if you get a new phone you'd be fine I know I promise we'll think so yeah so you brought it out said you couldn't do anything on your phone so we installed the app on my phone and stuff and we both flew a couple times and looked on the phone
[18:17] to see what it was doing and kind of explore compared it to the other program you had yeah so it works almost identically to that drone scanner which is what i had on my phone which when browsing the internet that seems to be the big one is drone scanner yeah i think it is i think that's the most common like the most well accepted one to use but i'm gonna be honest i it, I want to say, three or four times now.
[18:45] And it has all just been out here playing around to see how the remote ID works. Right. It's not, I mean, this just seems to be a lot of hoopla about things that don't affect us. Yeah. Fly to free, do all that stuff. You don't have to worry about any of this stuff really the only reason i got this is for a float plane if we take a plane out to the lake we're not going to be in a freya true and i'm trying not to sneeze try harder dave okay
[19:19] anyway so that's the only reason i bought it plus it was 30 bucks and hey let's take a look at it and see how it works yeah so i'm going to be honest it works identically to the the sky id or whatever that horizon has out and i think that one right now is 100 bucks 99.99 or something what it doesn't have though that i do like about horizons module. So they were smart and gave people a little bit of extra user options, I guess, to give you ground speed, give you all that kind of stuff
[19:54] on your transmitter through telemetry. Yeah. So that's nice that it does report back to that. Yeah. As long as you've got somebody that can stand there and read your transmitter for you while you're flying. It saves, like, top values and all that kind of stuff, too. So if you're not interested in current values, it stores highs, lows. It'll tell you your absolute height, absolute speed, all that kind of stuff, so you can see how high you flew, how fast you flew.
[20:23] I was at the field last weekend or whatever there was a guy there flying the mb339 talk about that in a little bit and he had the skyd mounted in his and was able to see that he like the top speed he got to was 154 miles an hour on it so i mean that's handy to don't or to know what that jet is capable of flying yeah it's just fun to know what you're doing yeah plus you you have the the telemetry logs and stuff where you can
[20:53] actually look at like where you flew the gps overlays and all that kind of stuff to give you an idea which i can see come in real handy if you're doing first person view. Yeah. Well, I mean, not only that, but it's nice sometimes to be able to put something like that on your airplane. And then even like with the one you have using a cell phone, it will map where you fly in live time, like on your cell phone. It doesn't store any of that information on the SkyID or your RUCO. R-U-C-O.
[21:33] But it will store it on your phone if you tell it to keep track, like to log it. So you have a… And then you have the overlay. So it's kind of neat to be able to see how far away am I flying? What am I… I enjoyed it. kind of neat to be able to see how far away am I flying? What am I? I enjoyed it. I was able to calibrate my eyeball. I think I'm flying at 100 feet, and I was off by, what, 10 feet? Yeah. Well, according to that.
[21:54] So it looked like it was pretty good and accurate, I should say, unlike where we were flying. So it was neat. Like if you flew to your right and a little bit behind your door you had to turn a little bit you could look over on the map and see oh that's actually that's exactly where i am and it shows where you're flying it will be interesting there's probably more stuff on there we didn't have time to find it's kind of limited
[22:17] because that's about all i get with the sky id through those apps too you're also going to be limited on distance like how far you actually get signal. I've never flown far away to see how far the Bluetooth signal actually travels. And I looked at this as far as legality goes. Apparently, if it transmits one foot, you're legal. Yeah. But nowhere does it say how far away you can pick this thing up. I've heard it can be up to 1,000 feet with Bluetooth 5. I think it was Bluetooth 5.
[22:48] But I don't know that for sure. That would be fun sometime to get a bigger airplane and fly it, like, farther away and see how far. Or we could take it and put a car or put it. Oh, that's true. Put it on a car. And just drive away from it. Yeah. Not a bad idea. Maybe you should turn it on and put it in your, or hold it out of your window as you drive away at night and be like, oh, I still see him. That's not a bad idea. Probably drop it. Although you'll be ground level,
[23:15] so there's going to be trees and stuff. Trees and stuff in the way. But yeah, it just, we can get a rough idea of how far it's going to work. We ought to have Reggie fly. Oh, yeah. That way we, because he'll fly. Actually, that would be a good idea to show him, like actually show him, look how far it's going to work we ought to have reggie fly oh yeah that way we because he'll fly actually that would be a good idea to show him like actually show him look how far away
[23:29] you are you're way too far mile and a half away yeah we'll lose signal then for sure that's the nice thing about the telemetry stuff on the sky id module because it's not reliant on the bluetooth transmission to send it back to your phone. It goes in the RF link. It goes, yeah, absolutely. So that's the other thing. But you're also paying three times as much. So you get what you pay for. You do? Yeah.
[23:54] I mean, honestly, if it wasn't for the extra on that, I don't think it's worth having one. Now, is that one self-powered like this one, or do you have to plug it in? Yeah, it gets plugged into the receiver, and that's how it gets the data link too. So it's powered off the receiver, and then it sends the data to the receiver. So this one in that regards is a little more convenient, just being able to rip it out and shove it in another airplane without plugging anything extra in.
[24:17] I know you don't like to plug stuff in. Yes, it is. Like, I like that idea, but I also look at that's one more battery I have to worry about keeping charged. Yeah, it took 20 minutes to charge it. But still, I mean, it's another thing that, oh, I got to charge this now. Not like we're going to do it often. No. But. This thing's going to hardly ever be used unless we're just playing with it, really. Yeah. And it's good to see what it does. Go on to the lake. Yeah.
[24:41] I'll probably end up throwing mine in the jet. The Sky ID one one the horizon one that way i know can play with it some more after i saw what this guy was doing with his and the data he was getting back i would like to play with that but i want to get more comfortable flying before i start worrying about extra things like that yeah well i can work in the
[25:01] background though you don't really have to think about it that is true that is very true so anyway that's the little ruko r-u-k-o i think this is a 111 r i think is what it is r111 sorry it was yeah that's fine but it's a cute little item and it's tiny tiny little box comes with everything you need comes with the charger cable charger cable zip ties several sets of velcro i don't know why you got so many sets of velcro but i'll probably say you
[25:30] can put it in each plane you only need well it's male and female you only need the one female and a bunch of males but true is that usbc is that yes it'sC. Oh, that's nice, too. And it comes with a cord, which is nice, because nothing I own is U-B-A-C. USB-C? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course it's not, because Samsung Galaxy S1. Oh, they're all USB-C now. No, now they are. Yeah. Your version is still, like, bugging. I use mini USB. Okay. No. Micro. Micro. Could it be micro? No. It isn't.
[26:15] Oh, what do you got? I can't see. What is this? That's my magnetic adapter. Oh, yeah. I think that's micro. It's been so long since I've seen one of those I'm kidding I still got like a bunch of stuff that takes that but anyway you got it back yeah I just had to figure out which way to flip it yeah so anything else on your end or no that's all we got there except for i brought the goblin oh yeah we weighed that that's heavy goblin's heavy you want to talk
[26:56] about that a little bit yeah so this is the strix goblin the full-size one not the nano goblin Goblin, the full-size one, not the Nano Goblin, from ReadyMadeRC. It looks like other places sell it as well, but this is the Crix Goblin. I just noticed it doesn't even have a rudder. No rudder, no horizontal tail. It's what they call a plank. It's not a flying wing. It's a tailless airplane. So there's not a lot of parts. We ended up weighing it.
[27:29] Now, I kind of went nuts on the power system. No. So I'm cheap, but I like high horsepower. I ended up putting a motor in it that's a little bit bigger than the recommended motor. It mounts in the tail on a plastic mount it's interesting how they do it I kind of like it yeah it's a modular plastic mount which I'm sure if you snap one you can easily 3d print one I had to file the holes just a little bit because the holes were just off just enough. I'm using a quad motor in it.
[28:08] A T-motor 90, I think is what's in it. And then I went with a 120-amp speed control. God, Mike. Okay. I didn't want it shutting down. Okay. Well, I bought a 100-amp speed control for my big Takano that, is five foot tall. So I'm underpowered. Yeah. Anyway, it's got 120 amp speed control in it, and it's set for six cells instead of the three or four cells, as the factory recommends. Right now, it's going to fold its wings the first time you go up on it, aren't you? No.
[28:43] It's stout. Yeah, okay. More worried about the aileron flying off than anything well you'll have to put your id module on there so we can find it oh there's nothing worth picking up but if that thing goes down at the speeds i think it's going to travel well the battery might be worthwhile i don don't know. Those are up front. They arrived first at the accident. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's severely overpowered. It's got a 6L setup in it. I'm using two 3S 2200s in a series in it.
[29:22] I can't wait to see this flight, by the way. It weighs two and a half pounds. That's nuts. And I threw it on the wattmeter last night for a quick blast, which it blasted my workroom door. It slammed my door, and it blew a picture off the wall in the hallway. I can imagine. Dogs were gone. So just a quick burst. I got 1,050 watts out of it. 1,050 watts on a two and a half pound airplane. That's a little over the like 150 watts per pound. A little bit. Yeah.
[29:55] Sustained, it was 915 watts at 40 amps. Okay. It's going to be interesting. I cannot wait. I bet it sounds like a bunch of pissed off bees yeah yeah it's it sounds cool it sounds like a formula one car oh man waiting for tommy to get back so he can throw it maybe next weekend then because ron's not allowed to throw anything i'm not
[30:20] what's funny though that takes me i wasn, I didn't even think about this. So we were at the field last weekend. Over in Monticello, I went Saturday to do some flying and stuff. And there was a guy there who asked me to hand launch his plane. Oh, little does he know. Sure. Way out of my comfort zone. But in my defense, it was one of the bigger versions of the Consendos. Oh, okay. Whatever that, I don't remember how big that is. They're like two meter or something. I don't.
[30:53] Yeah, something in that line. And it, I mean, it doesn't take anything, but just hold it up and pretty much it'll launch out of your hand. So I was comfortable doing that. Sort of like my E-Streak, huh? Yeah, exactly. but i hand launched something for somebody else good job and it it went well there was no crash he took it home in one piece he did i was very proud of myself yeah apparently this thing's a little difficult to launch
[31:16] you have to throw it hard according to the directions and you got to get your hand out of the way the propeller that's coming behind it it's pretty much tucked up there's a skeg in the way it's not it hangs lower than that, though. It does, but you'd have to work at getting your hand in there. Well, let me try. I'm sure I could. I'm sure you'll come up with it. And it's only swinging, what, 80,000 RPM or something stupid like that. Did you figure the actual RPM? I haven't figured RPM yet.
[31:41] I'll take it outside and throw a tack on it and see what we get. What KV is that motor grab it real quick i think it's a 13 or an 18. i can't see it's printed on the outside of the motor something else i had to do too is i had to change the canopy mounting system the little twist lock latch that was on it didn't look very promising for keeping the canopy long it's only 13 1300 so 1300 times 22. hold on i can do that really quick here we go mathematician
[32:15] no mathematician i am doing math on the phone 28 600 rpm that's not bad that's not bad that's swinging a seven six or seven five i can't remember what I put on there. I can't read that. So it's a 7-something. It should work. I can't wait. I'm looking forward to it. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. So anyway. Is that a pusher prop? No. So you just have it mounted backwards? No. I just got the motor turning
[32:46] backwards if it if you're looking at the back of the plane it turns clockwise yeah but the which keeps it turning in the correct direction well it does but the i'm i'm looking at the hold on Hold on. Yeah, I'm looking at the cut of the propeller, and it's going backwards. I might have mounted it backwards. I don't know. The curved side is the leading edge now. Hold on. I've done that a time or two, thrown them on there backwards when I went in a hurry. Let's take a look here.
[33:30] Not grabbing the aileron. There we go. That's turned the right way. It turns this way. It's like a tractor just put on the back. So the propeller still turns the same direction. And this is the curved section here. Okay. You had me go in there for a second. It's just because you're not used to it. Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that one out. You're not used to looking at the back of the prop. You're used to looking at it from this side.
[34:03] But I always thought the rounded side was towards the back and the more straight side of the propeller was the front. Not with this particular one. That's what's throwing me. It's more of a scimitar. Okay. You can actually feel the undercut on the back of the blade. Okay. I trust you. Sorry. That was not very good podcasting. Oh, yeah. I thought you caught me in something. I was hoping I did. We never get to catch Dave doing anything. I've been known to do it. Anyway. Okay.
[34:33] So what do you got? Well, like I said, I went out to the field last Saturday. Well, first off, I got my turbine waiver. That's all done and taken care of. Paperwork's dry. Paperwork is done. I don't have my new card mailed to me yet, but I have the turbine waiver. That's all done and taken care of. Paperwork's dry. Paperwork is done. I don't have my new card mailed to me yet, but I have the virtual card. Is it just the same one that just says turbine waiver on it or something? Yeah.
[34:52] Yeah, it tells you that it's turbine fixed for fixed wing. I don't have the turbine waiver for a helicopter, which I will never get. But, yeah, so I'm official. I am signed up for the jet meet the illini jets coming up in monticello in two weeks now i'm excited for that so fast we are all all set on that one i will meet my goal it's looking like of flying two years after i told reggie that we would do that looks good he. He's not going to, but I will. How many flights you got on it now?
[35:29] Nine is all. All right. Yeah. So I haven't flown it anymore since the day that I did the turbine waiver flights and all that stuff. Starting to get comfortable with it? Yeah, actually. It's a very good behaved or very well behaved airplane. And it's not nearly as scary. Like it's more exciting than scary for me. That's cool. So there's once I flew it like and landed the first time by myself, it just kind of takes your nerve down because now how to land it.
[36:01] Now how it behaves. It's not going to bite you. No. is now how to land it. Now how it behaves. Is that going to turn out and bite you? No. And like I said, if you stall it, it stalls flat. And then it just mushes. Just mushes, drops its nose. So if you stall it like in a 45-degree turn coming into your final, when it stalls, it just levels out. So it's a well-behaved airplane. I cannot say enough good things about it. A lot of good engineering went into it.
[36:25] It's a great beginner jet that I do hope to get a lot of flights on, but I know it's probably not going to happen that much just due to timing and all that kind of stuff. We'll get there. But at least this was the year of the jet. I can actually say I did it. I have it. It's flown. But anyway, so I went over last weekend. I really was not planning on staying very long, but then more people showed up and then somebody
[36:53] showed up with their MB339, which I didn't take mine. I just took a couple small EDFs. Somebody like said, showed up with their MB339. So I started talking to him.
[37:25] And somebody like said, showed up there and be 339. So I started talking to him. He was there to actually have his maiden and for him and his son to get his or get their turbine waivers signed off on. So I knew I couldn't leave at that point. I just figured, okay, well, I'm here all day now. I'm going to be watching this and seeing how all this goes. So it's good to, after I've been through it, it's still good because when you do it yourself, like for me especially, I can remember some of the stuff, but it's all just
[37:29] like, it's just a haze because it all happened so fast. There was a lot of people, a lot of talking, a lot of this, a lot of that. It's good to kind of have a refresher on watching somebody else go through it and kind of pick up on what you might have forgotten or what you might not have caught the first time. And also it was somebody else that was doing the teaching. So people have different things they tell you, different ways of doing things.
[37:56] That's why I always, when I teach my puppy classes, I always tell people if they want to take the class again with another instructor, it's great because we all teach differently. We all teach different things. Yeah. again with another instructor it's great because we all teach differently we all teach different things yeah yeah and that's you get you pick up on other things that you might not have picked
[38:10] up on the first time like i said with different people doing things differently there's no real right way for a lot of things there's best practices but it's okay to do things a little differently yeah do things your own way, I guess. So it was kind of neat to see that and see how somebody else taught him and how they kind of went through the setup and all that. He didn't set his up the exact same way that I had mine set up, like the actual electronics and all that.
[38:40] One thing that he didn't have that they strongly suggested that he put on was a filter before the turbine. Once again, talking to different people, he was told that it's okay to leave it off or leave the filter off of the actual fuel system inside the jet because, theoretically, your fuel filter that goes from your jug to your jets should catch everything. My glow stuff. I don't run a filter in my planes. I run, it's filtered three times before it gets in the tank.
[39:13] Well, after conversations with some people that were there that had been flying jets for years and years and years, you need a filter. Because things do get past that. And having a filter right before the turbine helps be like one final, wall of defense or one last area to catch things. So that was one thing they said for him to put on and do. So that was one thing they said for him to put on and do. His, once again, just different ways of doing things,
[39:51] like fuel valve and all that kind of stuff was set up a little bit different. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I think mine is a little easier to do than the way he had his set up. But once again, it's personal preference. However you want to do it is fine. Other than that, I think he had the same size engine he had the k85 in it and so they went through made sure everything
[40:12] was right he also has a synapse on his so they did the flights to get it all dialed in and stuff which that is so simple it's it's so simple that it seems like it's not done right. what I mean? There's got to be more to it than this. Right. That's kind of like after watching Allie do mine and stuff, it's like that really, like that's it? Like you had two flights and it was completely dialed in. And I mean, it flies great. Don't touch it.
[40:42] And especially like, older gyros and stuff that people talk about you always hear little gremlins or things that if you haven't done it before you wouldn't know but you need to do what kind of what i'm saying like little tips and tricks that as a beginner you wouldn't know to do the snaps doesn't have anything like that it is so straightforward and that's why like i said when i did it like when i did the setups my or the first
[41:11] time on my own i thought there had to have been something i was missing but it's easy it's quick so they got that all done on his jet and then they did a few more flights just to kind of make sure everything was copacetic did buddy box flights and all that kind of stuff to make sure he was okay and then it came time for his test the the dad did it he had no problems he flew his routine i guess you could say he flew that no problems
[41:42] then his son wanted to do it he's i want to say if i had to guess 17 18 something there so he was flying he he knows how to fly i mean so luckily it's not like he was a beginner completely to airplanes and stuff so as he was flying he was going through doing his aerobatic routine to show that how to handle it he went to do a loop and as soon as he had the nose pointing down probably 100 150 feetish in the air turbine just shuts
[42:13] off and now we have an air brake just completely i mean just nothing like he had he had nothing so luckily this airplane glides good enough has enough energy built into it to where he was able i mean luckily he did a great job he was able to come around put the gear down landed on the runway no problem but like we i i assumed at first that the turbine battery died. Because I think by that time it was the eighth flight they had on it. So they were pushing it pretty hard.
[42:52] Without charging the battery. And so that was kind of the working assumption we were all going with. They really weren't finding anything in the logs to say anything happened or anything like that. So that made me feel better. Like I figured, okay, he should have charged his batteries. I don't have to worry about it. It's, because we have the same setup and stuff. So when somebody has an issue, I want to make sure I don't. So long story short, then after we go through all that,
[43:22] I went back to the meeting and we were talking about it on Tuesday. And one of the guys, once again, that knows turbines very well, asked to see, like he still had the turbine log on his phone to where he could look at it. And he zoomed in really quick, and I't remember exactly what he what he said but there was a a drop in there was a drop in pressure before there was a drop in rpm so like fuel pump
[43:54] pressure so he said that tells you right there it was an air bubble it was not your battery so he had an air bubble which scares me more because that can happen to me. So an air bubble caused, and he said it had to have been a big one because I guess the smaller turbines like King Tex and stuff run through air bubbles a lot better than some of the other smaller, I guess, engines. But anyway, so then, of course, we got we got talking about what can cause them
[44:26] and all that stuff and one of the things that I found interesting that I did not know so like I said I do have that filter that is mounted right before the turbine they said you need to mount that to where the arrow on it which the arrow just shows direction for fuel flow but they said you need to mount that in the airplane to where the arrow is pointing up. Because if it is horizontal as opposed to being mounted vertical, when it's horizontal, any air that gets trapped.
[44:53] Trapped in the body. Will trap in the actual body of the filter. And then as soon as you go to change orientation of the airplane, all of that is let out as a bigger air bubble. It's like, oh, well, that makes sense too. So I never even thought about that. Mine is mounted horizontally, so I'm going to have to remount mine vertically before I fly it again. But once again, that's kind of the good practice kind of thing, like best practices that I would never have known that
[45:22] had you not just been talking to somebody in passing and we were talking about mounting things and all that. So conversations, you just have to have conversations with people. That's what you pick up. Yeah. And then the other thing at the meeting, I felt really bad. There was a family that came out. They had never been there before. They had an AeroScout. and I i'm so bad with ages i guess the kid was 12 or
[45:47] 13 years old give or take they were wanting to get somebody to look it over and maybe try and fly it it was so windy like it was 23 mile an hour winds even the as3x is going to have trouble with that and so it was like i was not comfortable flying somebody else's plane. And the kid didn't have Buddy Box set up. He just had the, the DXS, I think, or DX something like that. So I ended up, I did have my slow ultra stick that I had not flown because it was so windy.
[46:21] But I figured I'll get it set up, old Buddy Box. that I had not flown because it was so windy, but I figured I'll get it set up, I'll body box, I'll let the kid fly, just a little bit and see what he feels like, even though it's this windy. So I talked him through stuff and just let him know this is not ideal. You don't have to worry about anything. You're not going to crash. You're not going to be lying much with this. Right, but I said, you're not going to crash.
[46:39] You're not going to, if it gets out of control, I will take over. And I explained to him how it worked because, I mean, wireless buddy boxes are freaking awesome. So control, I will take over. And I explained to him how it worked because, I mean, wireless buddy boxes are freaking awesome. So nice. I absolutely love it. And what I like most about it is you flip it to give him control on the student transmitter. And then you just jiggle a switch. That's all.
[46:58] Like you don't even have to flip the switch back. If you touch any of your inputs, it automatically gives it back to you. And then it says says like it says instructor control so you have control and then the other person that you're training doesn't have to worry about it or they're not confused about it they they heard it but anyway so he went through many i mean several laps he was able to make laps around and stuff he
[47:21] did a good job but he was not comfortable with the amount of wind so we ended up landing and stuff so hopefully they will come back out when it's not so windy and we can get him flying his airplane get some nice flights in he said like flying around wasn't bad but was coming in for landings he wasn't sure how to do which that's the hardest part for somebody that does not fly airplanes honestly yeah it's the
[47:45] hardest part of period and so but yeah that was that meeting we were there for quite a while it was a lot of fun a lot of good times talking to guys and stuff and i also got to see the that the new hangar 9 ob10 in person the smaller 20cc version. It's still a big airplane. Yeah, that's a good size airplane. It's not small. It's big. Yeah. Looks good in person. I mean, it really does. I didn't get to see it fly because it was so windy out, but I like the scheme and stuff.
[48:20] I will have to say Cal Fire is not my favorite, but it still looks sharp. Yeah. Looks really good. The landing gear is beefier than i expected yeah it's pretty heavy dude yeah it really is so nice airplane maybe one day i'll find one used that's not so expensive i would like to see one in the marine corps desert scheme you should do that you should get one and i don't have that type of money because i need to buy a new phone Because I need to buy a new phone. Priorities, you are correct.
[48:49] Well, actually, that's all I've got. Anything else you want to talk about? Nope, it's been slow for me, just not being able to get out to the field flying because of the heat. And I've had some dog stuff I've had to do. Well, hopefully this weekend maybe we can get out as long as it's, well, not like this weekend, but the weekend after this. So this weekend I'm at the fairgrounds because we've the fair and i got dog stuff out there i forgot about that
[49:09] yeah and this is the last weekend before school starts yeah i'm not ready for that summer is over merriest time of the year it's going to be interesting piper is on the schedule of going to bed at midnight and sleeping till 10 or 11 in the morning. So you got time to fix that. We've been trying. It has not been working. Anyway. All right. Well, anything else, Dave? You good? I'm good. I wish we had more.
[49:38] We need to get into more technical stuff, but. It's been, it's just been busy. That's all I can say. These last couple of weeks have been a nightmare. Yeah. It's been it's just been busy that's all I can say these last couple weeks have been a nightmare yeah it's been every day there's been something going on not aircraft related right so we'll get there it'll be fine it's all going to be fine all right well I've got nothing else
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