Ep 36: We’re on Patreon! Ron built a third Duellist Wing, Vacuum Bagging the Wing, UMX Airplanes, and Listener Questions

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[00:00:35] Are your hosts, Ron and Tom. Hello everyone. Welcome to the RC Plane Lab podcast. I’m Ron and I’m Tom. First off, I want to go over a couple things, a couple house cleaning items. House cleaning:

[00:00:48] It’s housekeeping Ron. It’s housekeeping a couple housekeeping, oh my gosh. Wow, no, so that’s funny.

[00:00:57] Because my wife always uses the wrong terms for things and I tend to make fun of her for it. So now she can make fun of. Now she can make fun of you, yeah, like the favorite, one of my favorite things that she said was something she was wearing one of my shirts one time and she’s like this shirt is so big, it’s like I’m sleeping in it. It’s just sleeping in it. I was like what, what are you talking about? You mean that’s what I said. I said you mean swimming. Well, no, sleeping because you sleep in big shirts. I was like no, the saying is: is swimming because you swim in like a huge. Anyway, great, now she can make fun of me. Anyway, it’s housekeeping, housekeeping, a couple house housekeeping.

[00:01:34] Items, if you will. So, first off, we’ve had a lot of responses to the survey submitted since we brought it up a couple weeks ago. Thank you, thank you everyone who has filled it out, and shame on you.

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[00:02:07] Exactly so it’s. It’s important to get your feedback, but one of the common issues brought to our attention was the volume of our audio and how sometimes it can be difficult to make out what we’re saying, since we get quiet at times. Yes, Ron gets really quiet sometimes. No, I it’s, I know it’s.

[00:02:23] You because you just like at the end of your sentences you get so low and I do what I try to work on it. But so I tried a little trick tonight. We’ll see what that does. Yeah, he turned down his.

[00:02:35] Hearing so he couldn’t hear as well so it might make him talk louder. Well, so if he says what a lot to me, we I guess know why. No, but anyway, so last week, starting with last week’s show, we revamped our audio processing in the hopes of making the podcast easier to hear and understand and I’m hoping that helps. But really what that means is I clicked a couple other buttons in the software I use to finalize our shows. I’m not an audio engineer so I we’re trying to figure out as we go along, but I really don’t understand all the settings and filters and levels and everything.

[00:03:09] Else. That goes into producing like a high quality audio. Yeah, and really, and Tom and I don’t know what we sound like on each device you guys use to listen to us, right? So, once again, the changes we made and all that feedback is important and we appreciate it when we get it. Yeah, we may.

[00:03:24] We may sound different on a cell phone as opposed to your computer or whatever, or an actual stereo with some bass in it, exactly whatever you might be listening to us with. So

[00:03:34] Yeah, so we also cover all the bases. It is so. We also have some other things that we’re working on. Thanks to the survey responses, one of those things has already been shared with our friends that have signed up for our email list. We don’t send many emails, but we do share information via the email before it makes it to the, to the podcast, right? So if you’re not already signed up for our email list and you want to be the first to hear about our new and exciting things, we’re up to head over to the website and sign up for the email list. Please do that. Yes, the more.

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[00:04:54] That we have started a patreon page. Patreon- if you’re not familiar with what patreon is or what it does, it’s a service that allows you guys to support us by making monthly contributions of money.

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[00:05:24] Keep it going. I like the way you said that. So we decided to do this because Tom and I have some ideas of things we want to do in the future to grow the RC Plane Lab empire, but it takes money. Normally with patreon, we’re supposed to set up different tiers and different price points and give extra episodes or more content to our patrons. I listen to a lot of podcasts and watch a lot of youtube channels that do it that way and, to be honest, neither Tom nor I really are huge fans of holding stuff hostage unless you pay for it. Yeah, not at all. So I don’t want to hold back any of our shows, and neither does Tom right- or any of the stuff that we talk about, because I know there.

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[00:07:35] Slash rcplanelab. Yeah, so Ron and I talked about this and I just want to reassure all of our listeners and we had a very lengthy conversation about it. It’s it’s not about us like buying cool new toys for us to play with it. It really is about us investing, really investing, in the podcast. Like there’s some stuff we want to do, maybe, maybe get into doing some youtube video type stuff, and that stuff costs money and it’s going to be stuff that we’re gonna have to buy to accomplish. And this is just one way you guys can support us by helping us do more cool things.

[00:08:09] In the future to entertain you, which is why we’re here. Yeah, we, we have monthly.

[00:08:14] Recurring fees that we pay for the website, the hosting of the podcast and all that stuff, and it adds up pretty quickly, sure, so don’t feel obligated. Right, if you want to perfect, and, like I said, if not, that’s great listen, we want you to listen anyway, yeah, absolutely. But yeah, if you’re in a place where you can help us out a little bit, we would greatly appreciate it. Yep, absolutely. But

[00:08:36] Yeah, no, new toys for us? No, no, we have. Well, we have more stuff that we know like. Really, we’ve put so much on our own plates now that I don’t think new airplanes are really on the horizon anyway. No,

[00:08:47] I agree with that, but honestly we do need to get like a studio set up. We need to do or we do.

[00:08:52] Need to get lighting. We need to get all that kind of stuff you don’t like recording here in your basement. I love recording here in my basement and, by the way, I’m not bundled up tonight. That’s because.

[00:09:01] It’s not that hot or cold. Cold, yeah, because it’s not that cold, or whatever. No, I’m quite comfortable.

[00:09:09] Tonight. Thank you, I appreciate you jacking the heat up for me, or maybe not jacking the cold down. You appreciate me doing what I. I appreciate you not making it cold, to the point.

[00:09:21] Where I need to be bundled up down here, okay, anyway. Anyway, enough housekeeping. So on to the next topic I want to talk about- okay, let’s talk about it- my duelist wing- yeah, the third, it looks.

[00:09:38] Fantastic, the third wing, though I’ve made three wings. Yeah, I know a few hiccups along the way. Well,

[00:09:45] It’s been a learning experience and it’s it’s gone well, like I’m happy you’ve learned that’s.

[00:09:49] Happened, you’ve learned a lot. Yeah, they say you have to pay for schooling, and I guess that’s one.

[00:09:55] Way to do it. But no, so I vacuum bagged the wings. Am I saying that right? I vacuum, I want- yeah, keep wanting to say vacuum form, but I know that’s not right. I vacuum, bagged the, bagged it and applied vacuum. So it actually worked really, really well. I was really very impressed with it. I changed okay, so the vacuum I had. I had it said a little bit too high last time and I did smash the very

[00:10:19] First wing that I tried it on. Well, smashed is such a general term. I mean, you didn’t really smash the

[00:10:25] Sheared. You broke a couple of ribs, oh, about seven. Okay, so all together, but yeah, so I moved on, right, but anyway, so I changed it down to where it would cut off at five inches of what? No, five inches of mercury. Is that how I? I don’t know what that means, I just know it’s a number on the gauge. The higher the number, the more vacuum. That makes sense, but I don’t know what that actually like equates to, like psi. I understand that’s pounds per square inch. Yeah, I don’t know what inches of.

[00:10:55] Mercury means- yeah, I thought, maybe you tell me so, apparently you don’t know. A perfect vacuum would what be zero? No, 30, 30, 30 inches of mercury is a perfect vacuum. I think right, but that would be zero pounds per square inch. Would you agree with that? I, I don’t know. Okay, is it? I think so. I mean, is that how that works if you have zero pounds? Because I guess, yeah, we’re under pressure now, yes, there was absolutely yeah, because there’s an entire column of air weighing down on you. That is the shape.

[00:11:26] Of your cross section. Okay, which is why water boils exactly at a lower temperature the higher you go, because there’s less pressure. So sure, a perfect vacuum, I would assume, is zero psi. So I mean you.

[00:11:39] Know, do the math. There’s math in there somewhere, I think. I don’t know anywho, that was boring.

[00:11:46] But I got the wing bag, learned absolutely nothing from that exchange, more confused than anything, probably. But I got the way and I said wing bagging and I got the vacuum done on the wing and I said it like I said: five inches of mercury. I did like I was concerned about that at first because I didn’t want to break that wing, and then I remembered: well, this is my third wing, I still have a second wing that I can test. Well, plus, this wing has all of the spars in it. Yeah, and the second wing did too. Oh, because I had put them all in and that’s what bent them. But you didn’t.

[00:12:19] Vacuum bag. That one I did as a test. Oh, I didn’t know that. Yeah, I did. So I put that one in the bag at first to see if it would break, okay, and I got it up to 14 inches of mercury- oh my, which is pretty low apparently. Yeah, that’s a lot of pressure and it held up fine, okay. So I was comfortable with five inches because that was enough to actually make that bend over and follow the curve, so it worked out really well. I did one side at a time because I didn’t really have enough time.

[00:12:50] I didn’t think to glue up both sides and get them in there and set the way I wanted to right, but there are pictures. By the way, I put pictures up of the third wing. Did I mention a third wing?

[00:12:59] Already. By the way, third time I did, when you say sides up, clarify: you joined your wing panels. You built your wing as one solid wing as opposed to me I’m building two separate wing panels, correct? And you applied the sheeting to the, let’s say, entire upper surface and we can say that because that’s correct. And no bottom surface. No bottom surface because we were concerned about the time it would take and glue would start drying and could potentially cause issues. So, yeah, yeah, so.

[00:13:25] I just wanted to do on a wing that size. I wanted to do it one at a time, especially for my first time, yep. So when I put it in there and got it under vacuum, there was quite a bow on one of the wing panels that came in. I mean, it was a good, probably half inch bow in the center from oh like, like a warp on the wing, kind of like the second one, yeah. But the cool thing was I literally just pushed down on it while it was under vacuum and straighten that out just on the countertop, okay, and that’s a fairly

[00:13:55] Straight surface. Yeah, and it held it flat. After I did that because of the vacuum, I had to do once was push it down, and then that the because of the top sheeting, it moved the glue joints and all that stuff just over enough to make it sit right and I didn’t have to do a thing and you saw it, that came.

[00:14:10] Out pretty good. It did, it came out. It came out very straight. Yeah, I was looks really good.

[00:14:15] I was very impressed with it. So I had like a lot of building going on this weekend. Yeah, you got a lot done. This was all saturday to pretty much sunday morning and then sunday night I had a little bit. So saturday night it was about five o’clock and I started cutting the wing ribs with our new laser cutting, by the way- yep, cutting. So I had to cut everything again. I was able to cut everything for the wing, all the wing ribs. I was able to cut all the fuselage formers. So basically, you had to.

[00:14:46] Start with cutting. I, yeah, did I mention that cutting was the first thing I did? Well, I’m just trying to explain that. Sorry, I started with flat stock right and had nothing else from scratch. Yep, and I was able to cut. Did I mention I cut? I was able to cut everything for the wing and for the fuselage. I was able to did the fuselage formers too. Yes, okay, I was able to build the wing. That’s all the formers, all the or all the spars went in on the wing jig, able to glue all that up and start on the fuselage.

[00:15:19] All in one night. So hold on. Oh and sorry, and I took the wing off of the wing. I was just getting ready.

[00:15:24] To say: yeah, so you, you cut all the parts, I cut all the parts. Yeah, I cut all the parts. That’s what I. You glued the wing parts together on the jig. -Huh, took that off the jig, put the fuselage parts that you also cut on the jig and started gluing that together. Yes, oh, you did that all.

[00:15:43] Saturday night- well, well, saturday afternoon, and well no, saturday night into sunday morning. Yeah,

[00:15:49] Oh see, I misunderstood. When we talked about earlier, I didn’t yeah, because I missed the whole part about taking the wing off the jig so that you could put the fuselage on. Yeah, that’s really impressive. So I.

[00:15:59] Did all of that and finished up about two o’clock sunday morning and then sunday night. That’s impressive. All I did on that was is when I put it in the bag and then and then did the vacuum on it. That was a whole process, though I mean right, but that didn’t take all that long. I mean really it.

[00:16:14] Didn’t by the time. I got the glue on before, so you had some experience. No, you back and bagged a wing before when. Well, you practiced a couple times. I practiced a couple times, so I never glued it. No.

[00:16:25] But I didn’t have to worry about lining up the sheets and getting that on right before I put it on, so that took a little bit longer, right? So, yeah, I did a couple test fits and stuff on that first and then I glued that together and that was my whole weekend, yeah. So I was kind of proud of myself, and not only that you should be, because it looks fantastic. Well, thank you, I’m I’m proud of this one. I actually think it looks better than yours is. It is what you told me. I agree, and then that makes me happy. Yeah, yeah, I will gloat about that for a long time, but so I actually took the time we talked about it last week, the airs on the plans, yeah, and I don’t remember if I had said

[00:16:58] That I went through and fixed the plans or not, did I? I don’t know if I told you that or said anything.

[00:17:04] About that. So I went and we talked about it last week about fixing the plans and cutting the rooms because you hadn’t committed to building a third wing. I wasn’t planning on building a third wing last.

[00:17:13] Week. To be honest with you. Okay, like my plan. Yeah, actually a week ago today, my plan was just to take the wing that I had trying to fix it, but then I, just I- I figured it would be better to start over from scratch. So I redrew all the plan or all the files for cutting, and now everything lines up just perfectly. So, when you look, introduced the warp in the wing before.

[00:17:35] Was that the slots were not exactly aligned for the spars and you forced- remember we talked about that- it looked like an s yeah and then that. So you fixed, you fix those spar notches so that they all lined up and you didn’t have to force anything into the yeah. Yeah, and it’s a nice straight line.

[00:17:51] All the way down. So everything lined up beautifully like same, even like with the, the very front of the ribs. If you look down the line, it didn’t make a perfect line, not only for how far out it stuck but for the actual taper on the wing. Yeah, so now all that’s been fixed. The trailing edge has all been fixed. It’s all exactly a quarter inch and actually the, the, the trough or whatever- I still don’t remember what you call it- where you put the wing spars in. That was off from the one that was.

[00:18:23] Farthest forward to the one that was farthest back, almost the spar notches, the spar notches, yeah off almost a quarter inch down that whole run. Oh wow, that’s how much I had to move the farthest.

[00:18:32] Out. Yeah, that’s what explains why I had to cut such yep reliefs and the notches on mine, so no.

[00:18:38] Longer do you have to do that. If we ever make another one of these, I have the plans and it will.

[00:18:42] Be perfect, just like this one was: yeah, and, and it is it. It looks, it really does look good. You did a.

[00:18:48] Good job, yeah, I was happy about that. And then, like, with the fuselage too, the fuselage looks good so far too. Oh, there’s really not a lot done with that, but I really- I mean it’s. I really wanted to see like the shape start to come together, so that’s why I started working on it looks good. But I did. We, we talked about how it’s quite narrow it is. Actually it looks very long and slender, very slender, yeah. But we had talked like I feel like I’ve done about seven airplanes already with the amount of times that I have started on stuff, cut, stuff, designed it- show them to you and you’re like:

[00:19:20] Well, that won’t work and this is why. And then I go back and redo it. We had talked a while ago about printing 3d, printing some standoffs to do the fuselage on the wing jig. Yes, I don’t know why my mind doesn’t think of things like the right way sometimes. So to me, your brain goes stupid, my brain goes into stupid. So to me, like the, the original standoffs that came with that wing jig, or the adjusto jig for the wing holds, the, the two bars that go through it, horizontal.

[00:19:51] To the wing jig. Yes, so that’s how I designed the standoffs to: to work with the fuselage, so that the fuselage would be made sideways, right. So that’s a small problem. Well, I went through and printed all that stuff and went to give you your set and you’re like: well, why didn’t you just do it? To where?

[00:20:09] It’s vertical. Yeah, the rods can be however you want to orient them, if you’re designing.

[00:20:14] The standoffs right. And then it’s like, well, why didn’t I think of that? So I redesigned everything, reprinted myself: 10 standoffs reprinted, 10 for you and you- thank you, you’re welcome- which took a little over a day a piece to do like- not a piece, but like per print. So each 10 took over a day. It was like 25 hours to print. There’s also pictures of that on the website. They work fantastic. By the way, I really like how it turned out and I made them tall enough to where you can have bigger planes that will fit. And the other thing I did is I changed it instead of having a two inch spacing,

[00:20:46] Between the, the, the rods, which is what it is for the wing jig, like when you’re building wings. Yep, it’s only an inch and a half. Yeah, gives you a little more room. By doing that, we can actually get that whole fuselage on without having parts and pieces hanging off. Yep, so it worked out really good, and that was my entire weekend when it came to this kind of stuff. Well, you got a lot done, yeah.

[00:21:08] What did you get done? I got absolutely nothing done on the duelist. I am ashamed to admit that I chose flying over building this weekend, and normally that is not the case for me. Well, at least you did something, yeah, so I father’s day. Back in father’s day I posted the video of the sbox 300 running a little juicy video. I actually finally got to fly that airplane for the first time this past friday. Very nice, and you didn’t tell me about it. No, I didn’t. I didn’t tell anyone about it. It was a, it was basically a maiden. I mean it’s a new airplane to me. I mean it had been flown.

[00:21:43] By its previous owner but before me. So it was a, it was a maiden to me and it’s a cool airplane that I really like quite a lot. So I didn’t want anyone around. I wanted to be able to focus on what I was doing and not get distracted or be nervous about having somebody watch, or it wasn’t in, it turns out there was a couple people out the field anyway, but I told literally nobody that I was going out friday until after I was done, and I do feel

[00:22:13] Some kind of way about that. I feel a little bad that I didn’t tell everybody, hey, I’m going out to the field, and I did. I made the same mistake sunday. I went out flying and didn’t tell anybody I was flying, and I should have done that, because now I realize that if I had told you a couple hours earlier, you could have maybe went out there as well. Yeah, you texted me and said: hey, I’m going to.

[00:22:31] The field like now, and I’m like, well, that’s wonderful, you have fun. I mean it was way too late.

[00:22:36] Yeah, I, I figured that, and not too late in the day, but stuff had already come up to where already made.

[00:22:41] Other plans and no big deal. But friday I would have taken off work just saying well, and I didn’t want you there and I can appreciate that because I’m honest, no, I understand anybody there, yeah, so but

[00:22:54] It all went well. The plane flies, amazing. And then, like I said, I took it out to the field again along with my other 50 cc yak and at that airplane flies. I’m so happy with it, I’m very comfortable with it. I flight trimmed it and I’ll touch on that on another episode- flight trimming an airplane. But yeah, I took, took both the big ones out. They both fit in my car which, oh yeah, I got them both out there in one trip, so I was really happy about that. Yeah, I had to take the stabs off, which I had to do. I had to do some work on the yak to be able to do.

[00:23:27] That, but oh yeah, that was the one that had been messed up and they had them epoxied on well.

[00:23:33] They, yeah, so there’s on my yak. It has a same like a wing spar, except it’s on the stab- or, I’m sorry, tube, rather wing tube- and they’re made to be removable. But the previous owner had epoxied the anchors into the stabs and then epoxied the bolt into the anchors so that you could not remove the stab. So, and is that because it had pulled out or what? Yeah, it’s just a foam core, just like the wings are foam core with balsa sheeting and they’re. The hole is not really.

[00:24:03] It’s a. It looks like a cardboard tube that the that the spar tube slides into, so it’s not very durable, yeah, so I think most people assembled them semi-permanently anyway because of that. But anyway, I fixed it and made it so that I could remove the stabs and now I can take both of those airplanes at the same time and not have to buy a new transportation vehicle. Oh, that’s awesome. So

[00:24:30] Where did where did the, the s-bot come from? So that was part of the okay, that was part of the.

[00:24:36] Yeah, so well, that’s awesome. Yeah, I’ve had it since then and not flown it, so has anything

[00:24:41] Like: that’s exactly how you got it, though you didn’t have to do any changing on setups or motors.

[00:24:45] Or servos or anything. No, all I did was bind it to my radio and I had to do all the programming and stuff. But yeah, oh, that’s awesome. Yeah, I didn’t change anything inside the airplane. I do like the yak better though. Yeah, I’m a yak guy. I don’t know why. I really like the lines of that s-boc. I think it’s very attractive, and I said I gave you some pictures, so hopefully we’ll get them up on the website so you guys can see what we’re talking about. But it’s to me it’s a very, it’s a very shapely airplane. It has humps in all the right places. If you ask me the s-boc, yeah, yeah, what, you don’t care for the yak as much? No, I do I. I really like the way the yak flies. They both fly great.

[00:25:21] The bigger they are, the better they fly right. Yeah, but looks wise, I really, really appreciate the looks of that s-boc. It’s very- I don’t know, shapely, is voluptuous. If it was a woman, I don’t know.

[00:25:34] It’s a very sexy airplane, yeah, well, that’s awesome because you don’t need 250 cc airplanes.

[00:25:39] Do you? Well? Sure, I do. No, do you really in the car now, so you don’t need to get rid of them? I mean,

[00:25:44] I’m just saying I don’t have one that size. No, you have one twice that size, but no, I don’t have one that size. And how much I like yaks, yeah, you have just planting the seed, you already have a.

[00:25:55] Yak, and it’s even bigger and better than mine, so why would you need a smaller one? You’d be like:

[00:25:59] Taking a step down, but mine’s not ready yet. It will be. It will be, but that 50 cc seems like a good size. When would you fly it when? Yeah, if you gave it to me, I would fly it this weekend.

[00:26:12] Well, I’m not giving it to you, so that’s why I said it that way.

[00:26:17] No, and actually I have one of those little umx yaks also. Yeah, those are neat little airplanes. They are and it’s it’s. I need three yaks. So you don’t like the small one though, but you feel like you need three of them. Well, the small okay. So the difference is the umx thing is it’s fun because it’s small. Yeah, you can fly it outside, I mean just out back anywhere, even like in your backyard, you’ll be able to fly, unless it’s windy- well, unless there’s any wind, but there is no. Like it’s an older one and it doesn’t have any of the stabilization on it, so it doesn’t have the

[00:26:48] As3x and stuff that you get on the new ones. Yeah, other than that, it’s a fun little airplane to fly. It’s very responsive. So you have to be careful because I mean, like I swear, if you look at the control surfaces on it, it is more than half of the wing. Oh yeah, it’s huge amount compared to what that plane is designed for- 3d no doubt, which is odd because it has like a what? Two and a half inch.

[00:27:10] Propeller on it. Maybe it’s pretty small, it’s tiny. I believe that’s a brushed motor. It is. It’s a brushed gear reduced motor. Oh my goodness, and it’s still. The prop is still that small. That’s kind of.

[00:27:21] That small but no, it flies pretty good, like I said it’s. It’s just one of those things where you have to make sure that it’s right, like at dusk when there’s no wind and all that stuff. It’s also fun. I have one of those little umx- oh, what’s that called the mini vapors? Oh, yeah, that’s.

[00:27:37] Another one. I think you could fly that thing down here probably. Oh, yeah, I have. Yeah, I was gonna say

[00:27:41] I’ve flown that here and I’ve flown it up in the in the living room. We got my no hold on, we got me one, and then I got cody one too and we’ve flown them both together and stuff.

[00:27:52] I’ve never actually flown one of those, really. Yeah, we’ll have to fly. Yeah, you’ll have to, there’s nothing. I probably shouldn’t fly because I always crash your airplanes. I tell you what if you crash?

[00:28:02] I’ll trade you that one for you. Yeah, no, it’s it. That is very simple, because it’s got. I don’t know if anybody’s familiar with them or not. Are you like how they’re put together? No, not just the umx, the light vapors, oh no, I’m not. So it’s literally like a carbon fiber tiny tube that bends around to make the wing and then it has like a- it’s not foil, it’s, it’s just a. I’m trying to think like a mylar, oh yeah, but like a clear mylar, and then there’s just tiny tabs that wrap around that and that’s.

[00:28:35] What keeps the mylar on the wing? I mean, that’s all it is. There’s no foam on it, nothing like that. The main boom of the body, whatever you call that. It goes back to the, the rear, the, yeah, to the tail. Just a single carbon fiber spar and there’s nothing. To those airplanes, I’ll be darned. That’s why they fly so slow. Yeah, I mean, the wing is well, they probably don’t weigh anything, do they? No, there’s nothing to them. So they’re fun to pick up every now and then, just kind of fly when you don’t.

[00:29:01] When you don’t want to go somewhere or do anything like that. Because, like I said, even if you live in town, that’s perfect size to fly just out in the front yard or backyard or even in the street, provided there’s no wind, as long as you pick the right time of day, yes, but if you get any that have the, the stability stuff on it, the as3x, they, they really fly. Well, they do. Yeah, I’ve had a few of

[00:29:21] Those umx’s. Over the years, all the ones I’ve had have flown great. My favorite was the beast on. If you remember that one- yeah, I got that one off of you. Oh yeah, and I traded somebody else because you.

[00:29:32] Loved it so much I should not have gotten rid of that. But that was another one that did not have the as3x on it. Nope, that was before, or else I would have kept it because that one was hard to fly.

[00:29:44] I had no trouble flying that one. I would take it over to wilcox all the time and fly it over there.

[00:29:49] Well, you’re also at that time, because that was right after I got into the hobby. You’re a lot more skilled than I was because I was flying for less than a year by the time I got that one off of you. I’ll give that to you, so I’ll give that to you. I traded that and a couple other things for a bigger airplane and that, yeah, when I first got into this, there was a lot of trading back and

[00:30:07] Forth. And what though the, the umx is with the as3x? I feel like. I feel like I mean, we’ve

[00:30:14] Talked about it before, but I feel like that’s cheating. I do see what you’re saying, but I disagree, and here’s why. Okay, it’s a small airplane and literally like if you breathe on it when it’s flying it’s gonna go off course. So I don’t. I think that’s too tricky to fly without it.

[00:30:34] I didn’t have any trouble flying it. Well, you’re special, I mean I get it. What you’re doing like. A lot of people must have had no trouble flying it because they sold a lot of them.

[00:30:42] Yeah, but then they have the as3x, and I don’t even know if you can get them without it anymore.

[00:30:46] Yeah, I don’t think you can like all the ones that I’ve seen have. Technology has caught up and, yeah, they’re selling more of them. I mean, there’s no question that the ones that have the as3x on these little umx- umx stands for ultra micro. By the way, I didn’t know if you knew that. What’s the x mean? I think it’s just x. Like x is what they use for to shorten a word like christmas is xmas what I’m saying? So you have access ultra micro. I know it’s a short word, but I don’t understand that at all. Yeah, anyway, they do fly really good, especially with that.

[00:31:20] The as3x, but I still feel like it’s cheating. Well, sorry. So I had what was it? It was a mig 29 and that had the as3x on it. Mig 21, mig 21, the red one, whatever, it was, silver I think or red and white. That was the ducted fan one. That was a lot of fun because literally, I mean that almost flew hands off. It pretty much did. I mean you could say who was flying you or the airplane. Well, I was, I was giving it guiding, I was telling it kind of what I wanted it to do and it was like, okay, but I’m gonna do it.

[00:31:53] Better, so you still were controlling where it went, but all the all the bad tendencies were taken.

[00:31:59] Out of it because of that. Yeah, so flying it the whole time while it’s disapproving of your input and overriding it with its own, that’s satisfying to you. Not dealing with wind for that size is.

[00:32:12] Satisfying to me. I’m teasing, of course, I know, but that’s that’s what. That’s what I take away from it. Yeah, you can fly in higher winds and stuff with those tiny airplanes. Yeah, and that’s true, when you crash them, there’s not enough weight to do anything. Yeah, usually they’re you either, just.

[00:32:26] Kind of pull them back into shape or not even worry about it, just give them another toss and keep.

[00:32:31] Flying yeah. Yeah, batteries are cheap, they charge pretty quick, yeah, and usually if you, if you buy the

[00:32:37] I think. So they do like a basic and then they do like the. I forget the levels, but you can buy them now, I think, with like everything, minus your transmitter, in the box: charger, battery, everything. You just open the box, charge battery, bind it to your radio, and I think nowadays you can even download the, the radio setup file from horizon into your radio, like if you have a radio. That- yeah, that’s new enough that I don’t have. The dx8 will do that. Oh, really, yeah, you download it onto your sd card on the computer and then you put it in your transmitter. Wow, I thought mine was too old. No heavens, no, oh, wow.

[00:33:11] Well, it might be for the new ones, but the older ones, you could do that. No, the older, the newer ones probably just hooked directly up to it, I would think. Well, the newer radios like mine. You just show it a picture of the airplane and it automatically just programs itself and you actually have to show.

[00:33:26] It a picture. You can’t just tell it what it is, no, you gotta show it a picture. I’m disappointed.

[00:33:31] It’s time for an upgrade. No, I just that. That’s a great. It’s too much transmitter for me. It really is, but it came with a deal. So yeah, but no, umx planes are fun. Yeah, I like them, I think they’re, and some of them are small enough now you can just- I mean, you don’t even need to like have a lot of flight equipment to take them and go fly, you can just chuck them in a backpack and off you go, or a lot.

[00:33:55] Of them also come with a box that you can store them in. Yeah, with everything, yeah, and everything is stored in that box and you can just throw it in your trunk and not worry about messing it up, even.

[00:34:02] Yeah, don’t leave it in your car. If it’s like really hot, though. Well, I just meant like if

[00:34:06] You’re going because they are foam. If you’re going to the field, well, in batteries you don’t want to get hot either. So oh yeah, they will. Speaking of hot batteries, I have a story about.

[00:34:13] A hot battery, do you? So? The other day- it’s been a few days ago- my phone, for whatever reason, didn’t charge at home the night before. So did you put it on the charger? I did and it didn’t charge for some reason. It’s either the cord or the little block, whatever it is. So I got to work and I was like: well, I’ve got a cord in the car, I’ll just leave it plugged into my charger in the car while I’m at work. Well, I made the mistake. It was it was a cool morning because it’s it’s cool in the mornings now here. It’s cold in the mornings. Now it’s cool in the mornings here. Okay, and

[00:34:48] Because we all know Ron likes it freezing. Anyway, I left it in the car, left the windows up and I didn’t put my little window shades in to prevent the sun from beating it. Yeah, black car, black interior. So I left it out there all day and then when I went out at the end of the day at work, I went out to the car and unplugged my phone and it kept beeping at me. It’s like what? What the heck is going on? Apparently these have LiPo batteries in them and there’s some kind of safe mode. It will not let me turn the phone on if it’s above a certain temperature, if the phone itself is above a certain

[00:35:21] Temperature and they gave me a little message: phone overheating or something like that. So of course I freaked out. I’m like, oh my gosh, my phone it’s overheating. Yeah, it’s gonna explode on.

[00:35:30] Me because it’s got a LiPo battery in it- lithium ion, by the way, I don’t think it’s a LiPo, oh well.

[00:35:35] It has a lithium battery in it. So of course I kicked on the ac and held it in front of the ac trying to cool it off so it would turn on, and it didn’t. I don’t think it did any permanent damage, but yeah, it got really hot in there. So I would not recommend leaving a lithium battery in your car with the windows up in the middle of summer. I agree, wholeheartedly, do I?

[00:35:54] Agree. So that’s and you? You don’t have a phone that you can replace the battery on, do you? I don’t think so. That’s why I like my phone so much. I can just pop the back off and put a new battery in I.

[00:36:04] Mean. I’ll be honest, I’ve never actually tried to tried to do that with this phone, but I imagine it’s. It’s got the weird curved edge screen, yeah, and besides that this phone’s like kind of old so I might be due for a new one anyway. Maybe that was my sign. Oh, maybe not. So anyway, umx lithium.

[00:36:24] Batteries. Don’t leave them in your hot car. All right, so should we move on to some listener questions again, yeah, why don’t we? Or comments, or feedback or whatever? I got a couple things. I.

[00:36:33] Could I could hit on here. Okay, I’ll start have at it. So, jeff from flight team- he has flight team in parentheses here and I’m hope I’m pronouncing that right flight team. It’s either that or flitting. I’m not sure he says hey, guys just caught up on the last few shows. What’s the john dory with the accent? Ron, are you going to throw another shrimp on the bobby? You may want to.

[00:37:03] Have a captain cook at that accent. That was a bit of the dog’s breakfast and I think thousands of your listeners may be sending- I am offended at RC Plane Lab dot com emails. Of course they’re referencing your terrible attempt at an australian accent. It was bad, but I have no clue what you just said. Yeah, like I don’t know what that means. Yeah, I’m reading a word from word from jeff and honestly, jeff, I don’t know what any of that means. I’m I’m hoping that it’s just fun being poked at Ron.

[00:37:33] Well, I hope, I hope we didn’t just like offend a whole, like continent worth of people. Okay, I know.

[00:37:38] It’s not a continent. Wait, is it a continent? I think, yeah, I think australia is a continent, okay. So anyway, I hope I didn’t. It’s been a while since I’ve had geography, but I hope we didn’t offend.

[00:37:53] A bunch of people is all I’m saying. I have no clue what he just said, so that is certainly not our intent.

[00:37:58] So he goes on to say: jeff says, all jokes aside, I heard the word flaps and, passing a lot, I would say a whole show would not fit around flaps. But maybe you could expand on that subject a little bit. What are the different types of flaps? What is the use for them? He says he’s heard of something called crowing, or at least he thinks that’s what it’s called. He says: is that the same thing? He says: love the show, guys, keep up the good work. Jeff from washington, crowing, crowing. So I think what he’s talking about is crow and that is a. It’s a term used with, and I emailed

[00:38:36] Jeff, if you’re listening, I emailed you back. Hopefully you it made sense to you what I wrote, but basically it’s so you’ve got a wing right and, let’s say, half your wing. You’ve got an aileron and usually you’ll have two or more sets of flap surfaces and they are on each wing, on each panel. Yeah, so on the right hand panel you’ll have an aileron and two flaps, let’s say, and on the left hand panel you’ll have another aileron and two flaps, and then board and outboard flaps, separate flaps, yeah, and they’re designed such that I’m using my hands here look like flippers.

[00:39:09] Sort of. But they’re designed such that or they’re set up so that when you actuate or when you activate crow mode, one flap will move up and the other flap will move down, and essentially what that does is it sort of balances out lift with drag, but it provides drag so that you can slow a really efficient airplane down for an approach and landing. So sail planes use it a lot. High performance sail planes will use it because their wings are so efficient. They just want to keep flying, even at really low air speeds. So what?

[00:39:43] They do, is they? They set their flaps up to crow one up, one down on each wing panel to cause enough drag to actually slow the airplane down and kill lifts so that they can actually land the thing.

[00:39:53] I’ve never heard of that. Yeah, I’ve heard of crabbing, and that’s completely different, is something a.

[00:39:58] Little bit different. That’s using yaw, almost like we call that slipping in the, in the real, in the full size. They’ll slip it into the present, the airframe, into the airstream to slow it down and cause drag so you can get into a short field or whatever. But yeah, so sail planes use this a lot. Sometimes they’re called they’re used in conjunction with spoilers, which are a surface that is on the top of the wing that moves up to spoil lift. That’s why they’re called spoilers. So yeah, actually funny- funny that we got this email because on the horton project.

[00:40:35] That I was working on and quite a few episodes back that I need to get back to. I was gonna say how’s that going? By the way, it’s going great. I’ve got- yeah, I’ve got- nothing done on it lately. I’m at the point where I have to join the wing panels to the fuselage. That was built by the owner, somebody else. So I’ve got quite a bit of work to do with that interface of the wing and the and the fuselage. So I’ve been I’ve been procrastinating and putting other projects on the table, but anyway, that particular airframe has that sort of setup. It has a, it has an aileron.

[00:41:06] And it has two flaps per wing panel so that they can be set up in crow, because it’s a really super efficient wing and just wants to keep flying. So you got to do everything you can to spoil, lift and slow the airplane down so you can actually land the thing cool. Yeah, so that I’ve never heard a little bit and yeah, actually, jeff will, I’ve got a note here to do a little research and try to do the subject justice. But yeah, we definitely want to talk about flaps and setting them up as a as an extra feature on your airplane in a future episode. So next, I have

[00:41:40] A text that came through and he sent a picture with it also that I’ve shown you of a wing. And he said also, how would you cover this wing? He said, building balsa is new to me. Everything is straight. I think I did a good job. The leaning edge of the wing is made up of a small carbon rod. I’ve seen how to cover a sheeted wing, but not this type. How would you do it? So, first off, yeah, that build looks beautiful. It looks like it’s really going to turn out good when you actually get it sheeted or not sheeted, when you actually get it covered and covering. That is so, yeah, that.

[00:42:15] That build technique using a, using a rod for a leading edge. That’s not new. That’s been around for quite a while. Actually, airplanes used to be built that way: they’d have a, a piece of either spruce or whatever dowel rod as your leading edge and then the ribs would have that sort of half moon shape cut out at the leading edge to glue to that. And then you’d build the west rest of the wing around that and you would cover that wing- pretty much the same technique you would use covering a sheeted surface, you kind of- maybe this is something we’ll cover more in depth in a

[00:42:51] Future episode or maybe a youtube video. Perhaps it all depends on patrons- another plug for patreon -huh, but anyway, yeah, you cover the wing- very similar, you. You kind of start in the middle, you tack it down in the middle and then the way I do it is I like find the exact center of the panel or the wing that you’re covering and I’ll tack down a good portion of the covering there and it all it’s going to depend on which covering you’re using. If you’re using ultra coat with the multi-temp settings, you want to use the tack setting, right?

[00:43:23] Me with the MonoKote and the new china coat that I’ve tried to use here recently. I just crank it.

[00:43:29] Up to like 300 or whatever it is and use that for almost everything. But anyway, tack it in the

[00:43:35] Exact center, and then I’ll grab the covering, kind of pull it- not super tight but taut- and then I’ll tack it on the leading edge, directly in front of that center tack, and then I’ll do the same thing on the trailing edge and then I’ll grab the covering and pull it all the way out at the tip and do the same thing in the center, leading edge and trailing edge, and then do the same thing in the center of that halfway again, so on the side of the wing, and then same on the back. Yep, and because it’s open structure, actually an advantage for it to be, for being open structure is no air is going.

[00:44:06] To get trapped in between the rib base, right, yeah, so that’s nice and you, you, basically, once you, once you have all the tacks done, then you can start pulling the tighten and tacking it or ironing down around the edges and then go over the thing, tightening down, pressing it down into the air or the surfaces of the ribs and spars and stuff as you go. So that’s, and start with the bottom and then go to the top. That’s how I do it now. Hopefully that answers this question. I think, yeah, I love that style of construction. It’s very vintage. I love building airplanes that way.

[00:44:42] Because, I mean, there’s no forming or sanding of the leading edge, it’s already kind of shaped. For you. It seems like it’d be very simple. Yeah, and it makes very quick and, as the picture shows, it makes for actually, in my opinion, a very attractive framework. It’s a very classic design. Yeah, I like.

[00:44:57] It. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah, I appreciate, I appreciate photos like that. So next, and this one I actually found kind of interesting. Okay. So he says- and this is another text that came through- he said I’m listening to episode 33: acetone dissolves CA without harming balsa. He said years ago I was building a super sportster wing on my gesto jig- very cool, by the way, because now I know what that means. Yes, love with it. Yeah, he said it was my first time using the jig. He said I built the wing upside.

[00:45:28] Down because I was not paying attention to the jig instructions. Oops, acetone to the rescue. I soaked the wing panel in acetone and it dissolved all of the CA and evaporated from the balsa so I could start over. Acetone nail polish remover will get it off your skin also. Yeah, why am I spending so much money on?

[00:45:48] The, the super glue remover stuff. That’s a good question. I don’t know why you’re spending that. I thought I thought that was like. I thought you knew that I did not know that. So yeah, everyone, acetone is a, is a is a is a solvent for lots of things, but also one of them is cyano acrylate glues. It will dissolve that bond and, yeah, it doesn’t. I mean, I’m surprised that soaking a wing panel will loosen up the glue joints. I’m sure there was probably some cleanup afterwards, because it does leave acid, not acetone itself, but the glue joint will still have crispy glue bits attached to it. It doesn’t.

[00:46:24] Just dissolve and go away. Yeah, but yeah, I’ve. I’ve removed super glue from my fingers, from, well, my fingers, lots of, lots of areas where I don’t want it: countertops, countertops, yeah, but so, instead of covering, it does a fantastic job of removing it. On covering, you have to be careful. Some covering acetone will dissolve the color that’s used in the covering, which makes it great for cleaning up covering after you’ve ironed it on. But you have to be really careful. Some covering materials will.

[00:46:56] Like soften or potentially dissolve a little bit with the acetone. So try it in an inconspicuous area, just like a floor cleaner or carpet cleaner or whatever. But yeah it, acetone does a great job.

[00:47:12] With CA. So go buy a nail polish remover instead of spending like seven bucks on debonder. Well, the

[00:47:18] Debonder. So I will. I will hand it to the debonder. Whatever it may not be acetone exactly, but whatever they’ve done to refine it they’ve removed a lot of the odor from it. So, oh, like the bobsmith debonder and the other companies that sell it in the bobsmith bottles, when you use it usually like it has no odor. So that makes it kind of handy. If, like me, you work in sort of a enclosed space that’s not well ventilated, the fumes don’t like get to you, like acetone can. Usually I can get my fingers together you.

[00:47:52] Know and do that while I’m working and then just go outside if I need to use something that smells a lot. So that’s okay, my fingers will go with me no matter where I am right as long as I’m not glued to, like the countertop. But you can’t take the countertop outside with. I have done that before, yeah, so

[00:48:06] Yeah, that’s cool: fingers to many, many airframes. Yeah, I did that too, thinking now I’m just going to hold.

[00:48:13] This tight until it’s dry, and then you pick it up and it comes with you. Yeah, in there, done that. But

[00:48:18] Yep, it does. It does a great job. Yep, that was a good tip. Yeah, that’s awesome. Last email I want to get:

[00:48:23] To okay. So it says: this is david. He sent an email saying: hello, I’ve been listening for a little while. I’m a new flyer and still learning. Your podcast is helping me understand things. I think a good thing to cover- and it may take a couple episodes- is transmitters and receivers. How many? Oh that’s a lot. How many channels do you recommend for a person who would be starting out with bind and fly models? Also brands of receivers and transmitters? Sorry if this is a basic question, but I’m still learning and also teaching my teenage stepson at the same time. Oh that’s.

[00:48:55] Fantastic. Yep, it is something I thought we could both do together and we are both really enjoying it. First off, welcome to the hobby. Yes, again, yes, that’s awesome. As for teaching your stepson and stuff, that’s cool as long as you buy, or as long as you guys are both having fun with it. That

[00:49:12] That’s an awesome thing to be doing, what? Yeah, it’s such a great hobby, especially to enjoy with, with.

[00:49:18] Family? It really is. I think it’s very cool. So how many channels, Tom? Well, I mean he.

[00:49:27] Mentions bind and fly stuff. No matter which radio you choose, choose the one that number one fits your budget and number two allows you some room for flexibility in the future. Obviously, a four channel radio is going to fly just about any trainer type or intermediate type airplane, right, yeah, but with more channels usually comes more features and more model memory, like you mentioned in the last episode. Yeah, so if I had to make a suggestion, no matter which,

[00:50:01] Which brand you choose, I would try to go for at least a six channel. Yeah, that’s what I would say.

[00:50:05] Six is good. I wouldn’t go anything below. That gives you a couple extra channels to play with and, yeah, the transmitters usually have enough extras built into them. When it comes to brands, if you’re buying bind and fly- I think that’s mostly spectrum- yeah, well, bind and fly is the.

[00:50:24] Proprietary terminology, but txr or transmitter ready. That’s the, that’s the hobby co version that goes with fitaba, okay, or used to. I’m not sure if it’s still called that, but well, because I know.

[00:50:37] You can buy the bind and fly which comes with the receiver, yes, and then you can buy them sans receiver, which is just plug and play, and then you can put whatever receiver you want in it to match with your, with your transmitter, right, but obviously, if you’re doing bind and fly, since that’s what he said, yeah, you’re gonna stick with spectrum. Yeah, and I probably find a dx6, yeah, yeah, I mean, that’s a good transmitter to go with. I, I agree, my dx6 generation one that I still have, that coda uses when he flies. It does everything he needs to do and it’s it’s been good for him. So those, those were really good radios.

[00:51:10] Then, and I’m not, I’m not too up on the dx6s now. If there’s even a dx6 today, I think they’re. I think.

[00:51:17] They’re up to like third generation. Yeah, oh, okay, yeah, those are. Those are nice radios. Yeah, that’d be.

[00:51:21] That’d be a great, great start, especially if it’s a hobby that you plan on enjoying for a while. Yeah, I think, I think six channel radio would be a would be a smart move. Yep, a good minimum, awesome. Yeah, so cool, awesome and have fun. I mean enjoying it with family. That. I’m always jealous whenever, slightly, when, when I, when I see stories like that and when you go out with cody and stuff like that, because I could never talk any of my kids or lori into enjoying the hobby.

[00:51:52] With me. So I get a little bit jealous when I see father and son or mother daughter, father daughter, whatever families out there, because I’m always out there, just me.

[00:52:03] It’s because you don’t call anybody. No, I’m kidding. Yeah, no, and that’s the thing with cody, though he we went out before and he just hasn’t shown any interest to go back out again. I think he’s had his fill for the next decade. We’ll see, yeah, but at least you had, yeah, we’ve got.

[00:52:17] Pictures like those days when he was really little and that was fun. Yeah, even though he wasn’t my kid, I had a good time with him back then too. Yeah, so hopefully piper will fill that void.

[00:52:27] Here in a little while we’ll see, I’d say in the next probably year or so. It’s probably about time.

[00:52:32] To start getting her something of her own. We’ll see. I think that would. I think that would be a lot of fun. I really do all right. Anything else you want to talk about today? I’m looking at my notes here. That’s, that’s really all I all I wanted to hit on tonight, all right, and I promise in a future episode I’m going to do the research and we’ll. We’ll hit a pretty sizable subject here soon. Yeah, a big, big show for a particular subject. I don’t know if I should elaborate on it, but I hate to make. I hate to make promises I can’t deliver on. Which one are you?

[00:53:05] What are you props? Oh yep, that’s gonna be difficult. I think that’s gonna be a good one, so I’m gonna do my research and we’ll have something more juicy, hopefully, for you here soon.

[00:53:15] All right. Well, thanks everybody for listening. Until next time. I’m Ron and I’m Tom. Good night.

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[00:53:52] You said super sky, bold, and then you said patreon. I was thinking of patreon, and then it was. I was trying not to giggle, and then you up, and then I giggled, sorry.

[00:54:08] I’m just thinking what I can do with patreon. That’s going right after I say patreon page.

[00:54:21] That’s gold right there, boy. Now see why doesn’t that kind of make it into the show?

[00:54:29] That’s what happens when you edit. You get to put in whatever you want.

[00:54:33] Okay, that’s oh great. I think you should let me edit for a week, we’ll see how that turns out. I think I should too.

[00:54:47] I’m not sure when I would have time. Oh, there we go. I’m gonna ride my bike. I can’t do any editing. I can’t even think about next week’s episode. I gotta ride my bike.

[00:55:01] You ain’t got no legs, lieutenant. Damn, you sounded like what forrest gump, so I was quoting my favorite quote from the movie. Sorry,

[00:55:12] He did have legs though. Yes, they took it out post-production. Yes, I understand that.

[00:55:18] It’s gary sinise. He does have two legs. I didn’t know who. He had two legs the entire time with the movie. Yes, did he kick butt and take names? Have you? You’ve seen the movie? Right, it’s been. It’s been a decade, if not more. It’s classic. You should commit that one to memory. Nah, anyway,

[00:55:38] We’re combing the desert. Patreon, that one, I know what’s that- balls, space balls, they’ve gone plaid. Yes, what else you got? Space balls is the most awesome one. I mean, that’s the. I love space balls. The helmet is bigger than mine. The ship is too big. I have to run. If I walk, the movie will be over. I gotta watch that one again. It’s been a while right, it has. Oh. This is gonna be like editing the wives episode.