Ep 170: You Sunk My Sailboat, with Terry Dunn

[00:00:05] Hello everyone welcome to the rc plane live podcast I’m Ron I’m Tom I’m dave and I’m terry.

[00:00:19] Terry? What’s going on? Buddy? Yeah, I snuck right in there. You did, nobody knew it was coming. Surprise, the tagline and everything. Yeah, you did. So, terry, how are you? I am doing well, thank you.

[00:00:33] And that because I saw you very recently. You did. I had a very nice trip up to your house for a weekend getaway. You were hosting me because there was a indoor fly in event. What I

[00:00:49] Don’t why are you laughing nothing I just thought it was funny that you chose you were hosting me.

[00:00:55] It was I, my mind was going somewhere else and I had to reel it back in, sorry because there exchange student or something. Yeah, exactly, well, he did. He fed me. He was really nice, very nice, but anyway. So he had an indoor fly-in, first one I heard you guys had up there and we can talk about that in a little bit. I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves. But well, to be clear, all three of you.

[00:01:22] Were invited. Well, here it comes true, and once again I could not go because of work. Yeah, so this just continues the tradition. Terry and I still have yet to actually meet each other in person.

[00:01:36] Yes, we’ll, we’ll close that loop one day. We will- hopefully sooner rather than later. And you could always come down to illinois. I mean, that has been discussed, oh okay, so yeah, I think that’s probably somewhere in our future. Sweet, yeah, I think so too. We have to find the right event for him.

[00:01:54] Though, yeah, or maybe there doesn’t even need to be an event, maybe it just needs to be a, a weekend of flying and you just, yeah, just that’s going flying, yeah, things to plan that we will talk about. And then I’m also trying to get him to come to journal. Oh, my, that is. That would be amazing.

[00:02:13] It’s on you, terry. Yeah, I know, I know so, between you and fitz and lee, I get that. I get leaned on pretty heavy for that and again, yeah, I want to make that happen, just like I want to do toledo. My problem is the spring.

[00:02:31] Which one did we say is in april? Are they both in april? No, toledo is in april, and then obviously may is when joan all is. Yeah, because it’s, and unfortunately, the first weekend for joan all.

[00:02:45] Is mother’s day weekend, yeah, yeah. So the april stuff is always hard for me, because my daughter’s birthday is in the first week, my wife’s birthday is in the second week, then we have an anniversary in the last week and sometimes there’s easter. So april almost always seems to be difficult to plan around. But I guess that excuse falls short for joan. All so well. I don’t know, we celebrate birthdays.

[00:03:08] For like three weeks at a time so that goes into may you can use that same excuse.

[00:03:14] Yeah well I can use that excuse for my own birthday I don’t think it would go well to suggest it for.

[00:03:19] Anyone else’s oh it depends but yeah so we’ll we’ll hopefully get him to joan all and if not.

[00:03:30] We’ll get him down here for some flights. It’s, it’s hard to. I mean, I’m terry, I’m sure you’ve, you’ve heard it from lee ray and fits and us, but it’s, it’s something you have to experience. You can’t, like no one can really truly put it into words really, yeah, that’s what everybody says and that’s kind of how.

[00:03:51] I describe air venture as well to people who have never been right. You can talk about it till you’re blue in the face, but until you actually go to the thing and experience it, you just don’t.

[00:04:01] Know which I still need to do. I will someday, yeah, and I agree, air venture is awesome and it’s fun, but the hands-on, the interactiveness of the everything of rc airplanes at joan, all is just amazing.

[00:04:15] Well, air venture is not about rc. Oh, I know, but yeah, and I, I get it. Yeah, but I’ll make it there eventually, just like terry will eventually make it to joan, all I’m I’m confident. So

[00:04:35] So what next? Do you want to talk about new stuff? Really quick, sure we can get that out of the way and then we can go on to carrie’s house trip. I dig it. Okay, speaking of speaking of things that I dig.

[00:04:48] Fms is re-releasing the super scorpion, the v2. It’s a 90 millimeter, if you’re not familiar, v-tail, orange and white, although the new v2 is also coming in a camo version, which is a really, really nice looking 540, which puts it a little bit below the viper 90 price. But well, I mean you got to buy a receiver. Yeah, I was gonna say that’s p? P. So I know, I know, taking pre-orders.

[00:05:18] Now and they will ship november 25th ish I think I saw on the website very soon that price by the.

[00:05:25] Way is the 6s version. The 8s version is a little bit more, a little bit more. I want to say it was 30 bucks more or something I remember I’m having in front of me. Yeah, I think, me personally, I think I.

[00:05:34] Would go with a success. Just because of the lighter weight, with the lighter wing loading, I think the airplane will do more. I’ve seen the original version fly. When I was down in florida earlier this year a couple guys had them down there and they were making that thing do stuff that jets without vector thrust should not be able to do. So I would, I think. I think if I was to get one, it would.

[00:05:59] Be the success version, I think anyway. Well, now can you? If you buy the 8s version, you can still run it with a success, right? I mean, like it should still work. I would? I would think so, but I don’t think.

[00:06:08] It’s optimized for success because the motor may not be happy on success. Yeah, the 8s version is a different motor, different speed controller. It might even be a different fan. I just I just took it as.

[00:06:18] It was able to handle the extra voltage whereas you could still hopefully fly it on when I switched.

[00:06:25] The 15 to 8s. It was a completely different drive system all the way through. Have you tried it on a success since then? No, no, okay, because, yeah, I don’t think it has to have 8s. Does it? Well? That’s kind of.

[00:06:37] Sad because I already have success batteries I don’t have to buy more 4s you don’t have them up.

[00:06:42] Just to get the success version, but then it’s not as fast. You’ll be happy with the success version, trust me. I don’t know if it’s anything like the first version, yeah. So anyway, the new camo version is pretty, pretty cool too that they that they’re introducing with it this time, but they

[00:06:56] Said on the as version it’s 150 miles an hour. That’s what they said. That would be fun, yeah, and then if you crash it, you don’t pick anything up because there’s nothing left which I’ve proven. Yeah, it would be confetti, I think, at that point with the foam, and yeah, it would just be gone.

[00:07:12] It would be a spectacle, that’s for sure, to crash at that speed. But yeah, that’s new from fms, so you can expect to probably start seeing guys fly those early december. Probably I would, I would.

[00:07:24] Imagine. Hopefully we’ll see some reviews online soon. Yes, and unfortunately that is our down time because of winter and, yeah, cold and there’s that snow and boo. Yeah, it’s even worse for you though.

[00:07:35] Terry isn’t it my winter’s worse than yours yeah is that your question I think their climate’s about.

[00:07:41] It should be similar I mean they get more snow I think probably but I don’t know I’ll let terry answer.

[00:07:45] Yeah, well, I don’t know what yours is like, but that’s true. You wouldn’t. That’s true. But being an implant to the green bay area, it is, and having grown up in florida, I expected much worse than it.

[00:07:59] Is: yeah, that’s gonna change, but how do you? How do you handle the cold, though? Because the older I get, the more I can’t handle the cold. It sucks. Yeah, I think it’s still a novelty for me, so it’s not that.

[00:08:14] Huge. I still think it’s fun to run my snowblower down the driveway, and so I’m sure all those things will wear off at some point. But for now I it doesn’t bother me most of the time and I try to go flying off the snow and yeah, I try not to stay indoors too much in the winter. Oh man, yeah, that would.

[00:08:35] Be cool, cool. Oh, I didn’t do that. Oh my gosh, I’m brilliant without even trying. Wow, no, but like I get so cold anymore and like my fingers just get frozen and I just I it sucks, but you like it cold though, I have a very, very narrow window that I’m comfortable in. Let me see. Huh, okay, high maintenance. I.

[00:09:03] Know I mean yeah you definitely like your house what I would call frigid.

[00:09:09] I, I will keep it as low as crystal will allow it to be. Oh, so you were probably miserable up here then. No, actually this time it was fine for air venture. Last year, I’ll admit, yeah, I was, I was sprawled out like a starfish, but this time it was nice and comfy, so I was okay. Oh yeah, and you were in the basement, where it’s typically a little yeah, and last time I was up higher and it was heat rises. So yeah, but

[00:09:36] Yeah, no, it was, it was fine. Thank you, okay. So, at the risk of ruining this for you, are you guys still looking at that scorpion too? Yeah, I still have it on my phone. So I pulled up the website and the first picture is a side view. Yeah, and it’s got a pilot figure in there, and the first thing I think when I see that is a really short guy driving an suv, and they’re the seats all the way up front with the steering wheels basically on their chest. Yeah, it is okay. It does look kind of funny and that’s pretty.

[00:10:09] Bad at least it has a pilot that is true unlike they’ve got blocks on the rotor pedals or.

[00:10:17] That’s true that’s a really big airplane to the scale of the pilot yeah that’s funny.

[00:10:24] Okay but don’t let that deter your excitement oh no I’m so excited because I know how well they fly.

[00:10:30] I had one of the durafly vampires and the pilot was so short in it. He’s like staring at the middle of the instrument panel. It’s like this guy’s a phone book. Right, at least they put a pilot in it.

[00:10:42] You’re right though, I suppose, but that camo version looks pretty slick though I really like that. Yeah, a little decal work on that. And that’s surprising. You’re orange all the way, I know.

[00:10:52] But I really dig the yeah, I really dig the camo, yeah, and this is one of those camo schemes that shouldn’t affect visibility in the air, shouldn’t exactly? It’s? At least it’s not silver, right silver or gray on gray or any of those low visibility things. They really work. Yeah, this should be fine.

[00:11:12] Yeah, it’s funny, the top view it looks like they’re like he might have his kid in the back seat. He’s ogling over it right now. I am. I really like it. Yeah, maybe someday. Maybe I’ll find a used.

[00:11:28] One at toledo or something. There you go, there we go. That’s the hope. Cool, what else? Well, we missed it by a day last time. Well, that was your fault. I mean, that was because of me. Yes, you are correct. E-flight came out with a sportix 1.1 Meter. It’s different, it’s a low wing timber, a mid-wing timber or mid-wing. Excuse me, I would have to fly one to see how I feel about it. It looks.

[00:12:01] Different. I mean like it. It’s kind of a cool looking little airplane, small enough to fit in your car. 3S or 4s, 2200 to 3200 milliamp hour battery, so that’s nice. But yeah, shoulder wing.

[00:12:17] To be like a shimber shimmer my timbers shimber my timber it’s designed from the ground up to offer.

[00:12:27] Modern day features conveniences and performances for low time to experience pilots interested in sport and aerobatic flying. So they started with the wheels: yeah, 40 fan or 45 amp esc, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Ar631: yeah, it might be worth looking into though. Cool little price. Oh, shoot, hold on. I’m sorry, didn’t mean to stump you, no, that’s fine. 269.99, Bind and fly. So that comes with the.

[00:12:57] Receiver and all that stuff. So I don’t think it’s not so bad, terrible, and it’s not called timber anything. They should have called it a timber just for funsies. Can you imagine the outrage?

[00:13:11] The. It would have broken the internet, yeah, but anyway. So, like I said, it looks like cool little airplane. I haven’t seen one in person yet, but I’m sure I will decide I want one once I do. Probably that’s unfortunate. Yeah, it’s not a bad looking little airplane. I don’t think so and, like I said, good.

[00:13:26] Price I mean it was in timber colors super timber colors yeah I know I think that means crystal is.

[00:13:36] Home. Yeah, yeah, every time, every time, every time yells at us. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I’m on silent mode and airplane mode. There is no way this thing can make any noise and yet we survive. I told you I don’t.

[00:13:48] Anymore oh okay ever since I started doing it oh so what else terry have you gotten any new airplanes recently.

[00:13:59] I can’t think of anything that I’ve received like off the shelf, so my only new stuff is old stuff that I’ve built, or the one we’ll probably talk about later, that I made from scratch.

[00:14:12] Mm-hmm. So, terry, I gotta tell you it was one of the podcasts you guys have done recently. You guys were talking about the new old school model works, raider kit, the stick. Your name came up. Well, and I was listening and did. Did I hear you correctly? Did you? Did you say you’ve? You’ve never owned a, like a?

[00:14:34] Traditional stick. Right out of all three of us on my show, none of us have had a regular old ugly stick airplane. You have to get one. That’s what everybody tells us. I mean, we feel like frauds once we figure that out. So how can that? Statistically, that just doesn’t happen. Yeah, you’re not alone. I’ve never owned one either. Yeah, so yeah, another thing we’ll have to close the loop on. Yeah, yeah, I mean the original.

[00:15:05] Design goes back to 1965 I mean an airplane that has been around that a design that has been around.

[00:15:12] That long I think says something about and with so many variations right exactly but I think.

[00:15:21] Terry and I are in the same boat as in the one I got from you, that tommy, the, the mini stick or whatever that is, that’s still a stick. The 40 size stick, no, even smaller. The e-flight one, oh yeah, that’s a.

[00:15:33] Stick. Yeah, yeah, so, okay. So I’ve had one of those, the okay, the original mini ultra stick, yeah, but yeah, I don’t know if I would count that, as I mean, I think it’s a stick in name only, it’s not the full stick.

[00:15:45] Experience. Well, and I kind of hope not, because I never thought that flew great, the well, I don’t know the one I thought, if you have my old one, I did. I think I sold it. Oh, I thought it flew awesome. Well, I had. For what is it the second one that you had? Oh, I never flew that one, so I don’t, I don’t know. Okay, but the one that I had previous to that, one which was identical to it- now, identical, but flew had been.

[00:16:12] Crashed before and that’s true so maybe that had something to do with it too before you at any rate.

[00:16:17] Terry, are you looking to buy one of the new raiders that’s not on my list now because I’ve already got another one of their kits that is in my queue to build. Okay, now, if I run across a stick, whether it’s a raider or one of the other variants, I’ve got nothing against them and if I find a good deal I would probably get one. And, as a matter of fact, great planes used to have, did they just call it the electro stick? They, well, they had an electric version of the stick. Yeah, yeah, a little bit like either a large park flyer or small sport plane size. A friend of mine had one and really liked it.

[00:16:53] So- and this would have been 20 years ago probably- if I find one of those, I would probably bring that home and that’s got the traditional scheme too red with the call it a maltese cross. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think that I would finally be in your club if I got one of those.

[00:17:15] Well, I’m just a huge fan of them. So, and like it’s, I don’t know if I want to say shocking. Shocking might not be the right word, but anybody who’s been in the hobby for 20 years plus seems like at some point in that time they’ve had at least one stick, and I was just very surprised. A.

[00:17:31] Stick a cub and a mustang that’s just the three that everybody has to go through at some point I’ve.

[00:17:36] Never had a mustang? Yeah, yes, you have. Oh well, you’ve never had a mustang, right? No, I did. I had that stupid hangar nine trainer thing. Is that really a mustang, though? I mean, it’s what it was called, I know, but was that really a mustang? Yes, okay, it was a mustang. What you’ve had, the little one, right? Yeah, that’s a little purple thing. Oh, that’s right, I guess. I have had a couple, I guess, and you like that one, it’s okay. Oh, it’s okay, it flies okay. It’s not one of those that I would say, oh, that looks.

[00:18:09] Like it flies, nice, it flies okay, really, mm-hmm, yeah, it surprises me, it’s, it’s weird, it’s fast. It’s not as fast as this little, the umx conchendo. The little conchendo is faster, is it really? Oh, yeah, I guess I haven’t paid much attention. Yeah, interesting, same battery too, the 3s 300. Yeah, yeah, a lot cleaner fuselage though. Yeah, less drag on the conchendo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, cool. And now you have a

[00:18:43] Title for this episode a little purple thing I want to see a doctor about that I was gonna say.

[00:18:51] That might put us in a different category, I don’t know. Internet searches, yeah, well, I just bought an airplane shocker, lead into that, so anyway, I saw fms had a sale on their 64 millimeter f18, the another f18 gray. I know there’s a theme here- small f18. Well, you like what I like, so that’s okay. Well, so this is the same size as the x-fly, the twin 40, like almost the exact same footprint size, yeah. So I figured it would be neat to kind of do a comparison.

[00:19:31] To see the differences in them. So I got that one, actually got it yesterday, assembled it. There are some differences between that one and the x-fly. One that surprised me. Yeah, well, I mean the fms.

[00:19:46] Version is a single 64 millimeter and the dura flower the x-fly is 240 millimeter twin 40s yeah same battery.

[00:19:54] Which is nice, oh, that’s cool. But the and so the, the blue angels f18 from f or x-fly is a two seater, whereas the fms is a single seater and there’s not nearly as much room in the fuselage for batteries. It just doesn’t seem like the fms one is actually is thought out as well as the x-fly is for electronics, for battery placement and all that kind of stuff. It is pretty cramped in the cockpit. I was very surprised, to be honest. Yeah, like I think, if I would have done this the opposite way and had that one first, I

[00:20:26] Wouldn’t have thought anything about it. And then when I got, yeah, sorry, and nobody heard that was not my phone, you heard nothing. But then, as I got the x-fly one- if I would have had that second- I would be like, oh, this is cool, but going the opposite way, it was a little disappointing.

[00:20:41] To be honest, yeah, I could see that I don’t like the way the canopy is. The magnet is not strong enough. Yeah, I might like just holding the airplane upside down. The canopy fell off. Well, the only thing.

[00:20:54] That I hope did. That was all. The wires inside are still not connected to anything because I don’t have a receiver in it yet they’re pushed against it right and same with the battery connector. I don’t.

[00:21:04] Know so it still felt weak when I haven’t played with it but I was just hearing it snapshot oh it is.

[00:21:09] Yeah it’s very weak and I’m used to the freewing f22 that I mean like I’m almost scared to pull.

[00:21:14] The whole thing apart, when I don’t know where freewing gets their magnets, but good lord, they’re. Those are like rare, rare, rare earth magnets, yeah, and there’s two of them on that one too. So yeah, I can’t hardly get.

[00:21:24] The f86 canopy off sometimes it’s it just stuck yeah which is kind of how I prefer it yeah well.

[00:21:31] Yeah you don’t want them popping off yeah while you’re flying so anyway we’ll we’ll get those out.

[00:21:37] Together and do some flying and compare them and see what we have, and the intakes go from them. Yeah, and that’s what I can’t get past like the. Well, I didn’t even notice it until you pointed it out. So

[00:21:47] Thank you. Yeah, the intakes on the, on the little fms one, are just. They’re just wrong, odd, they’re not even the correct shape, they’re not in the correct location. It’s just ugly, if I’m honest, but probably.

[00:22:00] From 20 feet plus away, you’ll it’ll look fine, or if you don’t know them as well as you do, like I, it would not have caught me as such a negative. Your xy ones look good, though they. They’re an f18 guy. How.

[00:22:13] Did you not notice that you love f18s well I guess I just didn’t okay I mean I don’t know but the.

[00:22:20] Which one are you talking about? The new one from fms? All right, I guess it’s not new. Yeah, it’s the fms 64 millimeter, f18, the 64.. You have a 70 and a 64.. Yeah, okay, 64, and it’s one on sale right now for 120.

[00:22:37] Now I see yeah I’m glad I didn’t buy one I’m glad I did especially now after seeing your line stab versus.

[00:22:45] Elevators yeah that’s a huge deal for me too I don’t know why oh yeah those intakes are big.

[00:22:51] Yeah they’re they’re the wrong shape they’re not in the right location and it’s got cheater holes.

[00:22:57] In the front too that seems like it’s for airflow but I don’t know why it would be unless it’s for.

[00:23:01] Cooling the electronics: yeah, battery and whatnot. The speed controller is at the back of the airplane, underneath that fin and cover, yeah, open, kind of like open. So I don’t think the holes are for cooling and I don’t think they’re for cheaters, because the intakes are huge, because they’re the wrong shape, so I don’t know, there’s like, yeah, it’s weird. Yeah, like I said, from 20 feet away it’ll probably, while it’s flying, it’ll probably be a blast. I’m hoping it flies good. Yeah, yeah, if it flies well.

[00:23:29] All those other sins are forgiven exactly but the good news is if I crash it I don’t care as much.

[00:23:39] Next fly. One really does look nice. It really does. I was very impressed. The shape is accurate. The price version is nice. There’s plenty of room for the battery. You can actually move the battery somewhat to change your CG if you want to make it a little more tail heavy or more responsive, full flying stabs. Yeah, it’s just a better looking airplane. We’ll see how this fms, we’ll see. I bet it flies.

[00:24:01] Good I still haven’t flown the x-fly one without gear I would like to do that but I’m we’re just.

[00:24:07] Running out of time and daylight yeah but anyway we’ll see how it goes is this a single fan or.

[00:24:15] Two, it’s a single 64.. Yeah, okay. And then the x-fly is a dual 40.. Yeah, gotcha. So it sounds cool too when it’s flying, because especially when they get just a little bit out of sync, out of sync, yeah.

[00:24:28] And it seems to have enough power. I mean, I think the 64, the single 60 formula, is probably going to be more efficient, so it’s probably going to give you a little more thrust, I bet, than the 240s. But

[00:24:39] I would think that, and probably a little bit more time. Weight wise, with the battery, I have not gone that far yet. No, it’d be interesting to see if there’s a difference, a significant difference of weight. Yeah, I doubt it, but I’m just I’m. I’m a big fan of the full flying stabs on the x-fly. I just having it just looks weird to me on the fms version, but we’ll see. Yep, we’ll probably do that in the spring.

[00:25:04] I don’t know we might get some good days I gotta get in four more flights so come on.

[00:25:08] Yeah see dave I don’t I’m over I’m good tommy well I thought we’re going to wait till like the.

[00:25:14] End of your wrap-up oh forget about it never mind everybody delete that from your thoughts.

[00:25:21] Anyway we still have time we still have december like we saw the rest of this month and december.

[00:25:26] I have to fly in december that way I’ve flown in every month every month yeah terry do you try.

[00:25:30] And fly every month, or do you even pay attention? I don’t necessarily have goals to hit x number of flights, and let me rephrase that I definitely do not have goals to hit a x number of flights a year, but I do like to fly often and, like I said before, even in the winter. So I’ll try to keep my thumbs.

[00:25:55] Trained. Yeah, yeah, it’s a good idea. I’ve- I’ve tried to fly well. I have flown for the last two years now, at least once a month, so that does get me flights in every month of the year. Nice, but I do. I do think I’m going to change it up for next year, though, and not have a set number of flights I’m going for, because it’s sometimes takes the fun out of it. Yeah, you don’t want it to start feeling like work. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, thanks, laurie.

[00:26:39] So laurie’s here listening in the background, she’s got her own little set of headphones on and playing on her phone and, yeah, dave’s trying to give her the microphone and she’s ignoring him. Oh,

[00:26:49] Hello what do you want me to say that was more than that was enough we’re done I’ll save it for.

[00:26:58] The wives. I’ll save it for the wives episode. There you go. Yeah, oh shucks. All right. So anything else? Are we going to go on the fun trip to terry’s? Yeah, let’s. I want to hear all about it please.

[00:27:17] Poor tommy, like I swear, terry. It’s like we got together something beforehand and you asked me: when is tommy busy so I can plan stuff on that weekend? Because that’s it’s. It’s getting to the point now where it’s. It’s comical: how every time? Well, because let’s see you were busy, there were two.

[00:27:36] Attempts before this that you guys were open and we’re going to come up here and, for whatever reason, I couldn’t do it. And then, out of the blue, this one popped up and yeah, and I had to work, yep, and

[00:27:49] Then the time you came to brian’s right to work and we met at the swat meet, yeah, and then for air venture- last year tommy was out of country in air venture. And then when

[00:28:05] Fitz and lee met you guys at joan. All I wasn’t there, you weren’t right. Yeah, so yeah, the universe has not seen fit to put us in the same place at the same time. That’s. It’s funny, but not I mean it’s.

[00:28:18] To the point now where it’s just ironic that no matter what happens it seems yeah but that will end.

[00:28:24] Hopefully, someday we’ll find a way, maybe toledo, and maybe, when it happens, we’ll find out. We just don’t like each other and we were better off before. It could be. You never know. Oh the anticipation I’m.

[00:28:36] Pretty abrasive no you’re not you’re very agreeable tommy’s really ai that’s what I’m just typing into.

[00:28:45] The, the computer right now, what I? Well then, how do you explain? I mean, like terry just said, I met lee and fitz, did you? He just said he did. Well, they could probably corroborate that’s.

[00:28:57] True, there were pictures. See, just drink some out of the crowd, come here and stand here. 25 Bucks to play this guy for the week, but anyway. So yes, terry, tell us a little bit about the event you put on, because I think you were the one that ran it, maybe with the flying thing sort of. I don’t want.

[00:29:19] To take all the credit for it oh go ahead and do it’s okay fine Ron would what’s that mean.

[00:29:27] So it was kind of a last minute deal and, by the way, you guys are getting the scoop on this because we haven’t talked about it on my show yet. Oh, we talked about it beforehand but we haven’t recorded a show since it happened, okay, so anyway. So there’s a high school up here that’s on the eastern side of green bay and they just recently added on. I call it a field house, they call it something else, but basically it’s an indoor training center that has about half a football field with astroturf.

[00:30:00] And one of the members of my club is friends with the principal of that school and he arranged for us to get access to that new building at the same time that the high school was having a large craft fair and the idea was we can go flying but also have a table at that craft fair to help direct interested people over there check out what we’re doing, maybe get some people interested in the hobby. So it seemed like a win-win thing. The only deal was we had a few weeks to pull it together.

[00:30:32] So that’s where I came in. They asked me to do kind of the administrative side of it to make it happen, and pieces fell into place. So it all worked out and I was there for the grand opening of this new building and, like I said, it’s pretty dadgum big and I’m like, oh, we can fly anything in here, this place is huge. And then, Ron, you were there that night. We went for the setup and, just like every other indoor venue that I’ve been to, as soon as your airplane is airborne, you’re like: oh wait a minute.

[00:31:04] It shrinks very quickly. It’s not quite as big as I thought it was. That’s the lament of many people that know me. Yeah, but, but I’m pumped. But regardless, it’s still pretty big and there are very few planes that I had planned to fly there that I couldn’t, so I think it worked out pretty well for most people in terms of the size of the place and not bouncing off the walls.

[00:31:35] But leading up to it we tried to invite all the clubs that are in the area and we actually had people from sheboygan. A couple people came up from madison area, which was a good two-hour drive. You came up from southern illinois so we did central but close. Central, yeah, shows you how much I know about the geography of illinois. It’s okay, I’ve been telling people up here southern illinois, so

[00:32:03] If they ask you that’s oh okay. Well, I gotta put a little accent on or something. Well, we’re south of chicago. We might as well be. Well, that’s true, yeah, we’re like smack dab in the middle of the state. But

[00:32:13] That’s okay. So anyway, it all worked out very well. Thank you for coming up and for those of you listening. Thanks to the people who showed up. I think it worked out as well as we could have expected we had. There was never still airtime. There was always at least a few people in the air and with four or five airplanes flying at once, it was crowded, but it was good to see that happening.

[00:32:39] Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Now I don’t want you to undersell the size, though, of the craft fair, like when I heard craft fair, I’m thinking, okay, a couple tables, whatever. Oh, my god, like the school was filled to the brim with craft stuff and they had. What do you have like? Was it? Three or four food trucks outside? There were like people inside selling food and all that kind of stuff too.

[00:33:01] Like it was. It was big. Yeah, it’s apparently a tradition there. I’m still new to the area so I don’t know all of that, but it was stated to me like, yeah, there the parking lot is going to be full of people at this craft fair. And they weren’t lying, it was a big deal. Yeah, and that, again, that was part of the appeal for us to have a pool of people to draw from, to come check out what we’re doing and

[00:33:27] What we’re about yeah so is this something that you’re going to make happen every year now that.

[00:33:33] Is our goal. So, and now that it’s happened, I’m following up with that principal and other people in the school to see if it’s reasonable for us to get in there again, and part of that agreement is that we want to contribute to the school as well. So when they have opportunities for stem events, anything we can do to pitch in beyond just putting people on a buddy box- right, that’s what we want to do. So we want to sing for our supper, as it were, and try to make this a thing that’s recurring.

[00:34:07] That’s pretty cool yeah same time frame every year you guys thinking that same weekend you’re.

[00:34:13] Yeah let me know your schedule for next year and work it out wait which way.

[00:34:24] If I had my druthers, it would probably be more frequent than just once a year, even if the recurring ones are smaller events and then we have a big one like this annually. Those things haven’t been worked out yet, but all of those ideas are on the table currently cool, so, yeah, it’s just a matter of seeing what makes sense for the school and what we can pull off. This is, like I said, a brand new facility and I think their drive right now is to make sure that everybody in the community

[00:34:59] That has an interest in using it gets to use it so they’re really trying to promote it and see what.

[00:35:05] All can be done in there so to give everybody an idea of size what sort of airplanes were most.

[00:35:12] Comfortable in that space. Anything umx was fine, even like the two and three cell umx stuff nobody seemed to have any trouble with. There was a couple of flying wings that were zooming around. They were kind of hugging the wall, but they were flying around, they’re fine. That one surprised me, to be honest. Yeah, there was even a couple six cell quad racers in there. I don’t think we’ll be seeing that again. That was a bit much, but they had no trouble. That was impressive though it was, yeah, impressive.

[00:35:45] Sounding impressive, looking. They were both excellent pilots that were doing that, but just in terms of the optics for people that we want to come watch that right, we might want to mitigate the danger levels a little bit, yep and, and there are certainly some smaller, less powerful fpv quads that would be more at home in there. So I think we’re going to aim for that next time. Cool, but yeah, I don’t know. I don’t recall seeing anything that anybody brought that day that didn’t fit just fine. Several

[00:36:22] Larger profile foamies like what’s the one that you had Ron that red and black one oh the erratics.

[00:36:28] No that was the umx yak well I mean you used to have an erratics correct oh yeah I had one.

[00:36:35] Of those. Yeah, there was one of those in there and that was fine, oh okay. And the way it kind of worked out is there was a racetrack pattern and nobody defined this, I don’t think, but it naturally just began counterclockwise and stayed counterclockwise and then at one point towards the end of the day, I’m like, hey, let’s switch directions. And that happened, for, like it lasted for about a minute and then suddenly we’re flying counterclockwise again. So, yeah, what is it? Left turns? For some reason, most people are just more comfortable going left. For some reason. Yeah, I’m not sure, but yeah, that seems.

[00:37:06] To be the preferred direction. Yeah, so there tended to be kind of a racetrack around the outside and then three day area in the middle, and yeah, it just fell into place that way, so that big flat foamy.

[00:37:20] That I got from jim oh yeah would probably fly yeah that would have been perfect and that would have.

[00:37:25] Been part yeah because there were a lot of other airplanes that size yeah they were that were flying.

[00:37:31] They were okay, cool, yeah, well, sounds like a good limit. It really was, and the only limitation that I noticed were some of the one cell ultra micro stuff. The wheels were too small to really be effective on the astroturf, so some of those were hand launched or they would lay out a piece of cardboard or something to take off. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, other than that, I will say so I brought the umx air tractor.

[00:37:56] And that one runs on three cell 300. I think I told you. You did tell me, but terry said it was huge. So I flew it in there a couple times but that was a little too fast for that area and not too fast like to actually fly it in there, but too fast to be enjoyable. With the other airplanes that were around, the umx radian was perfect, the umx yak that I took- I like flying that one too- and honestly even the turbo timber evolution was fine. The umx one, oh yeah, was getting that too cool. It flies a little.

[00:38:31] Bit slower than the air tractor yeah so I don’t think I saw your air tractor fly in there that was.

[00:38:38] The first night. I brought- okay, I just brought the, the bigger stuff the first night and, yeah, that’s that’s why I think you were out getting somebody else set up or doing something. Yeah, and it was a little too much and there was not a lot of people there the first night, which made it nicer too. I think if you got around four or five other people with a plane that size that fast, it just would have been more hectic than it was worth. Yeah, and to be clear, you’re saying the

[00:39:05] First night. The event was actually on a sunday morning, but we had access the previous evening to do setup. Setup night, yes, and within our setup window we got everything done. So we’re like, whoa, we’re here, we have airplanes, let’s, let’s fly. Yeah, yeah. So setup night. Well, it sounds like a lot of fun. I.

[00:39:25] Learned what to bring the next day yeah but then the next day I came sorry go on well I was going to.

[00:39:30] Ask if there’s normal indoor venues where you guys usually fly not so no but yes now the club that.

[00:39:42] So there’s nothing in springfield area. The club that we’re kind of close to in champaign, the champaign county rc flyers club, has an indoor event that they put on several times. Actually I think in the next month there or no, the next three weeks there’s five dates they have. Really I looked it’s about an hour and five minutes away from here but it’s in a high school gym. I’ve not been there. I’ve heard it’s good sized, so I was thinking about maybe making that trek sometime to try it.

[00:40:16] I have not. I mean, this is my first time indoor flying at this event thing and it, like I said, it’s fun and it kind of made me want a lot of smaller airplanes after seeing what other people have built and brought. Yeah, it was kind of neat to see once again. It’s a different side of the hobby that I don’t often right get exposed to. Yeah, I would like to try it someday, so if you

[00:40:39] Decide to go to one of those give me some notice and I’ll try to yeah we’ll look at the dates because.

[00:40:43] I think that would be worth trying yeah I think brian sent the email today that had some dates.

[00:40:48] Listed but I’ll have to go look again. But yeah, because they in toledo they wall off that. That back area where you can fly, that is big. Okay, I mean, that’s comparison wise. How does that compare?

[00:41:01] To the size of the place you, you flew at up north. This, the place up north I want to say, felt a little bit smaller. Okay, I don’t height wise, it was probably about the same. Terry, like, do you have?

[00:41:16] Any idea how tall the ceilings are there? I think it’s 50 foot ceilings and it’s important to note that there’s not a lot of stuff dangling down. Often in a school setting there’s nets and other things, right, cables, right. Really none of that in there, and that really helped too. Yeah, well, and they did.

[00:41:33] Have stuff covered with a net too, like from, because obviously they’re kicking footballs and stuff in there. So like all the lights and all that kind of stuff in the ceiling, all the beams were protected by a net. So if- and I don’t, I didn’t see anybody hit anything, I don’t know if you did other than.

[00:41:49] Other airplanes, yes, which surprised me, because you just expect to smack the wall every now. And then, yeah, oh wait, there was. There was one good wall smack, but I’m not gonna name names, you weren’t.

[00:42:00] There for that not that I saw that must have been after I left on saturday sunday whatever day it was.

[00:42:05] I think it was earlier in the day. Oh yeah, there was one good one, no damage done. Actually there was some pads like I don’t know large, like gymnastic pads, leaning against the wall, and one of those got hit and made a nice loud noise, of course, and I don’t think either the airplane or the pad were injured in.

[00:42:25] Any way. Oh, that’s good. Yeah, so would that have been like back wall or one of the side walls? That would have been back wall. Oh, okay, yeah, I don’t remember saying that. Yeah, cool though. Yeah, like I honestly thought somebody was going to get caught in the net on the top left. That was kind of

[00:42:45] Hanging down right. That’s a pitching cage, right. Oh okay, I didn’t think it was. Yeah, a little rectangle that kind of comes down so they can have batting practice within there. And yeah, I was surprised too, because that’s offset from the wall quite a bit and it’s not real clear how far it’s offset, but people seem to get the distance right and it worked out. Yeah, I think a lot of people were cutting it shorter.

[00:43:11] Than necessary because, like me, they were kind of afraid of hitting that. Yeah, yeah, I expected more carnage than there was. To be honest, that’s good though. What I was going to say, though, is I found out because I brought my 1s batteries for the umx airplanes. I brought, and I found out that, of the eight I had, only one was good, so that was unfortunate. Like I charged them all up and stuff before I went up there, but whenever I put them in the airplane, they just like went to zero voltage. Yeah, what are you?

[00:43:45] Doing to your poor batteries. Well, I haven’t touched them for ages, like it’s. I don’t think I’ve flown a 1s airplane for well over a year, but you flew my 1s ultrax, just not too long. Oh, that’s okay. So these are the 1s 150s. You’re talking about the 1s 500s, yeah, which is a little bit different. So I came home and I figured I was going to wait to buy them until like spring, because there’s no need to have them sit all winter. But the horizon was having a clearance sale, I found out, and they had them for two dollars and 69 cents a piece. I mean, oh, there you go. So I bought like six of them because

[00:44:18] That’s how big my charger is have you tried charging them yet yeah oh they’re okay yeah they’re all fine.

[00:44:23] Because they’ve probably been sitting a while too. They’re all storage voltage, though that’s one thing I’m terrible about doing on the 1s batteries, because it’s hard to do. I mean, that might be why you’re getting a short life out of them too. Well, I think the ones that I was trying to use were probably three years old, okay so, and not used for quite a while. Yeah, batteries that size to me, I kind of am okay with pitching sooner than I should have to if I took care of them, just because there’s no good way.

[00:44:55] To take care of them your charger doesn’t have a cutoff no I don’t think the charger has a my high.

[00:45:01] Tech two port does. I can program the cutoff to whatever I want it to be. So you just figure out forty percent of the rated voltage. Whatever that comes out to, just tell it to cut that off on all.

[00:45:13] Your. I mean that’s what I do. Well, I’d have to look because the ones the charger I use is the six port little horizon one. Yeah, but I mean I don’t think it has a storage thing on it. 30 Energy has that.

[00:45:26] Just push storage well I’ll have to look yeah I don’t think it does but so brian did send an.

[00:45:31] Email. The next event is this friday. Yeah, I won’t make that one and that’s the only date he provides. Oh like, but there’s probably. I got an email from other guys. Yeah, I’m sure that the ccrc’s website- ccrcc’s website- probably has the dates. Champagne county: yeah, I always put three c’s in the.

[00:45:54] Beginning I guess it’s supposed to be two c’s then it’s cc yeah hi anyway yeah I’m gonna have to.

[00:46:01] I’m gonna have to make one of those that sounds like fun yeah I think so too well on the topic of.

[00:46:07] Putting those little one cell batteries in storage mode. I forget who it is. I’ll have to look it up, but I found these units last year that are little standalone plug-in units that are just fire and forget. You plug it in and it discharges till it gets to 3.85, Then shuts off, and it’s made specifically for those little one cell batteries. Oh, I need that. Yeah, and I think they’re a few bucks each. So I’ll find what those are and I’ll send you a link. Yeah, I appreciate that, because that would be.

[00:46:35] That would be good to have, and just do them one at a time. I don’t need a bunch of them, but make it last longer than these last ones did. Yeah, I want to say they’re made by tiny whoop.

[00:46:46] Or for tiny whoop. Oh, that kind of sounds familiar. Yeah, I’d heard you guys, I’ll find it before. Yeah, so I think they have the there’s. There’s different kinds of connectors, the really small ones. I forget all the terminology. Terminology like a jst 1.25 Is what stock on the one cell.

[00:47:09] The umx stuff, okay. And then there’s a larger one- yeah. Then there’s a larger version of that which handles a little bit more current, so it’s considered kind of an upgrade to go to the jst 2.0. I think this discharger stock comes with the 2.0 Which a lot of my batteries have, so that worked fine. But I made an adapter that goes from that one to the smaller one and it. That works too okay.

[00:47:35] So, anyway, I’ll send you follow-up information on this. So nice appreciate it, so you don’t have to destroy your batteries anymore. Thank you very much. Well, they’re so cheap. He doesn’t care, he just buys.

[00:47:44] More. Well, okay, they were honestly on sale, though for 269 a piece. That’s that is pretty cheap for a battery. I just wish I would have thought to check before. No shipping was free, but anyway, I just wish I would have thought to check before I went up, as opposed to when I got there. Well, I have a handful of

[00:48:01] Those here you didn’t mention it to me no I didn’t it’s okay I guess I should have I mean it’s still it.

[00:48:08] Was charging fast enough to where I felt like I was flying enough so it’s okay yeah all right well okay.

[00:48:18] I was just seeing if there was any other dates. Oh okay, like I said, I’ve got an email. We can look at that later and figure something. I think there’s one the day after thanksgiving too, but it doesn’t matter, we’ll look it up later. Nobody else cares about that other than us too, so we’ll figure it out. Then three dave probably cares, do you think, would you go? Yeah, oh well, okay, well, he’s not even a member of eli yet. So well, this isn’t eli, this is champagne county. I know, that’s kind of a. I think we were.

[00:48:53] Invited being eli since brian sent the email anyway it doesn’t matter we’ll talk later.

[00:49:00] Oh, golly gosh, they used to have- was it e-fest in the armory there in champagne? Yes, that was. That’s a good place to fly. Yeah, that was fun. I went there once and that was lots of fun. But I wonder if they?

[00:49:14] Still do any flying events there? No, no, because I asked after we had a meeting, after I went up to your place and I asked about doing something locally and they said that champagne does it. So that’s probably enough gotcha. All right, okay, we’ll see. I don’t know, so let’s see. Oh, before the fun indoor fly event: terry, we got to play with some rc boats at your house. We did, yeah, so you came up on.

[00:49:46] Friday. The indoor thing wasn’t until sunday, so we had a whole day to kill and so you had to take care of me for an extra day, right? And so I threw together a little impromptu flotilla. Fitz has his thing down in houston. He calls fitz’s fantastic flotilla of fun, so we’ll call this one terry’s fantastic flotilla of fun. Basically, we went to the pond behind my house and I’ve got a whole bunch of different boats, and other people brought their boats and float planes and we just- yeah, just played.

[00:50:22] With our toys like little kids. I love flying off water. It’s a lot of fun. It really is, and, interestingly, on this little lake that I live on, most people have docks that are on wheels, so sometime in november, the group of us go around pulling all the docks out for the winter before the lake freezes over. Well, that had happened the week before, so my dock was no longer in the water, and so it quickly became apparent that we were going to have a lot more fun with the dock out there. So a handful of us, we just manhandled that thing back into the lake for the day, and then at the end of the day we pulled it.

[00:50:57] Back out and I think it was worthwhile. Yeah, it was. Is your spine okay? Yeah, oh, I, I’m fine, like, okay, it took me a few days, but I’m fine now. Yeah, you were on the end that did the heavy lifting. Yeah, terry.

[00:51:11] Don’t give him a chance to like make you feel guilty because he will I okay what does that mean.

[00:51:17] There’s so many things that it’s coming out. I’m not understanding. No, actually it wasn’t bad like it. I expected it to be a lot heavier and a lot worse than it was, to be honest with you. So, yeah, it wasn’t terrible putting that in and it was very worthwhile because it was nice to. When you’re as fat as I am, sometimes it’s not fun to try and bend over, like at water level when you have to get it farther away because the sand and stuff, because it’s it doesn’t like drop off right away. So you have to get the boat right farther out. And I didn’t want to get my shoes, but like I was,

[00:51:50] Stupid and didn’t even think to wear like old shoes. So, hint, hint, next time I will know how to what shoes to bring and we’ll make sure the dock is in the water next time. So I didn’t have to get into water to put the dock in. So that was all you. So that part was fine, right? Yeah, I had my waders on. I don’t get to wear those very often, so you look very snazzy in them. So that was, that was cool. All right, yeah, but anyway. So what? What boats did I play with? Because I couldn’t tell you. I don’t.

[00:52:26] Remember everything that you drove probably everything I had it was pretty much everything.

[00:52:30] Yeah, there was a surfer dude. There was a white boat. There was a other boat that looked like it was white at one time, but no longer was white because it’s yellow. That’d be a jet stream there. Yeah, I think.

[00:52:41] What else? We call that a cigarette boat, not because it’s because of the color it is taken on. I get it. Yeah, so like my airplane fleet, I have a lot of vintage boats, so nothing terribly fast, but like old kyosho boats with brush motors, which to me are fun. But I’m sure there’s much faster, much more capable boats out there now, but I have fun fixing those things up. So there were a handful of those and, like you said, the kyosho surfer dude, which is fairly modern but also brushed. Not very fast, but

[00:53:15] Really nimble like. That thing turns a 180 in an instant and I don’t know how it doesn’t flip over, because it’s very top heavy with that. Yeah, figure on top, but yeah, it just carves right through it.

[00:53:27] It’s well behaved like I. I think that’s the first time I’ve really driven a boat. Driven, I guess, is what you say. That’s it’s highlighted the boat, whatever, and it was. It was a lot more fun than I was expecting, honestly. Yeah, especially the sailboats I enjoy, right. So I’m gonna be honest, like good, I was just gonna say I’m gonna be honest. I’ve seen those before and I thought, my god, that’s gotta be so boring, but it actually is not. Like I equate that to going out to the flying field of an evening when you don’t

[00:54:02] Have much going on, you just want to relax and you take a sail plane. The same kind of thing like this would be fun- like for you, without anybody else around, if I lived on a lake or something like that- just to go out, put a folding chair out on the dock and just spend an hour out there doing.

[00:54:17] Nothing but that, while just relaxing. Yeah, I don’t know if I could fill an hour with it, but it’s good for 20 minutes to half an hour. For me it’s kind of like sail planes- that they’re fun to do. I like the launches and I like to try to soar with them and climb the challenge of the landing. Yeah, yeah, and I really like doing aero toe, but when I do that, I like to do the toes and then spin back down. Let’s do another toe. But I look at the sailboats like I looked at rock crawlers before I had tried them.

[00:54:53] They seem just kind of boring, like you said. And then I had an opportunity to try a sailboat. I’m like, oh, there’s something to this. It’s not a freebie. You actually have to use some skill and some strategy to get where you’re going, and also it’ll do things that I didn’t realize that it could do. Like you said, Ron, you were surprised that it could tack into the wind to come back, yeah, and so, yeah, there was much more to it than was obvious to me, which made it fun. Yeah, and I had the same experience with

[00:55:24] Rock crawlers. I’m like, yeah, what do you? Just pull the trigger and it goes over the rock. I know you guys know it. There’s a lot more to it than that. That makes it enjoyable. It’s more technical and that’s.

[00:55:34] Kind of enjoyable right but so I was gonna say what is your bigger black sailboat that’s a.

[00:55:42] Dragon force 65, which is pretty well known in the sailing community as a great off-the-shelf sailboat for everybody, and I think a lot of sailing clubs do like a one design racing class using that.

[00:55:59] I got that one a few years ago at a swap meet and oshkosh because I had heard about them, how good they are, and I had a couple sailboats before that I tinkered with. But I got that one and I can tell you it is hands down the best sailboat that I’ve had. It does exactly what you expect it to do, all the time, with no surprises, so that’s a great one. To put people on for their first sailboat experience- yes, it was to give them a taste of what it’s capable of and, as you

[00:56:33] Found out later. Not all of them behave that way. Nope, I feel like I was. I feel like I was set up on that one.

[00:56:41] So I sort of I, I, I, I built up my courage and my confidence with the one that the- he was just talking about dragon force, I think- and I mean, like I said, that was very well behaved, I could actually control it. I, I was having fun with it, and then- and it’s forgiving if you do stupid stuff with it- it just yeah, yeah, it just bounces right back and doesn’t care. And then he pulled out a different. I was like: well, here, try this one. So I’m like, cool, this is no big deal. It was a big deal.

[00:57:12] I couldn’t get it to go where I wanted. I couldn’t get it to go into the wind, I couldn’t get it to stay above water. So, yeah, did you think broadside to the wind and it would just tilt right over? Yeah, did you sink it? I did sink it, not fully sunk, but if it would have been three more minutes it would have been sunk. They haven’t seen the photos. No, I don’t think I’ve shown them pictures of anything.

[00:57:38] Yet oh yeah you’re gonna enjoy that I’ve actually got a little clip of video oh I gotta see this.

[00:57:45] Well, okay, so in my defense, which I always have to put one on, one of your friends was there was kind of explaining to me- and he has done sailing, like full-scale sailing in real life, and he was explaining to me that pretty much it’s okay to let the sailboat like get close to the water, like it doesn’t have to stay 90 degrees if you get it down, even where it’s like 30 degrees or something like that, with a sail close to the water, it’s fine, it still works. Don’t go fast. Yeah, don’t get scared.

[00:58:16] Or anything like that. It’s okay. So that’s what I was doing with the, the black one, and, like I said, I built my courage, or my confidence, up a little too high, because apparently, that one is sealed on the top, whereas- and what’s the small white one? There’s a smaller white one, I think it’s called a.

[00:58:37] Westward. It’s a horizon hobby product, oh, of course. So it apparently is not gone, it’s. It’s not sealed like the battery hatch, is not sealed like the dragon force, but I think it’s made for lighter wind conditions and it was pretty windy by the time we pulled this out. So, yeah, I handed you a grenade when I put this light wind sailboat in your hands. Yeah, and while we’re talking about this, you guys mention

[00:59:08] All the time that Ron is unwilling to fly other people’s airplanes he’ll drive the heck out of your.

[00:59:13] Boots so okay I yeah I’m not worried about crashing him even though I guess I should have been because.

[00:59:19] I sunk one. Well, crashing is not sinking, so I guess that’s yeah. And he did fly one of my airplanes too, just saying yeah, I had to trick him into flying a different one, but I think he willingly.

[00:59:31] Flew he’s getting better like he flew my ultrax a while back four batteries worth so he’s getting.

[00:59:38] Better, like I have to give him some credit. That was after I got back from wisconsin. I was like, hey, what? I didn’t crash terry’s plane, let me crash yours. And you didn’t. Well, I, I mean not crash, but we were doing silly stuff with them. Oh, that’s not crashing. Yeah, it was okay. So with that one tommy, it was completely dark out, which I don’t normally fly, completely dark- and trying to see how low we could.

[01:00:02] Stay on the ground look cool you can see the reflection of the light in the grass and I don’t.

[01:00:07] Know and I might have misjudged a couple times and got a little a little low that’s not bad went out there.

[01:00:11] Picked it up and flew it kept flying it’s not a crash oh good I’ll consider that then but anyway.

[01:00:17] So back to the sailboat that I got set up with. It was not sealed on top, like terry said, and so I was driving it, or whatever you do to those the same way, sailing it the same way as the other one, without even thinking about it, and of course I couldn’t get it back to the dock that I was on. So terry went to his neighbor’s dock. He’s like: well, here, just bring it over to me, which I couldn’t do that either, and so, yeah, one of his friends had to go out in the boat to grab it, because it was

[01:00:49] Sinking. Yes, I think it would have stayed there forever because I think it had some air trapped in the hole, but the stern of the boat was totally submerged. It’s. It’s not quite vertical, but yeah it’s.

[01:01:03] It’s a dramatic photo it got to that stage fairly quickly so I envisioned it to continue.

[01:01:11] Its progression, you and me both. Oh gosh, oops. And how deep is said pond? Oh, it would have been recoverable there. It was probably 10 feet in that section and it’s clear water, so it would have been.

[01:01:29] Found so a pond in november in wisconsin yeah that’s gotta be very comfortable yeah.

[01:01:36] Yeah well it hadn’t Ron was only gonna have to swim for a minute.

[01:01:41] Hold your breath, you’ll be okay. Yeah, but luckily it didn’t go all the way down. And then what made it even worse, though, is your friend that had done the sailing and stuff before. After we dumped the gallon of water out of it, decided to try it, and he was able to actually control it much better than I.

[01:01:59] Could make it yeah I think that’s important to point out once we dumped all the water out of it.

[01:02:03] It was fine. Well, not for long, because then the server went out and he couldn’t get. Oh, that’s right. Yeah, so I broke it. Sorry, that’s okay, I take responsibility. You did say you handed him a grenade.

[01:02:17] It certainly was not designed for the wind that he was trying to fly in and or sailing, excuse me- and I knew that it’s not as controllable as that dragon force, and so I gave you the controller, saying whoa, what do you think of this one compared to the other one, as if it were not already predetermined.

[01:02:38] You already knew the answer. I knew the answer for me, and I just wanted to see if he reached the same conclusion. Yes, I think this one sucks. I’ll go ahead and thank it for you. Yeah, so that was fun.

[01:02:50] Yeah so basically you knew he was going to sink it because you were just looking for confirmation.

[01:02:57] I, I was surprised as anyone when the stern started going here I had been on, I walked over the neighbor’s dock and I come over here, just like Ron said, and then I’m like wait a minute, is it wait? Yeah, okay, yeah.

[01:03:09] It’s it’s going under yeah quickly yeah I heard somebody say is that sinking I’m like oh god somebody.

[01:03:16] Take the controls. Yeah, but all’s well, that ends well. Yeah, yeah, and then you kept saying my buddy, but it’s aaron, we can say his name. Oh, okay, he now owns that boat, so he’s probably the happiest out of everybody that I sank it. Yeah, right, I was not aware that was also his first day of playing with sailboats and I think he was smitten. Yeah, he was okay. Well, and

[01:03:45] He said he’s done it in real life, so that gives you a little bit of an upper hand on knowing what to do? I think maybe, but he put me to shame, I don’t. You did great with the dragon force, so, yeah, well, I mean, I at least was able to control it, but he seemed to be able to get some speed and stuff out of it that I wasn’t able to do. So, yeah, yeah, well, that has to do with the rigging and tuning. Well, it was doing the exact same. It was just who was on the sticks at that point, I know. On.

[01:04:15] Mine just a small change will make a huge difference in performance and what do you have then I’ve got.

[01:04:20] A dumas houston 36. I act like or I ask like it makes any difference to me because I yeah I have no.

[01:04:25] Clue what that means. It’s 36 inch, like telling, or 36 inches okay, oh, it’s, that’s a big one. Then it’s, it’s big size. Yeah, it probably weighs 15 pounds with ballast in it. Oh, fiberglass, and you probably built it from a stack of lumber. It’s fiberglass hall. So, oh, yes, it was built from two. You got an upper deck, a lower hall and sticks. So, yeah, it was built, but it does have a fiberglass hall. Did I did? I know you had one, it was at junal. Oh, this year.

[01:05:00] Oh, do you remember that, tommy? Yeah, nice thing about mine is it’s sealed first off and you can take and lay the sail in the water and it’ll pop right back up. Oh wow, so that’s really nice.

[01:05:13] Probably that horizon one is supposed to be sealed with tape around the hatch, but ain’t nobody got time to do that every time. So anyway, I got time for that. Well, yeah, because you have to take that hatch off in order to turn it on, right? No, I did set it up with a switch. The first run of the day you got to take the hatch off to plug in the battery, but after that you can just turn the switch on and off.

[01:05:36] Yeah, mine’s set up the same. It’s got 10 screws. It takes a while to turn the boat on for the first time, but you plug it in for the day. When you’re done, you take the hatch off so that any moisture.

[01:05:46] Gets in there will evaporate. I can imagine those have to go like a month on a battery, though I mean like there’s hardly anything on there that uses. It’s two servos and a receiver. Yeah, that dragon.

[01:05:58] Force uses double-a dry cells and I’ve had it for two years now. It’s on the original batteries that were in it when I bought it, which I have no idea how old they were. Wow, yeah, wow. That is impressive. Yeah, yeah, so they’re gonna die at some point, probably in the middle of the lake.

[01:06:13] But yeah, as long as you’re the one that’s doing it and not like me, that’s okay. I would feel bad. No, but it was fun, and then I think, out of all the stuff we did that day, though, the highlight for me was the zigzag racers. Yeah, so, in anticipation of doing a little boating,

[01:06:36] I made I think zigzag there is zigzag or the boat division of hobbico okay yeah I think.

[01:06:47] Their hobby zone, which is, yeah, these are horizon. Yeah, oh, was it? No? No, so hobbico had their own, and this was not the hobbico one, this was the horizon version. They both had very similar looking boats that could turn upside down and would write themselves. So, and before you guys came over, I made some buoys out of pool noodles and some leftover copper pipe, and we did that to set up a simple.

[01:07:17] Three-point course just off the dock and I also had three of these zigzag racers which are really simple brush motor. They use a six volt speed 400 motor and originally they used a six cell or seven cell nicad but I converted them to a two cell lithium ion and they’re not incredibly fast. But man, are they maneuverable, they’re agile. Yeah, I, they’ve got to be pulling I don’t know how many g’s laterally around.

[01:07:52] To turn. It’s just insane to watch them turn. So we had three of these, which are identically set up, so they’re equal speed, and we tested that out. So basically it was stock car racing for us. We traded the transmitters around and we would. We were figuring out as we went along. At first we were just doing races outside of the cones and that worked well. But we started doing variations on that theme where we would do- how would you describe it, Ron? Where we went around a cone so we would go outside of two.

[01:08:28] Of them and then, on the third, go to the inside of it and around, oh, like a road course or like what do you call, like horse racing or something where they have to do the- yeah, like barrel racing, where you go around the course, like that. Yeah, and at first I think I proposed we do that around all three, and that was pandemonium, yeah. So then we decided we’d do that on just one and we would switch directions, so, and I think we had a- we’re basically first to complete five laps wins, yeah, and it was very loose.

[01:09:01] People were cutting buoys and it’s fine. It was the honor system, but man did. We have fun doing that? Yeah, lots of that was. That was my favorite- and hollering. And. And not only are these boats maneuverable, they’re tough too, because I know we had at least a couple full speed broadside hits and no damage that I can.

[01:09:21] Tell: yeah, there, that was impressive because there were when you’re so, when you’re not doing just an outside course and you have to go around. There was a lot of times where I was like just stopping and waiting for people to make sure I didn’t hit them, but it didn’t seem like everybody was being as careful. So there was a lot of courtesy is not expected. It’s not my boat, be different if it was, but yeah, so it was. It was a blast, though, like I said it was, it was fun because nobody had an advantage. It was the exact same setup, so it was all on skill, yeah, and at one point we made the course a little.

[01:09:57] Bit tighter because I think it was just more exciting. The boats excel at maneuverability rather than flat out speed. Yeah, so we closed it in, so we were turning more and yeah, that I agree with you. That was the most fun part of the day and we did it a few times. Oh yeah, there was. There was a bunch of different heats, yeah. So one of the boats was a little bit troublesome. It kept having the, the prop shaft, break loose. It’s just a friction fit of on the. I guess you would call it a pulley or an adapter to

[01:10:31] The motor so that one went in for repairs a couple times, but it’s working now. But based on that experience, I’m like I really need to get some backup boats if we’re going to do this more often, and maybe we can do more than three next time. So I mentioned that next to you, Ron, and next thing you had pulled up this ebay listing that had a dozen of them. So long story short, that dozen

[01:10:57] Boats is in my basement right now did they come with a stockpile of like extra batteries and parts.

[01:11:03] And stuff. No, actually I made a deal with that person because they had the stock nikad batteries and I’m sure they’re 10 years old and not that great. So I said, can I buy it without the batteries? And so that’s how we worked the deal out. So, yeah, I they all need a little bit of work, but they seem to be complete. I’ve matched up some that are ready to go, others that need to have modern radios put in them, because originally these have 27 megahertz radios and there’s only six channels that it used.

[01:11:35] Within that. So I was trying to get a variety for my own stash that didn’t have any overlapping channels. And then there’s some of them where the onboard radio gear, which is not like a receiver and a servo, it’s one printed circuit board with everything on it. So if that’s dead you just got to chuck the whole thing. Yeah, so there’s a couple that will be converting and several more that are fine. So I think the next time we pull one of these flotillas together, we can run five or six of these at the

[01:12:06] Same time and then probably have some backups as well yeah it’s gonna be fun it is.

[01:12:14] I don’t want to build it up too much, but yeah, you, you can, though, like I said I, I think the matching everything, speed wise and stuff- is what made it more fun than anything. It’s not like anybody had their own that was quicker or anything like that, so it was just very, very even, and it was all just about who could drive best or just cut the most and not get caught right. Who was the most.

[01:12:40] Devious yeah there was some aggressive racing going on too.

[01:12:46] Yeah exactly yeah no it was a bunch of fun though I appreciate the invite and being able to make.

[01:12:54] It up that was nice yeah I appreciate you making that long drive I appreciate the invite too even.

[01:12:59] Though I wasn’t able to make it. Yeah well, it’s all right, I went flying, I got my 10 flights in, so, yeah, so what’d you fly? I flew the brand new hobby, not hobby, king. What was it? Hobby zone, cessna that I bought at auction a couple weeks ago? Park zone, park, park zone. Is it a park zone? I think it’s hobby zone, I think I don’t know. Oh yeah, you guys made it to a.

[01:13:23] Swap meet yeah I didn’t yeah because you were up north don’t say you guys because I didn’t go.

[01:13:31] Well it was him and daniel oh okay and I did Reggie go and Reggie went too yeah anyway.

[01:13:38] That’s all I came home with. This was this little cessna 182 cheap, so I flew it, I did the maiden flight on it and I had my fms super cup, which is just. I’m really loving that airplane nice, especially with new tires, yes, yes. And then I had this slow ultra stick.

[01:14:00] It’s a good flying airplane does that count as a stick well it has to it says stick I mean.

[01:14:05] Called us I don’t I would not I would not consider that a traditional stick no not a traditional stick.

[01:14:10] But it is a stick. I mean it’s called a stick, it’s a form of a stick, but it’s not really a stick. I have one of those too. It’s probably more of a stick than the other ones, because it’s literally a.

[01:14:21] Stick. Yeah it is. It’s an aluminum stick. Yeah, I was ready to chuck the thing when I first got it. It’s like this thing is awful, see, but I moved the center of gravity back. Oh yeah, increased rudder.

[01:14:33] Throw and yeah now it’s tolerable yeah swap the esc with the battery mount you’ll be much happier.

[01:14:40] I haven’t done that yet. Yeah, it was very, very windy and I’ve got the flap set up in mind with the dual aileron. So it only uses one aileron for AS3X+ and yeah, it was a little overwhelming for the AS3X+ but it was interesting to fly in the wind anyway. That one handles wind surprisingly well. Yeah, and daniels was out there too, and huge difference between the two with the two ailerons working. Is it still stock? Here’s a still stock. Yeah, with even the stock CG.

[01:15:11] But we did have a really interesting visitor out the field. We got an american bald eagle, which is not very common for us to have. Yeah, not down here, it’s not really. No, I think he got blown up. We’ve had so much south wind for the last week. I think he got blown up from the st louis area.

[01:15:27] From the mississippi yeah we used to have we have them here there’s one there’s the nesting one that’s.

[01:15:31] About two miles away from here. Yeah, I mean, they’re just not super common up here, yeah, and he’s never been. We’ve never had one at the field before. I have yet to see one here. The turkey buzzards were there in for us. I had 13 or 14 of them, we counted, but then they just all disappeared, boom gone, and about two minutes later, here comes this eagle nice, and they wanted no part of that. He did a few circuits at the field and drifted off in a thermal. It was quite thermally that day, really- is that a word, I don’t know? Sure anyway. So he drifted off and he was gone for five minutes and all the turkey.

[01:16:03] Buzzards were back nice, and the pelicans were there too. They were there the day that the three of us were there, so they’re passing through right now. They were all parked down at the end of the runway, nice. They didn’t seem to want anything to do with the airplanes. We’ll just sit here, but it was a good day to fly. Yeah, yep, daniel’s big stick flew, new muffler, no difference.

[01:16:27] That’s the loudest model airplane I have ever heard. Yeah, because it sounds more like a weed eater without a muffler. I mean, it’s worse than that. It’s. I think it shakes instead of a muffler. I think they.

[01:16:38] Should call that like an amplifier, that it’s just a resonator, like. I think it would be less loud with no muffler. Well, the new one came loose in flight. We couldn’t tell the difference, okay, well, so there you go crazy. That’s a g38, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, good flying airplane. It handled the wind quite nicely.

[01:17:00] Yeah, speaking of that, like I know daniel likes those big sticks, there’s another one up at brian’s. It’s an od one. Cool what it’s od green. I’ve never seen an od green big stick. Yep, looks like the same size as the one he has. I should have taken a picture. What’s od green? Oh okay, yeah, never mind.

[01:17:22] As soon as I asked. I didn’t know. Anyway, that’s okay. So, anyway, that was my weekend. Nice, I forgot you made it for brian’s. You’re the. You’re the only one. Well, no, have you been up there this year? No, yeah, see, neither it sucks. I haven’t either. So you’re the only one that’s been up there this year.

[01:17:39] Oh we were there like in february march weren’t we okay so recently recent in the last six months.

[01:17:46] The only one that’s been up there. Yeah, Dynamic Balsa, lenore, illinois. Yeah, yeah, how have things changed? Like, is it getting more like full? It’s about the same. Oh, is it really? Yeah, because you.

[01:17:56] Can clearly tell that he’s moved some airplanes, but he’s also got airplanes to replace them, so he got another new airplane. While I was there, actually, I took the plane up there. The beast is up there for sale if anybody wants to buy it. The beast is no longer yours. It is not. That saddens me. It does me too, but like it’s just. It’s just too big for my available space. Getting it in and out of the house is by myself. Is I get a chore? Yeah, like it really is like it. I bang it on. I mean it’s just yeah.

[01:18:28] If I had a straight shot out of the back of the house it’d be different but I don’t so yeah so the.

[01:18:35] My mind just went blank what was that called the beast unbroken be unbroken that’s right.

[01:18:39] Mm-hmm. How does that normally work for that shop? I was thinking they did some stuff on consignment, but it sounds like he just bought your airplane. That’s exactly what he did, and everything.

[01:18:51] Everything that’s in the store is his I mean or is the shops he doesn’t as far as I know he doesn’t.

[01:18:56] Do consignment. I thought he had either, like there used to be one up there that belonged to somebody that he was trying to sell. But that’s like the only time I’ve ever heard that there was one hanging up, and I don’t remember what one it was, but it’s been a couple years. It was hanging up above the.

[01:19:08] Cash register oh I don’t know yeah I think it’s a hit and miss my impression is that like all of.

[01:19:14] That is the shops and I would bet he would prefer to do it that way that would be a lot easier yeah.

[01:19:18] A lot less to keep track of. But, yeah, he gave me what I feel was a fair price, probably what I would have gotten for it at a, not at a swap, swap meet. Yeah, so now it’s one less thing I have to take to toledo and one more stack of cash for true, yes, I am several steps closer to buying the turbine for.

[01:19:41] My jet nice so yeah getting close and that’s the goals now so I understand yeah I’m I’m not.

[01:19:46] Buying anything right now I’m saving for the, for the turbine. So, yeah, cool, yeah, it was a good trip- brought you back a set of plans that you apparently don’t need, so I guess I’ll still keep them, that’s.

[01:20:01] Fine it’s the set of plans for my number whatever for the 12 foot Telemaster yeah the big one so yeah.

[01:20:09] Well and he pulled yeah anyway that’s a story for another time okay I might not actually the more I.

[01:20:18] Think about it might not have the actual plans for that. You only got a partial set of plans when we picked it up and I don’t like I think when I was looking at it might not have actually been the exact, correct, correct plans for that it was close. Well, I remember there being something rolled up.

[01:20:33] And then you got with it, yeah, in the fuselage, but I don’t recall it being the actual plans. These are, I think these are the plans that airplane was built from. Oh, okay, I think, okay, well, I.

[01:20:43] Mean that’ll be good to have then. Yeah, so in case I need to scan anything or cut anything or build anything- that I hope I don’t ever have to, but we’ll see, maybe you’ll want to build another one.

[01:20:52] We’ll see how it flies next year I bet it flies a lot like the eight foot yeah.

[01:20:58] Has there ever been a bad flying Telemaster? I don’t think so. Like I like every Telemaster I’ve seen, even the small ones. They seem to fly pretty much the same. Yeah, big, lazy floaty, it’s another classic low stress. Yeah, I like our Telemaster. I’m glad it’s back at my house. I am too, to be honest. Yeah, much better taken care of out of my way. I don’t know about that. I mean I could just take it and fly it anytime I want now, instead of having to come out here and get it. I know because it is fun to fly. It is so pain to put together a little. I mean, if I’m honest, it is kind of a chore, but no worse than.

[01:21:34] A beast and that one’s gone now so what’s that mean not because it was a pain to put together that.

[01:21:42] Airplane in like a 50 cc size would be the bee’s knees yeah I still go back and forth on whether or.

[01:21:50] Not if I actually saw a decent priced 60e size if I would jump over it well I sent you a link to one.

[01:21:57] Recently but it wasn’t decent price by any it was not but he sold it did he really yeah oh my he was.

[01:22:04] Asking like a thousand dollars, wasn’t he man? Yeah, and that was just the r, so that hadn’t been put together yet. So that was. It was brand new in the box. Wow, yeah, that seems high priced to me, yeah, but

[01:22:15] I mean, I don’t know, there’s something about those older hanger 9 wood arps that I don’t. They just seem to increase in value. Yeah, if they haven’t been messed with, well, they’re not, they discontinue.

[01:22:29] Them, so you can’t get stuff for them. So I’ve only seen one of those in real life, like the 60 size one- yeah, 60 size, and in person and it’s it’s a good looking airplane, it’s a very good looking airplane.

[01:22:39] Anyway it’s about the only biplane I think I would consider and then I tell myself it’s a biplane so.

[01:22:45] That pushes it further, pushes it further. Yeah, I don’t get it. Yeah, it’s too much work. Anyway, any big plans for the winner? Terry, you got anything on your build table coming up? Oh, there was something else that you were wanting to talk about that I forgot about too: your foam cutter airplane. Yeah, I think.

[01:23:02] What I’ll do for that one. I’ll just direct people to episode 207 of rc, roundtable. You can hear all about it. Excellent episode, by the way, in the interest of time. Yeah, thank you, I don’t know the numbers. Is that the one? That’s the one came out that we recorded when you were on your way up here, okay, so you missed it by minutes. Good time, we closed it wondering if that airplane that we’ll talk about was gonna fly, okay, in the indoor venue, and I think it did. That’s one of my airplanes that you

[01:23:35] Flew right. No, oh, you didn’t fly that one. -I flew the. What was it? The? You call it a butterfly. The big vapor. Yeah, what is that called cobweb? Cobweb? I’d never heard of that before. It’s like a vapor. But if you take that and blow it up five, six times, you think, yeah, probably, yeah, I mean, it’s a cool, good size airplane. Yeah, for what it is, yeah, she’s a floater. All you got to do is like, look at it and just breathe on it. It just takes off from the ground. But yeah, no, that was a, that was a good.

[01:24:10] Flying airplane too it was fun I figured I could handle that one because you could always just run.

[01:24:14] After it and chase it, if you had to, before it hit the ground. Yeah, so yeah, you’re referring to. We haven’t named it yet, or have we? There’s been some offline chatter? No, it’s. It’s been named. I don’t remember what it is. The terry dunk tool. Yeah, I feel like this is a boaty mcboat face situation, where you ask people to name something for you and it just goes off the rails instantly.

[01:24:43] Well, I think that was perfect. Actually, that was a. That was good. Okay, because it? Because the wings look like a pterodactyl and his name is terry dunn, so somebody suggested that terry dunk tool. Yeah.

[01:24:56] Yeah with the p with the p at the front and yeah I’ll admit it’s clever but yeah I’m not in love.

[01:25:06] With it. Yeah, it didn’t tickle your fancy that much, no, but so just as a general overview, it’s a foam three-piece wing cut on your foam cutter, and then just a foam fuselage, also cut on.

[01:25:24] The foam cutter. Yeah, it was equal parts: wanting a slightly larger airplane for the indoor and also wanting to explore the capabilities of this cnc foam cutter that I got a few months ago. So between those two things, this was the result and I think it turned out pretty good. Yeah, I was really surprised. I made it at my club field a week or two before you got here, and a couple of the people that were there I said, hey, can I get one of those? And already had the programming for the cnc ready. So it was just

[01:25:57] A matter of throwing some foam on and cutting more. So I’ve cut like five or six of them now for people, including one that you took back with you. That’s correct, yeah, yeah, and then, of course, as we’re at the

[01:26:10] Fly and you’re like I should have given you another one to take to tommy right and another one for dave.

[01:26:16] But we were not going back yeah so I’m assuming this falls somewhere behind the electro streak and.

[01:26:23] Priority no this should be a quick one yeah so it should be yeah everybody’s looking at me and just.

[01:26:32] Judging the eyes. So your question was: what am I doing for the winter? I don’t really know. It looks like I’ll be fixing up about a dozen boats- nice- and I’ve got my 100 inch eindecker that I’ve been working on. I made good progress in the early summer and then something else shiny came in front of my eyes and I haven’t touched it in a few months. I need to get back on that and get it going, because

[01:27:04] A- it’s going to be a neat airplane. B- it takes up a ton of shop space, so I just need to finish it up and move on. Is that the biggest airplane you have, now that you took that giant glider? Yes,

[01:27:18] I think so yeah we’ll see who gets done first me or you all right now it’ll be you what’s that what.

[01:27:25] Tommy, I know you’re waiting on me to fix the nose. I’ll get to it. Oh no, it has nothing to do with you. Have you seen the pile of sticks in the corner there that need to be done? Yeah, about halfway done.

[01:27:34] Not always. Well, you’re farther along than I am. No, tommy took the nose and he’s putting the, the motor, in the, the torqueman, torque thing, adapter thing. Yeah, quickly for me. So yeah, I made a point of.

[01:27:47] Asking Ron when he was up here, if, now that he’s disassembled at some and he’s aware of the damage that neither one of us were aware of before, if he still felt like he made the right deal? You.

[01:28:01] Know what it’s. It’s funny because you asked me that and of course I said I’m, I’m, was still fine with it, and then, probably 20 minutes or half hour later, I was like, huh, I wonder if he was leading into: he’s not happy with the deal. Oh no, not at all. So now that, now that you brought that up everything,

[01:28:18] Okay, on your end too, oh perfect, yeah, okay, I made out like a bandit. I got two airplanes I wanted and got rid of one I wasn’t going to use, so but I felt bad when I heard you guys talking on the show about peeling the onion of this thing and you kept finding more and more things. I’m like, oh gosh, I never looked.

[01:28:36] At it that deeply I never thought anything about it. I’m actually happy to have this one, as opposed to the two that you have. So those are two that were on my list of trading out or going to a swap meet anyway. Huh, so what am I going to find in those that I don’t like? Have you flown them yet? No, they, oh, they’re great airplanes, then they’re wonderful. When I had them- I mean, which ones are we talking about? That was the oh space walker, and then the clear red one. Oh, yeah, that clear red one.

[01:29:07] Yeah that one actually did fly that one flies amazing yeah actually but it just.

[01:29:11] Actually, terry, that red, that transparent red one flies, very similar to a classic stick. Oh well, there you go. Yeah, yeah, because, Ron, let me fly that one quite a bit actually, and that one it really does fly. Well, yeah, we both like that one, it just.

[01:29:27] It wasn’t like my look what I mean? I thought it looked cool. It did look cool, but I’ve owned it and now I have known that I don’t necessarily want. I wasn’t sad to see the space walker go, but

[01:29:39] I was kind of sad to see miss vintage ago. I like that one, yeah anyway. Yeah, they’re both good airplanes. I don’t think I ever saw you fly the space walker. I think I flew it five or six times.

[01:29:52] I mean, once again, not bad flying, but it’s just like if I’m going to the field, it’s good that you call it space walker. Now, yeah, I know, I actually did. I don’t even know if I said the name, did I?

[01:30:04] That’s because I’ve been prompted several times he used to call it skywalker oh yeah that’s an easy.

[01:30:11] Mistake one time, another time, then another time, then another time. Yeah, I think that was a phoenix models one, though it was. Yeah, I don’t remember why I bought that, but I think it was a. I think it was a.

[01:30:24] Swap meet purchase I think most likely yeah because it didn’t that wasn’t part of the big the big rf.

[01:30:30] Purchase, no, no, so I’m pretty sure that came from a swap meet. Yeah, and I think that’s turnkey. I just need to bind it and go fly it. Both of them are yeah. Yeah, they both have servos and stuff. Yeah, I have no excuse, I just need to do it. So add that to my winter projects. There you go. What binding it, yeah, like.

[01:30:49] Five minutes. Yeah, no, it’s not bad. All right, cool. What about you, Ron? Now we’re not going to talk about my winter stuff. No, because my plans change all the time. I have a bathroom- I have to finish the object. I have airplanes. I want to do shiny object. I still want to finish putting the floats on the viper. That’s probably going to be higher on the list, because winter is coming and I want to fly that on snow.

[01:31:20] And then is your plan to use that on snow and water? Yes, like try it on snow, just so I don’t like dunk it in the water, but yeah, I’m hoping it turns out okay, like I’m still, I’m just staring at it, I mean.

[01:31:35] It looks it looks cool it looks right like it looks like it was made to do that so the guy at the field.

[01:31:43] That I was talking about before, that had designed the thrust vectoring nozzle for it. He posted the files to thingiverse so I have downloaded those and have those program. I haven’t ran them yet but I haven’t programmed for my- my printer, so we’ll see how that goes. Now I have to get back into figuring out how to 3d print on my printer because it’s been a while. But that will be fun and if I do that I might not have to worry too much about water rudders. Yeah, I wouldn’t think so. Yeah, thrust reversing with.

[01:32:16] Vectored thrush should be good. I think you’ll be fine. We’ll see. Time will tell. So the viper first, probably. Yeah, then what? I don’t know. Don’t put me on the spot, because it’ll change next time I talk to.

[01:32:28] You me, what about you, dave? I’m just finishing up that goldberg cub and then Reggie projects are kind of trickling in. Really, no, that’s really bizarre. I got rid of one last week, so oh, do tell, what’s Reggie having you fix now? I don’t know. He had a extra canopy for a piper pony, oh, so you got to build an airplane for it, or what. No, somebody had broken the front of the canopy off and I just had to replace it. I don’t know it was. It was an hour job. So

[01:33:08] Let’s talk about pony brave. Yeah, it’s pony brave. I just had to replace- oh, I see what she did- one half of it. Yeah, it was a nothing project. And then apparently there’s a stearman waiting for me whenever. Oh yeah, he’s been working on that for been working on that for ages, yeah, yeah. So that’s that’s hanging around out there for me and I don’t know. He’s got other stuff, I’m sure, but I wonder if he’s ever

[01:33:33] Going to finish his jet that had five minutes worth of work to do I thought that was done.

[01:33:39] The construction is done, it’s. I mean he still has to do the final setup, make sure all the control surfaces. That’s a programming issue at this point, but I mean it’s, he could probably. He could probably finish it, the programming and everything in half hour. Oh yeah, easy. He’s on the road a lot, I know, but he’s home on the weekends. You’ll fly yours first, tommy. I gotta get.

[01:34:04] An engine first, yeah, I know. So just finish covering up the cub and paint and it should be good to go cool. I’ve got a set of floats to build for it. I put the blocks and the fuse. So nice. That’s about all I’ve got that. And when to get new radio? So I’ll be spending most of the winter trying to learn how to program. That’s right, I forgot about that. That’s a buck. I’m excited for you, I think.

[01:34:31] It’ll be good to expand yeah our knowledge base I agree of things like that yeah I just found.

[01:34:38] Something on my spectrum radio over the weekend. I didn’t know. You can go positive on the dual rates instead of. I always thought 100 on dual rates was 100. You can actually go positive beyond that. Yeah, you can get positive numbers. I had no idea. Yeah, you’ve been able to do that for a while. Yeah, I had no idea. Okay, I thought when I’m descending time that was 100. I didn’t know you could go 120.

[01:35:03] You can go 150 on the I-axis. Yeah, yeah, you can go. I mean, you can go 150 on the servo travel, but I didn’t know you could do that on the dual rates as well, or is it 120? I thought one maybe I.

[01:35:13] Think it’s 120 on dual rates and 150 on travel but yeah cool see isn’t learning new things fun.

[01:35:20] Yeah about time I’m gonna throw it away but well that’s still what a dx9 yeah it’s a dx9 yeah I had.

[01:35:28] Trouble with it over the weekend. It didn’t want to switch models. Really, I don’t know what that was all about. I turned it on and off three or four times and it started behaving itself. So

[01:35:38] That would take about four hours with the ix12 kind of turn it off and on three or four times.

[01:35:45] Kind of like the time that dave got upset because his model wouldn’t buy and then he realized it wasn’t his airplane. Yes, and watch the ix12 stuff. That’s what terry flies with. Well, he knows that. He knows what I’m talking about. Yeah, I’m right there with you. Well, that’s actually that’s a good question, really quick before we get off, because it’s been a little while. So what? It’s been a little while. That’s what I just saw. Yeah, I have one transmitter for everything. You and terry also use different.

[01:36:19] Transmitters for different airplanes. Well, I have two transmitters, but I’m I’m not currently using my ix12. Well, you’re talking about switching stuff considering? Yeah, I was considering putting all my nitro stuff on the ix12 and then everything else on the on the 14, and the reason for that is like. So my ix12 is older, it’s not as new as it used to be right, so like, and nitro stuff tends to get messy, just the nature of dealing with nitro engines. So I thought, well, if I bind all my

[01:36:55] Nitro stuff to the ix12. It has all the programming I could ever need for anything that I fly. That’s nitro, and while, yes, it is kind of a kind of a pain to turn it on and an hour later it’d be able to finally fly, it’s not that bad. But I wouldn’t mind getting my ix12 messy if I could, if it would allow me to keep my ix14 new looking. Okay, that was that was the, that was the whole reason behind it. But I’m I don’t know, we’ll see. I mean, I still like the feel like the ix12, so I programmed the beast.

[01:37:32] To it, thinking maybe brian might want like a complete ready to go setup. Obviously he didn’t want the ix12, but while I was doing that I holding it in my hands was more comfortable to me than even the ix14. Right now, like it’s still to me. It’s still more comfortable than any other radio I’ve ever I’ve ever held. The 12 is interesting, but it’s just something about the way it’s balanced like the ix14 has. It’s not as big as a 20, but the 14 has a bigger screen and there’s

[01:38:05] More transmitter below my hand where I would hold it. So it feels like I’m constantly trying to and I the balance feels off. Yeah, I fly weird like I fly way up here by my I pull the transmitter way up, like if you look at pictures you can see it’s like it’s almost at my chin when I’m flying the way. The 12 is balanced, that’s comfortable, and the 14 I find that I’m sometimes like trying to still find a comfortable position to hold it. So that’s fine. I still like the ix12, I really do. I mean I like the way it feels. The resolution is fine. The link is: I’ve never had a problem with

[01:38:37] The link ever. Yeah, with that radio. So I mean it still works fine, so I’m going to hang on to it and I may- I may use it on all my nitro stuff. I still haven’t really decided yet, but

[01:38:48] Yeah I still use my 8103 every now and then because it feels really comfy yeah I get it so.

[01:38:56] So terry why do you use two or three well or seven.

[01:39:03] The origin of that goes back a little while. There was a time period when I was doing a lot of airplane reviews for magazines and back when hobbyco and horizon were separate. If you’re reviewing a hobbyco airplane, they wanted it to have a Futaba radio system in it. So I’ve always had a an up-to-date Futaba system. And same thing with hobbyco. They would want a spectrum system in there. So I always had one of each, and also I had high-tech stuff as well for the also rands, and so I automatically

[01:39:38] Have these different radio systems so I want to use them, and I have a collection of receivers, so just that alone I have enough airplanes to use all of them. So I do. Now you made fun of me, or maybe you just commented, but you were talking about. Why do you? Probably made fun of you, like that’s what he does.

[01:39:58] Lovingly. I was using my using the dx8 for my indoor stuff and the ix12 for kind of everything else spectrum. I don’t know exactly the reason for that, other than when my ix12 was new to me it was super fancy and probably the nicest radio I had. I’m like I don’t want to take this to an indoor event where there’s people stepping over stuff and like I, I’ll take my older dx8, I’ll bind that to all my indoor stuff and that way, a- I don’t have to take two transmitters and b- I’m taking my transmitter I don’t care as much about. So that was, I think, the origin of that and I just haven’t had a.

[01:40:34] Big driver to change there yet but now that my dx8 is pretty much full I’m at that threshold so we’ll see.

[01:40:43] Yeah, like, I’ll be honest, I’ve gotten used to the feel of my ix20 and that is a very comfortable radio, even though it’s bigger, like that doesn’t bother me with the actual physical size difference. And when I used your ix14, tommy, the other day, it felt not bad by any means, but just I noticed a huge difference in feel of that radio so I could get used to it. Yeah, like if that was all.

[01:41:13] I flew with. That would be fine. Yeah, I’m not saying I don’t like my. I love my ix14, yeah, but I’m still, especially now because it’s 20 channel. Yeah, well, I’m, but I’m still. I’m still trying to find that comfort zone. I think of where to where to put it when I’m flying. Well, see, with me being so.

[01:41:29] Fat it’s nice because I can just sit right on my stomach and it’s a little shelf built in I can never.

[01:41:35] Lose weight because of that now exactly yeah you have to be comfortable flying so well let me ask you.

[01:41:41] Guys because I’ve got the ix12 I have never used the android features of it is that something you.

[01:41:48] Guys have utilized. I have, but because of the speed, or lack thereof, of the of the processor in my ix12 I, I don’t use it anymore. But yeah, on the 14, I do on the 14, well, I mean. So the ix14, I will use the wi-fi, I will use the google apps. I will use a lot of that stuff to go out and find updates for the transmitter or, like the other night, I was doing some programming with it. I forget what I was.

[01:42:18] I was working on my jet and I didn’t have my phone next to me and I wanted, and I was trying to find a setting- I think I was looking up synapse stuff, I think- and I just opened up the browser right there in the transmitter and I mean, yeah, it’s not quite as fast as like as my cell phone or whatever, but it worked. It worked fine, yeah. So yeah, if it’s hooked on to wi-fi or bluetooth even.

[01:42:41] It. It does, it does pretty well, yeah, but you’re just using it to update the firmware of the transmitter, essentially, yeah. So when these, when these things first came out and they were touting all the benefits of android, we’re like: well, what is your transmitter going to become like? Your phone is no longer just a phone, it has all these other functionalities, so do they envision that sort of adaptability for your transmitter? And we didn’t know the answer. Right. And now what are we? Five?

[01:43:12] Years down the road, I would say we still don’t know the answer. I would say the answer is no. Okay, because I mean the. The reason they run that is because the airware software is built on the android base. I mean it’s it’s running the same software like an android tablet does, just for ease of them programming and stuff. I’ve used like mine to watch youtube videos before, but that’s a novelty. That’s not something that I would do every day exactly. So, having said that, I think that’s based on android is helpful for things.

[01:43:47] Like, as tommy said, wi-fi, bluetooth, being able to transfer, instantly download updates from the play store transfer files. Yeah, all that kind of stuff makes it very easy too. Yeah, like I can it, it takes me.

[01:44:03] 15 Seconds to transfer a model setup from my transmitter to Ron’s yeah and it’s easy to unpack.

[01:44:09] And install when you have it that way too. That part, like I said, just is cool, based on the android system, having all that stuff in the background, but as like using it for looking up recipes or whatnot and having it sitting on your countertop while you’re cooking. No, yeah, so an interesting thing happened.

[01:44:31] With my ix12 the other day. I went to look for firmware updates and connected to the play store and all of that and then logged out of it and because of all that, I had to change the password on my gmail account and in doing that it sent a verification to my transmitter: check your spectrum, ix12, to verify this message. Like what it’s treating it? Like a regular device like my phone or something, yeah, and I didn’t have the option of doing something else, so I had to boot up the transmitter again and confirm this message.

[01:45:08] Which I found oh, surprising, yeah. So, like I said, yeah, it works just like a, a tablet. Yeah, when you do the sign in things like I’ve- I’ve had it before- we recognize you log in from a different device, right, yeah, yeah, and it usually comes through to my phone because I think that’s the main thing I have on that account. But, yeah, you can do the same thing on the transmitter when it’s hooked up to wi-fi and stuff. It’ll go through that way. Unfortunately, the ix12 has hit end of life.

[01:45:39] For updates and stuff yeah horizon’s not going to be making any more updates for that one nope unfortunately.

[01:45:47] So it doesn’t get the AS3X+ stuff or the AS3X+ plus and all that stuff, either the new one that just came out, which is sad. Yeah, moment of silence for the ix12. I mean, really to be honest, yeah, to be honest, so that was a groundbreaking type transmitter. I mean, oh yeah, when it came out. When it came out, that was that, was it. So, yeah, I’m glad to see they came out with some that were a little bit faster and

[01:46:18] Actually usable, really, but I’m thinking about getting rid of mine. There’s no reason to hold on to it. Well, you’re not going to get much for it. Let’s, I’m going to get more than I’m going to get if it just sits in. My transmitter case is a secondary radio that I forget to charge, and when I need it I don’t have a.

[01:46:32] Charge radio that happened don’t forget to charge it well it’s right next to your other radio.

[01:46:37] Yeah, so when you charge one, charge both. Now I’ll just put one in that has double batteries. Oh for a trainer, for a trainer one. Yeah, I’ve got heck, I can even throw. I have a dx8 for that. Yes, I can.

[01:46:48] Do that too so I still have my dx8 I don’t have mine sitting over there as a I don’t have any plans.

[01:46:54] To get rid of it well I don’t either because what are you going to get 20 bucks well but I mean it’s a.

[01:46:58] Good radio still. Yeah, but mine is easy to use and so gen one’s really. That’s what’s in laurie’s airplane, that’s what’s programmed to her airplane, so it’ll never get used. Somebody check on dave.

[01:47:11] Oh, he’s, he checked out. Okay, what are you going on? This, this high-end spectrum stuff? I live in dx world, so, and getting ready to leave that, yeah, so I’m I. I got nothing to say. Well, you’ll be high-end radio, though, when you get this other one, though with features and radio, but it’s just.

[01:47:30] You guys are using not spectrum yeah and that I mean it’s what you get used to and what.

[01:47:36] You stick with so if I could make a recommendation don’t do anything with your dx9 oh no I’m gonna hang.

[01:47:44] On to that, just in case. There I’ve got some projects that I don’t want to use a higher-end radio for so cool. Oh yeah, I’m definitely not going to get rid of the dx9 until it decides to quit working. Yeah, and you never know when that could happen, I will say, with the model switching issue.

[01:48:02] It might be sooner or later that’s second gen though right that’s one of the talk scene stuff.

[01:48:07] Yeah it talks yeah so that’s still a newish radio yeah it’s it works fine I can’t do any ford programming.

[01:48:14] With it. But right that’s the big hold up. So, yeah, like I said, if you need to, you can use one of our radios just to do that and then get back out. Yeah, but like I said, slowly but surely we’re weeding.

[01:48:28] Out all the spectrum stuff see that’d be another good reason to hang on to your ix12 in case somebody.

[01:48:33] Needs to use some forward programming here you go see well you’ll have yours still so I don’t need.

[01:48:40] Mine, oh okay, maybe I don’t know, we’ll see I’m wishy-washy. I go back and forth, you do. If it’s, that’s okay, 100 bucks or whatever it is, and that’s more money for something else, it’s another airplane.

[01:48:52] It’s actually the x9, I can just throw in the flight box. I don’t even carry it in a case, it just goes in the flight box. If I break off a switch, yeah, just replace it. Yeah, yeah, no big deal if it gets knocked.

[01:49:03] Around a little bit, the screen gets a scratch in it. Yeah, but see, that’s how I am with my x22, though, like it’s a tool that I want to work, like I don’t care if it gets a scratch on it or something like that. I just see I’ve never been that way. I just as much money as we spend on these things, I try to take care of them as best as I can. I’m not saying I’m going to go throw it in sand and you don’t care if you do, but I’m not going to be upset if something accidentally happens to it, right, unless it’s really

[01:49:31] Bad thing is digging me more than anything is the rubber pads keep peeling off the back of it. I have to keep gluing those back on. Yeah, it’s like stop. Yeah, because that’s just uncomfortable. Yeah, I get it. I’m flying and my finger’s digging on it. Yeah, kind of like a scab. Yeah,

[01:49:50] Picking at that instead of flying your airplane.

[01:49:55] I don’t know maybe all right well terry you have anything else you want to ask or talk about or.

[01:50:00] Anything fun no I think I’m pretty good pretty covered a lot we did actually cover a lot yeah.

[01:50:09] This is a long episode for you guys. It is, yeah, but that’s okay. It was a well talked about episode, talked in well, whatever. Well thought, not well, it was good conversation. Thank you, that’s what I was, all right. Well then, I think until next time. Thanks everybody for listening. I’m Ron, I’m Tom, I’m dave.

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